Did you get the grant you requested on Wikimedia for your project on maps? [[User:Citypeek|Citypeek]] ([[User talk:Citypeek|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:57, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Did you get the grant you requested on Wikimedia for your project on maps? If so, can you inform us on (or just me) on the progress you make. I am very interested.[[User:Citypeek|Citypeek]] ([[User talk:Citypeek|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm here knew as Yug on several wikipedias and Commons (ex-admin on fr and commons / my wikiclic), a 23 years old french student in History and Chinese studies.
In April 2007, for my serious work in the department of Chinese studies of Bordeaux 3, I obtained a scholarship to study Chinese in Taipei, from September 2007 to may 2008.
Below is explain my previous involvements and skills helpful for wikimedia :
I was deeply involve in both Graphic organization, Chinese characters graphism, and Chinese language dictionary creation. Respectively by :
_the Graphic Labs on wikipedia.fr in 2005, wikipedia-en in 2006 and on commons in 2007. I created them, started them, and organized them widely. Since 2005, they cleaned up or created more than 1.000 images. I was also the leading contributor to set up a mapmaking standards for all Wikimeda projects. All this was part of the Commons 2.0 project, the next step planned, the idea of an active community of wikigraphists and audio-files creators on commons, which will improve and create files.
_the CJK stroke order project (CJK = China Japan Korea) is a wide project which made and provide about 1.500 free files useful to learn Chinese and CJK characters. I created this project, organized standards, and I staid 3 years the overviewer contributor. I can say the same for the Ancient Chinese character sister-project, in which a Chinese-French team provide hundreds of old Chinese characters.
_CFDICT , a free Chinese French Dictionary underconstruction since December 2006, with the help of the Deutsch HanDeDict Team ( www.chdw.de , 90.000 entries in 8 months ). I, my brother, and the chdw.de team plan to open the CFDICT website this summer. This website and my relations with french teachers of Chinese language and with wikipedians will allow us to set up promptly a good and free Chinese-French dictionary.
In addition to the disapointment of the Wikimania 2007, I leave wikipedia for several reasons, the biggest being that make an efficient work on wikipedia become every day more difficult because of the inevitable presence of people with strong will to edit, but clear lack of knowledge and mediation abilities. One other good reasons is the clear and coward lack of political aims of Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Wikipedia is now a world wide community, with clever and generous members, with millions of readers, we have and we can now act on the world, especially on unacceptable things such the American health system, tax system, and hundred other things. It is time for me to stop my involment here since I clearly want involve my energy and leadership ability in more efficient places, in real tasks, to improve the world around me.
Wikimedia should hire this guys, and buy these stuffs
en:Everaldo Coelho & his graphist team - to set up a free graphic set of images showing clear concept (eat, swimming, etc.).
A professional cartographer (who?) - to supervise professionally the creation of maps on Wikipedia
A profesional macro-photographer (Fir0002 - * - others ?) and a profesionnal graphist. To take thousand of insect's pictures in one museum (male - female - child ? - egg? in one shoot), with the good latin name and the scale ; and to clean up the pics' bacground before to uplaod them on commons.
de:HanDeDict website's team - which made a dictionary of 100.000 Chinese-Deutsch entries within 8 months.
An Encoder & en:Archivist man - hire and paid to buy Audio CD of every old artists (death before 1937, musics free of use), and who encode scientifically each of this audio CD into .ogg, and send this to commons.
All such works are too heavy to be done by one/some Wikipedian, amatory in the job, in its/their free time. According to this fact, we have to hire some professionals to do the best job possible, and to paid them.
An other solution is to buy already existing standardized materials, such :
Set of Animal's Images cleaned up - such professional photographies will be use in hundreds and hundreds articles in each Wikipedia
A graphic set of images showing clear concept (eat, swimming, a watch, etc.) - need to teach languages, to children or adults. Many children's books have 500 hundred of such pics (I have one in my hand). Buy the copyrights of such stuffs would be really interesting (3000 US$ for 500 pics ? We should buy it immediately !)
Commons 2.0
Hi Yug,
I'm sorry, but I really don't have the time to take on all the work you have been doing. I think it would be better to ask someone already involved with your projects.
But whoever you find to do it, please tell them to get in contact with me, because I think they are great projects and I want to stay up-to-date with them.
Hi Yug. I think you have started a very good initiative which is very much needed on wikipedia. While i would have been very happy to lead this project, if it was a year ago, presently i no longer have the spare time that i used to have to devote to maps and for wikipedia. I myself did mostly base maps and hoped that others would improve upon it since i did not have the time to do everything by myself. Considering that you are looking to have the guidelines in place by december, i feel it will be impossible for me to lead such an effort. Really sorry --Planemad13:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We haven't met, but I just got the message that you left me on my talkpage. I'm fairly new to commons, and was planning to help out with the map-making stuff. I think that I'll take you up on the offer to try and organize the project...we'll see if I have the skills and time that it takes.
There seems to be a bit of a rebellion/exodus from Wikipedia projects now. Its a shame that a lot of great editors are leaving the project. I can tell that you care about WP and have put in a lot of time and effort. It's a shame that we'll be loosing your skill.
If you ever decide to return, you'll have at least 1 supporter (me). In the meantime, good luck with whatever you plan on pursuing. Reuvenk13:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
www.edu.tw copyright?
Could you please try to find out if I can mirror the stroke order scans from www.edu.tw. The connection reliability is awful. Thanks! --Infofarmer10:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Re: Restore template Template:GunnMap
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Your equivalence png for zhuyin by similarities needs a diacritic over the E for the vowel sound of 也。
It should not be "e" but "ê". If that is a problem for you I can fix the png with my png editor. Patrick Edwin Moran (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Re : Map standards
Hello Sting, I will have time to involve myself again on the Map standards creation. Yesterday, I improved the overview table (I still have some ideas). Today evening, I made some clean up to the page using the "{{Summarization}}" box.
I personnaly plan to focus my effort on some points only :
continue to rethink the map division on wikimedia to improve the overview table ;
continue the page clean up using the {Summarization} box (one more evening) ;
make some proposal for colored area (translucent layers to show an area)
create some tools (templates) ;
About the overview table, I added the German position maps to show what we can finally get, but I don't clearly understand what is the place of German maps, since thay don't use Orange.
I want also notice :
as predictable, Commons being a "satellite wiki", I think the page is not enough active, only some non-french have voice their opinions ;
most people seems to wait a fully finished ;
Pro-English seems support brighter colors and the Planemad style ; in opposition with German who adopted your new proposal's soft colors and skip the orange !
...this trouble or lack of participation ead me to think that we should take a stronger leadership.
To take a stronger leadership :
we should more clearly state that your new global proposal is waiting comments and approval. We still can change some aspects. But silence will means approval.
we should now expand your proposal quickly and by ourselves, I will quickly voice some proposals.
we should make quickly arbitrary choices, we can't satisfy everyone [EN / DE&FR] in such so close proposals, we have to choice quickly to progress continously and keep everybody active.
PS: As I said before, I'm a little "out of the game", so please say me quickly if I misunderstood something.
Yug(talk)21:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC) Happy to be back to finish the work ![reply]
Hi Yug, really glad to see you´re back among us !!
I think we shouldn´t go too fast. I mean, let´s see how rolls the section about the general style and also now the one about the locator and location (geo-location) maps before initiate a discussion about thematic maps (historical, gradient, bio-diversity, etc.). If there´s not enough feedback on these first, no need to waste more energy here on other maps types.
Yes, there´s until now not much feedback here on Commons from the local WPs´ actors, specifically the WP-en one, turning it as a «satellite» page, as you wrote. It´s a pity as there´re almost only the -de, -en and -fr which are active in map creation. The WP-en continue slowly their discussion there, the contacts I had on WP-pt seem inactive... but all WPs with a Graphic Workshop where contacted...
I´m not sure forcing the acceptance of color schemes can be the solution on this page because if the local actors don´t voice their opinion here they will continue their business in their local WP without any consideration to these pages. Also, I´m not sure wanting to take any leadership in a semi-dictatorial decision about a standard, specially when I see the low rate of participation here: yes, I initiated the discussion here with a proposal, but as the end each one makes his maps the way he wants, regarding the energy it requires to establish a color scheme that could pretend turn a common standard and knowing how many other thematic schemes have still to be set, I´m loosing my faith.
One month now since that proposal was made, and very low results: the Germans gave feedback but took already inspiration of the -fr standard before; the English stay in their local WP; we don´t even speak about the other ones... I´m almost ready (I gave myself one month) to close the discussions here and continue it maybe (maybe not ?) on WP-fr. Too much energy put (wasted ?) trying to set standards and too few maps created and articles written... Maybe Sémhur´s proposition to use the «snowball effect» with WP-fr as core is the best way to handle this. The Franco-German bound seems also to carry high potential. That´s good, at least.
Ok, you are the boss :], I answeredthere, I was thinking about this issue the four last days, and I'm happy to see that we share the same opinion: the German idea is good, and the German team make a really constructive work, both helpfull and full of initiative ! Great. I'm surprised/astonished by their goodwill, map abilities, and initiatives, we will have to increase collaboration with them.
For the future of the project, I agree that we will need a "snowball effect", that's what my strong initiative policy proposal aimed to start : first say to people that we choice THAT (mid-dictatorial way), then they will react voicing their opinions, and we can and have to listen them. That's when I started to show support to the German style that Seav, and 2(?) other English graphist came to voice their opinions.
Anyway, personally, I have ideas for historical maps, (et je trépigne d'impatience !), but you are right : « First learn to walk, after only try to run. ». Accordingly, I will follow your advices and correct my involvement: I already made some little corrections to concentrate the talks on the general, locator, and geolocation maps styles, I will continue.
Hi. I'm not sure you understood well what I was trying to say: I'm starting to be really tired of all of this because of the low participation and think strongly to disconnect myself from these discussions here. After closing properly the case on WP-fr, I'll simply continue to make maps the way I like. It's as simple as that. Sting (talk) 16:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oui, le projet Greenspun me fait aussi doucement rigoler, même si je trouve ça bien triste. J'imagine la tête que doit faire ce mécène...
Une bonne nouvelle tout de même pour les didacticiels puisque en:User:JaneVannin a décidé de les traduire en anglais. Pour l'instant, un seul d'entre eux est terminé. J'espère qu'elle aura le courage de tous les faire.
If you want input from more users, why not use MediaWiki:Watchlist-details? I'm not sure it works on Commons, but on English Wikipedia it was quite useful to gather a lot of users when a standardization of templates was discussed.
I've been trying to make sense of the COM:SOP and was wondering if you could shed some light on it. I know that you've left the project, but I'd really appreciate it if you could help me understand where the project stood when you left.
It asks users not to contribute to the kanji since there are still issues under discussion. Did that discussion come to a conclusion and where did it take place?
(unclear. Not yet answered)
Did that discussion center/touch on the issue of where Japanese users should upload their images to without sources to verify the simplified Chinese form?
(question not understood.)
SVG conversion: What is the status on the vector images and animations? I found Commons:CJK stroke order/SVG and the Category:Animated SVG but I'm still not sure about the details of the work already done.
Closed. 1. Health trouble: I planed to create 214 SVG radicals in Automn 2007. But my girlfirend get health trouble, which -combine to my studies and personnal situation-, all these combined pressure then also cause me some health trouble in November 2007. I tryed hard to keep this project in mind and moving, but my situation was really bad, and, eventually, my situation becoming worse, I had to withdrawed from many [all?] my free projects. 2. Wenlin were faster, better: I also discovered that the famous Wenlin institute had, actually, already the idea and made the ~40 strokes ->> 214 radicals ->> 50.000 characters (!!!!) in such good SVG, easy to animate, and easy to update since using fully SVG function such as embedding the strokes to create a radical, embedding the radicals to create a characters : you change the shape of a stroke, the change immediatly appear on all characters ! 3. No more free time: if all was fine, I had enough free time in Automn 2007. But all was far to be fine. Now, I don't have time to relaunch myself in a such time-consuming project, knowing that professionals (wenlin) already did it, and this project remembering to me that bad time, I haven't anymore the will to restart this task. 4. Currently: closed. Currently, the Commons:CJK stroke order/SVG is close because no one is working on it. I made the ~40 strokes, and some radicals (about 10), but no more, and don't plan to do more soon.
I understand that you may not have the time to answer these questions. I do appreciate the enormous amount of time and effort you've already put into this.
Thanks for your reply. Regarding the kanji issue: The project currently doesn't support users who wants to upload a stroke order image for a Japanese character very well. Unless they have access to information about the simplified and/or traditional Chinese characters they can upload them to the Japanese variant filename, but that risks duplicating work. It seems we need some sort of infrastructure to organise which stroke orders have been validated for various things. There is a page on the simplified Chinese, but its scope doesn't extend to Japanese.
I'm going to think about this some more. I mentioned one idea to Wikic. We should probably move discussion to the project talk page. --Swift (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your big thanks! :) Let me answer your questions, generating map was quite difficult to me. I learned from here and many other websites. I spent 1~2 hours generating the map, but shorter time is needed when making small map such as Korean Peninsula.(10 mins?) I still have not .xcf but .ai(for adobe illustrator) file. if you want to download it, let me know your e-mail address.:) --KSiOM(Talk)21:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Does regional and sub-nationals maps should be include in NATIONAL atlas ? Make this clean up is a personnal opinion which I sincerely think better, include regional map is also according to an opinion. There is no disrespect, wiki is build edit after edit, talk after talk. For the moment, nothing show that your solution is better than mine. Regards, Yug(talk)14:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have contributed greatly to the atlas. The atlas was not set up for someone like you to make arbitrary "personal opinion" decisions as to editing the content. Look at other country entries and you'll see regional, etc maps - Costa Rica doesn't have as many because of the limited amount of entries (so far). So again - I am telling you NOT to remove maps from the atlas (or bring it up on the talk page). Thank you. Rarelibra (talk) 14:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You are not "telling you NOT to remove maps from the atlas", you are explaining me, simply and for the first time, the way to work. = Accepted.
I don't care how you look at it - don't start going around doing "your own thing" according to your "personal opinion" and not expect to have someone tell you NOT to do it. Cheers. Rarelibra (talk) 14:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are free to don't care how I look at that, and free to send orders to other wiki volunteers. Other volunteers will react and request missing explanations (like I did), and you will lost time. Yes, that's your freedom, and that's my freedom to react and ask explanations.
Or you can care about, and send a 3 lines notifications like you finally did in your 2nd post. This will end the talk within 2 mins.
Do as you want for next cases. For our it's finish.
Merci pour ta correction, je vais sûrement en apporter d'autres prochainement sur les couleurs (un petit filet de dégradés pour rendre le tout plus réaliste) dès que le demandeur aura donné son avis sur l'avancement actuel du travail. Karta24 (talk) 07:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merci pour tes compliments et pour ta proposition de participation au projet Greenspun, qui me tente vraiment. Mais j'ai un peu du mal à m'y retrouver dans le projet et beaucoup de questions me traversent l'esprit: Qui peut prendre en charge des illustrations (n'importe qui? un contributeur quelconque, un professionnel de l'image? quel est le niveau de compétences nécessaire?)? Comment proposer sa participation et comment participer? Je te serais très reconnaissant de m'éclairer sur le sujet, même si je sais que tes contributions se font plus rares. A bientôt j'espère... Karta24 (talk) 14:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Qui: Tout le monde peu prendre une requete en charge.
Niv.: avoir le niveau de faire du bon travail, voir ton instincteur et la Category:Philip Greenspun illustration project, tous bien construit, mais qui ne sont pas nécéssairement hallucinant. Sting, walké, Sémhur, et quelques autres ont déjà fait chacun quelques images de ce niveau.
Prendre une requetes:
1. sur jira, choisir une requetes unassigned (facile...),
I noticed when you added it to the template, and yes, it did gave it increasing visibility and usage. Thank you :)
I have in my mind various upgrades already, however I can't really tell when will anything get done.
1. Automatic upload is something I have in mind, and I will see to have it done eventually. Thanks for pointing me to Luxo's tools, if possible, I will use his code.
2. Memory: Having a translation memory is easy on my part, however it would require that translators specify the target language beforehand, which some people may not like to do.
3. Correction of a SVG is already possible, as when you translate, you can "translate" to the same language. Simply change the word, save the SVG and you have the corrected SVG.
(By the way, when you don't type in a word, the original word remains used; is it obvious, or should I add that somewhere? Should perhaps SVGTranslate have documentation somewhere on Commons?)
For the rest:
Better design is fine, but what I'd really like to add is the ability to view SVG in one half of your screen while you are editing it in the other half.
Keeping score is only possible after the automatic upload. If you're interested, I could get you usage statistics until now. If you want to check if a specific file is translated with it, you can try opening the file and looking at its source - SVGTranslate adds a signature at the end.
Ok for your projects ! (Automatic upload, Memory, Correction = GREAT !)
Design is just a small issue (a style), the idea of an instant preview is interesting. The "signature" in the end of the SVG may also be helpful for later.
New idea: submit propostions of SVG to translate: if you still have the list of all SVG already translate, it may be interesting to publish them to notify "HERE A TRANSLATABLE SVG". Even better : when a user make a EN->ES translation, you may submit him the names of SVGs which were already translate from EN->FR (and not into spanish).
Conventions: I also encourage you to propose the suffixes *-en.svg , *-de.svg, etc to your users. So yes, a little documentation on commons should be welcome. Notice me if you start a page.
Statistic to get support: I encourage you to share/publish your statistic of usage. In my personal opinion, the boss(s) of wikimedia underestimate the graphic issue, and the possibilities of development, especially for SVG , map conventions , tutorials creation and translations. So yes: publish your statistics to show them how your tool is use... when such initiative get a correct support and visibility.
97 /Jan/
84 /Feb/
110 /Mar/
34 /Apr/
19 /May/
171 /Jun/
229 /Jul/
266 /Aug/
the 29 may : I added more visibility.
These are the numbers of times when someone clicked on "Submit Translation", but I can not know if a translation was actually uploaded somewhere. Nikola (talk) 06:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deux problèmes à signaler sur cette image que tu as modifiée:
> Blanc de l'œil décalé sur le svg affiché par Firefox
> Yeux, bouche et nez disparus sur le png de 30px (cfr ce modèle)
Salut Karta ! Je rame, je n'aurais peut etre pas du uploadé mon travail. En SVG c'est améliorable et pas trop mal, mais le rendu sur wikimedia est vraiment .... décevant. T'aurais pas des idées ? d'où vient cette disparition bizarre de certaines parties ? Yug(talk)15:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ce n'est qu'un petit détail, mais j'ai remarqué que sur mon template, tu avais remplacé le bandeau {{Graphic Lab|fr}} par l'ancien {{Atelier graphique}}, je pensais qu'il fallait utiliser le premier pour uniformiser les templates des différents graphic labs des wikis... non? Karta24 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Oups, je viens seulement de voir ta réponse à Image:Noia 64 apps emacs.svg (je passe assez rarement sur mes pages de Commons), je vais y jeter un œil dès que possible ;)
Ah oui aussi, si tu as un peu de temps et surtout l'envie de t'y lancer, est-ce que tu pourrais donner ton avis sur la discussion que j'ai avec Dereckson sur l'upload par dessus l'original des images retouchées? Merci beaucoup. Karta24 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
First of all welcome as a nominator at COM:VIC. I hope you will enjoy nominating images there.
Secondly; you do not have to do this when withdrawing a nomination. Just let it stay there, as there is a procedure for closure to be followed, which properly removes the candidate in a correct closed state, all assisted by VICbot. I will undo the edit now. This is just to tell you why I do that. Cheers, -- Slaunger (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Valued Image Promotion
★Your nomination has been reviewed and promoted★ Congratulations! The image you nominated was reviewed and has now been promoted as a valued image. It is considered to be the most valued image on Commons within the scope: Hogna radiata (Adult Female).. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Valued images candidates.
Comment It fails VI criterion 5 regarding Geocoding. Fix that and you have my support. I do not really get this thing about the perception of an photographs of an animal being considered as more encyclopedic when photographed on a white background. I realize this is a preference among some users on Wikipedias for these types of shots, but for me an animal picture is more valuable when it is in contact with its normal habitat and interacts with that. The scale on the sheets is useful though. I suggest you add more numbers on it (5 and 10 mm). -- Slaunger (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hm...well. Yug, is it correct that this individual was found at some location, and placed on this sheet of yours in sunlight, whereafter you took the photo? If that is so, it is not a studio shot in my opinion. The reason why I would like a geocode is that there can be regional variances in how species of living organisms look. I agree the background in non-place-related, but the subject may be (but I do not know). Just to compare with another VI with neutral background like this Image:Abludomelita obtusata.jpg. This is not geocoded either, but there are two good reasons: (1) the specimen was sampled somewhere on the Belgian continental shelf at sea (the exact location is unknown), and (2) it is truly a studio shot. If this image is truly a studio shot, I would like to have that stated more clearly on the image page, and if my assumption about how it was made is right, I think that should be stated as well on the image page along with a location. -- Slaunger (talk) 06:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The image's page description note « took in the South West of France », I was by this time traveling in a 200x200km area (en:Aquitaine). If I remember well, I picked up this subject in en:Marmande ( Coordinates: 44°30′05″N 0°09′58″E ), so I should past {location dms|44|30|05|N|0|09|58|E|heading:WSW} (isn't it ? what is the WSW ?). The picture being then took in Bayonne, 200km southward. Yug(talk)08:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added the location you specified (it pops up in Marmande). The WSW is a heading (the direction the camera was pointing at towards the subject). The heading is irrelevant in this case, so I have omitted it. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I had to use some time to get it right. I may not be the brightest individual, but I do not think I am the dumbest either. I cannot see any harm in future version of the sheet to also add 5, 10, and 15 mm on the scale. It will only make it clearer. Anyway that is just a suggestion. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment one last thing, which I noticed while editing the image page: Please provide the date you took the image in the date field. The date field refers the reader to inspect the date of upload, and I am not convinced that is the date of creation. Unfortunately the EXIF data are not there (why not, did the fr wikigrapists remove it?). Else, I would have added it myself. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date: 5 september 2008 : added. Category : created. Author vote forbidden: ok, noticed. I didn't seen that you reverted my vote the 1st time. Sorry. Yug(talk)14:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for uploading Image:French_peasans_in_their_biotop.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.
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Source for map?
First of all, thanks for alerting me about the graphics lab! The pictures look great. Now for something I must bother you about:
Recently someone added this map to the article on Tang Dynasty. I noticed on the page for this image that there is not a proper source listed as to where these boundaries were discerned, i.e. a scholarly book or journal, preferably published by a university press. Do you remember exactly which source you used to create these borders in the map? Thanks.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Really simple : the Cambridge history of China, vol 6(?), Chap "Tang Taizong: The consolidator". I will add this information and [maybe] recreate the map in a better SVG version in the next months. Regards. Yug(talk)18:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image rename
Sorry that I hadn't yet seen your latest comments on my talk page when I added my latest comments to Village Pump; however, user talk-page comments are not instantaneously-received real-time communication -- and your edits to my Village Pump comments were still "sunbstantive", and I still would have objected to them... AnonMoos (talk) 15:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't understood well your purposes. I'm intersted mainly to write articles about our life project in italian Wikipedia and I think that pictures and diagrams are very important for give help to users. But I'm a bad photographer. I enjoy painting with Gimp and Inkscape so, when I cannot take a photo I try to draw an image to improve contents of my articles. I'm very busy in it.wiki project because I'm a writer and sysop, so I can offer very small time in Commons. If I can help for something I try to do my part but it's too hard in that moment. Greetings --gian_d (talk) 00:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
About SVGs, I think it's very important choosing light colors as green and yellow, which are not hard to read. But it isn't easy choose a good color in foreground to get an enough contrast: red lines are not good because they aren't in contrast with yellow and green, black or dark blue are better but there is the problem that they confuse with drawing lines in the pictures.
Your macro scale is a good idea, so I think to use it in the future: p.a., yesterdays I've loaded a drawing of Image:Bocydium globulare.jpg, a small treehopper very curious. Drawing and macros are not useful without a scale: people can think that this treehopper are big insect, but it's very small and it isn't longer than 4 mm!
Another idea could be to load also original works in GIMP format structured with layers: see the difference between the Image:Bocydium globulare.jpg and Image:Bocydium globulare.xcf. The first is the final work, resized and with some filter applied, but it isn't good to improve it. The second is not a good file because has a bad layout and it is not supported by Web browsers, but other users can begin from it to improve the draw. Are you agree? greetings --gian_d (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
.xcf VS .jpg with history : I technically agree, but encourage user to work in xcf and to upload both .jpg and .xcf will not work. People contribute mainly to see their work quickly available. The old layout is not interesting for them, they will not waste time to provide them. Keep an xcf duplicata is not convenient enough. The best would be that Wikipedia (ImageMagic) understand .xcf, that's not the case.
SVG: yeap, I'm aware of this color issue. I think the best way is to pick up colors from previous good SVG, by example those from user:LadyofHats.
Macro: yeap, the scale is need. If you make some try, say me is it difficult for you to print an SVG ? should I provide a PDF instead of the current SVG ? are the dots soft enough ? etc. Each comments is helpful.
After, my opinion is that we have enough "free photographies" (free view, natural background) on wikipedia. But we also should have some technical photography => neutral white/black background + good view + scale , which them can allow accurate descriptions/recognition.
NB: I can add the scale myself to an image if you state the body's size of a pictured insect.
So, yeap, I agree, but we are limited in our technological tools. Afterwhat, I will try to do my best to provide helpful tutorial and "SVG tool boxes". We will see that in the next 6 months ;) Yug(talk)19:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The reason in the case of the character map is that it is simply factually inaccurate - usage of Chinese characters for writing Mongolian was no more than marginal, by no means as significant as in Vietnam. There may exist some documents of Mongolian language written in Chinese characters (I personally know only of the Secret History of the Mongols, whose transcription into Chinese characters was most likely only done during the compilation of the official history of the Yuan Dynasty, i.e. after 1368), but the usual system for writing Mongolian has always been the so-called Uighur script, which is not related to Chinese characters.
My motive with that Greater China Map is more NPOV. I am aware that there may be no really clear-cut definition, but certainly at least most Mongolians would react quite strongly to being included in a "Chinese World". Also I wonder what is the basis for including Mongolia, but not, say, Nepal or Laos or Burma or countries with a large population of overseas Chinese like Malaysia or Indonesia. Yaan (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be interested in localising the information so that they'd be more easily updated. Are these links that you'd specifically like to have in their current form on your user sub-pages? I'm going to copy those that I reckon might be useful to the sources page, but wanted to ask you if you wanted to were interested in having a hand in the process and even replace the links on your sub-pages with a reference to the SOP sources page, rather than having duplicate reference pages in several places.
I noticed you had User:Yug/Sources deleted. I found a few of the many links on that page interesting, though not necessarily of all that much value for this project. Was the content on this page really redundant? Might it be worth while to ask an admin to temporarily restore the page or just send me the page contents? --Swift (talk) 17:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1. the Taiwanese ministery website ; 2. no need website for japan, since the rule is "follow logic and for unclear cases do as you want" ; 3. the Mainland order is widely display on the web, I though that the Commons:Stroke Order Project/Sources page already have its favorite mainland source.
The page have been delete by Túrelio , you are free to ask him to restore the page, and to move the page to your user space. Yug(talk)17:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Yug, sorry that my French is not good enough to write to you in that language; i have also my troubles in English, but I want to tell you:
You made really fine svg-pictures of Chinese calligraphy; they would be even better if you correct 2 small items.
At Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 03-en.svg it might be better to write "beginner" instead of "begginer" - it is wrong that way twice.
At Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 02-en.svg the looking of the seal image (at the foot of the seal) should be seen as from a mirror.
This may be a lot of work to do in SVG.
Much easier will be to write "foot" instead of "feet", if you agree that this is more correct.
=> "Traditionally, Chinese calligraphy is written in columns from left to right"
=> "The main text is in one particular style, while the stamp area often uses an ancient style (such as Xiaozhuan) with writing in smaller characters."
=> "A red signature stamp appears at the end of the page." =>> DECLINED, I had kept "A red stamp end the page", since : 1. I'm limited in space ; 2. the "stamp=signature" is explain in the "Stamp area" notice.
Hi Yug, if you write "A red stamp ends the page", it will fit into the space and will follow the English rule that requires an "s" in that case for verbs in 3rd person. It means the same as e.g. "A red stamp is ending the page" but fits better into your space.
Salut,
Comme tu n'as pas donné de nouvelles sur l'Atelier graphique pour l'importation, j'ai uploadé l'image modifiée sous le nom "Dorcus parallelipipedus 6views", j'espère que ça te convient, sinon fais-moi signe ;) Ah oui, et si tu pouvais peut-être étoffer la description du fichier (licence sinon suppression, légende, catégories, etc...) ce serait cool, merci :) Karta24 (talk) 17:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Still looking for help??
Yug, mon ami, I have been away from Wikipedia for many months, and I see that you posted a request on my Talk page: User_talk:MapMaster#Historical_map_review_need. Do you still need help?
Hey, no problem. I just wondered if we had some JS tool somewhere that by mistake would notify the last person who edited the page, instead of the last uploader. Lupo15:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The former structure was to put every thing in -order.gif (including character which are only found in Japan, Vietnam, etc), and then duplicata with a 2nd specific stroke order in their need place : -torder.gif, or -jorder.gif .
If you have change this strategy, big sorry, I was not aware.
Some check point statements:
I stopped to work on the SO project also because we have NOT the tools to manage a such database : 1. renaming, uploading, deletion stay frankly difficult and time consuming (and that got worse with time -___- ); 2. a protected table write by an identifiable 'expert' is need to confirm or deny the existence of a specific stroke order, 3. and this table should also state the existence/absence of all need files on commons.
The Wenlin institute have done, in SVG format, the cuting of 50.000 characters, since assisted by specially coded programs helping to do so. This SVG may easely produce ALL the stroke order project just by some few scripts. In sum: they are Gods, and we are a bunch courageous cuty Cockroach ;__;
Just, for fun, I still plan/hope to work on the SVG project, for the radicals... but nothing is sure, since It's a complex work to be done in a strickly coded style, by one trustable user alone,... and that I'm frankly tired -___-
After some input from the Village Pump I decided to change the setup a bit, putting all variants up at their own name or a redirect to a shared character. As long as the character has that simplified stroke order, there's no problem.
I had already become aware of the limitations of managing a wiki based database of these images (thank god Commons:Rename is coming soon to an admin near you). I'd actually considered constructing an off-Commons interface to handle these. For now, I'm just trying to organise the existing content. For verification, I was inspired by the stroke order code in the Kangxi radical progress lists. None of it is guaranteed, but this is a wiki after all.
I had also found mentions of the Wenlin software, but it doesn't run natively on Linux so I haven't actually seen their images. I also assume that they don't have the Japanese styles. Would you recommend officially retiring or freezing part of the project?
The project still has useful content (you guys did some really great work). The kana have complete sets of BW images and the bopomofo are nearly complete in both BW and red gradients. I started my work here largely for the sake of the b:Japanese wikibook. It is still very basic so there is no need for a complete set of characters. Confirming which of the existing characters have proper Japanese orders should provide us with a nice starter set. Editing images with slight variations shouldn't be too difficult, either. --Swift (talk) 03:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Interest: Yes, sure, the commons PNG-gif SO project stay interesting for wikipedia, but is definitively limited (no tools->no time ; + no trustable).
Limiting the scope: I would recommend to limit the work on the radicals ONLY (bw;order;red) [+ then the 1000 most used characters ONLY (bw)].
Afterwhat->SVG?: Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, no way: we have to switch to SVG, embeded SVG technology, protected table databases, and leave commons to work on our own PC (files easy to edit & rename, not vandalisable work).
If I remember well, the only way to make a good/perfect work is ONE USER ALONE converting the full set of radicals into strokes based SVG. But I will rethink this SVG project Sunday [=I have free time sunday]: a clear tutorial may [maybe] allow a collaboration with other trusted users.
"Trustable": Do you have concerns about this beyond how dependable wikis are?
Limiting the scope: I'll pass this on. Is there a reason for the 1000 character cutoff? Is that just an arbitrary number to limit the scope to something manageable?
"Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, no way": Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.
SVG: Right now, I'm currently just interested in organisation and accessibility of the available content (largely for the wikibook). I do, however, fully support the push for SVGs. About two and a half years back when I was playing around with SVGs, I looked into making stroke order graphics, but got sidetracked before getting anywhere. I was especially interested in the idea of creating a semi-automatic system to generate these graphics files.
What is it about the work that makes it a single-contributor task? I would think that with SVGs it should be even less of a problem than with the bitmapped formats. For better or worse, I doubt there will be too many demanding to share the burden.
Reliable: Yeap, the reliable issue is a concern for me. (I have wiki-grow up :] )
1.000 ?: the radicals say almost EVERY THINGS on stroke order. But, in case, lets go for the 1000 first too (M4RC0 already done 1.300, there are just some holes)
English: "Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, [we have] no [other] way [that] to go on other technologies (SVG....)"
SVG alone: ALL the SVGs will have to be correctly coded to allow later script convertions. This ask that only trustable users work on this project, with an leader to check one by one the code of the files. Previously, I was the only one able + wishing to do so. Moreover, collaboration may request more time consuming talks that the help that will provide. -> I will likely have to work alone.
SVG database : I will also think about an new database, probably such as :
It is nice to see you back to this family. I have not been active as I used to be since I would have to work hard to get a seat of bachelor's degree. However, I would like to give you assistance if you request any. Just send me email if you want. Do put it down and relax if you think it makes you suffocate. Best wishes, Chanueting (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, you could notice that I am not as active as I used to be. I do want to put down our projects on Commons. However, I still could not find one to continue our works. Well, relax! Do what you like, put effort on some wiki projects if and only if you are out of work. We should spend more time outdoor instead of sitting in front of the stupid machines. Get out of time killing wiki works! There are many beautiful things at our sides. Happy Lunar New Year. Chanueting (talk) 14:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I have read the site you have shown me. However, the site seems not to be release copyright as CC licenses instead of a questionnaire. I would like to send the official a mail to inquire the license the department is using. Chanueting (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You mean, select the six most commonly used characters in the Chinese language and google them? Really? Neither this nor that gave me much better results.
Sorry for bothering you with seemingly trivial questions. Given how much work you put into this project, I figured you might have weighed a few different options when deciding on which source to use for the list. Positively identifying the source would be difficult as lists may contain errors and aren't static. Rather than waste time duplicating your work, I thought it best to ask you first. No worries. It's not a big deal. --Swift (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed the to-do list you added to the project talk page. Do you have a particular reason why you placed it there rather than add it to the Commons:Stroke Order Project/Roadmap?
My preference for the roadmap is that it has its own talk page for discussion about specific items. Simple to-do lists tend to be terse and useful only for those who know what they are about. As there are a lot of things to be done on this project, I feel they deserve a full page onto themselves.
I've added a few items that you mentioned on the road-map. I left out:
Gamy's images: They will get deleted in due course.
That's not the project progression, so that can be separate. But that can be together too. I no more the main user on the SO project, so feel free to do what you think best. Moreover, I often edit too quickly, without being aware of new pages you create. i.e., for this case, I was aware of the roadmap page, but had never read it completely. Looking at it again, I notice that you already have include such "maintenance/correction" tasks. Sorry for my mistake. don't hesitate to revert me.
I still think a todo list should appear in the project main talkpage. It may be interesting to divide the road maps into "Important key points and <noinclude>all other points</noinclude>", which will allow to use the road map page as a todo template to display in the main talk page.
Don't hesitate to revers me directly when you notice a misleading edit I did.
Actually it wasn't hanja I wanted to contribute to, but actually Hangeul characters. I was wanting to do some animated images showing the stroke order. As far as Hanja, I assume it's the same stroke order as traditional(old style) Chinese no? I'm half Korean btw, not full but I've been here in Korea studying. My project is at http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/ and I figured I could contribute to the stroke order project as well, as long as I feel I can make the images as good as the other people.
Hey Yug, I made an image for a Korean character, but it's probably not up to the Stroke Order Project standards yet, so I was hoping you could let me know how to better improve it so that I might submit some characters in the future.
http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Giuk_stroke.gif
Please reply on my page. I have already asked Swift to do the same.
Thanks for your reply. I am currently talking to Micheletb right now and trying to get some advice from him on how to make mine better and more suitable for the project. It's pretty sad two sections for images for Hiragana and Katakana are done, yet theirs only 1 character done for Hangeul. Somebody's gotta do it right? So I guess that's another reason why i'd like to contribute once I get my images looking better.
Also about the reply from the professor, this week was finals week for them, so I should get a reply in the next few days hopefully. I'll keep you up to date. Bluesoju (talk) 09:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Yug
I think what you're doing is really great. It can be very useful to know a foriegn language, even if you only know a tiny bit. Keep up the good work
Fireandearth (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the support... I still try to get some collaborators: I fill pretty lonely on this project.~ You encouragements are welcome ! Yug(talk)20:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please compare PNG (rendered with Inkscape) and SVG version. Just below big lake in center, there is a mountain range - хребет Азутау. Letter spacing is different in PNG (as in Inkscape) and SVG (in Firefox there is not letter spacing, also this text is not rendered in preview in commons). Thank you --Mikhail2009 (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for fixing its size, I have no idea why Illustrator makes it so huge. As you noticed I've also reorganised and added several other symbols (Channels and mountain passes). Though there might be a little problem here now, the words are broken into separate letters, and it'll be impossible to drag and edit them later. And in general the whole file is just a complete frustration for me, I can't figure out why while I am using the same fonts, they actually turn out different (Pacific ocean and Тихий океан). Several symbols just won't stay in their places and jump around (city marks, Jewish buildings symbol). --Ahnode (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The last (bottom) stroke in the top radical in the kana for "sa" in the svg is highlighted red. That is incorrect
"te" also has a problem: the length of the descending left stroke between the horizontal strokes are highlighted red. This is also incorrect. Can you amend the svg, upload, replace, delete the links to the files in the corresponding articles (wikipedia and anywhere else), and copypasta? Thanks.174.3.103.3904:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The image Chinese_calligraphy_scheme_03-en.svg contains an error. It says that characters are written in columns from left to right. It should be right to left. Asoer (talk) 04:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I noticed that you are progressing animations, vector animations and that these are preferred. I have GIMP but am only a novice user. I am wanting to create animations for Tibetan letters and ligatures and maybe words. I would appreciate any advice you may give me because I am flying blind.
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BD is only in France and Belgium I think. In Italy they are fumetto, Germany has its own comic-culture too (I think), but its not that important. I don't know whats the Situation in Spain. Maybe you should only tag France, Belgium and Italy. Greetings --Don-kun (talk) 10:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! There are two incorrect stroke orders in the image. メ and ヲ. The correct stroke order is [1] and [2]. It would be grateful if you could upload an image with correct strokes. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Bonjour Yug, may be you can help. Chanueting is asking me something but I do not understand him; it seems he dislikes the assignement of traditional radicals to a counting system — but may be as well he wants something else. I would like to help & satisfy him, but first I need to check what he wants really. Can you understand his problem? -- sarang♥사랑16:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Map of Canada
Hello. Could you please have a look at this article? The map shows the red dot in the wrong place. Its supposed to be within Canada. You may verify via Google Earth. I thought you may need to know since you contributed to the image. Kind regards. Rehman(+)10:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Bonjour Yug, Je te propose de voir ensemble les quelques améliorations à apporter à ton set.
Texte inclus dans les images : j'ai repéré des coquilles, mais pour te les signaler de façon commode, pourrais-tu ouvrir une page de brouillon et y verser le texte inclus dans chacune des image ? Tout compris : les titres, les légendes, les commentaires.
Liens Done : il y a des liens inopérants ou ne menant pas au contenu attendu dans la partie "source", cf. par exemple les liens n°1 et 4 des sources image pour File:East Asian calligraphy scheme 04-en.svg
Categorisation Done : il faudrait créer la Category:East Asian calligraphy tools (NB : la catégorie en rouge de tes images comporte une coquille, elle est au singulier et il la faudrait au pluriel comme ici proposé), puis y verser tes images (et les autres images de Commons pouvant entrer dans cette nouvelle catégorie), tout en retirant les catégories devenant redondantes. Je te donnerai ici aussi un coup de main au besoin.
J'ai changé une des catégories parentes de la nouvelle Category:East Asian calligraphy tools => Category:Calligraphy of East Asia au lieu de Category:Chinese calligraphy. Remarque : je pense qu'il ne faudrait pas insérer la partie "Four Treasures of the Study - labeled SVG diagrams" dans le texte de la page de catégorie elle-même. Pour la clarté de la navigation et de la recherche, mieux vaut ne pas mélanger ainsi catégories et galeries. De plus, la page présentant cette série y est bien signalée et facilement accessible. Par ailleurs, je vais sans doute te soumettre quelques images à verser dans la nouvelle catégorie.
Pour les coquilles, je vais voir ce que je peux faire (soit te les signaler une par une, soit tester Inkscape que je ne connais pas), mais j'aurais bien aimé faire relire à la fin par un contributeur de langue maternelle anglaise aussi. En tout cas, je vais regarder. --Myrabella (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sur ma PDD dans fr:WP, tu trouveras les remarques d'Azurfrog, que j'avais sollicité :-) Je t'en signale une en particulier : "Les appeler East Asian calligraphy tools est en effet trop large : j'aurais dit Chinese-based calligraphy tools" => plus de détails sur ma PDD française. (A suivre !) --Myrabella (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Je te propose de fermer cette nomination pour le moment, le temps de voir les remarques de Yug et les coquilles, quand tu seras dispo (j'espère que tout se passe bien pour toi en cette période d'exams ! Je te souhaite le meilleur). Tu pourras la renommer bien sûr, peut-être avec le "scope" proposé par Azurforg, mais je suppose que cela mérite discussion. --Myrabella (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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所 stroke order broken
Hi Yug,
Thanks for your tireless work on stroke order!
Your recent upload/correction to File:所-bw.png appears to be broken – the file does not render for me:
: From what I remember , 所 (specifically) use 戶 in both mainland (Simp) and Taiwan (trad). But I haven't immediate access to mainland's standard. With 戶, the stroke order is VERY LIKELY Pie-Pie-Hengzhe-Heng
: M4RC0 was working based on Japanese sources (see image on the right所-jbw.png), and there, Japanese may use 户. With 户, the stroke order is VERY LIKELY DIAN-Hengzhe-Heng-PIE.
OIC – that makes sense (M4RC0 confused Japanese stroke order with Chinese form). Thanks for fixing this, and your explanation – I’ve included both your images at English Wiktionary: 所!
However, a redirect was left behind, so if someone requests the (Chinese) stroke order, they are given the Japanese one, and may be mislead. (This is a problem on Wiktionary b/c if a stroke order file exists, we assume it is accurate. No crisis – I’ve the static Japanese order, and animated Chinese one, but this is a little confusing w/o the static Chinese one.)
If it’s not too much trouble, perhaps you could either:
create a correct File:美-bw.png (hopefully easy for you – I’m no expert on creating these stroke order images), or
The Chinese stroke order had the vertical stroke after the second horizontal stroke, but Japanese style had it after the first horizontal stroke. --Tomchiukc (talk) 06:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Biodiversity Photo Hyla Meridionalis
Hello M. Yug,
My name is Rita Neves.
I work in Câmara Municipal de Lisboa, that is a Public Organism in Portugal.
Actually, we are working on a road book of Biodiversity of Lisbon, for which we are going to produce a panel and a brochure. We found your photos on Wikimedia Commons and liked specially one of them very much, so we would like to know if you could allow us to use your photos, for free, to publish on this project, knowing that the brochure of will be for free distribution to everyone.
The photo, on Public Domain, we would like to use are the following:
The brochure will have four brackets.
- Broochura a pocket to take the route
- A brochure to present the day of inauguration
- Schedules for species identification
- Panels that will be fixed in the Land
As i said the Free Access will be everything :)
We like to refer your name in the bibliografy but we need to know what´s the name you want on the bibliography? Yug?
If it´s possible please respond to ritasoraia2001 for hotmail com or rita.neves for cm-lisboa pt
Hello! I'm developing a web application for teaching learning to read/write Chinese. Your stroke order SVG is exactly what I need (though I'm converting to XAML) for a drawing tool. I'm curious if you are planning to put out an update any time soon, and if not, how you would like me to contribute back any modifications I will need to make.
Also, I'm making one xaml per radical, do you know what the best way to make them available, I was thinking I would just make them available for download with a reference back to your project.
I was just cleaning up some of the Chinese character animations, and noted an old category, the morder files. There were only two of these, both created by you, namely:
I assume “m” stands for “modern”, but AFAIK, the standard we’re using is that order (by itself) means “modern”, so there is no need for a morder category. Traditional stroke orders use torder, so if there are two orders (modern and traditional), they should be order + torder. There is also an aorder for alternative orders that are not just modern or traditional.
I have thus moved the morder files to aorder because I don’t know exactly where they should go; the files are now order + aorder (rather than order + morder).
If the morder files should instead be the default (and the current order files are instead the traditional order), we could move these as aorder → order, order → torder.
For your reference, here’s what we currently have:
學 Order: 學 Aorder:
問 Order: 問 Aorder:
Options:
Does it look ok as it is?
…or should I move aorder to order and order to torder?
…or maybe switch order to aorder and aorder to order?
Morder is the application of Mordern rules to traditional graphs. That's NOT a standards, that's when main china people write traditionnal characters, that's a mislading, but sometimes seen practice. Accordingly, aorder is, yes, better. Thanks for your initiative ;) Yug(talk)13:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OIC – thanks for explaining (and for making these), and no problem!
(I’ve added a note on the pages of these animations to explain this.)
Hi, there are several people myself included who would really find regional maps of these very useful. The problem is the projection, being close to the pole. I wondered if you could make some maps of these?80.3.26.5412:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ShareMap
Hello,
thanks for your advices I really appreciate people
ShareMap principles:
Static schematic maps and interactive maps at once. I observed my behavior - when I see on wikipedia or travel blog schematic map and I am interested in it I try to recreate such route on Google Maps to get more details about surrounding areas etc. It takes time. For example look at Pony Express map - it took long time for me to recreate Pony Express trail based on this historical map. On commons page you can click ShareMap link to navigate and zoom same route on interactive map. This part of project is ready and can be used on wikipedia
Creation of map animations, there is no good tool to create educational map animations in simple manner. The problem with wikipedia is that there is no good animation standard that can be used. Flash is not allowed on wikipedia as closed standard, PNG animations are obsolete and HTML5 animation are still at early phase. Example of such animation - creation of roman roads netword, timeframe 1000 years. (not ready yet)
Overlaying topographic and allowing user to georeference interesting points and recreate map in vector format. For example if user want to create wikiarticle - Quseir narrow gauge mining railwaysthis map will be very useful for him. (work in progress, will be completed soon)
Business model in short words:
ShareMap page is and will remain free for those who wants to publish on Creative Commons license
ShareMap page eventually may introduce paid service for people who wants to develop maps and embeed into their pages on proptriery license.
ShareMap page eventually may introduce ads on pages (but not on maps!) to handle server costs
ShareMap page will include donation option.
ShareMapLib which is core of ShareMap service can be licensed to be used in commercial projects (and now this is main source of revenue that finaces free section)
Relation with OpenStreetMaps:
We are working on mechanism that will allow runtime importing tracks and shapes from OSM
ShareMap goal is not designed to be global mapping solution like OSM, however in the future it may be used to create complete OSM-like maps for historical data. At some point maybe Mapnik renderer will be used. Currently I am working on creation map of Warsaw street plan for year 1939, (basing on printed plan) (Warsaw was completly destroyed during WWII so street grid is totally different today) - overlaying street old grid on top of new grid (rendered by OSM) seeems to be interesting.
ShareMap can be used to things unsuitable for OSM - historical map, animated maps. For examaple we thing that if you are going to create now dismatled New York defunct tramway network map, ShareMap will be suitable tool.
Relation with Natural Earth
Natural Earth is amazing data source of gis data on public domain license
SHP files it is rather difficault for begginers -
Some data from NE is already imported to ShareMap library (country borders in two scales)
In future more data will be imported - rivers, lakes
You are right that currently there are few graphical functions - the software is still in beta
Thanks for informations about discussion group, I will join it and ask community for suggestions. Waiting for your comments - if your prefer write at contactsharemap.org.
Hi, thanks for your reply - at this moment my business model is rather stable. What I need now is feedback from community - when you will have more time please write me an email.
contactsharemap.org.
--ShareMap (talk) 10:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you are right, that raster shaded relief is a good background for thematic and historic maps - I will examine how to create tiles with mercator projection using this software.
When I get tiles (like OSM tiles) integration with ShareMap.org will be very simple.
I think that you can add NORTAD dataset to your gis list - it has very good coverago of Mexico, US and canada railways and waterways. And it is published on license compatibile with Wiki Commons (US public domain). For experiments I imported NORTAD Canadian and Mexican railway routes into ShareMap and it looks very coverage. In some places coverage is better than OSM.
Hi I will be glad if you can give some more advices about generation of tiles for shaded relief. I think I have to avoid any desktop programs (like Gimp) and use only console one - then I will be able to run everything not on my personal computer but on the high performance server. Can you write me in short word as experienced in creating shaded relief
Which dataset I should download (ETOPO1 Bedrock?)
Which tool I should use to render relief (I think gdaldem)
Do you know how can I replace GIMP with ImageMagick command?
How can I result on multiple zoom level from 256x256 to 4096x4096 and split in tiles?
« L'archange cartographe est toujours là » !! LOL !! Merci, merci !! :D
Plus sérieusement, je suis là sans vraiment y être : vraiment pas beaucoup de temps à consacrer à WP en ce moment. J'en ai juste profité pour mettre à jour certaines cartes avec le Soudan du Sud parce que c'était assez rapide à faire mais je n'aurai pas le temps au moins durant le mois à venir de faire un travail plus en profondeur : cartes de géoloc de France, mieux voir ce que tu « trames » en GIS, voir ce qu'il en est de ShareMap... J'ai juste jeté un œil très très rapide sur ce dernier site, pas de quoi bien comprendre de quoi il en retourne exactement et me faire une opinion, donc j'attendrai d'avoir le temps pour me faire une idée et répondre au message que son auteur m'a laissé. Idem pour tes tutos avec QGIS : sur ce coup tu m'as devancé ! GRASS ne m'effraye pas, il m'énerve ! Donc il me semblait aussi judicieux de passer à un autre soft : QGIS qui semble avoir bien évolué ou peut-être aussi le récent SAGA GIS (mais qui ne tourne pas sur Mac). Mais encore une fois, je n'ai pas eu le temps de les installer et tester. Et par-dessus cela, un paragraphe GIS dans l'article cartographie que tu m'as demandé... il y a bien longtemps !!
Bref, je ne suis pas encore perdu pour la communauté, même si je suis peu actif par manque de temps !
Je serai aussi en France, en novembre-décembre, entre autres à Paris. Ce sera peut-être l'occasion de nous rencontrer !
Can you tell me how you solve in QGis depression/water problem. I see that you commented depression from color map. The problem is visible for example at Aral Sea area (which are mostly depressions without water, but some part of lake contains water)
Bonjour Yug, je vois que tu postules au Projet Phoebus, se dont je te remercie. Il y a une somme colossale de travail et donc tu serras bienvenu. Je vois que tu fais de bonnes photos et que tu es familier de COMMONS. L'idéal serait d'être toulousain... --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:33, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Je suis à Bayonne, j'espère passer dans l'année sur Toulouse, sourtout s'il est possible d'avoir un canapé sur lequel dormir. J'avais encouragé à monter des projets similaires dès 2006-2007 (insectes, musés d'anthomologies), mais celà n'avait pas pris. Je pense que le projet Phoebus gagnerait à ajouter quelques méthodes, comme la photographie sur fond milimétré, ou la création de Macro studio. Voir Commons:Macro. A bientot, et merci pour votre initiative de qualité ! Yug(talk)16:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Macro encyclo tools
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Ton éloignement géographique est un problème. Nous cherchons des partenaires locaux qui pourront avoir les compétences photographiques, et la connaissance de COMMONS. Les conditions de prise de vues sont difficiles, il faut amener son matériel. Il faut aussi qu’un conservateur soit présent avec toi pour manipuler les objets. Nous avons plusieurs candidats pour la rentrée.
Par contre il semble possible de faire une opération ponctuelle comme celle qui avait été faite pour la préhistoire, avec la minéralogie. Il faudrait pour être « utile » faire 2 à 3 jours de saisi non stop. Tout cela doit être prévu à l'avance. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I noticed you are very active as a map maker, so maybe you can help me out. I found on the web a global relief map overlay for Nasa World Wind [3]. The standard map making colours are used. It would be ideal for basic map use. So I contacted the author asking if it was in the public domain. He answered with "It isn't public domain, but it is free for non-commercial use. Please include a small, non-obtrusive caption on the images 'Courtesy PanglossTech.com' and a link to http://www.panglosstech.com/ in the citations of your page. The wording is flexible, but this should give you the idea".
I don't know much about licensing, but I thought maybe he's willing to release it for wikipedia maps. I'd like to ask him again, but I don't know what would be best to ask. Any idea? Machinarium (talk) 20:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia sadly don't accept "Non-commercial license". I also complain about this situation. If the creator just want citation, then the CC-by-sa is perfect, it allow both non-profit and for profit usage, but force citation. Also, for-profit entities usually don't dare to share their sources, so they most of the time prefer to avoid CC-by-sa items. Your contact should thus not be worry of for-profit reutilisation, that should almost not happen. Yug(talk)13:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Noté pour les cartes, c'est génial de voir que mon travail est étendu ! :D
Quelques notes :
Pour apprendre la Cartographie sous Inkscape : file:Tutorial-cartography (basic).svg (anglais comprehensible) avec des exercices inclus. Durée : 2 heures de lecture. Commentaires bien venus.
Inkscape > F2 : outil de manipulation des noeuds, creuses sont utilisation, cela permet déformer les lignes (frontières) ou de les cadres (légende) sans changer la largeur des bordures.
Frontières: Les frontières suivents généralement (toujours ?) les montagnes est rivières, le Bassin du Sichuan était donc très, très probablement 100% Qin,
Localisateur (rouge, sur le globe): auraient du être modifiés, avec Inkscape > F2.
Fleuves: a. cours modifiés (Huang He), bien vue ! b. Il semble que le Yangzi ait un bug.
Tu as très bien sourcé, impécable : )
Je prends note de ta suppression des villes actuelles (Shanghai), j'avais hésité.
Effectivement quelques réajustements de frontières s'imposent : le Qin de la fin des Royaumes combattants dominait tout le Bassin du Sichuan mais aussi les territoires à l'intérieur de la boucle du Huang He. Je corrigerai cela une fois que j'aurais plus de cartes à ma disposition, en sachant que je vais aussi modifier celle des Printemps et Automnes (pour y faire figurer le royaume du Yue qui est très important à la fin de la période). Pour ce qui est des villes modernes, je les ai supprimées pour faire moins lourd, mais c'est un choix critiquable (du point de vue didactique c'est toujours bien de laisser les villes modernes majeures). Sinon je voulais savoir si le fond de carte topographique est disponible en plus large (pour d'autres périodes de l'histoire chinoise) ; si jamais tu as repéré de bonne cartes topographiques vierges de la Chine sur Commons se serait sympa de me les indiquer. Zunkir (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Salut Zunkir,
J'ai créé ce fond à 100%, c'est grace à des fichiers GIS topographique, ça aide, mais cela reste un gros travail artisanal. Cette carte est en projection lat-long (les méridiens sont parallèles), la projection la plus simple. Je souhaite faire d'autres vues, mais la question est délicate. Pour de plus grands espaces, cette projection est très déformante et feraient apparaitres certains espaces bien plus grands qu'ils ne sont. Les vues plus grandes demandent donc à passer à des projections complexes pour limiter ces effets de déformations, et je n'ai pas encore d'idée clair sur la projection à employé, ni comment "reprojeter" avec en:QGIS. C'est un petit travail de recherche (Quel projection, quelle formule?). Puis un travail de cartographie : maitriser la reprojection sous QGIS (reprojection) ; puis créer la carte SVG (vectorisation). J'ignore tout simplement quand je m'y remettrais avec succès. Pour l'instant, il y a déjà de quoi faire une petite série avec ce fond de carte ; )
Ok, je dois avouer que les détails techniques me dépassent, généralement je me limite au travail sur les frontières et la localisation des villes. Ce fond de carte est très bien, il me servira si jamais un jour je suis en mesure d'avoir le temps de m'attaquer à la refonte des articles sur les dynasties Han et Tang. Sinon je ne suis pas parisien, ni spécialisé dans les études chinoises (je ne parle pas cette langue, ce qui me limite forcément dans les contributions sur le sujet), j'ai juste choisi de transposer mon expérience sur les articles du Proche-Orient ancien (ma "spécialité" à l'époque de mes études d'histoire) pour quelques articles sur l'histoire de la Chine ancienne qui est un sujet que j'apprécie particulièrement et qui manque de contributeurs sur le WP francophone. Zunkir (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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If you insist that showing the +50 seats is important I have no objection but you must have noticed that the file is being used in multiple pages in multiple projects. Having the image change and not correspond to the color legends below it, is confusing and desruptive. If you want upload it in a new file and change it individually in whichever page you want, updating the legend accordingly.--Ferengi (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but please leave the original version available. It is a valid file and in the Greek Wikipedia users complained when they saw the +50 version and actually completely removed the image. I have no time to embark in editwarring with them, so either upload your version under a new title, or upload the old version under a new title. We need both versions. Thanks. --Ferengi (talk) 17:43, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ajout de sources
Bonjour. Si tu fais référence aux cartes sur l'histoire ancienne de la Chine, celles qui présentent les frontières et les localisations des anciens États sont sourcées. En revanche celles avec les sites archéologiques ne le sont pas, mais il me semble que ce n'est pas vraiment problématique si ce n'est pas sourcé. Zunkir (talk) 10:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
SVG problems
qie3 moreover
I just made a character image myself and loaded it onto Commons. Now I will see whether I can download it and get it to work on my own computer. You might try the same experiment if you have time.
Thanks.Patrick Edwin Moran (talk) 01:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting! Firefox does not download the file properly, but Safari does downlod it properly.
Thanks for your reply. I probably will not contribute SVG pix. I will possibly use some of them on my four-sided flashcard system and website, but I don't have time to work on even all my own projects. (http://www.china-learn.info/)
H. radiata does not occur in Kasten's key for spiders of the U.S. The Wikipedia article on genus Hogna says radiata is limited to Central Europe to Central Asia and Central Africa. So something growing in North Carolina could not be H. radiata.
Your first H. radiata photo shows a sort of series of rings rather like the yellow and black rings on many wasps and honey bees. See: http://ednieuw.home.xs4all.nl/Spiders/Lycosidae/Lycosidae.htm as this author is probably the best authority on European and Australian spiders with photos on-line. H. radiate is much larger than H. carolinensis, which is the largest wolf spider found in the U.S.
The spider I have identified as an immature H. carolinensis was put in that category for two reasons. One is that its "venter," i.e. the underside of the abdomen, and the underside of the rest of the spider were all solid black. The other reason is that spiders change in coloration as they make molt after molt. H. carolinensis should have a pretty solid black abdomen, and this spider does not. It might be a specimen of another Hogna species, frondicola, that I have seen around here and that has something like your spider's banded abdomen. On the other hand, the Bugguide.net picture of H. frondicola does not resemble either of my spiders very much. Maybe I misidentified the H. frondicula on the basis of a photo I found on-line somewhere that was itself mislabeled. The troubles are (1) that there can be considerable variation in the coloration of some spiders of the same species, and (2) there is no way to tell, off hand, which photos alleged to be authoritative are really correct. On top of that, the Wikipedia article on Hogna shows about three dozen species of Hogna... To make a solid identification you sometimes have to get a microscopic view of the sexual organs of the spiders, and maybe measure and count a bunch of other things that are hard to see on a living spider.
Yug5.jpg is, I think you now know, not a wolf spider but a Huntsman spider ....
like this one.
When I was visiting in Osaka I noticed a huge spider sitting on the upper left corner of a shop window. I approached it and it did not move. I took a pencil from my pocket and touched the eraser tip to the center of the window. The spider shot forth in a straight-line, no pause, attack on my pencil. I was so surprised that I jumped away. So the spider missed my pencil. I considered what might have happened if I had touched my finger down on the window. I went inside the shop and bought a soft drink so that I could get a cup to catch the spider in, but when I went back outside the spider had disappeared. When I got back to the U.S. I caught a similar spider when I was teaching in Arizona. I took it to the biology department at the university and they identified it as an Olios species, a kind of huntsman that is rather less easy to get along with than your spider, which is probably Heteropoda venatoria. I was amazed by the one in Japan because it was the only spider I had ever had "attack" me in all the years I have been playing with them. I bought a couple specimens and kept them until they both died of old age. They were always very unaggressive. They only wanted to get away from me. So, since H. venatoria is also the (non-native) kind that has become fairly common in Japan, I had to conclude that the "attacking" spider on the shop window had just made a prey mistake. (I remember that the sun was intense on that day. Probably the spider could see only the tip of the pencil and thought it was a fly.)
File:Hogna radiata (AF)-top 01.png
I believe our thinking about Wikipedia politics and some people with ego issues is the same. Sometimes people can be really nasty and I have to use what I have learned of mental coordination from 孟子 and the Daoists and the Zen Buddhists and the martial arts to keep from losing my temper. Somebody who is a good sociologist should make a study of power in the politics of Wikipedia. It should be very interesting. How do you get a reasonable process going in a rather anarchic domain? Some people have a kind of power that derives from their always being responsible and objective. Keeping one's ego out of interactions can be challenging, but it seems to be necessary. Here there is a great promise for availability of educational resources all over the world. I think back to the 1950s when I was trying to understand physics but living in a farm community near the geographical center of the U.S. and finding some books that were accurate and some that were pretty horrible--but they didn't come labeled. The amazing thing to me, and it probably should not be amazing, is that the really good physicists like Einstein and Heisenberg can write about the very difficult things and never unintentionally make a reader draw false inferences. Then there was, for me, the wonderful One, Two, Three...Infinity by George Gamow, a physicist who even cared to try to write for his son and for other young people. Patrick Edwin Moran (talk) 23:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Gallery
Oh, long answer.
Sections' s titles:Whenever you write such long answer, I encourage you to add section titles with bold, as I did. That help the reading for both me and you when you will come back read it in 2 weeks.
Short: or/and keep short messages. We have plenty of things to do here, I'm leading efforts on the Wikipedia Cartographic fields, studying, working. While its fun to read long stories, I can't do so, so longer messages risk to not get fully read. ~
ACC images: ok, feel free to reuse our SVG or the source ! there are thousands of bitmap glyphs in Richard Sears' website, and he is pretty ok to let's people make a personal use of them.
Shooted in France, Yug — suspected H. Radiata A.F. (adult female)
Shooted in France, Yug — suspected H. Radiata A.F.
Shooted in ???, Patrick — suspected H. Carolinensis I.M.
Shooted in ???, Patrick — suspected H. Carolinensis I.M.
Spider — Japan/Taiwan: it seems we have in common some time spent in the Japanese geological archipel, since Yug5 was indeed shot in Taiwan. The shoot is sadly quite unencyclopedic. The Spider was SO big —about 30cm wide thanks to its legs—, than I was not allowed to manipulate it and put it in a correct position.
Shooted in Taiwan, Yug
???
Last: if you are retired and have enough money to do so, then look for a Digital Camera doing good macro-photographies. Mine was 500US$, it's limits for still correct work was on sunny days and >1cm long insects. Can't go below. Changeable lens camera body (starting at 500 US$) can host macro lens (starting about 500 US$) which allow to push toward smaller subject, and better images. This (1000$) was not in my budget for an 'out of workdays hobbies'. But your case may be different ;)
Hi, Yug!
I've uploaded updated world map (BlankMap-World6.svg) via link that you suggested, but still do not see it on the file page.
Do I need to do anything else? Thnx! (Konstantin Burov)
Canuckguy, I can't update the description but the changes are as following: cleansed inkscape related tags so the file now passes W3G SVG validation, converted all relative coordinates into absolute so the file is parsable by the nugsl-worldmap script again. Fixed version of the script is available at Bitbucket. --Konstantin Burov (talk) 09:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Roman Empire map
Hi Yug,
Unfortunately I lost the svg file of the Roman Empire map when I switched to my new computer 4 months ago. I thought I saved it somewhere on a memory stick, but I can't find it. I'm sorry, perhaps I will remake the map from scratch in the coming weeks. However I see there's a problem with the wiki svg renderer. I can't upload a proper svg for my general map of Romania either: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Romania_general_map-en.svg
From the article you showed me I understand that it's fine if I use the Lambert azimuthal equal-area projection for European general maps. Do you think I should change the projection?
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The version you uploaded has 1 glyph missing (U+2E9A), it became a box with "2E9A" inside. Please check or revert to the old version.--Tomchiukc (talk) 18:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for uploading File:India orthographic projection (2013 test).svg. I notice that the file page either doesn't contain enough information about the license or it contains contradictory information about the license, so the copyright status is unclear.
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Did you get the grant you requested on Wikimedia for your project on maps? If so, can you inform us on (or just me) on the progress you make. I am very interested.Citypeek (talk) 06:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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