Commons:Deletion requests/File:Takasakiseikyoukai3.JPG
An infringement of the right of likeness, and not permitted to upload the files to Wikimedia Commons by the administrator(priest) of the church. And the Author Tsubasabbs permits it deleted from Wkimedia Commons. Kinno Angel (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC) His permission to delete is here.--Kinno Angel (talk) 17:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Delete 依頼者票 at my request --Tsubasabbs (talk) 21:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Additionaly, Tsubasabbs in his talk page [1] [2] declared his files must be used only in Wikipedia and non-profit purpose. He seems to reject our policy after several explanations.--Kinori (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Keep I see no reason to delete this. Although it is not in use, it is an interesting photograph and of good quality. There is no likeness to infringe -- you cannot recognize the priest, whose face is obscured by the cross. The image was correctly licensed when originally uploaded. The talk page comment is irrelevant -- he can say whatever he likes on his talk page without affecting the license on the images he uploaded. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
- Keep A Keep vote was cast. I agree to the opinion of this person.--Tsubasabbs (talk) 21:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Kept Jcb (talk) 22:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
In Japanese law, if one wants to put a picture to the public, permission of the persons who are taken in the picture is always necessary. And in Japanese law, it is neccssary to get permission of owner of the church when one wants to put photos to the public place. In Japan, Christians are very few(only 1% among state), so it is easy recognize persons. Not only infringement of the right of likeness, but also problem of PRIVACY. Tsubasabbs did not get the permission to put the pictures to worldwide public space as GFDL which can be used in also commercial usage. Kinno Angel (talk) 00:03, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Grave Japanese law problem. (First) It is necessary to get permission of the owner of the church (or any building, including public museum) when one wants to photo of inner place to the public. (Second) Infringement of the right of likeness. (Third) PRIVACY. In Japan, Christians are very few(1% among the state), and Orthodox Christians are most few(0.01%). (Permission NOT granted) Any permission to put the photo to worldwide public place is not granted to Tsubasabbs.--Kinno Angel (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
- Let's take these objections one at a time.
- The first, that it is necessary to get permission of the church is not our problem. Our explicit policy is that we ignore such rules, that any such rules are between the photographer and the institution.
- The second, infringement of right of likeness. There is nothing at Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people about Japan. Perhaps there should be, but the priest is not identifiable. Note that the test here is not "can his brother identify him", but "could a third party who doesn't know him pick his photograph out of a group."
- The third, privacy, is, I think, the same as the second.
- Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
- Delete User:Tsubasabbs says in talkpage@jawiki that he/she doesn't permit this picture for commercial usage ([3] in Japanese), and this statement has not been cancelled. So, GFDL & CC-BY-SA licenses seem to be untrue. I think that materials that cannot be used commecially has no room in commons.--Jkr2255 (talk) 05:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
- Translation of "画像の件について申し上げますが、勝手に（本来の目的以外）に使用したり無断で改変したりすることは一切認めません！それゆえ著作権は放棄しませんが、ウィキペディア内においては皆様に自由に使って頂けるように設定しました。営利・商用目的または本来の目的以外に用いられることは一切認めませんが、人類の英知のために皆様の編集されたページにて資料として用いて頂けるのであれば喜びこの上ありません。" from Tsubasabbs's talk page (19 Jan. 2011 15:12, UTC) below.
- "I will say about the pictures here; I will never permit the pictures used freely without for rightful purpose, and never permit any change without notice! So I do not renounce copyright, but permit the pictures used freely in only wikipedia. I never permit the pictures used for commercials or any other purpose without rightful purpose, but I am very glad if the pictures used in pages which you edit for wisdom of human kind."
- See, Tsubasabbs does not understand any license of Commons. Some users have pointed out him about it several times, but he has not understood, and recently, he has not answered these pointing. It is a reason of doubt on his saying "got permission".--Kinno Angel (talk) 12:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- First, what Tsubasabbs may have said on his WP:JP talk page means absolutely nothing with respect to an image licensed properly by him on Commons.
- Second, even if it did have some relevance, he has clearly repudiated his WP:EN talk page statement in his two postings above.
- Third, even if he had not repudiated the statement, the fact that he has licensed this image for use on Commons is irrevocable. As I set forth above, no other permission is necessary for use here. It does not matter to us whether the priest or the church gave permission or not. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:47, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Excuse me, but whose WP:EN talk page did you mean? There is no page as en:user talk:Tsubasabbs. --mizusumashi 14:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I meant WP:JP -- I've corrected it above. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 22:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you! --mizusumashi 14:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I meant WP:JP -- I've corrected it above. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 22:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Excuse me, but whose WP:EN talk page did you mean? There is no page as en:user talk:Tsubasabbs. --mizusumashi 14:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Excuse me, for my honour.
- "it was forced from Kinno-Angel in an discussion with him in my talk-page." That is not true. He requested me to delete quickly these files. Mizusumashi pointed out that it is inappropriate discredit to Kinno Angel, and recommended correction, but he rejected to correct. His behaviour brought on much criticism by not only me but also many users on jawp (ja:Wikipedia:コメント依頼/Tsubasabbs20110223, ja:利用者‐会話:Tsubasabbs).--Kinno Angel (talk) 10:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- Mizusumashi pointed out my misconception in jawp. He told that not many users but no users pointed out his behaviour on ja:Wikipedia:コメント依頼/Tsubasabbs20110223. I agreed and apologize to Tsubasabbs and Users of Commons. And Mizusumashi pointed out on ja:利用者‐会話:Tsubasabbs "not many" too, but on this point, I do not agree. Certainly, it was an ambiguous expression. Three users pointed out his behaviour on Tsubasabbs's talk page, and his abusive words about me have brought his block.--Kinno Angel (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- Delete I cast a Keep vote once, but cancel it. There is the reason that you must delete by all means for Kinno-Angel. I lost his passion. I want to respect his opinion this time.--Tsubasabbs (talk) 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Deleted, We have a longstanding precedent that we allow the deletion of images if the uploader indicates that he or she was in error (either due to language issues or misunderstanding or at-the-time unknown non-copyright restrictions). Since the image was just uploaded in January and is not in use in any project, I think it best if we go ahead and delete it -- with the caution to Tsubasabbs to be more cautious in the future. Powers (talk) 20:21, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
