Senate Standing Committee on Judiciary
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So I see we have two authors here. Assemblymember Jones Sawyer. I know the Lakers trial is a little later on this afternoon and you're hoping to make it so. Okay, why don't we go ahead and begin as a subcommittee? Let me make some preliminary announcements here. We're going to come to order.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
File item number 25, AB 2037 by Assemblymember Papan has been pulled from the hearing today and will reset for our hearing on July 2. File item number 26, AB 2388 by Assemblymember Joe Patterson has been removed from the consent calendar due to late opposition will be heard today.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Let me announce now the 15 bills that are on the consent calendar. File item number four, AB 2885 by Assemblymember Bauer Kahan. File item number five, AB 2154 by Assemblymember Berman. File item number eight, AB 2337 by Assemblymember Dixon with amendments, file number nine, AB 3004, by Assemblymember Mike Fong.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
File item number 11, AB 1849, by Assemblymember Grayson. File 14 ABC 1575, by Assemblymember Erwin. File number 15, AB 20114 by Assemblymember Erwin. File item number 18, AB 3282 by assembly member, excuse me, by the Judiciary Committee. File item number 19, AB 3083, by semi Member Lackey.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
File item number 21, AB 2248 by Assemblymember Maienschein with amendments, file item number 24, AB 2998 by Assemblymember McKinner with amendments, file item number 30, AB 2759 by Assemblymember Petrie Norris with amendments, file item number 31, AB 1788 by Assemblymember Quirk Silva with amendments. And finally, file item number 32, AB 2948 by Assemblymember Ramos.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, some preliminary instructions. We're going to follow the same protocol that we normally do. So what we'll do is we'll have the author present and then we'll take support. There'll be two witnesses. If you choose to have two witnesses, each of them will be afforded two minutes. Then we will have support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
If you're in support, you approach the microphone, give us your name, your affiliation, and your position. We'll do the same thing with opposition. Opposition will have two minutes for each of the two witnesses, if they choose to have two witnesses, and then we'll take those who are opposed.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
They can approach the microphone, provide their name, their affiliation, and their position. So with further ado, we do not have a quorum, but we are going to proceed as a subcommittee. So, Assemblymember Jones Sawyer, if you would like to go first, followed by filem number one, AB 1905, by Senator Addis, who is here. Senator Jones Sawyer.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Floor is yours.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair and members. And I want to thank my fellow assembly members for allowing someone to go forward, especially since I have my surgery in two days, and so it's really good for me to get off my feet.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
Today, I proudly present Assembly Bill 3089, the California Apology Act, for the perpetration of gross human rights violations and crimes against humanity, with special consideration for African slaves and their descendants. First, I would like to thank the Chair and committee staff for working with me on this bill and confirm that I will be accepting the amendments, the committee amendments.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
A bit of background on the bill. In 2020, the California created the first in the nation state level task force to study and develop reparations proposals was a special consideration for African Americans. I had the privilege of sitting on that task force with one of your colleagues, Senator Stephen Bradford.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
For more than two years, the nine-member task force heard countless hours of testimony and received thousands of pages of documents from state agencies, historians, economists, businesses, attorneys, professors, families of former slave owners, and the descendants of slaves and sharecroppers.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
Based on that testimony and documentation, the task force issued its report to the Legislature, a painstaking recitation of the deplorable treatment of African slaves and the ways in which California and the United States benefited from forced human slave labor and how it continued to subjugate Black Californians well into recent times.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
As required by statute, the task force was required to include in its findings how the State of California will offer a formal apology on behalf of the people of California for the perpetration of gross human rights violations and crimes against humanity on African slaves and their descendants. This bill is the completion of that charge.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
AB 3089 is the first step in truth and reconciliation process. By offering a formal apology for past wrongs, California would join nine other states that have offered some form of apology for their role in slavery.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia have all enacted some form of apology for their role in the slave trade. Even though California entered the union as a free state, every branch of government from top down has had a hand in perpetrating the oppression of Black Californians.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
This bill is an opportunity to confront those tough truths in a meaningful way. It has long passed time for the state to acknowledge its role and responsibility for the atrocities.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
They that promoted and facilitated the institution of slavery in the State of California is also, and State of California is and should continue to affirm its role by protecting and uplifting the descendants of enslaved people who have been harmed by a legacy of state sanctioned policies.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
I would like to thank the members of this body for acknowledging the fact that if we continue to ignore our past, we are doomed to repeat those failures. Thank you, Mister chair. And I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Every child, every small child is taught the importance of apologizing as a means to make amends.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
But if we ever want to heal the racial trauma in America, then it begins with this apology today.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you, Assembly Member. Witnesses in support?
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
You're it.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
I think I'm.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. All right. Well, I don't think you need more. Right. All right. Others who are in support, please approach the microphone. Give us your name, your affiliation, your position.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
I'm it.
- Rebecca Gonzales
Person
Good afternoon, Rebecca Gonzales with the Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Lizzie Cootsona
Person
Lizzie Cootsona here on behalf of the California Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry in support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Kristin Goree
Person
Kristin Gorey on behalf of the California Association of Local Conservation Corps, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Julia Lopez
Person
Julia Lopez with Greenberg Traurig on behalf of Equality California, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Marvin Deon II
Person
Marvin Deon on behalf of the County of Los Angeles in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Duke Cooney
Person
Duke Cooney on behalf of ACLU California Action, strong support. Thank you, sir.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you. Opposition to AB 3069, please. That too. AB 3089. Need glasses. All right. Please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approaching the microphone, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Other questions? seeing no questions.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
We're a subcommittee, and so at the appropriate time, I'll ask for a motion and then I expect that we'll have a vote. So, thank you very much, Senator Jones-Sawyer
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
Quickly close?
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
You may close. Yes, go ahead.
- Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer
Legislator
I also want to thank my fellow CLBC members because this is a California Legacy Black Caucus priority. We have Doctor Akilah Weber, Assembly Member, and we have Assembly Member Mike Gipson. They're here in support of the bill. So, I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you very much. Thank you, Assembly Members Weber and Gipson, for being here present. Thank you. All right, we'll have a vote at the appropriate time. Thank you. All right, next. Assembly Member Addis. So, AB 1905. And before you begin, Assembly Member Addis, let me make an announcement in terms of process.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So, we have historically gone in alphabetical order, as you note today, from A to Z. We're going to change that up on July 2. So, we're going to change it and we're going to go in reverse alphabetical order on July 2. So, I assume that Assembly Member Zbur will be quite gleeful.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Assembly Member Addis, maybe not so much so. All right. All right, thank you, AB 1905.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
Let's make today a good day then. But I want to say thank you, Chair and staff and advocates. I'm here to present AB 1905, the Retreat Rights Reform Act, which is part of the Call-to-Action Bill Package to address sex discrimination and sexual harassment in higher education.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
And as you may know, I'm a teacher and know firsthand that our school systems and their leaders must provide safe and affirming educational environments for all students to learn, as well as for all staff and faculty.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
Unfortunately, California's higher education system has not only failed to protect its campus communities, but has actually rewarded perpetrators of sexual harassment and more. So, I'm authoring AB 1905, the Retreat Rights Reform Act because the time is now to end this kind of madness.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
The truth is, perpetrators of sexual harassment who hold high-level positions in California's higher education system have long been rewarded with the right to retreat to teaching jobs where they can continue to victimize students, faculty, and staff, and or letters of recommendation that promote private sector careers.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
These rewards display deliberate indifference on the part of our higher education campuses and, frankly, are a slap in the face to survivors. So, AB 1905 will make urgently needed change. Under this new law, those with substantiated claims of sexual harassment would be ineligible for retreat rights, as well as positive letters of recommendation.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
It is well past time, and I think we can all agree on this, to create justice for survivors, to restore faith in our institutions, and to prevent further abuse. Joining me today to testify and support is Kate Rodgers, Co-Chief of Policy for Generation Up.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
Good afternoon, everyone, Chairman of the Committee, Members. So, my name is Kate. I am the Co-Chief of Policy for Generation Ep. We're California's largest entirely student-led advocacy organization, and we are proud to co-sponsor 10 out of the 12 Call-to-Action bills, including AB 1905.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, the Call-to-Action report exposed the gross inadequacies of the Title IX policies across the UC, CSU, and community college systems. Years of neglect from our institutions have created the problems, but students have been the ones dealing with the consequences, and AB 1905 is a key part of the solution.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
To be clear, I do not believe that our universities are directly responsible for every incident of mixed conduct on their campuses. What they are responsible for, though, is what happens after. So, speaking from personal experience as a UCLA student, navigating the Title IX process is incredibly difficult.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
And making that decision, whether or not to come forward after sexual assault or harassment is very hard and like, especially when there are psychological, academic, and social consequences. So, when I personally had to contact my own Title IX office, it was primarily to protect other students.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
Of course, I was worried that it would backfire or make things worse for me somehow. But that was a risk I was willing to take at the time because I wanted to make sure that my institution had all of the information needed to protect other students.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, you can imagine how disheartened I was when they chose not to. So once a school knows of a misconduct violation, especially when perpetrated by a faculty member, there is no excuse not to address the issue.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, AB 1905 will prevent employees of the UC, CSU, and community college students that have violated harassment policies from ending up in student-facing roles again. So, this bill will ensure that perpetrators are no longer allowed to repeatedly victimize students. So, on behalf of Generation Up, I respectfully request your aye vote today. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Next witness, please.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
Just the one.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All righty. Anyone else in support, please approach. Give us your name, your affiliation, your position.
- Brenda Vutukuri
Person
Brenda Vutukuri, on behalf of Lieutenant Governor Eleni Kounalakis, in proud support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Lizzie Cootsona
Person
Lizzie Cootsona here, on behalf of the California Faculty Association in support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 1905, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approaching the microphone, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Questions? Seeing no questions.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
We do not have a quorum, but when we do have a quorum, I assuming we will get a motion and have a vote on the bill. So. Okay. Senator Wilk assures me. So, thank you very much.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
Thank you so much.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
You going to let her close?
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead and close.
- Dawn Addis
Legislator
Well, with that, I will just say that we do believe AB 1905 will make true and lasting change, not just for California students, but for the entire campus community. And we respectfully ask for your aye vote when the time is right.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. All right, once again, I will note that we have 100% of the Republicans here in Committee and about 10% of the Democrats. So, if you're a Member of the Committee, we would encourage you to report to Room 2100. Assembly Member Aguiar-Curry, AB 2587, file item number two.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
Good afternoon, Mister chair and Senators. I would like to thank you and your staff for your work on this, and I will accept the Committee's amendments today. AB 2587 strengthens protections for survivors of a sexual assault and gives survivors better access to the justice system. Unfortunately, an act of sexual assault is committed every 68 seconds.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
The toxic culture of sexual assault spans across all sectors of employment and society. It can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime, regardless of age, gender, or sexual orientation. Far too often, sexual assault also includes a culture of cover up.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
AB 2587 allows a limited time for survivors of sexual assault to pursue overdue recourse for the trauma they have endured because it can take years to fully realize the impact of an assault and to gain the confidence to come forward with allegations. Survivors need sufficient time to ready themselves and retain counsel to pursue their rights.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
AB 2587 will also clarify that a perpetrator of a sexual assault and an entity who covered it up are held accountable for the harm inflicted on survivors. By exposing these predators, we can prevent them from reoffending.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
And that means our communities are safer, our families are safer, our neighbors are safer, and the public at large is safer. With me today to testify in support is Doctor Caroline Heldman, a survivor and advocate representing. Stand with Us. And Mike Finnegan, attorney and advocate for the Victim Policy Institute.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
And we also have my staff who's been working on this as well, if we have any questions.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you very much. Floor is yours.
- Caroline Heldman
Person
Good afternoon, Committee Doctor Caroline Heldman with Stand with Survivors, and I strongly support this bill. Stand with Survivors has spent years supporting hundreds of survivors of sexual violence, and I am also a survivor. As a college student, I was raped by a fellow student in his car miles from campus. We both worked at the student newspaper.
- Caroline Heldman
Person
And when I confided in our editor, my boss, someone I thought was a friend, she dismissed it, calling it he said, she said. Even after my attacker admitted his guilt in an email, I was ostracized and forced out of the paper. I learned the harsh lesson that speaking out about my assault only led to more suffering, so I never went to the police.
- Caroline Heldman
Person
We recognize that countless survivors have been silenced by the toxic culture of victim blaming and stigma they face when they come forward. Our criminal justice system needs the civil justice system to prevent sexual assault, because only 1% of rapists will ever spend a single day behind bars.
- Caroline Heldman
Person
Statistics show us that 120 rapists can be responsible for 1225 separate acts of interpersonal violence, including rape, battery, and child, physical, and sexual abuse. This bill clarifies that when the Legislature passed prior legislation, both the perpetrator and the entity responsible for the sexual assault are to be held accountable for their actions.
- Caroline Heldman
Person
We must empower survivors to come forward and seek justice without fear of retaliation or shame. I appreciate you taking the time to hear my story today and for recognizing the urgent need for clarity in this law. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you for your testimony. All right, others in support.
- Mike Finnegan
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. My name is Mike Finnegan with the Victim Policy Institute. I'm an attorney who represents survivors and I'm here in support of this bill, strongly in support of this bill, but also to answer any technical questions that you may have.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you very much. All right, others in support. If you give us your name, your affiliation, your position.
- Samantha Maloney
Person
Samantha Maloney, co-founder of the Punk Rock Therapist Nonprofit, in support of this bill.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in support. Seeing no one else approaching the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2587, please approach the microphone.
- Jaime Huff
Person
Good afternoon, Mister Chair and Members. Jaime Huff, on behalf of the Civil Justice Association of California, still respectfully in opposition, but pleased to report that with the amendment that the Committee is asking the author to take, that we are going to have the majority of our opposition coalition remove opposition.
- Jaime Huff
Person
As stated previously, CJAC has no issue with the perpetrator of an offense being included in this bill. The coalition has only asked that the COVID up requirements stay in place to alleviate concerns about the overly broad application on the business entities.
- Jaime Huff
Person
On principle, we are opposed to reviving claims solely on the basis of the heinousness of a defendant's alleged conduct. The statute of limitations exists for our judicial system to properly decide cases on inaccurate, reliable evidence, which is a fundamental safeguard of due process.
- Jaime Huff
Person
However, we very much appreciate the thorough analysis done by your Committee, and we want to thank the author and her great staff for their commitment to work with us throughout the process. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in opposition, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one else? Well, maybe. Go ahead.
- Andrea Liebenbaum
Person
Thank you, Chair Umberg. Andy Liebenbaum, on behalf of the County of Los Angeles. And our opposition is contingent upon potentially removing the, or making clear that public entities are not subject to the provisions of the bill. It's been stated in the analysis and in many past analyses.
- Andrea Liebenbaum
Person
But what we're confronting in the County of LA is that the courts are still entertaining these motions against us. We're facing literally billions of dollars in claims, and if the intent was not to include public entities, we believe that making that clear would be advantageous. So, with that, thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you. Others in opposition, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one else approaching, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Seeing. Yes, Senator Wilk.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Yeah, I just have a quick one, because I remember, I think it was maybe last week in the LA Times, they had an article about this very issue and how much it's costing the County of LA. So, can you address the county's concerns?
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
Well, just so you know that AB 2587 is building off of a bill Assembly Member Wicks did AB 277 of last year, and that bill did not include the public sector in that bill. So, we're just building off of that. We will continue to work, obviously, with the county.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
We just found out this just a little bit ago, this afternoon that they were opposing it, but we'll be more than happy to work with them and the opposition.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Okay, great. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. Thank you. Seeing no further questions, just a couple comments. Thank you very much, Assembly Member Aguiar-Curry, for working with us to, one, narrow the bill, but two, as I understand that this is still a work in progress, that there's some still challenges that remain.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
I understand your focus is on the perpetrator, and that's what we want to do, is make sure that the perpetrator does not escape responsibility. So, with that understanding, I assume you concur.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
Absolutely, do I concur? You know, I want to do good policy, and I want to make sure that we make sure anyone that's involved or has concerns that we answer their issues. Sometimes we can't do it all, but I'll give it my best shot.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you very much. Is that your close?
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
Pardon me? Yeah, that's my close. I'll give it my best shot.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. Thank you very much. Again, do not have a quorum, but at such time as we do, I expect a motion and a vote.
- Cecilia Aguiar-Curry
Legislator
Thank you, I appreciate all your help.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right. Seeing no other authors here. I. No, I see Assembly Member Patterson there. Yes, he is an author. Yes. You better hurry. Yes. Okay.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Don't give us openings with lines like weaseling in Assemblymen.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Right.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
True.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
There we go. Thank you, Senator Niello, you are recognized.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
So. Okay, great. Thank you, Mister chair. Senators, appreciate the opportunity here today to present AB 2388. What this bill does is it prohibits state. It enhances an existing law that prohibits state agencies from distributing, renting, or selling an individual's personal information financial gain, unless specifically authorized by law. So modernizes the Information Practices act of 1977.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
Since that time, technologies have kind of, you know, enhanced, such as cell phones and cell phone numbers. It's a natural extension of the existing law and information collected by state agencies. There have been just our office.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
Through the course of the legislative process, we've been approached by some groups that have asked for certain minor changes, and we continue to have those discussions ongoing. And always happy to work with any opposition we did receive after this, passing the entire Assembly on, you know, pretty much unanimous support.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
We did receive a late letter from an organization out of Texas on Saturday night. And unfortunately, that resulted in this bill being withdrawn from consent, but always interested in everybody's concerns.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
But the intent of this bill is to essentially just update the existing law and make it more clear on what state agencies can and can't do with individuals private information. With that, I respectfully ask for an aye vote, and happy to take any questions.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you very much. Witnesses in support, please approach. Seeing no witnesses approaching in support. Any? Me too. Witnesses seeing no. Me too. zero, here we go.
- Duke Cooney
Person
Duke Cooney, on behalf of ACLU, California action, strong support. Thank you. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, others in support. Seeing no one else approached the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2388 please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approaching, let's bring it back to Committee. Question by Senator Wilk.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, Mister Chair. Happy to support your bill today, but I know you're a freshman, so this is your first term, and you may or may not know this, but it's the constitutional duty of the Senate to protect the people from the State Assembly.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
So even though I've got no, no votes in the Assembly, that doesn't mean anything because it's coming over here to the adults. But with that, happy to make a motion for your bill when the time. No comment.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you, Senator Wilk, for setting the Assembly Members straight. Okay with that, would you like to close? Oh, Senator Niello wants to add his two sense.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Just let it be known that Assemblymember Patterson's Senator has not said anything till now.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Okay, I think that's in the record. All right, thank you very much. Senator Patterson, would you like to close?
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
Well, thanks. I'm mostly thankful for the opportunity to come to the second floor today. It's the first time I've been here in two years. But appreciate the consideration.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
I'm sad that we don't have quorum yet because I'd like to know if this bill is going to get out of Committee. But I appreciate the consideration, appreciate the work of the Committee and Committee staff. So thank you very much for that. And I respectfully ask for an aye vote when the time comes.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
All right, thank you very much. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Okay, other Members of the Assembly who are authors of bills that are currently scheduled to be heard in Senate judiciary, it is first come, first serve right now. So those of you who are fleet of foot, you may want to hurry on down to room 2100.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
It close.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So those of you who. oh, here we go. Okay. All right. You are right. First come, first serve.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
We're excited.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Is this AB 2377? Yes. All right. AB see? Thank you very much. Assemblymember Rivas, you took advantage. You saved yourself at least 2 hours of waiting. So. All right. Without further ado.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
Thank you, Mister chair.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Item number 34 on your play card. AB 2377 go ahead.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
Thank you, Mister chair. And Senators, I want to start by thanking your Committee staff, Allison, for working with my office on this bill. I accept the Committee amendments.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
As noted in page five of the analysis, AB 2377 seeks to provide accommodations for k-12 students practicing religious fasting by offering them a modified exercise regimen or providing them with academic assignments relating to physical education. Specifically, this bill requires written permission from parents for students under 18 to request PE accommodations.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
Fasting is the act of refraining completely or partially from consuming anything of sustenance. During Ramadan, Muslims fast every day for 30 days from sunrise to sunset as a spiritual discipline.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
People in the Jewish community who observe Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year in Judaism, practice a day long fast and intensive prayer that requires full abstention from food and liquids. Additionally, several Christian denominations practice full or partial fasting on certain occasions, including Lent.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
Other states have recognized the need to provide proper accommodations for students observing religious fasting, with Illinois passing House Bill 160, which permits students to avoid rigorous physical activity during periods of religious fasting.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
Currently, students from grades one through eight are required to complete 200 minutes every 10 school days, and students in grades nine through 12 are required 400 minutes every 10 school days to fulfill their PE requirements. There are no guidelines within the school system that provide accommodations for students who are fasting during the PE portion of the day.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
The implications of fasting in summer days are even more dangerous, as factors like sweltering heat can create dangerous situations for students such as headaches and dehydration.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
Today, I have with me to provide testimony Rosa Hidari, President of the Afghan Student Association and Muslim Student Association from Laguna Creek High School, and Fauziya Faruk, policy and advocacy coordinator at CAIR Sacramento Valley, Central California.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you, and I'm sorry to interrupt, but just as a housekeeping announcement, typically we go in the order in which you're listed in alphabetical order, but. But several of you have heeded my call, so we're going to go. This was a photo finish, apparently, but Assemblymember Friedman, then assemblymember Schiavo, then assemblymember Pelerin. I'm sorry.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
We actually asked the sergeants for an official right count of who's okay. We're not okay. Okay. So you know what? You guys could go ahead and file a complaint if I've gotten this in wrong order, but. And then I see assemblymember Rubio, and then after assemblymember Rubio, we're going to go back to file order. Okay? All right.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So I'm sorry for that interruption, but I wanted to make sure that folks that are listening sort of knew what was going on. All right, the floor is now yours. Thank you.
- Rosa Hidari
Person
Thank you. Chair. Vice Chair and Members, my name is Rosa Haidari. I'm the President of both the Muslim and Afghan Student Association at Laguna Creek High School. The absence of valuing religious practices in educational settings can significantly impact students experiences. An illustrative example of this issue can be drawn from my personal experience over the past two years.
- Rosa Hidari
Person
Two years ago, I sustained a knee injury that required medical attention. Upon presenting a Doctor's note, I was excused from all physical activities for two weeks, and for the following three weeks, I was given accommodated physical activities. Throughout this period, my grade and physical education remained unaffected.
- Rosa Hidari
Person
The school's responsiveness to my medical needs ensured that my academic performance was preserved despite my temporary physical limitations contrast with this experience during my religious fasting. About a year later, I submitted a signed parental note requesting to sit out or have accommodated physical activities due to my religious fasting.
- Rosa Hidari
Person
While I wasn't outright denied this request, an action that would constitute clear religious discrimination, the school's handling of the situation was marked differently. Day by day, as I either sat out or engaged in less strenuous activities to honor my fasting, my grade began to decline, eventually dropping an entire letter grade.
- Rosa Hidari
Person
This disparately highlights a troubling issue, the failure of adequately accommodate religious practices. The school provided robust support for my medical needs. However, when I sought similar accommodations for religious practice, the lack of support led to a significant drop in my academic performance.
- Rosa Hidari
Person
This experience underscores a broader concern about the respect and value placed on religious practices with educational institutions. The insufficient support for religious accommodations seen in schools can lead to indirect discrimination where students are not given the same consideration as other needs. AB 2377 takes a further step to truly honor the principles of religious freedom and equality.
- Rosa Hidari
Person
Recognizing the importance of these practices, I request the community's yes vote and thank you for the opportunity to testify.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Others in support.
- Fauziya Faruk
Person
Thank you. Chair, Vice Chair, and Committee Members, my name is Fauziya Faruk, and I'm the policy and advocacy coordinator at the Council on American Islamic Relations we proudly sponsor AB 2377 Bill addressing critical gaps in our educational systems. Accommodation of religious practices.
- Fauziya Faruk
Person
Reflecting on my school journey, I faced repeated challenges during Ramadan when fasting made participating in PE difficult and unsafe. Like many others, I had to navigate the conflict between adhering to my religious practices and fulfilling school PE requirements, often risking my health and academic standing.
- Fauziya Faruk
Person
While the First Amendment and article six of the US Constitution broadly supports religious freedoms, AB 2377 focuses on their practical application in school settings. This bill provides clear, actionable guidelines for schools, ensuring that students who fast for religious reasons can maintain their observances without academic penalty.
- Fauziya Faruk
Person
The First Amendment serves as the floor, not the ceiling, for religious protections, allowing states to offer greater safeguards. AB 2377 codifies these rights within California law, offering specific clarity and enforcement that broader constitutional principles may lack. AB 2377 is a proactive measure, providing California with the opportunity to prevent potential injustices before they become systemic problems.
- Fauziya Faruk
Person
Drawing on successful precedents like Illinois House Bill 160, AB 23 aligns with established practices supporting student health and inclusion. I urge you to support AB 2377 affirming our commitment to an educational system that honors diversity and supports every student's right to participate fully and safely. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in support, please approach the microphone. Give us your name, your affiliation, and your position. Seeing no one else approaches the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2377 please approach.
- Devon Ford
Person
Good afternoon, chair and Members. I'm Devon Ford, and I'm here on behalf of CAHPERD, which is the California Association of Health, PE, recreation, and dance. First, I want to thank the Committee staff for their hard work on providing a balanced bill analysis. And I also want to thank the author's office for working with us.
- Devon Ford
Person
Our position on this measure is opposed unless amended. We feel there's a clear designation. There needs to be a clear designation of identified religions, a definition of fasting, and a clarification on alternative assignments. Here with me today to provide testimony and answer questions is Doctor Christopher Bush, 23 years of experience teaching physical education and PE and health.
- Devon Ford
Person
He's a previous President and board Member of CAHPERD and was previously a school district administrator.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much.
- Christopher Bush
Person
All right, Mister chair, Members of the Committee, I'm Doctor Christopher Bush and I'm a physical educator, and I've had experience in the field for 23 years.
- Christopher Bush
Person
My organization, CAHPERD, is a nonprofit educational organization which achieves its mission by taking a strong stand for supporting, encouraging, and providing assistance for quality programs in health, physical education, recreation, dance, sports, and other movement related activities. Promoting an activity. Excuse me, promoting an active and Healthy California in reference to this measure, AB 2377.
- Christopher Bush
Person
Let me begin by saying that we believe this bill is well meaning and support religious freedom. We don't want students to be penalized academically for their religious observances. What we find concerning is the absence of defined religions and the time limits within those proposed bill.
- Christopher Bush
Person
The current version of the bill does not specify any time constraints or offer a clear definition of what constitutes religious fasting. This ambiguity raises the question of whether a student could seek excusal for varying durations ranging from a single day to an entire year.
- Christopher Bush
Person
We believe the lack of guidelines with specified time limits, defined religions and a definition for fasting are crucial issues that must be addressed. I'm available for any questions.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you very much. Others in opposition, please approach. Seeing no one else approaching, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members. Senator Wilk.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
I'm taking Senator Archuleta's place today. I supported this in education. Plan to support it again today. But I thought those were real. I thought those points were on the mark. So is that something as you move forward, you're going to try to address with opposition?
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
Well, you know this because students are expected to be accommodated only for the duration of time that they are religiously mandated to fast for. Right. It's not a year long accommodation and they're not exempt from physical education. It's an accommodation either.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
It could be a lighter workout regimen or some type of alternative assignment during the PE period, but it is not a year long or years long accommodation.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Okay. I know this is hard for you to believe, but I was kind of a smart aleck when I was young, and most people who do this are sincere following their religious beliefs. I could see people gaming the system. So are you open to maybe cataloging certain religions that we know?
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
I guess that stumbles on freedom of religion. Yeah.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
I don't believe it's the state's base right to define religion. Right. I mean, obviously our intention. You know, I did in my opening statement, did, you know talk about Ramadan? Because this idea for this Bill came from my legislative aide, Omar, from his own personal experiences fasting during Ramadan when he was in high school. Right.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
So that's kind of the. Where this bill originates from. But. And so that's what I am.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
I mean, I'm surprised that we haven't already done this. So I salute you for that. I don't know.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
I would like you as you go along to maybe I haven't received a meeting request. Okay. From the opposition with me.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
So did you guys hear that? ok. No.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
We're going to do this question and answer format. Okay. All right. Senator Wilk, your question?
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
No, I'm good. So thank you. Thank you for saying that again. Supporting education. Going to support it today.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Right. Okay. Thank you. When Senator Wilk moves to America as he's pledged to do next year and he forms his religion, the question, I think is how do you distinguish between religions that are well established versus religions that have maybe recently emerged that provide for fasting for a year, whatever it may be? I heard what you've said.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
I've heard what the opposition said, that they're going to continue to work with you to further make sure that wilkism isn't included as one of the religions that may provide for some.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
I mean, right. I mean, I just, I do have an issue with the state, you know, I think there is for freedom of religion. Right. And so I am being very honest with the Committee. Right. On who gets to define religion in our state, I guess.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. Thank you. Would you like to close? Is that your close?
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
No, I just want to thank you. Thank you and the Committee for, you know, your support, or I'm asking for your support today. And I respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you. And I take your point about the state establishing religions. But I also take Senator Wilkes point in all seriousness, that there could be some sort of determiner discriminator between recently reformed religions that may not have a historic basis versus Islam, for example, which has, you know, a few thousand year basis. So. All right.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
With that, we do not have a quorum, but we will, I expect there will be a motion and a vote such time as we have a quorum. All right, thank you.
- Luz Rivas
Legislator
Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, send me Member Friedman. So just to note that when I asked for folks to come down, authors, that there were five female Members of the Assembly that immediately appeared, and until recently, no males, just that they appear to be a bit sluggish. Males appear to be a bit sluggish in the Assembly, so.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, Assemblymember Friedman, go ahead.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
Thank you, Mister Chair and Members. And thank you for acknowledging my first-place finish in the race to be here. As you may remember, in 2018 I had the honor of chairing the Joint Rules Subcommittee on Sexual Harassment Prevention and Response.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
In that committee, we heard from experts and advocates from across the spectrum about best practices and preventing harassment. And in the Legislature, both the Senate and the Assembly took steps to reform our own culture and to protect our staff and Members. It's past time that we have similar protections for staff and students at our colleges and universities.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
AB 810 builds on existing best practices established by UC Davis by codifying their employee verification process for public and private universities.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
This bill provides an additional layer of protection for campus communities by providing another tool for human resources officers to engage with previous employers to ascertain whether the applicant has sustained allegations that, remember, sustained is important, allegations of misconduct while employed by their previous employer.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
Under current law, colleges do background checks, but unfortunately, background checks do not catch incidences or actions of misconduct or sexual harassment. This has opened the door to what many people believe is a common practice of educational institutions passing the harasser, as it's come to be known in both academic and athletic spaces.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
According to a white paper done by the National Academics Action Coalition on preventing sexual harassment in higher education. The term is well known in academic circles and refers to instances where faculty members who are found responsible for sexual harassment can quietly resign and seek employment at another institution without having to notify their new employer of past misconduct.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
My staff has also provided to you written testimony to the Committee from a victim that has unfortunately experienced sexual harassment at her university, only to see that same professor find employment at another nearby college that was unaware of the sustained claims against this professor.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
By reinforcing more accountability in the hiring process, AB 810 aims to reduce the passing of the harasser from campus to campus to promote a more safe and equitable environment for campus staff and students. Testifying in support this afternoon is Kate Rodgers from GENup.
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
This bill has received bipartisan support and is also part of the Call-to-Action Package moving through the Legislature. I appreciate your thoughtful consideration and would request an aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
Good afternoon, Chairman, again, and Members of the Committee. So, my name is still Kate Rodgers, Chief of Policy for GENup, so we're really proud to be co-sponsors of AB 810. I've actually been working on this specific bill with Friedman's office for almost a year and a half now.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
And what I didn't know when I started working on the bill was that it would become part of my lived experience at UCLA in just a few short months. So, in my sophomore year of college, I'm now just finished my junior year, a faculty member repeatedly harassed me. He would follow me around.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
He learned my schedule, lingered outside of my classrooms, and even chased me into the bathroom several times. And I wish I could say that I had immediately reported this to my Title IX office, but I didn't. I had already kind of lost faith in their ability to help students with this sort of thing.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, I just withdrew from the class, which is still in my transcript today, and I just never walked around unaccompanied. And eventually, I stopped seeing him. And I realized later that this was probably just because he picked a new student to terrorize.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, I found out that a friend of mine, an acquaintance, had had the same thing happen to her with this same faculty member. And at that point, I called the Title IX office. But even with two students, and likely many more with the same experience, with the same staff member, the school did nothing.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
They never even emailed me back after I talked to them the first time. So, AB 810 will ensure that public colleges and universities have access to information regarding any past substantiated allegations of misconduct against job applicants from previous employers.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, what I want you all to think about is that if what happened to me and my fellow students at UCLA does not result in substantiated misconduct, imagine how serious the violations are that do. So, it's that type of harassment that this bill will protect students from. So, on behalf of Generation Up, I respectfully request your aye vote today. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Is that faculty member still present?
- Kate Rodgers
Person
Yes.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you. All right, next. Witness. Seeing no one else approaches the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 810, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approach the microphone, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Seeing no questions by Committee Members.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Assembly Member Friedman, would you like to close?
- Laura Friedman
Legislator
Again, this bill has received unanimous support, and I would request your vote today to better protect our students.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you very much. We don't have a quorum. When we do, I expect a motion and a vote. All right, thank you very much. All right, next. Oh, by the way, we have written communication from Hannah Holford, and that will be incorporated in the record. Next, Miss Assembly Member Schiavo.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
Thank you, Mister Chair and Senators, I am happy to be here today and grateful for the opportunity to present AB 2499 to you. No person should lose their job because they need time to recover from a traumatic or violent event.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
AB 2499 will ensure that family members of living, direct victims, and survivors of trauma can take unpaid leave and time off to address safety concerns, heal, or support their family. One in six survivors of violent crime report losing their jobs or being demoted because they needed to take time off following their traumatic event.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
53% of survivors of domestic violence report losing a job because of the abuse and seven out of 10 victims describe feeling unsafe or scared following victimization.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
Low-wage workers, including immigrants, women, and nonbinary workers, and workers of color who are especially vulnerable to victimization, are also least likely to have the existing flexibility to leave or leave protections at their job.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
We worked with the opposition to address concerns and have limited the amount of leave to two weeks or 10 days, along with limiting the reasons for taking leave. Additionally, leave is only available and usable for covered reasons. Experiencing violence does not entitle a worker or their family member to simply take weeks off of work.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
Fewer than 215 complaints have been made to the Labor Commission based on survivor rights in the last three years, for which data is available to the CRD expects only 50 to 100 complaints per year.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
Employers will benefit as well, for their employees are far more likely to return and be able to be productive at work given the appropriate time to recover. Joining me today is Manny Sanchez from Crime Survivors for Safety and Justice. And also joining is Senior Staff Attorney, Katherine Wutchiett, from Legal Aid at Work.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you. Floor is yours.
- Manny Sanchez
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Senators. My name is Manny Sanchez. I'm a member of Crime Survivors for Safety and Justice. Our program represents a network of over 50,000 crime survivors in California. I'm here speaking in support of AB 2499. I came to crime.
- Manny Sanchez
Person
I came to be a crime survivor of safety injustice due to the murder of my daughter, Justice. Justice was taken from us way too soon by gun violence. She was only 19 years old. She had goals and dreams. She was a very loving and caring with a beautiful smile. She was very smart. She was a very smart young woman.
- Manny Sanchez
Person
She still had her whole life to live. When Justice had passed, I had already been in the process of healing. My mom had just passed, and I had no more time off to use. I struggled to take time off to meet with law enforcement.
- Manny Sanchez
Person
I needed to help my daughter, my stepdaughter, get mental health support to process her grief. I needed more time to meet with funeral service providers. I'm still in the process of healing and processing my grief.
- Manny Sanchez
Person
It's going on two years since Justice has passed, and I struggle to take time off for grieving without having the fear of losing my job. We as survivors need the bill to become law. Thank you so very much for taking your time and hearing our stories.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. And I know this sounds trite, but I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you.
- Katherine Wutchiett
Person
Good afternoon. I'm Katherine Wutchiett, a Senior Staff Attorney at Legal Aid at Work, an organization dedicated to advancing the rights of working families. At our organization we have a project, survive, where we hear from survivors who are reaching out to us because they're trying to figure out what they can do for their safety without losing their job.
- Katherine Wutchiett
Person
And it's not surprising, given that in some surveys, over half of survivors of domestic violence and more than one in six survivors of violence end up losing their job because of the violence that they've experienced or time off that they need related to it.
- Katherine Wutchiett
Person
While California does have some protections in place, they're not adequate for what survivors need, and AB 2499 fills in some of those gaps. First, it allows survivors to take time off for additional specific covered reasons and allows family members to take up to two weeks off for reasons related to safety and recovery.
- Katherine Wutchiett
Person
It's only for specific reasons, it's unpaid time, and it's limited to those who work for employers with 25 or more employees. Second, the bill also expands reasonable accommodation rights to additional survivors of violence as well as their family members.
- Katherine Wutchiett
Person
So, these are only accommodations for the purpose of safety, where they are reasonable, and they don't impose an undue hardship on the employer. And then finally, it also streamlines the process for enforcing these rights by placing them in the Fair Employment and Housing Act enforced by the Civil Rights Department.
- Katherine Wutchiett
Person
Currently, many survivors of violence need to file with both the Labor Commissioner and with the Civil Rights Department, which have separate processes, investigations, timelines, and it can be confusing and burdensome. So, putting them within one agency will make it easier for those who need to enforce their rights to do so.
- Katherine Wutchiett
Person
Nobody who's in the same position as Mister Sanchez should have to worry about losing their job when they're in the middle of that tragedy and trying to be safe. For those reasons, we ask for your support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Anyone else in support of AB 2499 please approach the microphone. Name, affiliation, position
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
Danica Rodarmel on behalf of Initiate Justice in strong support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Anthony DI Martino
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Senators. My name is Anthony Di Martino. I'm speaking on behalf of Californians for safety and justice and Crime Survivors for Safety and Justice, co-sponsors of the bill.
- Anthony DI Martino
Person
Also testifying on behalf of the following organizations. Friends, Committee on Legislation of California, LA Alliance for a New Economy, LA Best Babies Network, National Council of Jewish Women Los Angeles, Orange County Equality Coalition, Parent Voices California, UFCW Western States Council, Women, Inc. Working Partnerships USA and Worksafe. Thank you so much.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Janice O'Malley
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. Janice O'Malley with AFSCME California in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Concepcion Unidentified
Person
Good afternoon. My name is Concepcion. I'm also a Member of Crime Survivor Safety Crime Survivor and Safety. I'm also the mother of Justice and we ask for your support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Sarah Diaz
Person
Hello. Sarah Diaz with the California WIC Association in support and also testifying on support of California Work and Family Coalition, Asian Law Alliance, Breastfeed LA, California Breastfeeding Coalition, California Partnership to End Domestic Violence, California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation, Center for Community Action and Environmental Justice, Center for Workers Rights, Citizens for Choice, Community Legal Services in East Palo Alto and Electric Universe.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Ivan Fernandez
Person
Good afternoon, Senators and Members. Ivan Fernandez with the California Labor Federation in strong support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Justin Bowers
Person
Justin Bowers with cleanerthforkids.org, we strongly support. In addition, North County Equity and Justice, Eco-Sustainability Peeps, and the NCCCA also strongly support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Anyone else in support, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one else approaching, let's turn now to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2499 please approach.
- Stephanie Roberson
Person
Mister Chair and Members of the Committee, Stephanie Roberson, on behalf of the California Chamber of Commerce, I want to first thank Assembly Member Schiavo for working with us. One, to keep the integrity of the bill, but also tailor it and provide some balance to this bill.
- Stephanie Roberson
Person
But because this bill will be the 10th expanded leave on the books, we must remain opposed for that reason and that reason alone. But thank you for your work on this bill. But we remain respectfully opposed and sorry for your loss. Mister Sanchez. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- C. Little
Person
Good afternoon, Mister Chairman. The Members of the Committee, Bryan Little, California Farm Bureau in respectful opposition for the reasons previously stated. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in opposition, seeing no one else approach the microphone, bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Seeing no questions by Committee Members. Assembly Member Schiavo, would you like to close?
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
I think the witness testimony was enough for all of us. Respectfully request an aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. Thank you very much. Appropriate time. I expect there'll be a motion to vote. Thank you.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Our sergeants are so good. I don't know how they missed that. I apologize.
- Pilar Schiavo
Legislator
I know. Well, maybe we'll have another chance for a re-race.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Well, we're going to on July 2. We're going on the other order, so there'll be some redemption. All right. Thank you. Assembly Member Pellerin.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Good afternoon.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
And you have two bills?
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
I do.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Right.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
So thank you, Mister chair and Senators, for the opportunity to present AB 2249. I'd like to start by accepting the Committee's amendments and thanking Committee staff for working with my office on those. Under existing law, specific election materials must be retained by county elections officials.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
Records regarding federal elections must be retained for 22 months and all other election records must be retained for six months. The package containing these materials must remain unopened for the duration of the retention period, after which these materials are destroyed.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
In the pursuit of transparent elections, the preservation of the paper and electronic record of the election is of the utmost importance. However, there have been cases where the Secretary of State and a court have come to differing conclusions regarding which documents may be shared without compromising the security of an election.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
In order to provide more clarity regarding retention and document access, AB 2249 clarifies which materials must be retained by elections officials. AB 2249 also requires an elections official to take all reasonable steps to preserve packaged records in light of a natural disaster or other unforeseeable and unavoidable circumstance.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
AB 2249 clarifies that all voters may inspect the contents of the package or packages at all times during the official canvas and retention period, excepting those items that contain signatures of voters which may not be copied or distributed. In order to preserve the secrecy of the ballot. AB 2249 is sponsored by the California Association of Clerks and elections officials. My witness had to go home, so there is no opposition to the Bill, and at the appropriate time, I ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Those in support of 2249. AB 2249, please approach microphone.
- Stanicia Boatner
Person
Good afternoon. Chair Member Stanicia Boatner, on behalf of the California State Association of Counties in support of AB 2249. Thank you.
- Larisa Mercado
Person
Good afternoon. Larissa Mercado, on behalf of the California Association of Clerks and Election officials in support. Again, our witness had to leave, but appreciate it. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Alyssa Silhi
Person
Alyssa Silhi, on behalf of the. City Clerks Association of California in support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, others in support, seeing no one else approached the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2249 please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approaching, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members. Seeing none, would you like to close?
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
When you get a quorum.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
When we get a quorum, we'll do so.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
Thank you.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
I see Assemblymember Holden here. Assemblymember Holden, would you like to go next?
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, next matter.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
Number two. So thank you again, Mister.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Item number 28. AB 2493.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
Thank you again, Mister Chair and Senators for the opportunity to present AB 2493. I will be taking the Committee amendments. The amendments clarify that reusable screening reports may be accepted by a landlord and they cannot charge a fee if they accept such a report for no additional charge pursuant to Section 1950.1. While many landlords are running above the board businesses, California's housing supply crisis, coupled with the lack of knowledge about tenants rights among the average renter, presents the perfect window for bad actors.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
AB 2493 require landlords to either take the first come, first qualified applicant or use a reusable application. It also requires the landlord to provide a copy of the credit report to the applicant. AB 2493 will also prevent a landlord or property management company from charging a potential applicant a fee to to be entered onto a waiting list for a rental unit if no rental unit is available at the time or will be available in a reasonable amount of time.
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
By prohibiting such fees, the Bill ensures transparency and prevents applicants from being financially exploited when there is no immediate prospect of securing a rental unit. I have two witnesses with me today, Ana Luz Acevedo and Veronica Martinez from the Communities Organized for Power in Action, COPA, who will testify in support of the Bill.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you. Floor is yours.
- Ana Acevedo
Person
My name is Ana Luz Acevedo and I am a COPA leader at Our Lady of Refuge Catholic Church in Castroville, here to support AB 2493. COPA is a broad based organization composed of 27 faith based, nonprofit and labor unions in Monterey and Santa Cruz counties. My experience with rental application fees takes me back to my first job out of college when I didn't have the money to afford paying for the typical moving expenses plus application fees, plus security posit, plus first month's rent and at times the last month's rent too.
- Ana Acevedo
Person
So much so that the only thing I could afford to do was take over somebody else's lease so I can save some money on these expenses. And had the previous tenants not left their bed behind, I would have spent the night on the floor until I got my first paycheck. And I know that my story resonates with many other young professionals who constantly stress out about the cost of moving. I know that's something that my peers and I have talked about constantly over the years. In my case, I paid over $500 in application fees, but I know that's still low compared to some of my peers who have paid over $1,000. If passed, AB 2493 would help ease the burden on young people and keep talent in California. I will also be translating for Veronica.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty, thank you very much.
- Veronica Martinez
Person
[Speaking in Spanish].
- Ana Acevedo
Person
So this is Veronica Martinez. She's a leader with COPA and Mujeres en Accion in Salinas. She says, I speak Spanish and Mixteco and I'm here to support AB 2493. My husband and I have four children, and we wanted a bigger place so our kids would have more room to play and do homework and so we could be closer to their school. But the process to find a bigger apartment was terrible.
- Ana Acevedo
Person
On top of the security deposit and rent, we had to pay more than $300 just for the privilege of having our name on wait list for apartments that we later learned are totally full. And my story is not new. There are many people in my community that pay $95, $75, $55 for each adult for each unit during a surge. For families that have multiple adults and live paycheck to paycheck, the process is impossible. AB 2493 helps families like mine who need relief and want a better life for their kids. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Other witnesses in support, please approach. Give us your name, your affiliation, your position.
- Duke Cooney
Person
Duke Cooney, Legislative Advocate with ACLU California Action proud supporter. Thank you.
- Janice O'Malley
Person
Hello. Janice O'Malley, AFSME California in support. Thank you.
- Joshua Gauger
Person
Good afternoon. Josh Gauger on behalf of the County of Santa Cruz in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Eli Holiday
Person
Eli Holiday, on behalf of COPA and its 27 member institutions in strong support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in support, please approach. Let's now turn to opposition. If you're opposed to 2493 please approach the microphone. Going once, going twice. All right, seeing no one else approach the microphone, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Seeing none. Thank you, Senator Stern, for joining us. I'm feeling a little bit like the Maytag repairman here. If you laughed at that, you're too old. It is impacting my self esteem that we are having challenges getting a quorum. So if you hear this, please report. We need at least two more Members to form a quorum. Assemblymember Pellerin, would you like to close?
- Gail Pellerin
Legislator
Yes. Thank you so much. I do want to thank my Lizette Jones in my district office, who's staffing this Bill and is here in Sacramento today. She's done an amazing job, and she knows firsthand the struggles of a renter in California and the cost of getting a unit. So this Bill will really go very far to help her and others in the same position. So I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you very much. At the appropriate time, I assume there'll be a motion to vote. All right, thank you.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
First of all, let me thank you, Chair Umberg and Members of the Committee for the opportunity to present today on Assembly Bill 2193, dealing with hazing accountability. As many of you know, California already codifies laws in 2006 that make engaging in hazing unlawful.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
Despite this, we continue to see hazing incidents occur around educational institutions, oftentimes proving to be fatal. It is clear that our laws are overlooking a key player when it outlining responsible parties: the educational institution itself.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
This bill allows for a civil action to be brought against an educational institution that knew or should have known of the dangerous hazing practices of an affiliate organization. Additionally, this bill establishes a rebuttable presumption that an educational institution took reasonable steps to address hazing if the educational institution had taken specified anti-hazing measures and requires universities reporting hazing incidences to the Legislature.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
It's time that we hold all parties involved responsible for these tragedies in the hope that we can come together to prevent them in the future. Here with me to testify in support of AB 2193 are Attorney of Law Christa Ramey, along with family members to a victim of hazing, Myeasha Kimble and William Hilliard. I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Floor is yours.
- Myeasha Kimble
Person
Thank you. My name is Myeasha Kimble. Our son, Tyler Hilliard, was born March 26th, 1998. He would have been 26 years old in March. Tyler loved spending time with family and friends. He loved dancing and baseball, which he started playing at the age of seven. Our son had a passion for learning.
- Myeasha Kimble
Person
We sent our son to UC Riverside to get an education, but only two years into his college, who would have predicted we would have to lay our son to rest? One of Tyler's goals and aspirations was to become an Alpha because one of his role models, Dr. Martin Luther King, was also an Alpha.
- Myeasha Kimble
Person
The thought of losing Tyler is just heart-wrenching. The treatment that he received from an organization that he held dear to his heart is sometimes unbearable. We are forced to relive the nightmare of losing Tyler every time we see a young man dancing, playing baseball, every holiday, like Christmas and Thanksgiving, Mother's Day and Father's Day, his birthday, and even looking at our youngest son.
- Myeasha Kimble
Person
It is a gut-wrenching pain of a nightmare that I cannot wake up from. The pain is that much more unbearable because this could have all been prevented, and this bill would help accomplish that. The regents say they didn't have a duty of care towards my son, but the fraternity won't take responsibility either. Who is looking out for our children?
- Myeasha Kimble
Person
Imagine sitting at the side of your child's hospital bed while he or she is attached to a ventilator, unresponsive, feeling helpless, begging God to save your child and to take you instead because you know without a shadow of a doubt, you would trade places without a second thought, and now you have to make the decision to remove your child from life support because there is nothing else that could be done. We beg you today in the name of Tyler and others before him to pass this bill so that no other parent has to experience the loss of a child as a result of hazing. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you, and we're sorry for your loss, and thank you for channeling your pain into something that may benefit others. All right, other witnesses.
- Christa Ramey
Person
Thank you. Thank you, Chairman, and I have a strict policy never to let anyone cry alone in my presence, so I'm going to pull it together. Good afternoon. My name is Christa Ramey. I'm an attorney, and I am here to talk on behalf of AB 2193. I'm here on behalf of Consumer Attorneys of California.
- Christa Ramey
Person
I'm an attorney who represents kids that have been the victims of bullying, sex abuse, and hazing. Parents call me when schools fail them and fail their children. My heart breaks when I hear stories like Tyler. And in their case, the regents has said that it owed no duty to him in his off-campus activities with the fraternity.
- Christa Ramey
Person
While fraternities might exist off campus, they find their members on campus, and the campuses which they find these members on benefit from fraternities being there. Schools have a responsibility not just to teach our kids, but to keep them safe.
- Christa Ramey
Person
We believe that 2193 made the necessary changes that the Governor asked for in his veto message last year to this bill, and we made clear changes when it comes to when liability attaches. This bill now uses the more standard language for notice that is used with all government entity claims for known or should have known standard.
- Christa Ramey
Person
There is also a compromise with a rebuttable presumption. The CAOC has never supported a bill with a rebuttable presumption, but the CAOC has decided that they would look at this on a case by case basis. This compromise was done because in this instance, it's important to address the current holes within the law when it comes to hazing.
- Christa Ramey
Person
Lawsuits are ultimately a check on the free market. Holding an institution accountable will ultimately cause that institution to take a look at their practices and make the necessary changes, and that's what this bill does. The idea that if this law passes will open some sort of litigation floodgates is not correct.
- Christa Ramey
Person
Subsection C of the proposed legislation addresses how to avoid liability while making campuses safer. If these steps are followed in a reasonable manner, there will be a rebuttable presumption that the school acted reasonably. If, on the other hand, they do not and their actions have contributed to the harm, then they may be held accountable. We recognize that lawsuits only make up for the harm that is caused.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
If you could wrap it up?
- Christa Ramey
Person
But this law will help make schools safer for our children. I respectfully request your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, others in support, please approach the microphone. Give us your name, your affiliation, your position.
- Justin Bowers
Person
Hi, Justin Bowers with cleanearth4kids.org. We strongly support this. In addition, Activist San Diego, North County Equity Injustice, Eco-Sustainability Peeps and the NCCCA also strongly support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in support seeing no one else approach the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2193 please approach.
- Joanna Hull
Person
Good afternoon. My name is Joanna Hull and I'm a litigator with the California State University. Hearing from the parents about the pain of losing their child is heartbreaking. CSU extends our deepest and most heartfelt sympathies to the family. While CSU is here today in an opposed unless amended position, we want to be clear that the CSU shares the author's goal to wipe out hazing practices and protect our students. The CSU supports the prevention measures outlined in the Bill, and we believe they strengthen our existing policies. The CSU is absolutely committed to preventing hazing.
- Joanna Hull
Person
AB 2193 as currently in print, goes a long way in addressing the CSU's concerns, and we believe additional amendments are needed to clarify the scope of universities potential liability under the Bill. For example, we believe it is important that the Bill clearly set forth when hazing incidents must occur for the new civil liability to attach.
- Joanna Hull
Person
As currently drafted, the Bill is unclear as to which duty attaches, whether existing law or the Bill. We are seeking clarity about the timing of the duties and obligations set forth in the Bill as to the date of the hazing incident. We have shared our proposed amendments with the Committee consultant and the author. We appreciate the direction the Bill has taken so far, but we believe additional clarifying amendments are needed. We are maintaining an opposed and less amended position and would be willing to shift our position to neutral if and when the proposed amendments are accepted and in print. I am happy to answer any questions Members may have.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in opposition.
- Alex Graves
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members Alex Graves with the Association of Independent California Colleges and Universities. I would echo the comments from my CSU colleague in that one, we absolutely agree with the goal, and I don't think we dispute much, if any, of what was shared by the last witness in support.
- Alex Graves
Person
Again, I would just add that we have worked in conjunction with the CSU on the additional clarifying amendments that we believe address any remaining concerns around potential ambiguity in the Bill and think we're really close to getting to that point where the language is workable from an implementation perspective. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you. Others in opposition.
- Nune Garipian
Person
Good afternoon, Nuna Garapian on behalf of the Community College League of California, in respectful opposition.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Brenda Bass
Person
Good afternoon. Brenda bass with the California Chamber of Commerce in opposition. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in opposition. Seeing no one else approach the microphone, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members. Senator Niello.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
I completely agree with what you're trying to accomplish. My concern is the possible reactions that the implementation of the Bill could create, specifically that the affiliated organizations become non affiliated so as to jettison the liability. How would you respond to that? You can't prevent it.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
Excuse me, Senator, I think it's fair to say that if an affiliate had committed an environment where hazing was being done against young people, our daughters and our sons, that there's a responsibility of the University to make sure that their safety when they step on the campus, the affiliate is a part of the University's, the fabric of the University because there's benefit that's gained from that affiliate being a part of the University experience.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
When we look at a situation where affiliate has to take due care and there is liability that assigns to the affiliate, there is additional responsibility that the University should hold. We laid out a fairly clear and I think very appropriate set of standards to be followed. The University, quite frankly, if they knew or should have known and the affiliate did not do what they were supposed to do, that, quite frankly, they should not want to be affiliated with that particular organization. If they are not, if they are creating an unsafe environment for the young person to, whether it's a fraternity or sorority.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
We heard the witness testify to her son being in an environment that he wanted to be in because there was value to that organization that he connected to. But if that affiliate created an unsafe environment, there should be standards of which we should all want to make sure that if they continue to do those type of activities, we should not want to be affiliated with them. If they can meet the appropriate standards of safety, by all means, there's value added. But I believe that, quite frankly, the universities should look at this Association and question it themselves whether or not they would be willing to or should continue to have that affiliate associated with the University.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Your last point got to my question. Fraternities and sororities are affiliated in most institutions of higher education. Some cases they're not. They don't have to be. If the institution assessed their liability situ - if this measure passed and they assessed their liability situation and the affiliates as they existed, if they had concerns about that liability, if they had the concerns about the safety in those affiliates, they could just unaffiliate all of them, which would somewhat, in a way, get to the intent in that that would put those organizations out as non affiliated.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
I'm not sure that it would stop the system from existing, but it would free the institution of the potential liability without actually altering the underlying potential issue. So I'm talking about unintended consequences. I don't think that you intend for this to result in fraternities and sororities becoming unaffiliated from the institutions of higher education. But the mere passage of this may indeed result in that because of a fear of significant liability.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
Well, I think what we tried to, and your argument, I think, probably had maybe, certainly resonated, I think, to some degree with the Governor, and I think we addressed that this year with the issue of rebuttable presumption and to lay out standards in which there could be a release of liability from the University. I don't think we're.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
This is not an effort to try to torpedo affiliates that obviously have significant connectivity to the University experience, but it is making it very clear that with laws that are currently on the books, they aren't getting the job done to the level that they should. That's why this Bill is necessary. Universities haven't. They're released from a lot of liability, but we have now the opportunity to step in and fill the gap where we see there's a need to do so. And when you see young people going to school, going to a University and finding themselves in an environment where they don't return home, something additional has to be done.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
And I'm hoping that it doesn't become a situation. I don't think it necessarily will, where the affiliates decide they do not want to be a part of the University or vice versa. But there has to be a recognition that the standards that we are putting out there, that there is a desire and a real clarity on how that the standards would be established so that the universities can respond appropriately. And we are continuing to have conversations on how to address additional issues that we may have to address.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
I'm not even implying that is the intent of your legislation to result in what I'm suggesting could result. I'm talking about an unintended consequence of the legislation. And I'm not suggesting that the affiliated organizations are going to unaffiliate. I'm suggesting the institution of higher education would refuse to recognize them as affiliations. The story that we heard is tragic indeed. I absolutely agree with that. I absolutely agree that we should take steps to try to prevent that from happening again. But what I fear is the unintended consequence of this legislation may not end up with that preventative effect?
- Chris Holden
Legislator
Well, I think what we needed to do was make sure we had appropriate standards to give the universities an opportunity to, having met them, to be not held liable, as you heard our witness identify. But at some point that could be an outcome, intended or otherwise. But at the end of the. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but if we can tighten this up, which I think we have from last year to this year, I think we're in a position where hopefully the universities will see an appropriate recognition of how they can hold the affiliates accountable and yet protect themselves in the process.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Other questions or comments? Senator Stern?
- Henry Stern
Legislator
Yeah, thank you, Mister Chair. Thank you so much for bringing this back. I know we had similar debate on some of these issues last year, and a lot of the tough calls were made around this rebuttable presumption question, or if the University was making best efforts, how can they protect themselves? I'd love to get a sense from either you or the sponsors how things are going in terms of the clarification question that the opposition raised. And yeah, how far apart are you? It didn't sound like any major structural issues, but more so what is this going to be based on, current law or the new framework? And that they were trying to get some footing on that if I could.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
So with respect to that, we did get amendments, proposed amendments recently that were forwarded to me, and I've taken a look at them. And so that process is working through that. The first that I've heard about the timing of the law, I think that that may have been addressed, I might have overlooked it in a markup of the legislation that was proposed.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
And I would certainly agree that there should be absolute clarity as to when a law takes effect and when, whether or not it includes instances that happened before the law takes effect or not. So there needs to be that clarity. And if there's not, I don't think that anyone has any problem with making sure that there is, because all institutions need to make sure that they know where their liability might change.
- Henry Stern
Legislator
Sure. That's very helpful. And so just what I'm hearing from you, and I presume the author is want this to be a go forward framework, not a retroactive framework. Is that? Okay? Very helpful. Thank you. Especially for the novel stretching with the CAOC here. Look, this is tough territory, right? And I think it does take creativity and flexibility to get to this gray area of these entities.
- Henry Stern
Legislator
When it's a party off campus and terrible things are happening and kids lives are being lost, how do we get that University to really step in and go maybe above and beyond what current negligence law requires them to do and the resources that going to be asking of them to undertake. So I think it's only right that we manage that the liabilities that's going to go with that extra duty of care that we're going to be assigning. So I appreciate that. Hope you all can keep to work with that opposition and we can land this to get to a neutral place and get this Bill signed into law because our students need it anyway. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you Senator Stern. Let me just put this in a little bit of context. I know some of you are, Holden, you've been working on this for more than a year, more than two years, as a matter of fact. And this has come a very long way. And let me just point out that the concern about a rogue organization or rogue affiliation doing something that was out of character, that does not, at least as I read the language, that does not impute liability to the institution. You've included something that is very different in years gone by.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So for the educational institution I'm reading now from the analysis, had direct involvement in, or knew or should have known either actual or constructive knowledge or actually participated in the hazing practice of the organization. And the organization involved in the hazing was affiliated with the educational institution. This is very different than the language that we had before. An it's a fairly high bar for liability to be attached to the institution. At least that's my read of it. So I appreciate that. And having said that, if there are other questions or comments, I see none. Would you like to close?
- Chris Holden
Legislator
Well, first of all, I want to thank you, Chair, for your collaboration in this process as well. You know, I've got today, it just so happens to be a coincidence that my young legislators are here visiting the capitol, all graduates of high school, and will be entering college in the fall. If I could just have them just. You don't have to stand, but wave your hands.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
There we go. Thank you.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
These young folks are going to have an amazing college experience. They're going to have an opportunity to participate in all that represents the college experience. And these affiliates provide that kind of opportunity. They may pledge for sorority or fraternity, but we want to make sure that we have put in place in California strength and law.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
And as was pointed out, I think we have tried to go a novel route to be responsive to the Governor's concerns. And I look forward to this Committee moving the Bill forward. We will continue to have conversations with the opposition, as I have on all of my bills and to make sure that we are doing our very best to, I think, as someone mentioned, land the plane. I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right. We don't have a quorum. I am hoping for a quorum very soon. My self esteem is quickly being right impacted here.
- Chris Holden
Legislator
Can I just say one last thing, too? I want to thank also my witnesses, because I think that every time we present a Bill like this and present this Bill to a Committee, they come out and have to relive in front of the public pain and loss. And I appreciate the Committee's recognition of that, but I think they're growing a bit weary of this process. I know I would be and I know I am. So I hope that we can get this to a place where there's a sense of comfort that this institution has heard their concerns, and not just theirs, but for all the families that they're speaking to.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you Assemblymember. All right, so consistency is the hobgoblin of small mines. And so I'm going to go ahead and demonstrate that I don't have a small mine and call folks in the order in which they arrived versus the order in which we have a file. So that would mean that we would go with Assemblymember Wilson, then Haney, then Mckinnor, then Alvarez. So, Assemblymember Wilson, you win. Right.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
To my colleagues. I will be sure to be as brief as possible. And I wanted to make sure my witnesses arrived in the room. They're here. If you're ready, sir, I'm ready.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Go ahead.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. Senators, I'm pleased to present AB 2257 a bill designed to enhance the transparency, efficiency, and fairness of the rate-setting process for water and sewer services in California. At its core, AB 2257 is about fostering a constructive dialogue between public agencies and the people they serve.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Under existing law, Proposition 218 requires public agencies to provide advance notice to property owners, a public hearing for protests, and restrict the imposition of fees unless they represent the actual cost of services. However, the increase in Prop 218 litigation challenges local agencies' ability to set fair rates to cover operational and investment costs.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Often, these legal challenges come without prior objections being raised during the public comment period, leading to costly and unforeseen lawsuits that strain the financial resources of these agencies. This bill aims to resolve disputes early and reduce the frequency of litigation, which can be costly and time-consuming for both parties.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
AB 2257 represents a balanced approach to rate setting. This bill is about more than just procedural adjustments it's about ensuring our public agencies and our communities can work together more effectively to tackle the challenges we face. We've accepted all of the committee amendments, which prioritizes the public noticing process and requires a link to the fees written basis B provided. Importantly, this bill still protects the right to litigate against ongoing failures by an agency to implement rates in compliance with the substantive requirements of Proposition 218.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
This ensures that agencies cannot misuse fees for purposes other than those explicitly stated. With me today are Kristopher Anderson, senior state relations advocate at the Association of California Water Agencies, also known as ACWA, and Kaitlin Bursey, associate at Baker Manock and Jensen.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Floor is yours.
- Kristopher Anderson
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members. Kris Anderson on behalf of the Association of California Water Agencies and we are the sponsor of AB 2257. Public water and sewer agencies provide essential government services for the benefit of communities, agriculture, industries, and the environment.
- Kristopher Anderson
Person
These agencies are responsible for ensuring a consistent and reliable water supply, safeguarding the quality of drinking water, planning, constructing, and maintaining critical infrastructure, and much more. With climate change presenting unprecedented challenges, these agencies also must adapt and enhance aging infrastructure to mitigate the impacts of increasingly frequent and severe climate-related events.
- Kristopher Anderson
Person
Billions of dollars of infrastructure investments are necessary to ensure water supply reliability for future generations. Prop 218 places strict limitations on how agencies can raise revenue, and as a result, public agencies predominantly rely on revenue from service rates and assessments to finance their essential government functions.
- Kristopher Anderson
Person
While these agencies require financial stability to meet increasing demands, a rise in Prop 218 litigation is making it increasingly difficult to ensure agencies can pass fair and reasonable rates to cover the cost of operations and investments. Oftentimes, these suits are filed without first having raised concerns during the rate-making process.
- Kristopher Anderson
Person
These surprise lawsuits prevent public agencies from endeavoring to resolve the dispute and avoid litigation, and they also have the potential to undermine an agency's ability to maintain stable budgets necessary to operate effectively. This bill will bolster the existing rate-making process in order to enhance dialogue and transparency between public agencies and their customers.
- Kristopher Anderson
Person
The goal of this legislation is to shine sunlight on potential objections to proposed rates or assessments when agencies have the opportunity to address their concerns. Just want to thank the committee, the staff, certainly the author for carrying this bill, and also note a me-too in support for Padre Dam Municipal Water District.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Next witness.
- Kaitlin Bursey
Person
Good afternoon. Thank you, Mr. Chair and committee members. My name is Kaitlin Bursey and I'm an attorney with the Fresno-based law firm of Baker Manock and Jensen. And among other things, I help public agencies as they navigate the rate-making or assessment process and, if needed, help them defend their rates in litigation.
- Kaitlin Bursey
Person
Now, Proposition 218 imposes both procedural requirements and substantive limitations on the adoption of new, extended, or increased property-related fees or assessments for water or sewer service. Public agencies already are at a steep disadvantage if they find themselves defending their rates or assessments in a courtroom for a few reasons.
- Kaitlin Bursey
Person
First, under Proposition 218, the burden shifts from a plaintiff challenging the assessments or the fees to the public agency to demonstrate compliance with Proposition 218. Second, the standard of review. A trial court will exercise its independent review in a Proposition 218 case, meaning the agency is not entitled to deference.
- Kaitlin Bursey
Person
And third, in litigation, the agency's evidentiary universe is limited to the administrative record that was before the agency's governing body while it was making the decision on the proposed rate or assessment. Defending these fees or assessments in litigation becomes even more challenging if a ratepayer did not raise the issue with the proposed rate or fee during the rate-making process when the public agency's governing body and staff still could have done something about it, or at least answered questions or addressed the issue in more detail in their record before adoption.
- Kaitlin Bursey
Person
Now, the goal here is to help bolster public participation, develop sound and well-informed fees, and promote financial stability for public agencies. AB 2257 will help public agencies achieve that goal. Thank you for your time, and I'm happy to help the author in answering any questions.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Others in support please approach the microphone.
- Ross Buckley
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. Ross Buckley, on behalf of the City of Sacramento, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Kristian Foy
Person
Kristy Foy with Arnold and Associates, here on behalf of Three Valleys Municipal Water District, in strong support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Alyssa Silhi
Person
Alyssa Silhi, on behalf of the Cities of Santa Rosa, City of Carlsbad, City of Corona, City of Rancho Cucamonga, and Town of Hillsboro, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Jennifer Williams
Person
Jennifer Williams with the East Bay Municipal Utility District, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Jaime Minor
Person
Jaime Minor, on behalf of Eastern Municipal Water District, Santa Margarita Water District, and the California Stormwater Quality Association, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Lizzie Cootsona
Person
Lizzie Cootsona, here on behalf of the South San Joaquin Irrigation District. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Stanicia Boatner
Person
Stanicia Boatner, on behalf of the California State Association of Counties, in support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Dawn Sanders-Koepke
Person
Thank you. Dawn Koepke, on behalf of the California Council for Environmental and Economic Balance, CCEEB, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Marcus Detwiler
Person
Good afternoon. Marcus Detwiler with the California Special Districts Association, in support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, opposition, if you're opposed to AB 2257, please approach the microphone.
- Scott Kaufman
Person
Hello again, and hello, Members of the Committee. I'm Scott Kaufman with the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. AB 2257 requires nothing more of an agency than mailing the notice that is already required under Proposition 218, stating the amount of the charge on the basis of the computation, and then forecloses litigation for any property owner or ratepayer who fails to raise a specific legal objection within 45 days.
- Scott Kaufman
Person
Nothing in this bill requires an engineer's report, rate study, or any other documentation that would allow ratepayer to specify grounds upon the proposed rates might be invalid to be available for review during the notice period. Some water agencies may make these materials available during the 2018 notice period, but it is not required by law, and not all agencies do. And we fear should this bill become law, there will be a perverse incentive to not release them until the last possible minute.
- Scott Kaufman
Person
But even if this information is provided, 45 days is simply not enough time for a ratepayer to schedule a consultation with an attorney, have the attorney research whether there is a violation, find and retain an expert witness, have the expert prepare a report, and have an attorney to draft and submit a thorough objection preserving all legal theories.
- Scott Kaufman
Person
Further, there is already a 120-day limitations period that is really 75 days because there is an agency response period baked into it. That applies to water and sewer rates. That time frame, in our view, is already too short, and further limitations are just creating an impossible time trap by design.
- Scott Kaufman
Person
To further this point, I have brought Amy Sparrow, Senior Counsel for the Howard Jarvis Taxpayer Association, with me. She has 20 years of experience with Prop 218, representing both ratepayers and rate-making agencies. She will explain the real-life implications of this bill. I thank you, and ask that you oppose AB 2257.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All righty. Thank you very much. Next witness.
- Amy Sparrow
Person
Hi. Good afternoon. My name is Amy Sparrow, and on behalf of Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, and I'd like to discuss the impact this bill would have on due process by calling out my own experience with the City of Pasadena, which recently adopted new water rates. One of our members contacted me with concerns about the new Pasadena rates, so I went to the city's website expecting to find their rate study.
- Amy Sparrow
Person
In this case, Pasadena not only failed to post its rate study online, but incredibly, initially refused at the advice of their attorney to respond to my Public Records Act request for a copy of the report, which turned out to be over 100 pages long with charts, tables, graphs, and technical analysis, which is really required in order to evaluate the validity of water rates.
- Amy Sparrow
Person
The point that I'm making here is that agencies are not required to make these rate studies available in the absence of a Public Records Act request, and even then, they might not make that study available until after the new rates are adopted, at which point the courthouse door will have already slammed shut under this bill, which requires specific objections during a time period when the rate study need not be available to the public.
- Amy Sparrow
Person
So I'd really like to know, how does anybody expect ratepayers to voice specific objections to new rates without access to the technical rate study? So this just opens the door to a blatant violation of due process, and the legislative declaration that this bill is intended to provide, quote, 'a meaningful opportunity for ratepayers to present objections,' which is, quote, 'especially valuable in cases where evidence is highly technical' is quite frankly just painfully cynical.
- Amy Sparrow
Person
Yes, the evidence is highly technical, and that is exactly why rate studies should be available with adequate time for legal evaluation before the statute of limitations closes rather than afterward, as would be the case under this bill. Thank you for your time.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Others in opposition? Your name, your affiliation, your position.
- Stephanie Swela
Person
My name is Stephanie Swela, and I have done the 218 process as a ratepayer out in Rio Linda, Elverta. They do not have sewer.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Ma'am, your name?
- Stephanie Swela
Person
Stephanie Swela.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
And your affiliation?
- Stephanie Swela
Person
I am a ratepayer with the Rio Linda/Elverta Community Water District.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you. And your position?
- Stephanie Swela
Person
Okay. My position: I oppose. 218. It's my job to oppose it.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, let's bring it back to committee now. Questions by committee members? I do not see any questions by committee members. Assembly Member Wilson, would you like to close?
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Thank you. I appreciate the concerns that have been brought forth by the opposition and those concerns have been ongoing throughout this process and we've made adjustments accordingly because at the end of the day, my ability or my strong sense is to protect ratepayers as I'm working with trying to support our agencies that are providing a service to the ratepayers. And I appreciate the amendments, the thorough review from this committee, and have agreed to take those amendments. So with that, at the appropriate time, I'd ask for an aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All righty. Thank you very much. All right, thank you. We still do not have a quorum. We need two more members and then we will have a quorum. So let me just do a little housekeeping here. So here's how we're going to go.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Next, we're going to call upon--let's see, File Item Number 12 by Assembly Member Haney: AB 2747. Assembly Member Haney will also be presenting File Item Number 17: AB 3281, then followed by Assembly Member McKinnor with Item Number 23: AB 2833, and then we're going to get back on track with Assembly Member Alvarez with Item Number Three: AB 2326.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
After Assembly Member Alvarez, we'll go with Assembly Member Bryan and then Assembly Member Lee, then Assembly Member Maienschein. All right, so Assembly Member Haney, File Item Number 12: AB 2747.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair and members. AB 2747 will bring rent reporting up to standard practice by requiring some landlords to give tenants the option to opt into reporting their positive rent payments to a credit bureau agency. Credit scores are designed to reflect the good and the bad of a person's financial history. Usually, if a person misses a credit card payment, their score will go down and if they stay on top of their payments, their score will increase. However, this is not happening when landlords report rent payments to a credit bureau agency for most tenants.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Millions of renters around the state are paying their rent on time, yet they never see a positive impact on the credit scores unfairly, if they fall behind on the rent, they can at times have that negatively show up on their report and bring their scores down. Additionally, although credit scores are a fundamental part of living in the United States, only one in 10 Americans do not have a credit score. This is because this is not because they haven't been paying their bills on time, but because none of their monthly expenses are able to be used to build their credit. For those who have credit scores, millions of them have poor credit only because the bills they have to prioritize are not reported to credit the credit bureau. This will ensure that many more tenants have their positive rental history reported to credit bureaus.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
The most recent amendments removed opposition from the California Apartment Association and Association of Realtors, allowing landlords to collect a fee of $10 or the actual cost of rent reporting, whichever is less, from tenants, and exempt buildings with less than 15 units from the bill. I'm also looking at some of the suggested amendments from some of the tenant organizations and we'll be in conversation with them to help to address some of those questions and concerns if this bill is to move out. With me to testify in support of the bill, I have David Ramirez, the government relations committee chair for the UC Student Association.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Mr. Ramirez.
- David Ramirez
Person
Good afternoon chair Umberg and Senators. My name is David Ramirez. I serve as a government relations chair for the UC Student Association, representing over 230,000 undergraduate students at the University of California. I recently graduated from UCLA, which is where I currently live, in an off-campus apartment in one of the most expensive rental markets in the country.
- David Ramirez
Person
Last year, when I was searching for a lease, what became abundantly clear to me is that without a cosigner, I would be unable to qualify for any off-campus housing units despite having the means to pay for my rent. I've been renting an off-campus housing for the last year, but my rent payments have never shown up on my credit score. As I begin my life after graduation, I'm realizing how crucial having good credit is to buying a car and renting my first home after college.
- David Ramirez
Person
But one main consistent payment has never been reported to a credit bureau agency. Having my rent payments count towards my credit history would have made transition to post-college life much easier. College students often have low or non-existent credit scores and are denied housing due to their lack of credit history and credit scores.
- David Ramirez
Person
This impacts our most vulnerable students, which is our low-income, first-generation students who often cannot rely on their parents or guardians to serve as cosigners for their rental occupations. At UC alone, homelessness is at 8% system-wide and far more facing housing insecurity. Homelessness is far worse at the California community colleges and the California State universities.
- David Ramirez
Person
Additionally, many college students have no way to build credit while in college other than their on-time rental payments which they are already making due to their age and lack of credit history. College students tend to have lower credit scores, which are much more difficult to build. Many people do not apply for their first credit card until after college due to fears of ruining their credit, but for the majority of off-campus college students, all their on-time rental payments throughout college are currently doing nothing to build their credit score. This is why University of California students support AB 2747 which would allow many Californians, including many college students, who are currently living in large apartment complexes.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. If you'd wrap it up.
- David Ramirez
Person
Scores and to use their payments to account for their credit history. And I respectfully urge your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. All right, others in support of AB 2747, please approach.
- Chris Myers
Person
Chris Myers with the California School Employees Association in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in support. Seeing no one else approaching, opposition, if you're opposed to AB 2747 please please approach the microphone.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Yes.
- Tina Rosales Torres
Person
Ready?
- Tina Rosales Torres
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is Tina Rosales Torres with the Western Center on Law and Poverty. I'm a housing attorney and advocating on behalf of a majority of renters in California. We have a respectful unless amended position on this bill to remove the provisions exempting certain landlords from offering rent reporting.
- Tina Rosales Torres
Person
The exemption that the member referred to is one where this bill does not apply to rental properties that contain 15 or fewer units unless the landlords are more than owns more than one residential building, is a REIT, a corporation, or an LLC in which a member is a corporation. That is completely unworkable because it is nearly impossible for a tenant to determine if their property owner owns more than one building, and LLCs are not required to list their beneficial owners.
- Tina Rosales Torres
Person
So there's really no way to determine if this bill will apply to them or not. Furthermore, the 15-unit exemption language comes from an existing bill that was passed previous years by Assemblymember Bradford. And then this committee got another version of the bill passed to extend the sunset.
- Tina Rosales Torres
Person
And what's unique about that is it requires the 15-unit exemption only for affordable housing complexes, which most California residents do not live in affordable housing complexes. And the way that it's structured, it's really negligible and won't actually exempt anyone from the bill. However, using that language in this bill does have a significant impact on California renters.
- Tina Rosales Torres
Person
In fact, the way that this bill is written, it will exclude 72% of California renters who live in units with 20 or, excuse me, buildings with 20 or less units. 68% of San Francisco residents live in buildings with 20 or less units. So creating a law or an exemption that's supposed to help renters that actually excludes a majority of them, really just sets a bad precedent and shouldn't be replicated throughout this body. With that, we respectfully request that this provision be removed from the bill and your opposition. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much.
- Tina Rosales Torres
Person
Ooh. That was two minutes, right?
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
That's two minutes. There you go.
- Andrés Ramos
Person
Right. Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is Andres Ramos. I serve as legislative counsel with Public Advocates. We're a nonprofit law firm and advocacy organization that works with renters and renter advocates to strengthen the voices of renters in public policy and to advance renters' rights. We also respectfully are opposed unless amended on this bill.
- Andrés Ramos
Person
While we appreciate the author's goal to expand access to positive credit for renters, this bill, as written, will set a harmful precedent by continuing to treat renters differently based on how many units their landlord happens to own. This opens the door to excluding most renters from tenant protections for no fault of their own and threatens to undermine the effectiveness of tenant laws, other critical laws in recent years that protect renters don't do this.
- Andrés Ramos
Person
Imagine how less meaningful AB 1482 or the Emergency Rental Assistance program would have been if they didn't apply to 15-unit or less properties, and how many more Californians would be facing homelessness if they had been excluded from these critical protections for this arbitrary threshold. As my colleague indicated, it's also difficult to know which property owners this would apply to, since llcs don't have to disclose their beneficial owners. On a personal note, I'm a renter here in Sacramento. I live in a seven-unit building.
- Andrés Ramos
Person
The owner of my building is an LLC that I think owns multiple rental properties, but I have no idea if a corporation is a member of the LLC. So I don't know if this bill would apply to me and my neighbors, and it would be really difficult to figure that out. But I know for sure that LLC is not a, quote, mom-and-pop landlord. Lastly, I'd note that if you look at the analysis, renter organizations and renter advocates are opposed to this bill. We didn't agree to the 15-unit carve out nor we part of the negotiations.
- Andrés Ramos
Person
When renters are not at the table, our voices and needs get lost, and it's easy to horsetrade away our rights to the landlord lobby. We encourage the author, especially as chair of the Renters Caucus, to work with us early and ensure that renters have a meaningful seat at the table from the outset. Thank you for your consideration. For these reasons, we respectfully urge a no vote unless amended.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, others in opposition, please approach.
- Christopher Sanchez
Person
Christopher Sanchez with the California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation and the National Housing Law Project, respectful opposition.
- Patrick Moran
Person
Mr. Chair and members, Pat Moran with Aaron Read and Associates, representing the Southern California Rental Housing Association, in opposition. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, seeing no else approaching the microphone, let's bring it back to committee for questions by committee members. Questions by committee members. Seeing no questions by committee members. Would you like to close?
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Yes, thank you. This has been in effect for subsidized and affordable housing for some time. Thanks to Senator Bradford. This would be a large expansion of what I think is a very important program that offers tenants the opportunity to build their credit. But I like it to apply to 100% of tenants for sure. Absolutely.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
This is still progress. Millions more tenants would have this opportunity. And I think the exemption for the size is also because for the smallest of landlords, it may be hard for them to logistically figure out how to ensure the credit reporting. I think for the ones that have a property manager, that was why, from a policy standpoint, we decided to draw that line where we did. I still think it's an expansion of something that will help a lot of people. And with that, respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. We don't have a quorum. I've already remarked as to how it's impacting my self-esteem. If we get one more person, we will have a quorum. We do have 100% of the Republicans here, as noted previously. All right, thank you very much. Okay, next, we will have Assemblyember McKinner with item number 20.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
I have the.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Oh, you have two bills. I'm sorry. Yes, I apologize. Sorry to create that anticipation. Assemblymember Haney, go ahead. You've got another bill that's file item number 17, AB 3281.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
AB 3281 is the Judiciary Committee's annual Civil Law Omnibus Bill. Contains numerous minor updates to various code sections within the jurisdiction of the committee, saving the Legislature from having to consider dozens of additional bills. All the changes in the bill are fairly minor and generally clarifying in nature. These changes have been proposed by the several state agencies as well as NGO sources and are all consensus. This bill has no formal opposition. And at the appropriate time, respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you. If you're in support of AB 23, excuse me. Strike that. 3281, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approaching. If you're opposed, please approach. Seeing no one approaching. Questions by Committee Members? Seeing that there are none, would you like to close?
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair. At the right time, respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. All right. Now, at the right time, we will have a quorum, I'm hoping, and your bill will be moved. All right, thank you. Assembly Member McKinnor, this is file item number 23, AB 2833. Followed by Assembly Member Alvarez, followed by Assembly Member Bryan. Okay.
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
Good afternoon.
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
Good afternooon, Chair and Members of the Committee. I am here to present AB 2833, a bill that will provide comprehensive admissibility and confidentiality protections for all restorative justice processes that occur within the state. Currently, several restorative justice programs in California address the issue of confidentiality by entering into MOUs with local prosecutors offices and our law enforcement agencies.
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
These MOUs typically govern aspects of the program's operation, including confidentiality. They choose what is confidential and typically prevent information obtained during a restorative justice process for being used against the person who caused harm in future proceedings. However, not all organizations use MOUs, and it's incredibly labor intensive to negotiate and renegotiate these agreements.
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
It also leads to inconsistency across jurisdictions and result in a patchwork of understanding regarding confidentiality for California, rather than a comprehensive protection related to restorative justice processes. Additionally, these MOUs are highly subject to localized politics and thus in need of standardizing and guardrails that can come from well crafted legislation. With me here today is Danica with Initiate Justice. Thank you.
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
Good afternoon. Danica Rodarmel, on behalf of Initiate Justice, proud co-sponsor and member of the California Restorative Justice Policy Coalition. AB 2833 does seek to protect statements that are made during the course of a restorative justice process from being used in future court proceedings. That is in order to really encourage people who might be inclined to participate in a restorative justice process to do so fully and openly.
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
We know that restorative justice is most effective when people enter those processes and feel like they can truly share, be very accountable for actions that they have done, harm they may have caused, and for survivors to be able to share very openly and honestly about how they've been impacted by that harmony.
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
A lot of the conversation in the capital thus far about restorative justice has been centered on less serious cases and in educational settings. And I want to note that restorative justice is actually most promising in the most serious of cases, where in criminal cases in particular, defendants are discouraged from speaking and meant to remain silent, and survivors have very limited opportunity to ever be heard about their experience.
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
As a personal note, I'm the survivor of a woman who was raped in 1982. The man who was arrested for that rape has been civilly committed as a sexually violent predator, and I had an opportunity to do a victim offender dialogue with him last November, and I will share that that experience was very meaningful, in part because he was able to be very open and honest because he's already civilly committed. Right. There's nowhere else for him to go. There's really no more rights or access for him to lose.
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
And so there's really nothing that he could share in that space with me that could be used against him. But that's not the case for a lot of people. We want to encourage to be a part of these processes.
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
People do risk losing their further liberties or maybe being incarcerated for longer or being charged with the sex offense and labeled a sex offender. And none of those things actually help survivors to heal or have meaningful access to processes that may actually help them. So with that, I urge your aye vote on this bill.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. All right. Others in support?
- Anthony DI Martino
Person
Anthony Di Martino, on behalf of Californians for Safety and Justice and Crime Survivors for Safety and Justice, proud co-sponsors of the bill. Thank you.
- Grace Glazer
Person
Grace Glazer, on behalf of Valor US California Sexual Assault Coalition, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you very much. Others in support? Seeing no one else approach the microphone, let's turn now to the, oh, there we go. One more.
- Duke Cooney
Person
Last but not least, Duke Cooney on behalf of ACLU California Action, proudly support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2833 please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approach the microphone, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Comments by Committee Members? There are none. Oh, I'm sorry, Senator Niello.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Restorative justice can be very beneficial, I think, in particular with regard to juvenile justice, I think it can have a tremendously positive effect on juvenile offenders who are, who have reached probably a meaningful moment in their time and be able to make amends.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
My concern with regard to adults is what would keep an offender in dialogue with a victim of, in that restorative justice process to talk about other offenses that he or she committed and then absolve themselves from that being prosecuted under the terms of this bill?
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
It doesn't, I'm sorry, it doesn't go into detail about what happens during the media. We have a mediator for sure, and I'm sure that the mediator would guide them into talking about the one particular case, what happened to them, because it's used as also a therapy.
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
It's like not just punishing people, but also being able to heal the victim and the person that did the harm. But you have a mediator there, so they're talking about what happened to them. So I don't know about them going off on other crimes.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
And what would be the purpose of the legislation if the mediator keeps the conversation narrowly to what happened?
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
Because maybe whatever happened in the harm between the victim and the person that did the harm, maybe that wasn't brought up in their case. And so they start to talk about maybe what, you know, what happened leading up to the crime.
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
And so we just want them to be able to come and talk freely because they won't. They won't go through this if they feel like they're going to be charged. But we want them to, because it's a, we don't just want to punish people. We want to make sure they're healing.
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
And I think this is a way for them to heal and the victim to heal, because as we put people away, we don't want to just, we're not just in the punishing business. We always say that we rehabilitating folks. So I believe that this is a part of rehabilitation.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So thank you, Senator Niello. I think your witness wants to contribute here to that question. Do you have a further answer? It's an important question.
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
Yeah. I mean, nothing in the bill would prohibit somebody from being prosecuted from any other action if they were involved in any other crime or harm outside of what the topic of discussion is within that restorative justice process, even if they talked about it in there, would not stop people from being able to be prosecuted for that.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So let me ask a question. So if someone--this is a follow on to Senator Niello's question. So if someone in a session apologizes to the victim who's there and they have a colloquy, but the perpetrator says, and I'm also sorry for the other three murders I committed which have not been identified, have not been assumed, he not associated. Can that information be used in the prosecution of that individual?
- Danica Rodarmel
Person
After the amendments in Senate Public Safety, yes.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Okay. All right. Thank you. I don't know. Senator Niello, I don't know if you heard that answer. Did you? So the answer was that if a perpetrator reveals other crimes, at least as far as I understand, the amendments provide that information as to other crimes can be used for purposes of prosecution if, if they result in a life term. Okay. Meaning certainly certain specified crimes. All right. Thank you. All right. Other questions? Comments? All right. Thank you. Would you like to close?
- Tina Mckinnor
Legislator
I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. Thank you. We still don't have a quorum, but we will, I hope, soon. So thank you. At the appropriate time, there'll be a motion to vote. Okay, Assemblymember Alvarez, you're up next. Then Assemblymember Bryan. Item number three, we're back on track.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
AB 2326.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Glad to put you back on track, Mister Chair. Thank you. And Members, thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today and present. AB 2326. For decades, there have been attempts to address discrimination at our higher education institutions.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
However, a lack of compliance and accountability has occurred to address the seriousness and sensitivity of this type of activity.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
So last year, I, as Chair of the Joint Legislative Audit Committee, had a hearing in collaboration with the Assembly Higher Education Committee and the Senate Education Committee, where we learned that we must increase accountability for safe learning environment for our students.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
There was a 232-page system-wide report that we discussed at that Joint Hearing for several hours, and we found that campuses do not have a system in place to adequately respond to other misconduct that doesn't rise to the level of outright discrimination or harassment.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Additionally, the California State Auditor found that campuses lacked clear rationales for closing cases, causing us to question as to whether they should have investigated the allegations, which they never did. They just closed, in some instances, just closed those cases. Because of the fear that students have about their safety and a result of the Legislature's findings.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
I stand here proud author of AB 2326 because for the first time in the Legislature's history, we are hoping to bring oversight and compliance to this program. I'm also proud to be part of a package of other bills to attempt to do the same.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
This bill specifically identifies who is responsible within each public higher education segment for ensuring that campus programs are free from discrimination and who has the authority to oversee and monitor compliance with state and federal laws related to anti-discrimination.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
With this bill, we are creating a clear path so that our higher education, our colleges, our universities campuses are free from sex discrimination for students and for faculty and staff. I like to now turn it over to our witnesses. First, Kate Rodgers with GENup, and then Kathy Van Osten on behalf of AAUW.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you. Go ahead. You're getting your steps in.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
I was going to say, I promise this is the last time you'll all be hearing from me today. So, one last time. I'm Kate Rogers with GENup. We're proud to be the co-sponsors of AB 26 or 2326.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, unless you're living every day, I think it's pretty difficult to understand the culture surrounding sexual violence and harassment on college campuses. It's like, very easy to look at the Title IX system we currently have in place on paper and think everything is fine.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
But after three years at UCLA, I can confidently tell you that everything is not fine. Sexual violence feels like a lurking threat on campus, and that's because it is. One in four undergraduate women will become survivors by the time they graduate. And for students, that one in four is our classmates, our friends, or ourselves.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
And I understand the argument that our universities can't help us if we don't reach out. So, when I found myself on UCLA's Title IX website, staring at the file a report button, I thought of all the stories that I'd heard about the Title IX office doing nothing when they had a complaint. And I just closed that tab.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, nearly two years later, after a separate incident involving a faculty member that I described previously in this hearing, I did contact the Title IX office, and the representative I spoke with on the phone assured me that they would do something. And like I said, I never heard from them again.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
So, this is why students don't reach out for help. We don't trust that our Title IX offices will keep us safe now because they never have. Individual campuses have proven themselves incapable of holding themselves accountable.
- Kate Rodgers
Person
We need AB 2326 so that the Legislature, you all, can. With more transparency and oversight, lawmakers and advocates alike will have the tools that we need to protect California students. So, on behalf of Generation Up, I respectfully request your aye vote today. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Next witness.
- Kathleen Van Osten
Person
Good afternoon, Mister Chair and Members. Kathy Van Osten, representing American Association of University Women California, proud to sponsor this bill. And again, want to thank the Assemblyman for not only carrying this bill, but also asking for the audit. I think that was really incremental in advancing and moving Title IX forward.
- Kathleen Van Osten
Person
First of all, AAUW California, we've got 95 active members around the state, about 2,000 members at large. This has been a very important issue for us for a few years. We've been doing quite a bit of research, trying to figure out ways to try to move this needle on this law that's been in place for 52 years.
- Kathleen Van Osten
Person
And yet women, faculty, men, you know, people of all kinds are harassed, bullied, sexually assaulted, raped. For them to not have a place to go at their university is. It's unconscionable these days with all the heightened sensitivities. This should be in place. And there are some very good public higher ed institutions in California.
- Kathleen Van Osten
Person
My client, AAUW, one of our policy co-chairs, actually works on this issue at CSU Long Beach, and they have a fantastic program. But there's inconsistency. And the way that you're going to get that inconsistency, I'm sorry.
- Kathleen Van Osten
Person
The way that you're going to get that consistency is if you have folks at the highest levels of each institution paying attention, making sure their campuses are complying, that their local presidents, chancellors, what have you, are focused on this issue and making sure that they have the right people in place and making sure that complaints are being investigated and responded to.
- Kathleen Van Osten
Person
If you don't have those eyes on this issue at this point, this will never happen. These students are just going to be victims. So, we implore you, ask for your aye vote. Thank you very much. I'm leaving.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. All right, others in support.
- Vrinda Vutkri
Person
Vrinda Vutkri, on behalf of Lieutenant Governor Eleni Kounalakis in support.
- Lizzie Cootsona
Person
Lizzie Cootsona here on behalf of the California Faculty Association in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, others in support? Seeing no one else. Opposition. Opposition to AB 2326? Seeing no one approaching the microphone. Let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Seeing none. Would you like to close?
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Thank you, Mister Chair. And I once again want to thank Miss Rodgers for her testimony. I think it's really powerful. I hope you take away the seriousness of what we're trying to address with this and the other package of bills in the other bills, in the package on Title IX. Appreciate your aye vote when the right time comes. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you, Assembly Member Alvarez. All right, we do hope to have a quorum someday, so. All right. Assembly Member Bryan, right? For those of you who are watching, one of the challenges today is there are multiple committees being conducted right now, both in the Assembly and the Senate.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So, various Senators have either bills to present or have other responsibilities on other committees. So, thank you. Having said that, Assembly Member Bryan, floor is yours.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
Absolutely. Are we doing AB 3049?
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Whichever order you'd like to go in.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
We'll start with 3049.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
That's file item number seven, AB 3049.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
Just want to keep you all on your toes. Thank you, Mr. Chair and colleagues. Today I'm here to present AB 3049, a bill that has received unanimous bipartisan support thus far. I want to start by accepting the committee amendments and thanking the committee staff for their thoughtful work on this bill.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
A recent statewide survey conducted by Advokids and the Western Center on Law and Poverty revealed that many foster children in California, particularly those in rural counties, do not have an opportunity to meet with or speak to their court appointed attorney before the hearings. It's unacceptable. It's shameful. We can do better.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
Children in the child welfare system depend on their counsel to help them navigate an often traumatic and confusing dependency process. AB 3049 aims to improve our dependency court system by empowering a juvenile judge to continue a hearing if they find that a foster youth has had has not had an opportunity to consult with their attorney. The bill also codifies existing rules of court, which establish guidelines for court appointed attorneys, including require them to have sufficient contact with their minor or non-minor dependent clients.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
This is in alignment with guidance from the Federal Bureau of Children and Families, which states that attorneys must spend significant time with their clients to build a trusting and supportive relationship and to counsel clients on all legal matters. AB 3049 will bring accountability to the dependency court process and ensure that, when life altering decisions are made about a child, that decision is informed by the child's very own opinions and lived experiences.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
We've worked with various stakeholders, including the Judicial Council, to address concerns, as evidenced through today's committee amendments, and I remain committed to having conversations around any outstanding issues, if those still exist. Joining me to testify today are Margaret Coyne, Executive Director for Advokids, and Christopher Hernandez, Statewide Legislative Coordinator for California Youth Connection.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. The floor is yours.
- Margaret Coyne
Person
Thank you, Senator Umberg and Honorable Judiciary Committee. I'm Margaret Coyne, Co-founder and Executive Director of Advokids, a legal advocacy nonprofit, statewide legal advocacy nonprofit for children and youth in foster care. Since 2004, Advokids has provided the only free telephone hotline and legal services in California for anyone concerned about a child or youth in foster care.
- Margaret Coyne
Person
We manage over 700 cases annually involving over 1000 children. Our legal services are a critical legal lifeline for foster youth and relative caregivers and relatives of children in foster care. Very often they call Advokids because a child is at risk of experiencing or currently experiencing a traumatic event. The first questions my staff asks any caregiver who calls and any foster youth who call our hotline is, have you talked to the child's attorney?
- Margaret Coyne
Person
Because when a child is facing a traumatic event, as children and youth in foster care so often do, a child's attorney has quick and direct access to the juvenile court to seek protection of the child. Too often, what my staff hear every day from our caregiver and foster youth callers is, no, I didn't know that the child had an attorney, or no, I don't know their name, or yes, I knew they had an attorney. I reached out but have never heard back.
- Margaret Coyne
Person
Advokids collects data from every foster youth and caregiver who calls us and has for several years. And we ask every caregiver and foster youth caller whether or not they, the child in their care or the foster youth themselves has had contact with their appointed attorney. What's clear from the data we collect and from our statewide investigative report was that in many, many counties across the state, and again so often in rural counties, attorneys for children are failing to meet their basic obligations.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
If you'd wrap it up.
- Margaret Coyne
Person
Oh, sure.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Yes.
- Margaret Coyne
Person
One is to provide their contact information and let the foster youth or the caregiver know who they are and how to reach them. And two, to have some contact with them. So it is under the Welfare Institutions Code, Section 317 E 7, it is the court's obligation to protect...
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So you're urging an aye vote?
- Margaret Coyne
Person
Sorry?
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
You urge an aye vote, I assume.
- Margaret Coyne
Person
I do urge an aye vote. And just to say one last thing, please, Senator, is there's only one rule of court right now that provides any protection for children who aren't having contact with their lawyers.... It's not geared. The remedy is not for children or youth.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Okay. Next witness, please.
- Christopher Hernandez
Person
Hello, my name is. Yeah, okay. Hello, my name is Christopher Hernandez. I run the legislative department at California Youth Connection. CYC is a youth-led organization that develops leaders who empower each other and their communities to transform the foster care system through community organizing, legislation, policy, and practice change.
- Christopher Hernandez
Person
Our membership base is made up of 14 to 24-year-olds who are current and former foster youth from all across the state. CYC is in a unique position in child welfare because it has such an unmatched direct connection to young people who are currently or formerly in the systems we are talking about today.
- Christopher Hernandez
Person
Our advocacy this year has been centered on system accountability and protecting foster youth rights. When introducing this bill to our membership, they immediately supported the idea because of the legislation's direct connection to accountability. Meet Faith, or as the state may know her, Ariana. She was two when she was taken from her family.
- Christopher Hernandez
Person
Her visit stopped shortly after she was adopted and she turned 16 this year. It's been 12 years since she has had any contact with her family. I knew her as my younger sister, but now I'd probably consider her a stranger.
- Christopher Hernandez
Person
During our introduction to the foster care system, I had little to no support from my workers or assigned attorneys. Faith and I were navigating this system alone with no accountability to ensure we remained in contact or were placed together. If I had regular contact with an attorney, I would have understood what was happening.
- Christopher Hernandez
Person
Someone would have recognized the signs of separation, and someone would have fought on my behalf to ensure that I remained in contact with my little sister. This bill is a true step in the right direction for accountability. I should not have been expected to navigate or advocate for myself at ten but there was no accountability in place to ensure that I was meeting regularly with my assigned attorney. My story is one of thousands from across the state. CYC and I stand in support of this legislation because youth navigating this complicated system deserve an advocate who will truly fight for their rights. Thank you so much.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. All right, others in support, please approach the microphone.
- Rebecca Gonzales
Person
Rebecca Gonzalez, Western Center on Law and Poverty, in support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in support. Seeing no one approach the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 3049, please approach the microphone.
- Tracy Kenny
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and members. Tracy Kenny on behalf of the Judicial Council, we were opposed unless amended to the legislation as it came to this committee. We greatly appreciate the amendments that are proposed in the analysis and appreciate the work of the author and committee staff on beating us part of the way.
- Tracy Kenny
Person
It's still under review whether our opposition will be able to be removed. I do want to make very clear that the council absolutely shares all of the goals of this legislation. We were the sponsor of the original legislation requiring appointed counsel for children in these cases, and we think it's vital that they have zealous representation, because if their voices are not heard, then the courts can't make the best decisions in their best interests.
- Tracy Kenny
Person
We just question whether a systemic response is necessary or whether this is a more limited problem. And we want to ensure that the communications between the judge and the child before them in court are the most productive and comfortable for that youth in that situation. So we will be taking these amendments under review and continuing our conversations. We appreciate all the effort.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Others in opposition? Seeing no one approache the microphone. Let's bring it back to committee. Committee questions? Comments? Seeing none. All right.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
Co-authors? I can see. It in your eyes.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Yes. Assemblymember Bryan, just to be sure, you've accepted the committee's amendments?
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
Yes, sir.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. Would you like to close?
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
Absolutely. I mean, this bill came about because we were informed about a statewide issue where there are many, many kids who have court-appointed attorneys but have not had contact with them in the last six months. There are many instances where those attorneys are going and advocating for children with whom they have not talked to. And we can do better. I think we have a responsibility to do better, and this bill is a step towards helping us do better. I respectfully ask for your aye vote, should you ever have a quorum.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Should we ever have a quorum. Thank you very much for that caveat. All right, thank you. You've got another bill. Item number six, AB 2046.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
Thank you, Mister Chair and colleagues. AB 2046 extends the sunset date for the authorization of single gender schools and classes in Los Angeles. In 2017, AB 23 unanimously passed to allow LA USD to continue operating its pilot program to address specific educational goals and have a biannual evaluation to track the results.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
These schools were established to support educational equity by increasing the representation of women and young girls and minorities in STEM and leadership roles. The evaluations during the pilot period were impacted significantly by the Covid-19 pandemic. Extending the sunset date allows for a more comprehensive and uninterrupted evaluation of the programs long term impacts.
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
AB 2046 will maintain all original provisions, including biannual evaluations, to ensure ongoing accountability. It will also make evaluation findings publicly available on the school district website to increase transparency. To give testimony, I am joined today by. By Anna Ioakimedes, representing LAUSD. This Bill and the State Assembly passed through completely on concurrence, and I respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you. Please approach.
- Anna Ioakimedes
Person
Good afternoon, Chair Umberg and Members. Anna Ioakimedes on behalf of Los Angeles Unified School District. Los Angeles Unified is proud to sponsor Assembly Bill 2046, which will extend the sunset date of a pilot program authorizing school districts with a daily attendance over 250,000 students to offer single gender educational options.
- Anna Ioakimedes
Person
Los Angeles Unified was first authorized to offer this option in 2017. With the passage of AB 23. We have implemented three of these educational opportunities for students, each focused on STEM education and leadership opportunities. Los Angeles Unified is also the authorizer for the Girls Academic Leader - excuse me, the Girls Athletic Leadership School, a charter school focused on health and wellness for middle school girls. Pursuant to AB 23, Los Angeles Unified has contracted with an independent third party research firm to conduct evaluations every two years of its pilot program. The results are promising.
- Anna Ioakimedes
Person
Students frequently outperform their peers at matched coeducational schools and report higher levels of feelings of belonging and acceptance at their school than the district average or average of peer schools. The analysis revealed that these schools and classes are accepting and supporting of LGBTQ students. While these early research reports are promising, the three evaluations conducted thus far were substantially impacted by the disruptions of the Covid-19 pandemic.
- Anna Ioakimedes
Person
For this reason, we believe it is appropriate to extend the authorization for the pilot program to allow for a longitudinal assessment that is not impacted by a public health crisis. Los Angeles Unified is committed to ensuring all of our students receive this option to choose their best educational setting so they can thrive in college, career and life. And these schools are providing that option for students and families who choose to enroll there. For these reasons, we respectfully request your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty. Thank you for your testimony. Others in support of AB 2046, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approach the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed. AB 2046, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approach the microphone. Questions by Committee Members. Seeing no questions or yes, I do.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
I don't really have a question, but we still don't have a quorum. But I got you when this one comes up, and we do have a quorum.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Okay, so Senator Ashby has you. All right. Would you like to close?
- Isaac Bryan
Legislator
I appreciate the Senator from Sacramento always having me. And this is a bipartisan Bill just to extend the sunset in LA USD. We've got to make sure that we're accounting for the delays that Covid-19 had in our evaluation processes. This is one of those Bills, I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. All right. At the appropriate time, I expect there'll be. There is a motion. There will be a motion. All right, let's now turn to Assemblymember Lee, then Assemblymember Maienschein, and then Assemblymember Papan. So, Assemblymember Lee, we still don't have a quorum. I don't know if people are listening, but I might have mentioned we don't have a quorum. We would like to have a quorum. If people show up, we will have a quorum.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Mister Chair, something that Chairman Dodd did at Geo Committee last week when we had a similar situation. After every Bill, he called out by name the Assemblymembers who should be here who are not here.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
That is an excellent suggestion. I don't. You know, we're casting aspersions and the other Senators are actually in other Committee hearings. But your suggestion is well taken. All right, thank you, Assemblymember Lee. File a number. 20 AB 3031.
- Alex Lee
Legislator
That's right. Well, thank you so much, Mr. Chair and Senators. I want to start by thanking your Committee staff for working with my office on the bill. And I commit to taking the suggested amendments in the next Committee, which is G.O., Government Organization.
- Alex Lee
Legislator
The bill creates the LGBTQ plus Commission in state government to serve as a state level focal point for the wide range of issues facing. Facing the LGBTQ plus community and will serve as a valuable voice for the Legislature to consider policies that impact our state.
- Alex Lee
Legislator
It will be tasked with identifying the statewide needs of the LGBTQ plus community and providing assistance in policy implementation. In addition, the Commission will collect data and information to report to the governor and the Legislature with recommendations, policies that address the needs of our community.
- Alex Lee
Legislator
The amendments the bill is modeled after existing commissions, particularly the Commission on the Status of Women and Girls. As a state and society, I believe we have made strides to celebrate and encourage the values of every person, but the job is never done, and this Commission seeks to further that.
- Alex Lee
Legislator
And I ask for your aye votes when the time comes. With me today, I have two witnesses, Alice Kessler, who is representing Equality California, and Allie Hughes, representing BAYMEC.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Floor is yours.
- Alice Kessler
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Members. Alice Kessler. I'm here on behalf of Equality California and we're strongly in support of this bill. You know, there are a lot of areas, as the Assemblymember mentioned, that we at Equality California have worked on in terms of advancing civil rights legislation in the state.
- Alice Kessler
Person
But the implementation of a lot of those programs is a daunting challenge in a state as big as ours, with as diverse of an LGBTQ plus community as we have, and we think having this body that will give attention.
- Alice Kessler
Person
You know, there are lots of issues that deserve attention in California, but we've seen some really troubling figures and statistics coming out. One I just wanted to share quickly is that between 2021 and '22, there were over 391 reported hate incidents motivated by sexual orientation bias in California, and that's a 29% increase since the previous year.
- Alice Kessler
Person
So we're seeing these things on the rise, and we need more attention, more resources, and more dedication from our state to solve these problems. So would respectfully request your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Allie Hughes
Person
Good afternoon, Senators. My name is Allie Hughes. I'm representing BAYMEC. First of all, happy pride month. So I'm the secretary to BAYMEC's executive board of directors, and BAYMEC is one of the nation's largest and oldest organizations representing and empowering the LGBTQ plus community. And we're based in the Bay Area. So, as you may know, the state of California does not currently have a Commission advising on policies that relate to the well being of adult LGBTQ plus persons.
- Allie Hughes
Person
And I firmly believe that California's queer community deserves a space where our voices are elevated and empowered, as well as the opportunity to work with the California State Legislature to address issues that particularly affect our community. California's LGBTQ plus community is beautifully diverse, representing every culture, background, ethnicity, religion.
- Allie Hughes
Person
And unfortunately, we've seen hundreds of anti LGBTQ plus and anti Trans bills introduced in other state legislatures across the country. So the timing is. It's very timely that this Commission will offer invaluable opportunities to be able to work with the Legislature to create policies that positively elevate our community and as well as working to address issues that negatively impact us. Creating and protecting spaces for the LGBTQ plus community is necessary as we strive to create a better California for all. I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Others in support of AB 3031, please approach the microphone.
- Lizzie Cootsona
Person
Lizzie Cootsona here, on behalf of the California Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, in support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Joshua Gauger
Person
Josh Gauger on behalf of the County of Santa Clara, in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Nicholas Weiss
Person
Afternoon, Chair and Members. Nicholas Weiss, deputy legislative director with the California Department of Insurance, under the leadership of Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara. In support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, others in support? Seeing no one else approaching, let's turn to opposition. If you're opposed to AB 3031, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approach the microphone, let's bring it back to Committee. Questions by Committee Members? By the way, let me thank you very much, Senator Caballero. Senator Caballero is here. Thank you. All right, other questions? Questions, comments? Seeing no questions. No comments. Assemblymember Lee, would you like to close?
- Alex Lee
Legislator
I ask for your aye vote when the time comes.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right. Will do. Next, we have Assemblymember Maienschein, then Assemblymember Papan. Actually, we don't have any authors here, so if somebody shows before Assemblymember Maienschein, then they will be able to walk right up to the podium and present their bill.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So I misspoke. Assemblymember Papan's item number 20, file item number 25 has been pulled for today, will be heard a later date. So that would mean that after Assemblymember Maienschien, there would be Assemblymember Petrie-Norris, followed by Speaker Emeritus Rendon.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Assemblymember Maienschein, you're up. Okay, thank you. File number 22. AB 2935.
- Brian Maienschein
Legislator
Thank you so much, Mister Chair and Members, I want to begin by accepting the amendments as proposed in the analysis. AB 2935 is important legislation to protect foster youth. Foster youth are especially vulnerable to having their identities stolen due to the large number of people who have access to their personal information.
- Brian Maienschein
Legislator
Each time a foster child changes placements, additional individuals gain access to their information, including their Social Security number. Children have always been an attractive target for identity thieves because their credit reports are clean and are often left unmonitored for many years, providing ample time to cause substantial damage to the child's credit.
- Brian Maienschein
Legislator
Once a foster youth reaches 14, or if they come into the system after the age of 14, current law requires county welfare departments to check with the three credit bureaus to see if a credit report exists. Because children should not have credit reports, the existence of a report is likely the result of fraud.
- Brian Maienschein
Legislator
However, our current laws only come into play after a youth has been victimized. This Bill seeks to prevent identity theft in the first place by requiring the credit bureaus to automatically freeze an individual's credit reports when they receive an inquiry from a county welfare Department regarding a foster youth. Placing the automatic freeze will provide.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
I'm sorry, Assemblymember Maienschein. I've never done this before.
- Brian Maienschein
Legislator
It doesn't bother me at all. I completely concur with what you're about to do.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
So. But I apologize. Madam Secretary, please call the roll for purpose of establishing a quorum.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]. You have a quorum.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
We have a quorum. No applause. All right. So thank you very much. I'm sorry.
- Brian Maienschein
Legislator
Thank you. Just to conclude that placing the automatic phrase will prevent nefarious actors from being able to open accounts in a child's name. And my witness is in another hearing, so.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right, so your witness is somewhere else.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Correct.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Is there anybody here that wants to offer 'Me Too' testimony in support of this Bill? Seeing none. Anybody here in opposition?
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
We support about what the Assemblymember said about the importance of protecting the youth and their credit reports. Where we would suggest an amendment is we don't believe that a freeze should be lifted automatically at age 18. We believe it's more important to make sure that that information remains sealed.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
But if the person wants it unfrozen, they have the ability to do that. It is very easy to do it. If you go online, all the credit bureaus, you just type in, unfreeze your credit report, all the information comes up, how you can do it. So we think it's much better to have the person opt in to say they want their freeze removed, as opposed to automatically refusing it, excuse me, of lifting it. For those reasons, we are opposing the Bill. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right, thank you. Anybody else in opposition? Seeing none, let's pull it back to the Committee for questions, comments, concerns? Seeing none, can I. First of all, I'd love to be a co author if possible. And I'd love to see somebody actually make a motion. Senator Allen, thanks for participating. So, we have a motion with that. Would you like to close?
- Brian Maienschein
Legislator
Yes, I would actually even love to close. I appreciate the support, Mister Chair. The response is fairly disingenuous about foster kids being able to very easily do this. Of course they can't. And that's why they're the victims of identity theft so often. And they've already, with all the hurdles that they face, to then have them try to navigate. And I don't know if anyone in this room has ever tried to navigate an identity theft or had a relatively. What a complete and total nightmare it is for people with resources. To imagine an 18 year old foster kid or trying to do it is outrageous. So with that, I respectfully request an aye vote.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Okay, and the recommendation is.
- Committee Secretary
Person
Due passed as amended to Senate Human Services.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Okay, due passed as amended to Human Services. So with that, let's call roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item number 22, AB 2935. The motion is due passed as amended to Senate Human Services. [Roll Call]. You have six to zero right now, with Members missing.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right, six to zero, and we will leave it open for Members to add on. Oh, his other one's on consent, huh?
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
It doesn't seem right. You just got here, and you get to present. But file item 29, AB 2004, Assemblywoman Petrie-Norris. The recommendation is do pass as amended to Local Government. And with that, the floor is yours.
- Cottie Petrie-Norris
Legislator
Well, thank you, Mr. Vice Chair and Members. I'm here to present AB 2004. This bill will make minor changes to improve remote online notarization in California. I want to thank the committee staff for all of your hard work, as well as the Secretary of State's office for their collaboration on this bill, and we will be accepting the committee's proposed amendments. As you may recall, last year California established a legal framework for remote online notarization.
- Cottie Petrie-Norris
Legislator
Unfortunately, this framework did not consider the constraints of 13 California counties that are not currently equipped to accept electronic documents for recording purposes. So this bill will make changes to enable all counties to integrate electronic notarizations into their process. We have been working closely with the Secretary of State's office to resolve their concerns. This is a clarifying measure to ensure that our online notary system works as intended in all counties in the State of California. I'd now like to introduce Anthony Helton, who is joining us on behalf of the California Land Title Association.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Wonderful. You have two minutes.
- Anthony Helton
Person
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair and Members. Anthony Helton with California Land Title Association. AB 2004 is a straightforward measure just intended to create a process by which remotely notarized documents, which inherently exist in electronic format, can be converted to paper for the purpose of being recorded in real property records.
- Anthony Helton
Person
Legislation follows the example of 35 other states that provide for the papering out of remotely notarized documents. It was drafted in coordination with the National Notary Association, and, as proposed to be amended, reflects the product of a thoughtful and deliberate dialogue with the office of the Secretary of State to preserve the core intent of the bill while maintaining notary's presence in the certification process, but in their traditional role as that of an impartial witness in document signings.
- Anthony Helton
Person
The certification process under AB 2004 is simple, secure, and would enable the residents of 13 California counties that today only accept paper documents for recording to benefit from RON as an option when they look to have documents notarized. Separately, in recognition of the fact that RON makes technical defects, in an acknowledgement less likely to occur, but in some cases harder to detect.
- Anthony Helton
Person
AB 2004 would shorten the time at which harmless errors made and the acknowledgement of real property related documents are cured, thereby decreasing the likelihood that a homeowner would have to undertake the time and expense of actively correcting the error.
- Anthony Helton
Person
In tandem, we believe these provisions offer substantial benefit to Californians, particularly for residents in the more rural areas of the state, and that they will help provide individuals with greater choice in how they can have their documents notarized. Happy to answer any questions that the committee may have as best I can. Thank you for your time. Respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Great. Thank you. Any other witnesses in the room in support? Name, organization.
- Timothy Cromartie
Person
Mr. Chair and Members, Tim Cromartie on behalf of Secretary of State Dr. Shirley N. Weber. We previously had a position of opposed unless amended. With the committee amendments, I'm here to confirm that we are pleased to remove opposition to the bill.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, sir.
- Matt Roman
Person
Matt Roman with Niemela Pappas and Associates here on behalf of Proof, here in support of the measure.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, sir.
- Indira Mc Donald
Person
Indira McDonald here on behalf of the California Mortgage Bankers Association in support.
- Emily Udell
Person
Good afternoon. Emily Udell with the California Credit Union League in support.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you. Anyone here in opposition? Seeing none, we'll pull back to the committee. Questions, comments, concerns? Senator Allen, did you make a motion? All right. Senator Allen's made a motion. Assemblywoman, you may close.
- Cottie Petrie-Norris
Legislator
Thank you. I'll just close by respectfully asking for your aye vote. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you. Very well done. And with that, I already said what the recommendation was. I already forgot it. But we're going to keep moving on, so call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item 29 AB 2004. The motion is do pass as amended to Senate Local Government. [Roll Call] Six to zero.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Six to zero. We'll leave that open for Members to add on.
- Cottie Petrie-Norris
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you, Senator.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you. And what's the recommendation? Just do pass?
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Apologies are good.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right. Yeah. It's restorative justice. Okay, I'm going to forgive you. All right. Up next is File Item 35: AB 866 by Assemblywoman Rubio. The recommendation is: do pass to the floor, and with that, the floor is yours.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Senators. AB 866 is a continuation of our efforts to further protect our foster youth, especially in the face of our ongoing opioid crisis. Just last year, the state revised restrictions on federally approved opioid use disorder treatments, which can be administered outside of a clinical setting.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
This allowed youth 16 years of age and older to seek treatment without the stigma or fear often associated with seeking said support. In cases of opioid addiction, receiving timely and accessible treatment is, without exaggeration, a matter of life or death.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Since the passage of AB 816 last year, our colleagues representing foster youth in the legal system have found that there is uncertainty in the application of the law, leaving foster youth without the same treatment certainty as those outside of the foster care system.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
These same youth often have trauma histories that have arisen from both within and outside of the system, resulting in especially dangerous addiction circumstances. Additionally, many of these youths have genetic and environmental risk factors that increase their chances of said addiction and overdose.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
While this is tragic, we even need legislation such as this, or its predecessor for that matter. The reality is that by ensuring foster youth have access to these treatments, lives will be saved. By clarifying the role of court oversight in these cases, this measure provides certainty for foster youth who could benefit from and proactively seek medically assisted treatment just like others outside of the foster care system.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
I want to reiterate, this measure simply ensures that foster youth can receive the same treatment as youth outside of the foster care system as already allowed by current law. This measure has a coalition of foster youth advocates in support and has no opposition. With me today, on behalf of our sponsor, is Ann Quirk, a policy attorney with Children's Law Center of California. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All righty. Under committee rules, you have two minutes, and whenever you're ready, go ahead.
- Ann Quirk
Person
Good afternoon, Committee Members. I am Ann Quirk, Policy Attorney at Children's Law Center of California, the largest children's legal services organization in the nation, advocating for over 25,000 children and youth in the dependency system in Los Angeles, Sacramento, and Placer Counties.
- Ann Quirk
Person
We're proud to sponsor AB 866 and are grateful for Assembly Member Rubio's partnership in ensuring older foster youth suffering from opioid addiction receive the care and treatment they need. It's heartbreaking to lose a teenage client, and we've lost far too many both to overdose and to the dangers and violence that often accompany opioid addiction.
- Ann Quirk
Person
This bill will clarify that older foster youth can get the medical treatment they need right away. Anyone who has up-close experience with addiction, either their own or loved ones knows how short that window can be when somebody will take help. The court process does not move quickly. It can take weeks, even months.
- Ann Quirk
Person
We don't have that kind of time. The consequence of not getting timely access can be devastating. It means that drug abuse continues along with the dangers of it. In addition to the risk of overdose and death, opiate addiction is expensive. Predators take advantage of these young people's desperation, and they exploit them in exchange for providing drugs.
- Ann Quirk
Person
Getting help is intimidating. Currently, our 16 and 17-year-olds can consent to medically assisted treatment by themselves, but may do so in secret. This bill clarifies that the young person can seek help from their social worker, their CASA, their attorney, without requiring their struggle with addiction to become a part of their permanent court file.
- Ann Quirk
Person
They can also be open with their doctor about being in foster care so that a treatment plan can be individually tailored to best meet their needs and ensure safe placements. I want to once again thank Assembly Member Rubio for authoring this important legislation and would request your aye vote.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you very much. Anyone else in the room that want to add their voice in support of the bill? Please come forward. Name, organization, and position.
- Lizzie Cootsona
Person
Lizzie Cootsona, California Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the California State Association of Psychiatrists, in support.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you.
- Kat Besse
Person
Kat Besse with the California Alliance of Child and Family Services, in support.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you.
- Elizabeth Espinosa
Person
Good afternoon. Elizabeth Espinosa, on behalf of the County of Santa Clara, in support. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you very much. Anyone in the room in opposition? Seeing none, pull it back to the committee. Questions--oh. Senator Niello.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
I'm a little unclear with regard to the current situation. Presumably the threshold is 18 because that's the age at which they become adults, but what currently happens with foster kids between 16 and 18?
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Thank you for the question. So currently, the law was changed to allow 16 and 17-year-olds to consent to seek treatment, and those are, I'm going to call them 'regular kids.'
- Roger Niello
Legislator
You mean outside the foster care--
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Outside the foster care system, we can do that. In the foster care system, they have to go get approval by either the court, but social workers have to take it to a judge to be able to obtain this kind of treatment because they're in the foster care system. So regular kids, 16 and 17-year-olds, can just go and get treatment while the foster kids can't. And so we're trying to align that.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
I get that. I view the two populations as being somewhat different, but nonetheless, what has happened with regard to foster kids between 16 and 18? Do we have data on that?
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Do we have any of that data available?
- Ann Quirk
Person
It's just been a year, so we don't. It hasn't even been a full year yet, so we don't have the data on it. What--
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Maybe you didn't understand my question. It's been a year on the allowance for kids outside the foster system. I get that. But the existing case has been the situation all along for foster kids between 16 and 18 cannot provide their own permission.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Do we have data on what's happened with those kids relative to treatment for drug abuse? Have they been able to readily get approval from a social worker, a foster parent, or the court or otherwise, or are there significant problems with that population?
- Ann Quirk
Person
Well--
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
If I may, just--she can answer the more technical questions, but they have to go through court and, you know, that doesn't happen overnight. So, you know, we have to go petition and then it takes anywhere between, you know, a month to six, sometimes eight months to get that kind of approval when a regular child can just go and get it.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
So what we're trying to do, and I know you understand that part, but just want to reiterate that this would be just simply saying to the social worker, I think I want treatment, and then they can just go do it as opposed to having to go through the court system, which can take, again, impacted court system can take anywhere between two, six, or eight months for them to get that kind of treatment.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
So that's why, without exaggeration, I am saying that if this doesn't happen, some of these kids can die because if they're ready to seek treatment, it's because they're already at that point, the lowest point in their life that they can be.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
I can see that with foster kids. I'm going to support the bill, but not because I support the capability for those not in the foster system. I do not.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Absolutely.
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Kids cannot, I believe--well, it's hard for anybody to go through to get off drug addiction on their own. Kids who are adults. I completely disagree with the policy that was approved before for kids--not in the foster system--in presumably normal homes, have parents, they need their parents with them. I'm not approving this to make it consistent. I don't think it should be. The foster child situation is different because of their circumstances.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Absolutely, and I can appreciate that. I can tell you as a schoolteacher, I taught for 16 years, and sometimes the kids are in the same boat with their parents. So sometimes some of those kids can't seek treatment because their parents are in the same situation of addiction.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
It tends to be that drug addiction, and not in all cases. Especially now, we know that that's not the case, but for in the past, the reason kids are addicted is because either they have parents that are addicted or they have family situations where they are addicted, and to your point, the foster kids are different.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
And I appreciate that it's not because you're aligning it, but because we understand that the foster kids have a whole different set of issues, and I don't have data in front of me, but I can tell you just anecdotally that foster care kids have way more issues than quote unquote, 'normal kids.'
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
And so for me, it's a matter of trying to give them options to be able to seek treatment. Some of these kids can be on the street. You know, we know that some foster kids are on the streets, and even though they're in the system, they're not necessarily in the house. So this is the attempt to be able to at least provide some kind of treatment for them aside from the regular kids. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
I don't think we have anything for you. I think she answered it sufficiently. Correct, sir?
- Roger Niello
Legislator
Beg your pardon?
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
She answered the question? Okay. With that, looking for a motion. Thank you, Senator Allen. And so, you may close.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Thank you. You know, I respectfully ask for an aye vote. Hope that I did answer the questions. If you require some more data, we would send that to you. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Great. Let's call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is File Item Number 35: AB 866. The motion is: do pass. [Roll Call].
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Six to zero. We'll leave that open for members to add on.
- Committee Secretary
Person
Assembly Member Berman is presenting for Assembly Member Wood.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Oh, okay. Right now we're going to move to file item 33, AB 2202. It's authored by, I guess, Speaker Pro Tem Emeritus Rendon, but being presented by Assemblyman Berman. And you look, you look pretty chipper today. Good for you. And with that, you may open whenever you're ready.
- Marc Berman
Legislator
It's good to see you again, Senator Wilk, Chair Wilk. I'm here today on behalf of speaker emeritus Anthony Rendon, to present AB 2202. AB 2202 would require that short term vacation rentals disclose any requested cleaning requirements they have to consumers prior to booking.
- Marc Berman
Legislator
It would also require that any fees or penalties consumers might face for failing to complete these tasks be disclosed in advance. Thanks to the good work of this Legislature, California has required that any taxes or fees consumers must pay at vacation rentals be outlined during the booking process.
- Marc Berman
Legislator
But cleaning tasks, meaning the chores that short term vacation rental owners ask guests to do before they check out, remain unclear and unregulated. These cleaning duties, which may include stripping sheets, starting laundry or vacuuming, can be onerous and unexpected. These chores are also often on top of substantial cleaning fees.
- Marc Berman
Legislator
And if you ever look at the cleaning fees, are astronomical that consumers pay to stay at these properties. Californians deserve more clarity about what chores they are being asked to do during their stay at short term vacation rentals.
- Marc Berman
Legislator
They should also be aware in advance of what penalties they might face if they're unable to complete these tasks before they leave. And here to speak in support of this bill is Robert Herrell, executive director of the Consumer Federation of California.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, sir. Welcome. And you have two minutes, sir.
- Robert Herrell
Person
I won't need two minutes.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Even better.
- Robert Herrell
Person
Mr. Vice Chair, Members, Robert Herrell, executive director of the Consumer Fed of California. The pinch hitting author is being humble because this is actually building on his Bill AB 537 of last year, which CFC sponsored. We are in support of this bill.
- Robert Herrell
Person
I don't need to tell you, in addition to sometimes outrageous cleaning fees to stay at a VRBO or an Airbnb, which a lot of people are getting frustrated by, they also have to basically clean the place to a degree that begins to approximate what a professional cleaner would do, doubling that frustration.
- Robert Herrell
Person
This just lets you know upfront the tasks that you need to accomplish. I've heard that, I would never pretend to speak for the speaker emeritus, but I've heard the story often enough.
- Robert Herrell
Person
He and I think his members of his family had a vacation rental and found kind of the day that they were checking out this massive binder with these very specific instructions of what had to be done, in addition to a sizable cleaning fee that they already had to pay for the rental.
- Robert Herrell
Person
That I think epitomizes the problem here. People should know upfront, and let's also avoid this game between the platform and the individual host about, no, you should tell them. No, you should tell them. They both have responsibility.
- Robert Herrell
Person
But I think ultimately the platform should be responsible to make sure that you know as a consumer before you get in. Here's what I'm going to need to do. Here's what it's going to cost. We think that's common sense fairness, and we would urge an aye vote. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. Other witnesses in support? Me too witnesses? Opposition?
- Alyssa Stinson
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Vice Chair, and Committee Members. My name is Alyssa Stinson. I'm the senior government affairs manager for Expedia Group in California. Expedia Group is a family of travel plans, including expedia.com, hotels.com, and vacation rental leader Vrbo. We are here today to respectfully oppose AB 2202 unless amended to address our concerns.
- Alyssa Stinson
Person
We've had several positive conversations with the author's office over the last few months, but have thus far not been able to reach a complete resolution. Our primary goal is to ensure that there is clear delineation between the responsibilities for hosts and those of platforms.
- Alyssa Stinson
Person
Much like local ordinances that regulate short term rentals, we support efforts to increase consumer transparency in the booking process and understanding the concerns from the author regarding short term rental cleaning tasks and the checkout processes.
- Alyssa Stinson
Person
That said, the cleaning tasks and policies and any associated fees for short term rental are determined by each individual host, not the platforms. Hosts do not universally provide this information to platforms, and the current bill would make hosts and platforms jointly liable for not disclosing the information.
- Alyssa Stinson
Person
In closing, we are not here to diminish the issue that speaker emeritus experienced with his family, that the Committee should have received a list of the issues that we would like to see considered by the author before this bill moves forward, and are happy to discuss them if interested. Thank you for your consideration.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in opposition to AB 2202?
- Beverly Yu
Person
Mr. Chair, Members. Beverly Yu, on behalf of Booking Holdings, we would align our comments with my colleague from Expedia. We have an opposed unless amended position. Look forward to continuing our discussions with the author's office. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Camille Wagner
Person
Camille Wagner with Airbnb. Also unfortunately in an opposed unless amended position, but looking forward to resolution. Thanks.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, anyone else in opposition? Seeing no one else approach the microphone, let's bring it back to Committee for questions, comments. Senator Durazo moves the bill. All right. Did what? All right. Assemblymember Berman, would you like to close?
- Marc Berman
Legislator
On behalf of Speaker Emeritus Rendon, respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. All right, Madam Secretary, please call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item number 33, AB 2202. The motion is do pass to Senate Appropriations. [Roll Call] Seven to zero with Members missing.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, 7-0, we'll put that on call. Thank you very much. All right, next we have, let's do the consent calendar. But after the consent calendar, we have Assemblymember Santiago, Assemblymembers Ward, Weber, and Wicks. Okay, Madam Secretary, please call the roll on the consent calendar. It's been moved by Senator Wilk. Thank you.
- Committee Secretary
Person
On the consent calendar. [Roll Call] You have seven to zero on consent.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, 7-0, we'll put that on call. All right, we're waiting for authors, and while we're waiting for authors, why don't we go through as best we can? The rule, the roll. So, Madam Secretary, we've got lots of bills to go over, so why don't we do that one time?
- Committee Secretary
Person
Okay, starting at the top, file item number one, AB 1905, needs a motion.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
So moved.
- Committee Secretary
Person
Okay, the motion is do pass to Senate Appropriations. [Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Put that on call.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number two, AB 2587. The motion is. We need a motion.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Wilk moves.
- Committee Secretary
Person
Okay, moved by Senator Wilk. The motion is do pass as amended to Senate Appropriations. [Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Put that on call.
- Committee Secretary
Person
There's a Member here. Do you want me to keep going?
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Let's do this. Where are we?
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item three.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
File item three. Let's turn to Assemblymember Weber, file number 40. Assemblymember Weber, you're up.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Running from hell. Thank you, Chair. I believe this is AB 1791. Great. So thank you, Chair and Members of the Committee. I am here to present AB 1791. I want to start by thanking the Committee and its staff for the amendments.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
We will be accepting the amendments and also the very thorough analysis that you all put out on this bill. With over 95 million images uploaded to Instagram every day, it is important to ensure that users can determine where an image originated and if it was AI generated.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
But this can't happen if social media platforms remove any data from an image that would tell users digital information about the media, such as the system it was created in or when it was created, AB 1791 would prohibit social media platforms from deleting certain digital providence data from digital content.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
This bill defines both personal providence data and systems providence data, and requires that social media companies keep system providence data but delete personal data unless a user wants to keep it.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
In the case that the system and personal providence data cannot be separated, this bill requires a social media company to delete both, but attach a label disclosing the system providence data that was deleted.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
I want to thank the Committee and the stakeholders for the thoughtful process and look forward to continuing to work on this bill as it continues to move forward. And I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Witnesses in support. Any witnesses in support? All right, any me too witnesses? Seeing no me too witnesses. I see folks that are anxious to testify in opposition, so let's call upon the opposition.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
Apologies. Dylan Hoffman on behalf of Technet. We're respectfully opposed to AB 1791 as it's in print, although do want to express our appreciation for the Committee and for the author for the recently proposed amendments that push out the implementation date, that also allow users to decide when they want to remove their personal information from content providence. I think those are strong changes.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
We're still a little concerned, and we'll continue to review how this bill interacts with AB 3211, which is also before the Committee today. Namely, the requirements in that bill about how a platform would remove system provenance data and personal provenance data when AB 3211 requires that to be maximally indelible or very difficult to remove.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
Furthermore, the technology to redact this kind of information doesn't exist currently. I think our companies are working towards doing that, but to re-embed it at the scale that this bill requires, as it's been noted, these online platforms are processing hundreds of millions of pieces of content every single day.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
So to do that reliably will take some engineering and time and right now, I think that may detract from other investments that are going towards developing the reliable, tamper evident and maximally indelible provenance technology as required by this bill and others.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
So, just wanted to highlight that we'll continue to work with the author and this Committee and others as the bill continues to move forward, and we'll provide more substantive feedback once we've had the chance to do so. Thank you.
- Carl London II
Person
Mr. Chairman and Members, Carl London, here on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America. These are basically the record companies that provide the bulk of the music that we listen to these days. On the personal data information being stripped out, musicians, artists typically want their information, including copyright, to be clear to the public so that they know it's theirs. The bill is currently drafted.
- Carl London II
Person
Doesn't appear to allow that, but we understand there's an amendment of works. We're looking forward to seeing what that looks like. Second, and that leads to the next point. Copyright is a very important piece of data for us. If people are misusing such materials, the artist and industry typically can pursue a cause of action.
- Carl London II
Person
That type of legal case requires identifying information so we can figure out against whom we're supposed to file the case. This bill then may work against federal law in that regard, maybe even be preempted. It may be unlawful to have that information removed.
- Carl London II
Person
Third, for enforcement purposes, we like dates and locations to assist our industry in finding from where leaks come. Many of us have heard examples where recordings are leaked, prior to release dates. That's not preferable.
- Carl London II
Person
Fourth, the bill may be inconsistent with the intent of others, as was mentioned, AB 3211 and AB 2013, which seek the aim of transparency and truth. Finally, I would say the removal of identifiers may run counter to federal and state law for law enforcement purposes.
- Carl London II
Person
Cases such as election fraud, other types of fraud, child exploitation, just to give examples, often require forensic work using identifiers to find the perpetrators. We're perplexed also by the amendment to allow a 2020 start date. We think it might be better to try to perfect this before we put this fully into law. Thank you very much for your time.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Laura Bennett
Person
Laura Bennett, on behalf of California Chamber of Commerce, in opposition.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, others in opposition? Seeing no one else approaching, let's bring it back to the Committee. Questions by Committee Members? Yes, Senator Ashby.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Well, first of all, how did you beat me back up to this chamber? I was out of breath. I really need to stop going through the front way and start going through the back way, because you guys are all I was supposed to beat him down to your Committee, too. Anyway, good bill. I just wanted to ask you, I missed the very first part, but you took some amends.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Yes. Okay. And so a lot of the opposition concerns, when you're talking about the recording industry and copyright, we've, you know, we've dealt with that, with the, with the amendments as well.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Okay, great. Thanks. That was my question. Appreciate you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, other questions? Senator Wahab.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Thank you. Would you be able to address some of the concerns that the Chamber has brought up in some of the opposition?
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Yeah, so I didn't hear the Chamber specifically express any concerns. However, a lot of the opposition has been addressed with the recent amendments and so continue to work with the opposition to see if they have any others. I believe they said they needed more time to digest to see if they still have any concerns. But the amendments specifically address a lot of their concerns.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Okay. Would you be able to go over those amendments?
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Sure. So one of the amendments deals with, like I said, the recording industry. There are issues with removing copyright, and it explicitly states in the bill now that if there is a conflict with copyright, that the latter or the copyright law takes precedent. And all of this is also in the analysis as well.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
The other concerns that we have, that we have addressed has to do with what happens if data can't, personal data versus providence data cannot be stripped. We dealt with that in the amendments. The other concern was what if people don't want their personal data. And so we have also allowed for someone to, in the bill to explicitly state that they don't want their personal data removed.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Okay. And can you explain a little bit about that, about what it means to have their personal data removed?
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Specifically, what do you mean?
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
You just said that last sentence. You said.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Right. So if you want to keep the information about who, where, and what. So if you're out in Cancun and you take a picture and you want all of that information still on there, then you will be able to state that you don't want that stripped.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Okay. And then what if the individual forgets that they've had something released or it's been a very long time or anything like that?
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
So this is not something that would apply retroactively. So if you have something up right now, it's not like they'll go back and start stripping things. So this is meant proactively. So if you put something up and you don't want it stripped or, you know, you want to maintain that information out there, then you would have that opportunity at that time to state it.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
All right.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All righty. Thank you. Other questions or concerns? Is there a motion? Senator Ashby has moved the bill. Thank you very much, Assemblymember Weber, for your pragmatic approach to this. We have kicked out the implementation date.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
One of the challenges with many of these bills is what is technologically feasible, and we don't actually know what might be feasible in the next few years. And your accommodation recognizes that although we have great confidence in California's technology industry in coming up with the solutions that will implement this bill.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
But if it doesn't, then that's why it's kicked out to 2028. So, having said that, there's been a motion by Senator Ashby. Madam Secretary. Oh, I'm sorry. Would you like to close?
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Just really appreciate your aye vote. But once again, really thank the Committee staff for all of the work that they did on this bill, and the analysis is spot on.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, Madam Secretary, please call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item number 40, AB 1791. The motion is do pass as amended to Senate Appropriations. [Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
6-2. We'll put that on call. Thank you very much. All right. Oh, you got another bill? Okay. Yes, go ahead. File item 41, AB 3139.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
So, good afternoon, Members. I'm here to present AB 3139, a bill to provide additional vehicle data protections for domestic violence survivors. Consumers spend a lot of time inside their vehicles, running errands, commuting to work, or just traveling. The capabilities of modern vehicles have advanced so quickly that cars are now sometimes referred to as smartphones on wheels.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Yet their increased connectivity raises concern about consumer privacy being compromised. Such services grant access to drivers' data with limited control to consumers and how their data may be used. These practices pose significant risks, especially for survivors of domestic violence, as perpetrators exploit apps to remotely track and control their cars. This enables them to locate survivors and manipulate car functions, such as honking the horn and locking the doors. A recent article in the New York Times shed lights on the struggles of Christine Dowdall, a survivor of domestic violence.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
It highlights the challenges she encountered while attempting to prevent her abuser from accessing the connected services in her car to track her location. Just this January, the Federal Communications Commission Chairwoman wrote to auto manufacturers as well as wireless service providers to seek their help in protecting domestic abuse survivors from the misuse of connected car tools by abusers.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
She wrote, quote, no survivor of domestic violence and abuse should have to choose between giving up their car and allowing themselves to be stalked and harmed by those who can access its data and connectivity. For these reasons, AB 3139 will require the following. If technologically feasible, an auto manufacturer would need to update the technology in a vehicle to install an option allowing a consumer to immediately disable all remote tracking technology. The method for disabling will be required to be easy to access and disable without requiring a password or login.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Once disabled, the survivor will have seven days to submit the information currently required in the bill in order for the connection to remain severed. Similarly, the registered car owner will have seven days to contact the auto manufacturer to have the connection restored. Assuming that technology was disabled for a reason other than to protect a survivor, the connection will be turned back on by the manufacturer.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
If it's not technologically feasible for a manufacturer to update the vehicle system to allow it to be disabled by the consumer alone, then the victim would have to submit a separation request to the vehicle manufacturer, including the proper documentation, such as a copy of a signed affidavit from a licensed medical or mental health care provider or a restraining order.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
The vehicle manufacturer would then be required to separate the perpetrator's access from the remote vehicle technology in one business day. We did not cross amendments at this time in this committee, but we have committed to taking amendment that will provide liability protection for the vehicle manufacturers when complying with the provisions of this bill. With me here today is Robert Herrell, Executive Director of Consumer Federation of California. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Go ahead, sir.
- Robert Herrell
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Robert Herrell, Executive Director of Consumer Federation of California. We're the sponsors of this measure. The author did an excellent job of describing the technical aspects of how this would work. This is an approach that the Assembly Privacy Committee has been putting into this bill.
- Robert Herrell
Person
I know that, Senator Ashby, your bill just got heard a couple hours ago. I was in that room. And then also Senator Min has a bill, so we're trying to meld all this. Although, Senator Ashby, your bill is broader and includes other smart devices, if you will. The analysis does an excellent job of talking about, to be candid, some of the horrors of what has occurred to people.
- Robert Herrell
Person
So we think that, as this is based on bipartisan federal law signed by President Biden in December of 2022, and building on that, as the FCC is in the process of implementing that, they began to ask, we think, some very pertinent and relevant questions about vehicles. And so this picks up on that work.
- Robert Herrell
Person
We're happy to answer any questions. We think it's the right thing to do in these horrifying situations. And sometimes two business days, which is the federal law standard, is not quick enough. And so we'd ask for an aye vote, and we're happy to answer questions. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Herrell. All right, other witnesses? Seeing no one else approaching in support. If you're a me too witness in support, please approach. Seeing no one. Opposition? If you're opposed to AB 3139, please approach the microphone.
- John Moffatt
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and of the Committee. On behalf of... Sorry.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
On behalf of sorry. There you go.
- John Moffatt
Person
On behalf of the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, the trade association for the automakers, we appreciate the ongoing conversations with the sponsors and authors of this bill. We are not opposed. We have concerns. We recognize our role and responsibility in this space.
- John Moffatt
Person
We've just got to make sure that the technology is described right, that the documentation is right. We appreciate the commitment on the liability protection. We look at this and go, you know, we need the statute to be clear about the documents that are provided to us, the process we need to follow.
- John Moffatt
Person
And when we err and err on the side of protecting a survivor, we don't want to get sued by somebody else who's the registered owner of the car. And so we appreciate all these things. Appreciate the ongoing conversations on this bill, as well as Senator Ashby's bill.
- John Moffatt
Person
If you hear any anxiety in my voice, it's because we are now in second House policy committee, and we have three bills that do three different things, all dealing with automobiles. And we look forward to the ongoing conversations to hopefully get all of this squared away by the end of session. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Moffatt. Anyone else who wishes to testify in opposition who's not opposed? All right, bring it back to committee. Senator Ashby?
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Yes. Obviously, I like this bill. We have very similar bills, but hers is focused on vehicles and mine is broader on all of apps. But the point is, and I think for both of us, is you think about all those conveniences that the apps bring to your life, and now think about all those apps in controlled by somebody who's abusive to you. Come out to see your car in a parking lot, and it's gone. They moved it.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
They changed the temperature controls. They can see you coming and going on your Ring door app, on your Tesla cameras, everyone who's coming to your car. So it's really, really important because we need law. We're here in Judic. We need law to keep up with technology.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
So I appreciate the sort of soft touch that not really opposition but concerned folks have with our bills. And just to be clear with everyone, because the three bills have been mentioned, we only control two of them. But I made commitments today to mirror her language, which is solid for me. And I think that will help draw down some of the concern for some of the auto industry. So don't hold that against her. I'm going to make those changes, we'll be aligned after my next committee.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Alrighty, thank you very much. Other questions? Is there a motion? Senator Wahab moves the bill. All right.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
And then I do have a question.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Oh, okay. Go ahead.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Opposition said an immediately effective manual method of disabling remote vehicle technology that is available to any driver is also available to any passenger who can reach across the car. In the seven days, is there a way to make that quicker?
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Yeah. Yeah. No, I completely agree, and that was honestly one of my concerns. And getting to the seven day has been a negotiation. But we'll continue to speak with everyone, including the sponsors and the opposition, because we don't want this technology turned off unless we're actually dealing with someone who is a victim of domestic abuse. And if it is readily available for others, then you do run that risk. And so we will continue that conversation. And I completely agree with what you're saying.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Okay. And the reason why I ask also is I've worked a lot in the domestic violence and mental health space, and often abusers won't tell their victim, you know, what they're tracking or how they're tracking. And there's a lot of individuals that do not have, you know, as friends say, tech savvy. Right.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
So they don't even know what is available, how are they being monitored. The vehicle may be purchased by the abuser, and yet the driver is driving it without realizing what technology, you know, is there, isn't there, what's being tracked.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
How many people have access to it, how many apps, you know, you know, let's say you could delete it off of a phone, you know, can you do that off of a computer and so forth. So I just feel like, in this space, there's a lot of work to do, and it's not always clear to the victim.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
And, for example, in communities that I represent, victims are not even aware of even some of the, you know, health impacts when they're dealing with an abuser. Right. Or a cheater or, you know, somebody abusive in general. So I. I think that we have a long way to go. I appreciate you bringing this bill.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
I appreciate Senator Ashby's bill. And I appreciate the manufacturers, but I would also like for more work to be done in this space rather than, you know, making it easier or longer term for the person to say that we'd like this off. So.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
So there's two things. If you are a victim, you can immediately turn it off. Right. So the seven day window would be for that individual to send in the supporting documentation. So if you're a victim, you don't have to wait seven days.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
You can immediately turn it off. If you happen, if the vehicle cannot do it, if you cannot do it, or you happen to not be tech savvy to figure it out, then you send in the documentation, and they have one business day from the time they receive it. The seven days is if it was turned or if someone turned it off and is actually not a victim.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
But the problem is that accidents do happen or things like that. But what I'm stating here is that abusers lie. Right. And so even if they were using it to track or do anything like that, you know, documentation to say it was an accident or, like, how is that going to be looked at?
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Right. So it's not documentation to say that this person is tracking me because you never know that. Right?
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Just to turn it off and on.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Well, no. It's to say, I am a victim of domestic violence. I'm an abuse survivor, and I want this turned off so that this individual cannot track me. Right. It's not to say he or she has been doing it. It's to say I've been abused by this person, and I don't even want to give him or her that opportunity.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
So even if the individual who owns the vehicle, okay, is the abuser. Let's say the spouse or the, I hate to say it like this, girlfriend or partner is the individual driving the vehicle.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Right.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
So, basically, even if they don't own the vehicle, they can submit this and say, I want this turned off.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Right.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Okay. All right.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
So it actually does protect the actual victim. Yeah. But I do agree there needs to be a lot more done in this space. And hopefully, once we kind of merge and figure out how these things will work, you know, if it does get to be signed, there will be the need for education around it.
- Aisha Wahab
Legislator
Okay.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you. It's been moved by Senator Wahab. Would you like to close?
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
You know, people who are victims of domestic violence should not have to worry about their abuser being able to track and harass them through their cars. Really appreciate the work from the committee. Really appreciate Senator Ashby also working in this space and look forward to working together with this particular issue.
- Akilah Weber
Legislator
Also want to take the time to thank the Chair because I heard at the beginning that starting July 2, we will be going from the end of the Alphabet to the beginning, so we don't have to wait until the very end. And with that, respectfully ask for an aye vote on AB 3139.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, Madam Secretary, it's been moved by Senator Wahab. Please call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item number 41, AB 3139. The motion is do pass to Senate Transportation. [Roll Call] Nine to zero.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
9-0. Put that on call. All right, thank you very much. Also... All right, next. Assembly Member Ward. We're still going in the old, we're going back to the regular order. Nice try, Assembly Member Wicks though. And also try to keep it the July 2 reversal of order. Try to keep it away from the folks in the first 15 letters of the Alphabet because I'm going to be appearing in front of their committees, so. All right, Assembly Member Ward, would you like to go? Assembly Member Wicks...
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Sorry, no. If it pleases the Chair, I'd like to begin with Assembly Bill 3024.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right. File Item Number 39.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Thank you. I have a council member from my district who has a flight to make, so I appreciate it, and I also have instituted a reverse alphabetical order in our committee, so apologies to Senator Ashby, but you know, we're going to have some of one and some of the other. Great to be with you here today. Thank you for allowing me to be able to present Assembly Bill 3024. I want to thank the committee and the staff for their hard work on the bill and state I will be accepting the committee's amendments.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
According to the Anti-Defamation League, last year saw a 38 percent rise in hate-motivated propaganda efforts, including hate littering in the form of racist, anti-semitic, and anti-LGBTQ flyers placed directly on a victim's personal property with the intent to make them fear for their safety.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
This has rapidly become the preferred tactic by hate groups because it is effective, it allows for increased personal impact, and exists in a legal gray area, making it extremely hard for law enforcement to prosecute. As a state, we must recognize that these materials are not just pieces of paper or expressions of free speech.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
They are direct threats placed on the personal property of targeted community members and their neighbors with the intent to harass, intimidate, and dehumanize them. AB 3024, the Stop Hate Littering Act, will make necessary improvements to existing law by strengthening the Ralph Civil Rights Act of 1976 to ensure that victims are provided adequate protections against hate littering and creates new legal tools to hold offenders accountable.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Hate acts have no place in our communities, and we must do everything in our power to ensure Californians are free from hate-related violence in all of its forms. With me to speak in support of this bill--come on up--is our City Council Member from the City of San Diego, Raul Campillo, and Cliff Berg, on behalf of the Anti-Defamation League.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All righty. Thank you. Floor is yours.
- Raul Campillo
Person
Good afternoon, Chair Umberg, Honorable Committee Members of the California Senate. My name is Raul Campillo. I'm the San Diego City Council Member representing District Seven and co-sponsor of Assembly Bill 3024, the Stop Hate Littering Act. I speak in support, and I thank Assembly Member Ward for his championing of this issue.
- Raul Campillo
Person
Hate littering has become the preferred tactic to maximize personal impact and fear while also allowing perpetrators to remain anonymous. Since June of 2023, we have seen a huge surge in San Diego County in the distribution of threatening fliers, and it's all over California, but particularly in San Diego and many of the neighborhoods I represent, including Del Cerro and San Carlos, neighboring City of La Mesa, and many others. I want to be clear: these are not just pieces of paper.
- Raul Campillo
Person
These flyers are threats placed on the homes, the cars, the doorsteps, the driveways, in cars in minority communities with the intention to intimidate and threaten and sow fear, and they have done so. As a government representative, I have families and neighbors who come to me asking me what they should do, and the only legal advice I could provide them was to keep and take photos of those flyers, provide them to police, look at their Ring camera videos in the cloud, and send that information to police in hopes of catching that individual in some other crime.
- Raul Campillo
Person
But AB 3024 was created out of a belief that this government must do everything in its power to protect everyone, every neighbor, and every stranger from this type of intimidation and threats. And of course, it's our first responsibility to ensure the health and safety and well-being of our citizens, and AB 3024 will do just that, will protect all Californians, especially those who are the targets of these acts. And it's my sincerest hope that AB 3024 creates deterrence and therefore protects all communities from having to deal with hate littering.
- Raul Campillo
Person
But in the instance where there is not deterrence, where individuals are identified and brought to court, there can be a meaningful measure of justice. Thank you, Assembly Member Ward, for your leadership on this and your entire staff, and for determining the best legal route to ensure that victims of these acts are provided with legal recourse they deserve.
- Raul Campillo
Person
Approval of this item would affirm the California Senate's commitment to the well-being and safety of our constituents by taking immediate action and protecting the civil liberties and enacting proactive measures that safeguard vulnerable communities. Thank you very much.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you, Councilman. Exactly on time. Thank you.
- Cliff Berg
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Cliff Berg, here on behalf of the Anti-Defamation League, ADL. As an organizational co-sponsor, we are happy to be here today in support of AB 3024. Founded in 1913 in response to an escalating climate of anti-semitism and bigotry, ADL has now become a leading national anti-hate organization.
- Cliff Berg
Person
Our work is needed more than ever today as we have seen a precipitous rise in hate across the State of California. According to the ADL Center on Extremism, the organization tracked a significant increase in White supremacist propaganda efforts in 2023, which included the distribution of threatening, racist, anti-semitic, and anti-LGBTQ messages.
- Cliff Berg
Person
This study found that anti-semitic propaganda increased by 30 percent in 2023 across the country, much of which occurred here in California. Last year, flyers with horrific anti-semitic and anti-LGBTQ messages were distributed in the dark of night, attacking not only the values that we hold as a community, but threatening the individuals who live in it.
- Cliff Berg
Person
We must do all that we can to speak out against this extremist activity and conduct that seeks to have our communities live in fear of hate and potential violence. AB 3024 will make necessary improvements to existing law by strengthening the Ralph Civil Rights Act of 1976 to ensure victims are provided adequate protections against these new tactics while creating new legal tools to deter terrorizing activity and hold offenders accountable.
- Cliff Berg
Person
We are once again grateful to work with Assembly Member Ward to ensure that our communities are a welcoming and safe place for everyone. Thank you. Here also today on behalf of JPAC, the Jewish Public Affairs Committee, representing over 30 Jewish community organizations in California in support of Mr. Ward's bill. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All righty. Thank you, Mr. Berg. All right, others in support, please approach the microphone. Name, affiliation, and position.
- Moira Topp
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Members. Moira Topp, here on behalf of San Diego Mayor Todd Gloria. San Diego is here in force today. Very much appreciate your support this afternoon.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you.
- Justin Bowers
Person
Hi. Justin Bowers, cleanearth4kids.org. Strongly support. In addition, North County Equity and Justice, FACTS, Eco-Sustainability Peeps, NCCCA, and Activist San Diego, also strongly support. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others in support? Seeing no one else approaching the microphone, opposition. If you're in opposition to AB 3024, please approach the microphone.
- Cynthia Valencia
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Committee Members. My name is Cynthia Valencia. I am a legislative advocate with the ACLU California Action. We appreciate the committee staff and author for working on amendments to narrow the bill and address the constitutional concerns we raised.
- Cynthia Valencia
Person
While we appreciate the author's laudable goal to address the incidents that the bill targets, we are speaking in opposition on this bill because of our continued concerns with foreseeable unintended consequences of utilizing significant financial civil penalties to punish people for their speech. We are also concerned with the definitions from the California Penal Code being applied to the incidents in this bill and being used in the California Civil Code.
- Cynthia Valencia
Person
AB 3024 will expand definition of intimidation by threat of violence, which is used in the California Penal Code Section 11411, terrorizing the owner or resident of a private property with the distribution of materials. So the penal code that is being referenced with intimidation by threat of violence, that is being used--what that is referencing is placing swastikas, burning crosses, or hanging nooses on someone's private property. It is well settled that true threats are not protected by the First Amendment.
- Cynthia Valencia
Person
Burning a cross on someones private property fits within that true threat exception of the First Amendment because this action sends an unmistakable message of impending violence directed at that property owner. AB 3024 uses terrorize for the act of placing a flyer on someone's car windshield or on someone's doorstep.
- Cynthia Valencia
Person
Even if the flyer contains language that is extremely hateful, that act typically does not carry the same type of historical symbolism or instill fear that burning a cross on someone's property. The government may not only prohibit such flyers that communicate a true threat. As objectionable as it is, they are protected by the First Amendment.
- Cynthia Valencia
Person
This bill invites discriminatory civil actions to be wielded as a tool to punish those that distribute materials that express disfavored views or views that private property owners disagree with, yet do not target or intend to place any individual for fear of bodily harm. For these reasons, we ask that you vote no on AB 3024. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right, thank you. Anybody else in the room in opposition to the bill? Seeing none, pull it back to the committee. Questions, comments, concerns? All the way down there at the end. Senator Durazo.
- Maria Elena Durazo
Legislator
Thank you. Question to the author? If you could respond to the ACLU's issues. I know that you care very much about our civil rights, but how do you respond to their objection?
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Of course. So the bill is, you know, you can see for yourself, is silent as far as the content of the speech, and what we are trying to really make sure we're reflecting under the Ralph Civil Rights Act is the action here. It's the conduct which we can be allowed to be the subject of the work that we're doing here.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
You need to understand that the civil--in these situations that we are seeing growing in our community, you are having areas that might have higher than usual densities of Jewish households, higher than usual densities of LGBT households, particularly flyered or threatened with the intimidation that comes with the flyering that is going on their personal property.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
And so if you can have objective and subjective assurance that an individual is feeling threatened regardless of some of the content, this is not a new penalty. This is an existing penalty that we are trying to clarify under the Ralph Civil Rights Act, would also be available when the conditions are met during an action of hate littering, as we are defining. So that's the distinction. It's not the content, it's not the speech, it is the act of what somebody is doing and the pattern of what they are doing upon the population in which they're doing it.
- Maria Elena Durazo
Legislator
Except the conduct is putting the leaflet on the car or the leaflet in the driveway, or is that what--is that--
- Chris Ward
Legislator
On somebody's personal property, just like we had passed, and I will make reference to actually agreeing with the opposition. They are work that, you know, was trying to display a swastika, a burning cross, something else that was a symbol of hate. We believe that this also rises to that level of threat because what these flyers do is it tells the inhabitants that, or the owner of that property, that we know where you live, we know who's in this neighborhood, and we are here, and we are in your face, and you should feel threatened by us.
- Maria Elena Durazo
Legislator
I do still have a question about that. I will support today, but there's a level of discomfort, and not because I support the content of hate, which altogether maybe could lead to feeling someone feeling threatened, it's just, you know, in our history in this country, the uses of our civil rights have been abused by people, and so you just want to watch out for that, I guess, is my concern.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Thank you, Senator. And I'd add too, again, I think, because of the reference that we have here, not because I particularly wanted to reach into the penal code, but because there was an apt definition there that you want to make sure that there is the intent to terrorize, and so if a civil local prosecutor is able to demonstrate that that is and prove that that is made, they would be able to assess a civil penalty.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right, very good. Senator Ashby.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Yeah. I just wanted to say a couple of things. First of all, I appreciate the content neutrality of your approach and the obvious lean into time, place, and manner appropriately within the jurisdiction of both local governance and, of course, the state and also the intent component that you have included. So I think that's nice work.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
I also wanted to just say my appreciation to the Council Member for coming up. Many of us served on city councils before being here, and very similar things happened. Mine was targeting LGBTQ community members. I've talked about this before in this committee.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
You know, a whole group of LGBTQ leaders grew out of that horrible incident and ended up starting a lot of great things happening in the community, but it shouldn't be that way, and people ought to be safe in their homes and in their neighborhoods and in their communities from this kind of action, overt action of hate.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
And I don't think it's asking too much for us to take a position to do so to protect them and to give local governance the tools they need to be able to protect their neighbors. So thank you for making the trip.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Am I going to take that as a motion? Okay. We have a motion. Any other comments? If not, you may close.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Well, thank you, Senators. I appreciate your time to consider this bill. As we are seeing acts of hate on the rise in many of our communities, we're trying to think about new tools to be able to respond to that, and working with local law enforcement, who has been a little bit stuck on how to be able to address some of these, you know, evolving actions that individuals are taken to incite hate, incite terror into our communities, I appreciate a lot of individuals that put some smart thought into be able to how to address this using an offshoot of existing law. So with that, I would respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you so much. All right, let's call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
All right, this is File Item Number 39: AB 3024 by Assembly Member Ward. The motion is: do pass as amended. [Roll Call]. Five to two so far. Members missing.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right, and we'll leave that, we'll leave that open--
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Thank you, Senator.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
For members to add on, and now we'll move on to File Item 38: AB 1979.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Thank you, Senators. I'm also here to present AB 1979, the Doxing Victims Recourse Act. The bill provides relief and support for victims who have been harmed as a result of being doxed by allowing them to pursue civil restitution for the harms they endured.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Doxing is a harassment tactic that occurs when a person releases another individual's private, personally identifying information without their consent with the intent to cause that person harm. While doxing is already a crime under California penal code, protections and recourse are absent in the Civil Code.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
This bill will correct this absence of support by providing a doxing victim an avenue to be made whole via restitution for the harms they endured, as well as provide another avenue to deter perpetrators from continuing to organize online harassment campaigns against their victims.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
With hate based threats and attacks increasing and evolving alongside advances in technology, such as through the emergence of new social media platforms, the risk of malicious acts such as doxing are heightened.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
AB 1979 provides a doxxing victim and avenue to be made whole via restitution for the harms they endured due to the actions of the offender, while thus allowing the victims to get their lives back on track.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
With me to speak in favor of this bill are our co-sponsors Cliff Berg on behalf of the Anti Defamation League and Jonathan Clay on behalf of Trans Family Support Services and Trans Youth Liberation.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Mr. Berg, you have two minutes.
- Cliff Berg
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Cliff Berg here on behalf of the ADL, Anti Defamation League. As we know, our state laws have not kept up with the hate and harassment that users experience online. The consequences for such offenses must take into consideration the serious and lasting effects of online hate and harassment.
- Cliff Berg
Person
One of the most common tactics of online harassment is doxing, meaning publicly sharing an individual's personal information with the intent that the information be used against the target for unlawful purposes. The growth of online hate and harassment targeting marginalized groups is a growing trend that deserves action by policymakers.
- Cliff Berg
Person
According to a 2024 ADL report on online hate and harassment, 22% of Americans have experienced severe harassment online in the past 12 months. Of individual surveyed who have experienced any type of online hate, transgender people were most likely to be harassed in the past 12 months for their gender identity, LGBTQ people for their physical appearance, black, African American and Asian Americans for their race and ethnicity, and Muslims for their religion.
- Cliff Berg
Person
These are not just numbers, but real people who are targeted every day. California has the opportunity to take strong, concrete action in addressing the rising threat of doxing by passing AB 1979. Doxing must be codified into California state law so we can protect targets that hold perpetrators accountable for their malicious and reckless actions.
- Cliff Berg
Person
This bill is a good first step in addressing online hate and protecting marginalized communities, bringing forward language that ensures that the bill would not only address the threat of doxing, but also protects First Amendment rights. We thank you for your support and look forward to any questions here. Also on behalf of JPAC, the Jewish Public Affairs Committee, 30 member organizations in support of this legislation. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, sir. Welcome. Two minutes.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
Here on behalf of Trans Family Support Services and Trans Youth Liberation. Proud to be co-sponsors of this bill, as highlighted by the author, AB 1979 with previous civil pathway for seeking cases of doxing and attempt to put a framework in place that will hopefully disincentivize future doxing cases.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
Sitting before you today, you will see many organizations that represent marginalized groups of people that are disproportionately impacted by doxing events, as highlighted in the bill analysis. Yet as elected officials, you know that doxing can occur to anyone, including elected officials, their staff, families.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
Is this working now? There. There we go. No, I mean, if you guys could hear what I was saying. Don't need to. Okay. All right, take two. Good afternoon, Chair, Committee Members. Jonathan Clay here on behalf of Trans Family Support Services and Trans Youth Liberation, proud co-sponsors of AB 1979. As highlighted by the author, AB 1979 would create a civil pathway for seeking remedies to cases of doxing and attempts to put a framework in place that will hopefully disincentivize future doxing cases.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
Sitting before you today, you will see many organizations that represent marginalized groups of people that are disproportionately impacted by doxing events, as highlighted in the bill analysis. Yet as elected officials, you also know that doxing can occur to anyone, including elected officials, their staffs, families, when someone objects to a position or statement.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
I myself have had to take precautions to protect the privacy of my family when I've worked on controversial issues here in the Legislature. This should not be the case, but it's unfortunately the state of affairs that we all exist in.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
Current law already established a misdemeanor for doxing, and AB 1979 does not modify existing rights, immunities, or remedies that current law provides. These doxing cases can be as traumatic as a physical assault. Yet getting criminal prosecution is difficult.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
The Legislature is aware of how impacted law enforcement and district attorneys are in workloads and prosecuting all misdemeanors is not a possibility. AB 1979 creates a private right of action so that these cases can be pursued through the civil processes. Being able to effectively pursue relief to the courts is key to helping dissuade people from doxing others.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
Finally, in representing entities that advocate on behalf of Trans youth and their families, we see firsthand how impactful these doxing cases can be on youth and their families. Our own executive directors had to deal with doxing and the impacts of our own family.
- Jonathan Clay
Person
AB 1979 provides the necessary tools for people impacted by doxing to be able to proactively take their lives back and seek justice on those who have invasively sought to disrupt their lives. Ask for your aye vote and thank you very much.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Great. Thank you. Anybody else in the room in support? Well, we're just, I guess me too, is we're going to have to do here too. Go ahead.
- Ross Buckley
Person
Good afternoon, Vice Chair and Members. Ross Buckley, on behalf of the Sacramento city mayor, Darrell Steinberg, in support.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, sir.
- Craig Pulsipher
Person
Craig Pulsipher, on behalf of Equality California, in support.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, sir. Okay, seeing no one else. Anyone here in opposition? Seeing none. Let's pull it back to the Committee. Questions, comments, any concerns? If none, love to have. Senator Allen, thank you. So Senator Allen made the motion. Assemblymember, you may close.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Thank you, Senators, I know the hearing has been long today, but appreciate your attention to this. Doxing is a severe crime that is already defined in the criminal code. But there is no ability for victims to actually be able to receive any kind of recourse. They are harmed physically, mentally, emotionally.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
And so for all the other reasons, some of which we've been able to address civilly for other crimes inflicted upon those same victims, we want to extend the same opportunity to be able to do so when they are a victim of doxing as defined. With that, I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Great. Thank you, sir. All right, let's call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item number 38, AB 1979. The motion is do pass to Senate Appropriations. [Roll Call]
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
We'll leave that open for Members to add on. Thank you very much.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item 36, AB 2224.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
File item 36, AB 2224. Assemblymember Santiago.
- Miguel Santiago
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd first like to accept the Committee's amendments. I appreciate the Committee's hard work and the membership's interest. I'll keep it simple. The special immigration juvenile status provides limited immigration relief for vulnerable and undocumented children and young people who have been abused, neglected or abandoned. Unfortunately, the process takes too long.
- Miguel Santiago
Legislator
This bill seems to will simplify it so that they get their quarters so they can go before the federal courts again. Accept the Committee's amendments. I respectfully ask for an aye vote and appreciate your time.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Great. Do you have any primary witnesses? Okay, there are no primary witnesses. Any me too supporters in the room? Seeing none. Anybody here in opposition? Seeing none. Pull it back to the Committee. No questions, no comments. Love to have a motion then. Senator Allen, thank you. Senator Allen has moved the bill. With that you may close.
- Miguel Santiago
Legislator
Respectfully asked for an aye vote. And thank you for your time.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, sir. If you could please call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item number 36, AB 2224. The motion is do pass is amended to Senate Appropriations. [Roll Call]
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Six to zero. And we will leave that open. All right. Very patient author here. Do you have any particular order you want to go in?
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
I'm happy to go and file item.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
And we'll go file item.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
So we'll start with file item 42, AB 2693.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and Members. Okay, I'm here to present AB 2693 the child sexual assault statute of limitations bill. My work in this Legislature is primarily driven by being a mom, a mom of two young girls.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
And I really view our job as lawmakers is to keep our communities safe, particularly our most vulnerable, which are young people. In the tough on era crime, California locked up more than 130,000 children in jails and county juvenile detention centers.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Too many of these individuals have come forward as adults to share their experiences of sexual assault perpetrated by employees of these juvenile camps. AB 2693 received bipartisan support throughout the Assembly process.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
This bill would allow a one year opening of the statute of limitations for survivors of the last four decades to come forward and report their abuse. In 2022, President Biden signed into law the Eliminating Limits to Justice for Child Sex Victim Act, removing the statute of limitations for these cases in federal courts.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Although we cannot undo their past experiences, we can give these survivors 365 days to get the justice they deserve. Testifying in support today is Akilah Jefferson, who is a survivor of this breach of trust and broken promises from these rehabilitation centers. And when the time is right, I would respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Welcome.
- Akilah Jefferson
Person
Hi, everybody. Hi, my name is Akilah Jefferson. I live in Victorville.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Yeah, let's turn it on and then talk. It's on. Okay, perfect.
- Akilah Jefferson
Person
Hi everybody. My name is Akilah Jefferson. I live in Victorville, California. I am currently working at a nonprofit, Advocates for Peace and Urban Unity, out of Los Angeles, California. I'm sorry. Right now at work I help girls that's in gangs with sexual abuse and gangs.
- Akilah Jefferson
Person
I want to thank the Chair and the Members of this Committee for allowing me to speak here today. I also want to thank the Members of the State Assembly for passing this bill with no, no dissenting votes. My parents abandoned me as a child. They were teenagers as well, leaving my grandmother to raise me as a teenager.
- Akilah Jefferson
Person
I began skipping school, stealing clothes and things like that. I landed in Camp Scott. Camp Scott was built as a boot camp to rehabilitate us. I don't know, I guess the teachers to be, I don't know, upstanding citizens, military discipline, education, and tough love. I didn't find much love at Camp Scott.
- Akilah Jefferson
Person
Instead I found years of sexual abuse at the hands of a deputy probation officer. It began at the age of 16 when I was serving a four month sentence for truancy. He threatened me that if I told anyone I would suffer consequences. I believed him. He was an adult. I was a ward of the court.
- Akilah Jefferson
Person
He was completely in charge of my life at that time. I was able to deal with my emotional trauma and seek legal assistance before the window of the California statute of limitations closed in January. More than 2,500 people have stepped forward since then with credible claims of abuse.
- Akilah Jefferson
Person
Others will be denied that opportunity unless you act today. AB 2693 will open a window for additional year to give victims of juvenile probation sexual assault, their day in court to face their abusers and the people who like enabled them. Can you please give it your approval today? And thanks, Wicks.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Well, I want to thank you for sharing that. I know that that was not easy. And then it breaks. Camp Scott is like 15 minutes from my house and I've been there many a time and I'm just so sorry that happened. And you also my constituent because I represent Victorville. So thank you for coming and taking that situation and making it better for others. So very proud of you. Anybody else here to speak in support?
- Dawn Sanders-Koepke
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Members. Dawn Koepke, on behalf of the Child Abuse Prevention Center, in support.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you.
- Rebecca Marcus
Person
Rebecca Marcus, conveying support for the Consumers Attorneys of California, Smart Justice, and Initiate Justice. Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you.
- Dylan Elliott
Person
Thank you. Dylan Elliott, on behalf of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, in support.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you, sir.
- Anthony DI Martino
Person
Anthony Di Martino, on behalf of Crime Survivors for Safety and Justice, in support.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Thank you. Anyone here in opposition? Come on up. Take a seat. Get comfortable. You have two minutes.
- Andrea Liebenbaum
Person
Yeah, I know. I have the most enviable job today. My name is Andy Liebenbaum, and I'm here on behalf of the County of Los Angeles. And holy smokes, that woman was brave indeed. The County of Los Angeles is very late in getting our opposition, and we appreciate that.
- Andrea Liebenbaum
Person
It was not an easy decision for the Board of Supervisors. And, in fact, the opposition is really rooted in the liability and the costs that we are facing as a county, certainly not on the policy and the need to provide redress to children who have been harmed while they were in the care of the county.
- Andrea Liebenbaum
Person
We also have some concerns about the possibility that a great deal of the compensation might be going to legal counsel rather than directly to the victims. At least that's what we have been told. And so our Board of Supervisors has great concerns about that.
- Andrea Liebenbaum
Person
We're currently anticipating the fiscal liability from related passed legislation to be in the multibillions of dollars. And the County of Los Angeles is trying to figure out how to balance redressing harms that occurred and continuing to serve the 10 million people who we serve and live in our county. We believe that the bill would just further compound those issues without us having a solution.
- Andrea Liebenbaum
Person
So rather than simply opposing the bill and not having solutions, we would relish the opportunity to talk about manners that could make it so that the county can accomplish all of the goals, address the harms, and make sure that we can continue to serve the people who rely on us for current services.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Well, that's who you talk to, so hopefully you guys can have those conversations. Anybody else in the room in opposition? Seeing none, pull it back to the Committee. Senator Allen.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
Well, I want to thank all the folks who came in to speak on this. This is obviously an issue that we've seen several times before this Committee. And part of the challenge here always is that there are these incredibly tragic and terrible cases.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
And then, on the other hand, you've got the public entities, such as the one that was represented here, that are really struggling under the weight of all of these new lawsuits that have come forward.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
And, I mean, there are several cases in my own district where cities are really struggling because of several of these suits, such that they're not able to move forward on all sorts of public projects because the liability is so enormous.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
So I will support the bill, but I really do ask the author to engage with these representatives of public entities. I mean, these are folks who are tasked with the job of serving our constituents and providing good services on a wide variety of topics and issues.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
And we're all cutting back on local government right now because of the situation in the budget. How do we figure out a path moving forward that will provide compensation and justice for the victims while also ensuring that our public entities are able to carry out the work that we tasked them with? And that's the difficult balance here. And I just want to, I guess I want to, I know it's late opposition, but I'd love to hear the author's thoughts on how to strike that balance adequately.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Sure. So we got the letter today. So I haven't even seen it yet because I was chairing another Committee and had other bills up. So I haven't read the letter yet. Obviously, as I always do, I will sit down with opposition and try to figure out to see if there's a path.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
But what is critical to me is that the survivors of these terrible crimes are made as whole as we can possibly make them. And so I will do so with that lens of trying to understand if there's a path forward. And I, of course, will sit down again. The letter was sent today, so I haven't had the time to review it.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
Yeah. And I think part of what ends up happening is that a lot of entities, including boards, I mean, this is a board of elected officials who are incredibly sympathetic to the broad cause that you're presenting today, making victims whole. And I'm sure it was a very difficult decision for the board to oppose this.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
I mean, they're all elected officials who don't want to be associated with bad acts such as the ones that seem to have been committed at Camp Scott and elsewhere. But nevertheless, they're sitting there really struggling with bouncing budgets.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
And of course, in the end of the day, counties like LA, the vast majority of their money is social services, helping low income folks, indigent folks, and so there's a justice and equity component to their budget. So anyway, I know you're a thoughtful Member. These are incredibly difficult issues to balance, but I certainly do encourage that conversation and I hope we can find a good place to land.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
I will definitely have those conversations. And I know it's not an easy decision for them as well to come forward in opposition with something like this. But the fact remains that there were a bunch of young people who were victimized and we need to figure out how we rectify that at the hands of the county.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
You know, can I just ask you one question? Because I know we. Is this a case of people that just hadn't had the time to the.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Statute of limitations closed. And so there's folks that have since come forward, and also with sexual abuse of minors in particular, for many of the victims, it's a struggle to come forward. And I think for a lot of them, it takes time to sort of figure that out. So we want to make sure that they have that time and again opening the statute of limitations for one year.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
So there's, you know, parameters around that which I've done other bills of similar nature where we open up the statute of limitations for similar specific issues, particularly because child sexual abuse in particular is incredibly traumatic for folks, gives them the time to be able to find the courage.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
One of the interesting challenges of the statute of limitations. And there's a lot of reasons why it exists, but by opening it for a short window, you basically create this massive liability for current budgets for some acts that took place a long time ago.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
And whereas, I mean, it's interesting because if you didn't have statute limitations at all, that liability would last over a long period of time. But local governments got socked with this huge liability at once, and so the current budgets are being impacted, current services and programs are being impacted. When programs weren't five years ago and won't be five years from now, I mean, I guess they'll be impacted by the loss.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
But it's an interesting, there's some downsides to these short windows because it forces all of that, all those lawsuits to come forward within a short period of time, and all this resulting liability that has really made the work of local government incredibly challenging. I'm sure you've all heard from your cities and counties on this topic, so I don't know where the right balance to strike here is on that question, but, yeah.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Well, I look forward to getting their letter and reading it and taking the time to work with them. Give you my word, I will definitely meet with opposition, see if there's ways we can land this in a way that doesn't cripple our local government while still allows for the survivors of these crimes to be made whole.
- Benjamin Allen
Legislator
Thank you.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Before we go to Senator Ashby, you, Senator Stern, and myself went to Camp Scott. with Tim Robbins to see the graduating class of the actors gang. Incredibly moving day. And one of the things I was most upset about is when those girls were sharing they were there. They earned the right to be there. But let's be honest, trauma was really the driving force that had it happen.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
And then when we're there, and I'm thinking to myself, this is probably the safest place that these girls could be, because then they're going to go back to where that uncle was or whatever, and then you hear a story like that, and they're safe nowhere. And somebody needs to be responsible for what transpires.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
So I agree with everything you say, and again, we've got a great author here, but people need to be compensated for things of that nature. With that, Senator Ashby, you're up.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Yeah. Normal. I mean, budgets are a cold, harsh reality we all have to deal with every day in these offices. And normally, it would be very persuasive to me. Also, normally, a letter from Los Angeles County, all female Board of Supervisors, we all have friends on that body, would be very persuasive to me. Today, it is not.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Not even close. One year is all she's asking for on this bill. There are other statute of limitation bills all around this topic, around victims, particularly a lot of female victims, and some of them are really long, and some of them will really be difficult for these bodies to address.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
One year is all Assemblymember Wicks is asking for. And, you know, these youth that are coming out of these programs. They don't walk out of the program and suddenly walk into a bunch of caring adults who are going to help them solve all of their life's problems.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
If that existed, they wouldn't have been there to begin with. It's just a further victimization. And I really appreciate the speaker who came today, but I think it's really important that we as a government acknowledge that sometimes we don't get it right. And in this instance, we did not.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
And we have created a system that has hurt some young girls. We're responsible for that. We need to take responsibility for that, whether we were here or not. Too bad. These seats were filled by somebody, and we're here now. So today we say yes to being responsible, or at least I do. I'll make the motion when it's time.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
All right, Senator Durazo.
- Maria Elena Durazo
Legislator
Thank you. You know what we're all struggling with here is that this happens over and over, and it doesn't happen over and over to an individual here or an individual there. It is happening en masse. The Boy Scouts allegations, the Catholic Church. I mean, we could just go on and on, organizations and government that are not taking responsibility.
- Maria Elena Durazo
Legislator
There's something deeply wrong, because then we have to deal with the aftermath. We have to deal with funding for services being cut because of the actions of others. And it's really, somewhere we all have to figure that out, because I think the primary reason this goes on and on and on and on is people, either the victims and or people around the victims are afraid to report the action.
- Maria Elena Durazo
Legislator
They're afraid they could lose their job. They're afraid there'll be repercussions, retaliations and all this. And so they let it go on and on and on. And we're not really dealing with that. I don't know how to deal with that. But there's a culture problem in this country when that can happen so many times over decades, and still it happens, especially to our most vulnerable. It's a real illness. It's sick.
- Maria Elena Durazo
Legislator
And I can't let that, you know, the damage that they've done through and trying to make these people whole, can't let that be stopped by the fact that we have to now pay out.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Any other questions, comments? Seeing none. We have a motion from Senator Ashby, and you may close.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
I think Akilah's words spoke best on this issue and this debate. I appreciate the comments from folks on the dais. I'm very passionate about this issue. Every year I carry something in the space of sexual assault. It's, I think, deeply important.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
I think we do have a society that is corrupted in many ways, and it's our responsibility as leaders, as elected officials, to keep our community safe and to make them whole as much as we can. So with that, would respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Scott Wilk
Legislator
Great. Thank you so much. If we could call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item number 42, AB 2693. The motion is do pass to Senate Appropriations. [Roll Call] Eight to zero, Senator.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Eight to zero. We'll put that on call. Thank you.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
I think that concludes the hearing. Oh, no. Okay. All right. One more. All right. Right, right. Okay. AB 3211, I think, is next on the.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Am I standing between you all and dinner? Is that what's happening? Great.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
30. Yes.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Well, and I want to thank the chair for honoring his commitment to flip the order in the upcoming hearings, because I had them on the record last year.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Sell the a's okay. All right.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Okay with that. Mister chair, Committee Members, I'm here to present AB 3211, the California providence authenticity and watermarking Standards act. First, I give my thanks to the Committee staff. Very hard work. Some of the hardest working Committee staff in the building appreciate their efforts to work with our office.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
And I'd like to confirm that I'm going to accept the Committee amendments today and appreciate, Mister Umberg, your help in getting this into be a better place. And you're refereeing on all the AI stuff that's happening out there, so thank you for your leadership.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Faced with a newly chaotic media landscape made up of generative AI and substantially modified content alongside human generated real photographs, videos and audio, it's become increasingly difficult to know what to trust. Undressing apps are rampant.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
They allow a user to pay $1 and spend less than 20 minutes to create very convincing deepfakes that are non consensual pornographic imagery. Women and girls are particularly vulnerable to this and have experienced harms in our schools and beyond.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
So we, as policy makers, need to ensure that media consumers are better able to discern what is real from what is fake. AB 3211 presents three ways to do this. One, it requires all content from Gen AI to be labeled as synthetic. Two, it requires all content from recorded devices to be labeled as non synthetic.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
And third, it requires all online platforms to display these labels. Some of the tech industry says it's too early for mandating transparency, durable credentials, and providence data. But let me assure you, and it is not just my opinion, it's those in the tech industry.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
We believe the technology is available, and we'll be hearing some testimony towards that end. Today, California based startups are making these technologies. Digimarc, a world leader in financial and data security, is already providing these technologies, and large language developers like OpenAI and Google are beta testing these technologies with General users.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
We want to ensure that we don't let another technology run rampant that has potential to impact our children.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Also, there's obvious needs for this with regard to elections and elections protections around the idea of when our images are out there and we're talking as elected officials were running for office, that those are in fact us saying those words. So we need some guardrails.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
We've also looked very closely at the EU regulations and other policies that are out there. We really want conformity. We've talked at length to industry. We are going to continue those conversations. The most important thing to me is that we actually craft a bill that can be implemented.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
What's the point in doing something if it's not possible to be implemented. So we've had a lot of conversations, very good conversations, with some of the industry's biggest leaders in the tech space, and we'll continue to do that.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
With me to testify in sports day are David Harris, Professor with Haas School of Business at UC Berkeley, and Ken Sickle, EVP chief product officer with Digimark.
- David Harris
Person
Chair Umberg and Members of the Committee, it's an honor to be able to speak with you today and to convey my strong support of AB 3211, the California provenance, authenticity, and watermarking standards.
- David Harris
Person
My name is David Harris, and I'm here today in my capacity as senior policy advisor to cited the California Initiative for Technology and Democracy, cited as the newest initiative of California common Cause, and it's seeking state level solutions to the threats of disinformation, artificial intelligence, deepfakes, and other emerging technologies, and the threats that they pose to our elections.
- David Harris
Person
We're proud to sponsor AB 3211, which would require watermarking and provenance data for content created by generative AI systems. AI is a powerful tool that can bring great benefits to people, but it also, if not governed judiciously, has the power to cause great harm.
- David Harris
Person
This is why so many AI company CEO's have themselves called for more regulation of AI. You've already heard about the harms that can be caused by AI generated, non consensual intimate imagery and child sexual abuse material. Misinformation campaigns in elections can also be supercharged by AI.
- David Harris
Person
We're familiar with these campaigns from the 2016 efforts by Russia to interfere in our elections through social media. And the Department of Homeland Security has already warned us that China, Russia, and Iran are likely to use generative AI to target our elections.
- David Harris
Person
Microsoft and OpenAI reported in February that they have already caught state actors from North Korea, Iran, Russia, and China weaponizing their AI systems. Watermarking is the best tool available to allow us to identify what content is produced by AI and what content is authentic.
- David Harris
Person
This bill requires that AI companies make good on promises that they've already made to add watermarking to their AI systems. These promises were first made in the White House voluntary AI commitments last July, and then again at the Munich security conference in the AI elections accord this February. Thank you. If you'd wrap it up, please.
- David Harris
Person
Oh, yes, I just wanted to thank the Committee's staff for the excellent analysis, which points out that Google has already launched watermarking, provenance, and authenticity solutions that would likely be compliant with this bill. So the technology is here for us today. Thank you. Thank you.
- Ken Sickles
Person
Chair and Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, thank you for having me here today to speak on the important matters addressed by AB 3211. I'm Ken Sickles, chief product officer of Digimarc.
- Ken Sickles
Person
Digimarc is the pioneering global leader in digital watermarking, deploying authentication and identification technology on a global scale, everything from currencies, motion pictures and over 90% of broadcast television.
- Ken Sickles
Person
I'm honored to be here today as we are standing at the precipice of an incredible change to our information ecosystem, a change fueled by the advent of artificial intelligence and its ability to create digital content at an astronomical scale and with unprecedented speed.
- Ken Sickles
Person
AB 3211 allows for the innovative potential of AI while creating much needed safeguards for its use. This includes the mandating of using digital watermarks on all AI generated content and advocating for the use of digital watermarks on all authentic or human made digital content.
- Ken Sickles
Person
I want to call out the bills provision to make digital watermarks embeddable and decodable at a device level. Because this is both thoughtful and essential, we believe that offering the option to embed and decode digital watermarks on device is crucial to creating a more transparent and trustworthy digital ecosystem.
- Ken Sickles
Person
This is because all content is created and consumed on a device. Therefore, to ensure digital consumers have clarity about the digital content they watch, read or listen to, we believe that all content, AI and human created should be digitally watermarked and decoded at the point of creation and consumption, which is again on device.
- Ken Sickles
Person
If this isn't done, digital misinformation and disinformation stands to increase by an order of magnitude. The actions taken by this body in the coming months will define the future of our digital economy and by extension, our world.
- Ken Sickles
Person
Digimarc believes that AB 3211 takes an important step towards safeguarding the biggest modern revolution since the advent of the Internet itself, and provides guardrails in which the technology can be deployed readily and safely. On behalf of Digimarc, I'd like to thank the Committee for Having me here today, and I look forward to answering your questions.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you very much. Others in support of AB 3211, please approach the microphone.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
We started using this one. Tom.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Yeah, we want people to stand, so.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Makes the hearing go quicker. Right.
- Dylan Elliott
Person
Thank you, Dylan Elliott. On behalf of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in support.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. All right, others in support. Seeing no one else approaching the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 3211, please come up to the microphone.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
Thank you, Mister Chair and Members. Dylan Hoffman on behalf of Technet, we are respectfully opposed to AB 3211. Strongly agree with the intent of the author to create greater trust in user-generated content online by fostering the adoption of content provenance, verifications, and watermarks. We greatly appreciate the work of the Committee. The suggested amendments we'll continue to review.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
We've provided suggested red lines to the author, and conversations will continue this week to continue discussing the intricacies of this bill. We still think the bill in print presents a number of issues and requires platforms to comply with some technically infeasible and overly prescriptive standards.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
And I think, I really want to emphasize that while some of these technologies are available today, they're available in varying forms. So, some are fully released to the public for use, some are still in beta testing, so they're on a limited experiment either with subjects or with the public. And some are still being worked on internally.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
And I think even for the ones that are fully released, they exist in a spectrum of reliability. Many researchers are still able to break every type of watermark that is out there, to be able to both remove it, but also insert watermarks where there were not previously.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
And so I think while, you know, I think it is good to set a standard and a goal to pursue, I think we should be careful about enshrining certain technologies in law today and limiting the aspirations of these technologies and these companies to maybe design something better, maybe design something that minimizes some of those weaknesses and emphasizes the strengths of these various techniques.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
So, with that, you know, I want to just encourage this Committee to consider that reliability issue that still sort of haunts some of this technology. We still are committed to working with the author and working on this issue. As has been noted, our companies are at the forefront of this. We're committed to creating this technology.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
I think we're just concerned about how this gets enshrined in law when there are varying levels of both the Federal Government and international standards that are still being worked out and that we can still learn from. So, with that, respectfully opposed to the bill. Thank you.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Mister London.
- Carl London II
Person
Yes sir. Mister Chairman, Members, Carl London on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America. We're not a full blown oppose, so I would say concerned at this point. We appreciate the calls for labeling synthetic content and providing provenance information.
- Carl London II
Person
We continue to have concerns about the bill with respect to creative works like music and how this would interact with those systems. We've spoken with Miss Wicks' staff about our concerns and look forward to working with her on this as we move forward.
- Carl London II
Person
We'll earnestly spend July trying to do that versus traveling long distances and going to fun places. So, we're looking forward to that. Thank you very much.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Well, good. I'm glad we're doing that. So. All right.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Sounds awful.
- Laura Bennett
Person
Laura Bennett, on behalf of California Chamber of Commerce in opposition.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. Others. Anyone else? All right. Oh, there we go.
- Khara Boender
Person
Sorry about that. Khara Boender, on behalf of the Computer and Communications Industry Association, respectfully opposed, aligned with Technet's comments.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
All right, thank you. Seeing no one else approaching the microphone, let's bring it back here to the Committee. Yes. Senator Wahab has moved the bill. Questions, concerns? I have some. All right. Anyone else? All right, it's been moved. So, thank you, Senator Wicks, for your forward thinking on this, this bill.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
I assume it's going to get out of this Committee. It's going to move to another Committee. We would have actually taken longer in this Committee had it not been that we want the bill to be able to continue to move.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Just like many of the AI bills, though, we're trying to strike a balance between making sure that we encourage the industry in California, but that we not unleash the industry on the entire world.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
And so, with respect to this incredibly important bill, I have a great deal of trepidation, because this is one of the seminal issues in the entire area of artificial intelligence. What's marked? What's not marked? How do we know? And thus, we still have, I think, a fairly long way to go.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
And I know that you are pragmatic and amenable to continuing the conversation, particularly with the opponents. Some of this is simply not feasible today, but we believe it is going to be feasible here in the future. So having said that, I'm going to vote aye. It would be an aye with trepidation.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
I'll take the eye.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
You'll take it anyway. Yes. Would you like to close?
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Yes. No, I appreciate that. And I think that's the right approach, to be honest with you. Right?
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
And how you, Mister Chair, are handling all of these bills, I think we want to make sure that we are putting forth the sort of lowest-hanging fruit of guardrails, the most necessary guardrails with regard to the AI landscape while still allowing for the innovation that we know is going to happen and the economic opportunity for California and all these other things that are benefits, plus all the products that we don't even know yet exist that are going to benefit society while still guarding against some of those more egregious concerns that we have.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
And that's, I think, the needle that we're all trying to thread here that I know you're trying to thread.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
I was happy to take the amendment to push back the implementation date, which conforms with the EU as well, because, and I'll say, you know, we're talking to the EU regulators regularly as well, because I think it's also important for the industry to have conformity as much as possible with the various bodies that are out there that are attempting to do this.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
So, I agree with everything you said, and we're talking to a lot of the companies directly as well as the trade associations, because I do want to get it right as well. I'm committed to that. And I think the only way we can do that is if we keep the bill moving forward to keep the conversation going so we have a vehicle for that stated purpose of creating those guardrails, but in an intentional way.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
And I would love to continue to use you as a resource and a thought partner as we do that, and your staff as well, who have been incredibly helpful as we move the bill through, so that hopefully, you know, if he gets through all the way, gets on the Governor's desk, it's something that can actually be implemented, but with some flexibility to make space for innovation as it moves forward.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
So with that, I'd respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Thank you. And this is the last bill we're going to hear today. It is unfortunate some of the other authors aren't here because one of the things we're trying to do as best we can is to have conformity definitions. We haven't achieved that.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
To have transparency and to have laws written in such a way that they can be implemented and enforced in a recognizable way and conformity as best we can with the European Union.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
That's right.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
And that is a challenge. But to the extent that authors are listening, that's one of the things we want to do, is we want to make sure that we recognize that we're establishing international standards here and we want to be in conformity with our partners in the European Union. All right. With that, it's been moved by Senator Wahab. You've closed. So, Madam Secretary, please call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
This is file item number 43 AB 3211. The motion is do pass as amended, to Senate Governmental Organization. [Roll call] Six to two.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
62. We're gonna put that on call. Thank you very much. All right, Members, we're gonna. In just a moment, we're going to go through the role. I'm hoping that those who are within earshot will present themselves here as quickly as is possible. So why don't we do this? We will get started. Yes.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
We've got a long way to go, so let's get started. Let's start at the very top. I know we've started to go through some of this, but let's start at the very top. And if Members come in later, we'll come back and do it one more time. So, counting down 10. 987-65-4321 all right, let's go on the consent calendar.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Consent calendar is adopted.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Motion made by Senator Stern.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Senator Stern moves.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Senator Stern moves.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
Stern moves, Senator Senator moves.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
9-0 bills out.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
8-2 bills out.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
7-2 bills out.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
8-2 bills out.
- Committee Secretary
Person
[Roll Call]
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
8-2 bills out. We're finished. But note for next week, we start at 9:30, not 1:30, but 9:30. In the state capitol room and in the state capitol. I don't know which room. Which room. Yes, consents out. I think everybody's on. Okay, well, we're starting next week in the state, you know, the old white building at 09:30 a.m. and then we will have a special order of business at 01:30 a.m. that's the newspaper present. I'm sorry. Yeah. 01:30 p.m.
- Thomas Umberg
Legislator
That was freudian 1:30 in the afternoon on the Newspaper Preservation act by Senator. By assemblymember Wicks. All right, thank you. We're adjourned.
Committee Action:Passed
Next bill discussion: August 26, 2024
Previous bill discussion: June 5, 2024
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