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==== [[Template:Composer sidebar]] ====
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* {{Tfd links|Composer sidebar}}
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'''As well as the ~70 templates which are based on it''' ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&target=Template%3AComposer+sidebar&namespace=10 see search]).
 
RecentThe nominationsresult of tensthe ofdiscussion suchwas templates,'''relisted'''<!-- onTfd threetop dates--> on ([[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 SeptemberOctober 2830#Template:Composer sidebar|September2020 28October 30]],. <small>[[Wikipedia:TemplatesNACD|(non-admin for discussionclosure)]]</Log/2020small> October 5[[User:ProcrastinatingReader|October 5ProcrastinatingReader]], ([[WikipediaUser talk:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 October 8ProcrastinatingReader|October 8talk]]) resulted11:19, without30 exception,October in deletion.2020 (UTC)
* {{tfd links|Composer_sidebar}}
 
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They were nominated for:
 
* (in some cases) failing WP:NENAN (i.e. for containing too few links to justify their existence)
* for being redundant to and less useful than footer navboxes
* for hiding their image - often an article's lead image - from mobile users, who (on latest figures) make up 57% of our users.
 
(Some were also unused.)
 
The remaining templates, and the parent, are nominated on the same basis.
 
Arguments for keeping them which were not upheld in the previous discussions included that they were "deliberately narrower in scope to the one to which it is claimed to be redundant", that they "serve a useful navigational purpose for this set of articles", "NENAN is an essay", and "these are sidebars, not navboxes".
 
In each case, the image should be moved into respective articles before the template is removed.
 
There have previously been objections both to nominating templates of this type in batches; and to doing so individually; see [[Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion#Sidebar batch nominations]] for discussion on that point. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:28, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
*Thanks for proposing this set Andy, and for your thoughtful nomination. I think these templates should be '''kept''' as I think they are useful for navigation and, if it is just a problem with the images, the sidebars can be edited rather than removed. On the other hand I'm aware this is not likely to be the community consensus. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 20:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Replace with the footer template option and delete sidebar version'''. Sidebar templates take precious real-estate at the top of the screen. Unlike an infobox which provides users with summary of key points, this sidebars are purely for navigation purposes. This is highlighted by the fact that the code they use is not supported by mobile and unseen by those readers. For navigation templates, their place is at the bottom of the page where our readers are used to finding them. As Andy pointed out, any image should be kept and used in the article, and as the previous batch has shown, often it would be an even better image which is about the specific piece and not the general image of the individual who composed it. Additionally, many of the pages have received {{tl|Infobox opera}} as a replacement, which is even more useful. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 22:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' – There aren't any horizontal navigation bars for many of the composers that use this template. The argument about visibility for mobile users is flawed because they don't see horizontal navigation bars either. There's no benefit in deleting this and more than 60 other templates, and considerable disadvantage. If opera sidebars are to be deleted, concentrating on those composers who have a horizontal a navigation bar would be more fruitful. -- [[User:Michael Bednarek|Michael Bednarek]] ([[User talk:Michael Bednarek|talk]]) 01:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
**A number of the previously deleted templates referred to above (particularly the October 8 batch) also had no equivalent navbox when nominated; in each case, horizontal navboxes were created and deployed before the sidebars were removed. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', per MB and LT. People who feel that only bottom navboxes should be used are welcome to propose that at a central venue, but at the moment there are thousands of articles using sidebars, not limited to this set. Concerns around image placement/selection can be addressed by means other than deletion. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 01:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
**As noted this was not the finding of ''any'' of the three previous sets of deletion nominations. Not all sidebars are attempting to be navboxes, especially not redundant navboxes, and there are 2.8 ''million'' transclusions of {{tl|Navbox}}. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 
==== [[Module:Naval Vessel Register URL/rules]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''Delete'''; deleted by {{admin|Fastily}} [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#880">⚡</span>]] 08:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)<!-- Tfd top -->
* {{Tfd links|Naval Vessel Register URL/rules|module=Module:}}
No longer used after [[Special:Diff/799049703]] [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Sclass]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''merge'''<!-- Tfd top -->. Along the lines of Trappist and Gonnym. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 16:47, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Sclass|module=|type=merge}}
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'''Propose merging''' [[Template:Sclass]] with [[Template:Sclass-]] and
[[Template:Sclass2]] with [[Template:Sclass2-]] <br />
Templates for linking to X-class Y such as {{sclass-Sclass|Ohio|submarine}}. The difference between them is that one hyphenates the link and the others doesn't. {{tl|Sclass}} is deprecated since 2018 and a simple redirect to {{tl|Sclass-}} should be enough for the links to be preserved. This can be verified using a simple [[WP:quarry|quarry]] and if any are missed several good redirects will be created in the process. Exact same thing applies for non-italicized sclass2 templates. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 13:58, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
:It was intended that {{tlx|sclass-}} and {{tlx|sclass2-}} live short lives; that once all of the ship-class article titles had been properly hyphenated, {{tnull|sclass}} and {{tnull|sclass2}} should be updated to link to hyphenated article titles and {{tnull|sclass-}} and {{tnull|sclass2-}} redirected to {{tnull|sclass}} and {{tnull|sclass2}}. Further, it was intended that the {{tnull|sclass-}} and {{tnull|sclass2-}} redirect transclusions should be replaced with {{tnull|sclass}} and {{tnull|sclass2}} through normal maintenance until the redirects were no longer needed at which point the redirects would be deleted.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 14:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* Sclass and Sclass2 only have 1 mainspace usages, which seems to mean that all ship-class article titles have been hyphenated. Per Trappist the monk's response that the intent was for the Sclass- and Sclass2- to be temporarily, I support a two step solution: Change Sclass and Sclass2 code to match the hyphenated versions then replace all usages of the hyphenated versions with the non-hyphenated template name. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 14:45, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* And now thousands of articles are rendered unreadable by this proposal - these templates are designed to be used inline so you are breaking the articles - please fix this.[[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] ([[User talk:Nigel Ish|talk]]) 22:23, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:RFARcasenav]] ====
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==== [[Template:Loc]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top --> after replacing usages with {{t|Country study}}, or an alternate template as appropriate. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 11:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Loc}}
Notice that text from a Library of Congress Country Study is used in an article, which is deprecated in favor of {{tl|Country study}}. While replacement will take significant manual work, the template should be placed in the [[WP:TFDH|holding cell]] so it won't be forgotten and there is a clear consensus in favor for the replacement. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 13:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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**** Oh yeah, cluttering the search results is a drawback. Otherwise: deprecating certainly does not require TfD red tape, and new users will hardly have a hard time figuring out whether to use a template that says on its page in big red letters "Do not use". As for keeping in sync, or integrating with other templates or modules, why would anyone want to make such improvements to deprecated templates? – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 01:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
***** Because when the templates are "deprecated" but still in use, sometimes in over 1k+ of mainspace articles, those templates still need to keep up-to-date with new HTML specifications, MoS updates and other consensus changes. As an example from our /holding cell section see [[Template:Aircraft specifications]] which was deprecated with another similar template for a newer version which was almost the same, but with updates. It was left to rot as deprecated because no one wanted to deal with fixing them, which Trialpears was slowly doing. Also, to answer your question why would anyone use a template that is marked as deprecated? Most just copy/paste from one article to the next and others don't care. [[Template:Wikify]] is still being used in mainspace every now and then. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:35, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' I disagree with the principle of keeping templates around as deprecated indefinitely. If a template should not be used, and is not used, then there's no point in having a template. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 13:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' We should be replacing this with footnotes that tie the specific text copied to the reference. See, for example, [[Forestry in Chad]]. I agree that {{tl|Loc}} is a terrible, but {{tl|country study}} is only marginally better. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 20:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
*:{{u|Calliopejen1}}, proper usage of templates in [[:Category:Attribution templates]] is to use them for copyright attribution, but to also include inline referencing. This is however often missed and should probably be clearer from documentation and possibly preview only text as well. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 20:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
*::I disagree with this approach, but that is a topic for broader discussion. Putting copyright attribution in places other than footnotes is not legally required and simply results in cluttery attribution templates that are never removed, even when the underlying content is. No need to respond here; I'll address this somewhere better than this deletion discussion. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 20:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
*:::FYI, I looked at how {{tl|country study}} was actually being used, and it's almost always just used in a footnote like a normal citation, even though it was kind of oddly formatted for that. I changed its formatting so that it's in line with other citation templates, with {{tl|PD-notice}} at the end. I still think it's a kludgy way to cite (the parameters the template accepts aren't great, and {{tl|cite encyclopedia}} is better than {{tl|cite book}}, which {{tl|country study}} is based on, for this) but I withdraw my overall objection to {{tl|country study}}. It's definitely a step in the right direction... [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 06:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Dispute-resolution/medcom]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''Delete'''; deleted by {{admin|Fastily}} [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#880">⚡</span>]] 08:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)<!-- Tfd top -->
* {{Tfd links|Dispute-resolution/medcom}}
Unused and deprecated sidebar redundant to {{tl|Dispute-resolution}}. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 12:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' there is an existing dispute resolution template, this is unused, and I don't see the benefit in retaining this template for historical purposes. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 13:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Assessed]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 17:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Assessed}}
Deprecated talk page banner informing users that the article was assessed for quality a specific week. The problem with this is that no one cares about this, especially since they were all added circa 2006. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 12:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' definitely delete this. Millions of articles are now assessed; there's no need to note on a template that this happened in a week in 2006, and it certainly adds clutter wherever it is. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom and Tom. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 01:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
*'''Query''' {{ping|Trialpears}} should this not be added to {{t|Article history}}, since the reviews did have their own subpages? Or, is it not worthwhile? [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 11:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Add-desc-S]] ====
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* {{Tfd links|Add-desc-S|module=|type=merge}}
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* {{Tfd links|Add-desc-I|module=|type=merge}}
 
'''Propose merging''' [[Template:Add-desc-S]] with [[Template:Add-desc-I]].<br />
The result of the discussion was '''relisted'''<!-- Tfd top --> on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 October 30#Template:Add-desc-S|2020 October 30]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 11:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Both templates notify the user that the file they added is missing information. No need for a spacecraft specific one, just as we don't need one for every type of media out there. I'll note that both templates aren't in Twinkle (that I could see), so not sure if these are even used at all. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* {{tfd links|Add-desc-S}}
* {{tfd links|Add-desc-I}}
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==== [[Template:AMEX link]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. Deleted by Fastily (bot isn't processing the close for some reason). <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 16:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|AMEX link}}
Unused version of [[Template:NYSE American]]. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:10, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' unused and superseded. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' it is not superseeded. Like all the other templates in [[:Category:Ticker symbol templates - link only]] the purpose is to provide a link directly to the exchanges website with nothing else. [[Template:NYSE American]] is for use in inline text and info boxes. The other templates in that category are often used usually in tables where just the link is better suited. This template might find use in the future too. --[[User:Svgalbertian|Svgalbertian]] ([[User talk:Svgalbertian|talk]]) 01:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
** What future exactly? It was created 8 years ago and its unused. That should tell you something. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 12:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
**:Maybe it's just unused at present? Maybe this template was used 2 weeks ago, as well, and isn't currently, and may be in a few more weeks? Some/most of the ones in the cat only have a couple of usages themselves. This nomination of one template seems to make the argument that nothing in [[:Category:Ticker symbol templates - link only]] should be kept (as they'd ''all'' be duplicates of their full-version), yet not all are nominated, so we can't really have a real discussion on whether they're all worthless or not. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 20:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 13:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:2014 MAAC men's soccer standings]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. Deleted by Fastily (bot isn't processing the close for some reason). <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 16:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|2014 MAAC men's soccer standings}}
Unused in the article(s) it can be used, so either the community does not want it or it should be added. It should also be noted that since the bundled nomination a year and a half ago, it's still unused. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Seems that a slightly simpler version: {{tl|2014 Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference men's soccer standings}} is used in [[2014 NCAA Division I men's soccer season]]. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 20:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Point Cook Football Club]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 14:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|Point Cook Football Club}}
The template isn't really needed as the club is notable enough. [[User:HawkAussie|HawkAussie]] ([[User talk:HawkAussie|talk]]) 07:58, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' this club really isn't notable enough; the navbox links to another team. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' Just confusing. As noted above, many of the links are to a different team altogether. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 21:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:SubTable]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 14:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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Unused template with no documentation or clear purpose. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 06:53, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. No purpose and unused. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 13:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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