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== Woody Guthrie's song ==
There's a good song by Woody called "Oregon trail". You might want to include the mention. Cheers, --[[User:CopperKettle|<
== Oregon Trail and Santa Fe Trail ==
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== Length ==
I see that there is concern that this article may be too long. I suggest splitting into [[History of the Oregon Trail]] and [[Route of the Oregon Trail]], as those sections are the longest and the broadest topics, and leaving a concise summary of those topics in this article. Any other ideas, or is this what should be done? --[[User:Jsayre64|<
: Sounds like a good plan! Also probably a good idea to cut the [[WP:LEAD|lead §]] to 4 or 5 short paragraphs. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 15:48, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
::I'm not sure what details to omit, but I ran a copyedit and overall it removed the number of characters... surprising how many mistakes there were. :-) --[[User:Jsayre64|<
:::Since this hasn't proved to be much of a discussion, I've been bold and created [[History of the Oregon Trail]]. If there are concerns out there, now's the time to state them! :-) [[User:Jsayre64|<
::::it's not too long for such an important topic. But splitting it this way is not helpful--people who only read one of the two articles will be thoroughly confused. Recommend keeping as it was. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 23:20, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
The article is at 125 KB, which is in the 'almost certainly should be divided' range. It's also very hard to tell from the article what counts as the Oregon Trail what's just a trip out west. May I suggest that we focus our attention on the path west to the Platte, along the Platte, the North Platte, and the Sweetwater, through the South Pass, to the Green River, Snake River, and then into Oregon? An initial section can discuss Trail Blazers, and discuss Lewis and Clark's exploration of the Snake and the Columbia and talk about the impracticality of their path across the Rockies. The discussion of the Astorians should focus on Fort Astoria and Stuart's trip back. The discussion of the Northwest Company should focus on Forts Nez Perces, Vancouver, and Boise and omit Forts Colville and Victoria. And so on. Stuff that isn't directly relevant to that particular path should be omitted or curtailed. [[User:Beamish Son|Beamish Son]] ([[User talk:Beamish Son|talk]]) 03:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
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[[User:Bapopik|Barry]] ([[User talk:Bapopik|talk]]) 16:24, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
: Thanks for the suggestion, [[User:Bapopik|Barry]]. I made a slight change -- I did not use very confident language, because I haven't dug into it as much as you, and I'm not sure it wasn't said by Carson. Hopefully this is at least a small improvement; perhaps others will be able to state it more strongly, with better referencing. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 18:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
==Surprised not to find a brief section under Legacy on Literature==
Perhaps I might bring the benefit of being an outsider? I am not a US citizen or descendant! But I was surprised not to find a brief section on Oregon Trail Literature - under Legacy for example. It seems it is taught in the USA - quite rightly, I suppose, in view of its historic importance. See for e.g. "Recommended Oregon Trail Books for Students- An Annotated Bibliography," which I quickly found using a well-known search engine.
I would not presume to draft the proposed section, however - sorry but not in my realm of experience.
[[User:Cylicodiscus|Okan]] 12:05, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
An Annotated Bibliography
== Oregon Trail in Idaho ==
I don't see any mention of the Oregon Trail in Idaho following the geologic remains of the Yellowstone Hotspot, which had "flattened" out the landscape allowing a large portion of the trail to go over non-mountainous terrain. Just a neat historical comment that the six or so eruptions of the Yellowstone supervolcano over the past 16 million years "paved" the way for the settlers of the 1800's to transverse a relatively "easy" path.
[[User:Ted from Florida|Ted from Florida]] ([[User talk:Ted from Florida|talk]]) 21:57, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
==Iowa Section under Routes==
I've begun looking at the trail articles a bit closer as I'm looking to added a linking system; i.e., Before xxx , After xxx; in the articles along each trail. Two items I have a concern about.
===Iowa ===
The Oregon trail, this article, did not go through Iowa. Everything I've read shows that it started in Missouri (KC) then through Kansas to Nebraska. If a trail user entered the trail from Omaha or Nebraska City, they came independently up the Missouri River or overland. Anyways there is no Iowa linkage linkage on the Nat'l Historic Trail designation. The section reads solely as a history of Iowa, no trail mention. I recommend the section be removed.
:I agree that the section can be 99% removed with the rest rewritten per your analysis. But if you completely remove it, there will be an inconsistency with the second map in the infobox which shows a branch of the trail starting in [[Council Bluffs]], which is in Iowa. [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Oregon_Trail/YBZMbIYodWcC?hl=en&gbpv=0 The Oregon Trail: An American Saga] (listed in the bibliography of this article) has multiple mentions of settlers choosing various starting points along the Missouri, including Council Bluffs. In addition, other sources such as the [[National Historic Oregon Trail Interpretive Center]] shows a [https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/learn_interp_nhotic_trailmap.pdf map called "The Oregon Trail"] which again shows a branch of the Oregon Trail starting in Council Bluffs. That map is interesting because it calls the trail that this article deals with the "Old Oregon Trail". It also shows trails which we wouldn't normally call the "Oregon Trail" today. This is all probably going to come down to a question of whether or not there was just one single canonical trail, as this article claims, or multiple variations in common use at the time of settlement. [[User:Orange Suede Sofa|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:DarkGreen;">Orange Suede Sofa</span>]] ([[User talk:Orange Suede Sofa|talk]]) 02:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
===Mormon emigration===
Now, here is an Iowa link, the Mormon Pioneer Trail, does cross Iowa and there is an extensive section 'Mormon emigration' in the History Section. It's linked to the main article on Mormon emigration. The first paragraph is a recap of Mormon trail history, outside the preview of this article. It should be capsulized. The second paragraph implies that the Mormons traveled the California and Oregon Trail, where as the trails overlapped through Wyoming, the Mormons were not using these other trails, they had their own guides, supply processes, camping spots and it's only from Fort Laramie in Wyoming to Fort Bridger (Wyoming) that the routes overlapped. This material is well covered in the [[Mormon Trail]] article and should be reduced dramatically here. The last paragraph does add information about the non-Mormon users of the Oregon & California Trail.
* I'm working on the points of interest along all three trails, but will return in several months to begin renovations of this article in these two sections. Comments are welcome changes by other editors welcome. --[[User:Chris Light|Chris Light]] ([[User talk:Chris Light|talk]]) 19:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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