Talk:Member of parliament: Difference between revisions

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== Capitalisation of article title ==

When used as a title obviously it should be capitalised (e.g.: ''Joe Bloggs Member of Parliament'') but then the acronym is always used. Elsewhere it makes little sense (i.e.: it should be ''Joe Bloggs is a member of parliament''). Even ''member of Parliament'' would be just acceptable if it was clear we were talking about a specific parliament (as ''Parliament'' could be shorthand for ''Parliament of ...'') but we aren't in this article. The same thing applies to simlar articles like ''[[Assembly Member]]''.

 

 

== Is not the House of Lords PART of the British Parliament? ==

My friends in the UK are describing the Wikipedia as "a great work of fiction" based in part on the claim that an MP is a representative elected by the voters of an electoral district and that, therefore, members of the House of Lords are not Members of Parliament. I see absolutely NO sources or references in the article for restricting the term MP to the Commons in the UK (There seems to be a little somehting for that in Australia.) Can someone provide an authoritative reference? [[User:Pzavon|Pzavon]] 01:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

: Well it's undoubtedly the case that some peers are 'members of parliament' but they are not nor have they ever been called either that or MPs. [[User:Alci12|Alci12]] 20:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

 

== Missing: Parliament of Kenya ==

Kenyan Parliament, homepage http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/

To be added --[[User:RicHard|RicHard]] ([[User talk:RicHard|talk]]) 14:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

 

== Details on UK MP's remuneration to new section? ==

I think the topical importance of MP's remuneration means that this section warrants its own entry.

I'll look at seeing how this might be done [[User:Cloversmate|Cloversmate]] ([[User talk:Cloversmate|talk]]) 22:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

 

== Welsh Assembly and Welsh Government ==

The subsection on Wales currently starts:

 

 

== "The term Member of Parliament is often shortened in the media and in every day use to the initialism 'MP'." ==

Despite having lived in the U.S. for some 20-odd years, I saw the term, "MP," to refer a member of parliament for the first time today. It might be a good idea to change this text to something along the lines of, "In many English-speaking parliamentary countries, the term...." It's additionally confusing because the term, "MP," typically refers to military police in the U.S. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/219.121.17.189|219.121.17.189]] ([[User talk:219.121.17.189|talk]]) 05:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I don't see a problem with the sentence. It is factually accurate and there is no evidence that usage is limited to within English speaking countries only. There are many acronyms with multiple meanings but we don't constantly have to worry about the alternative meanings. The context of "Member of Parliament is often shortened... to the initialism 'MP'" makes it clear this is not about the US military police. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 09:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

 

:Even in UK English the generic lowercase version is not uncommon. The caps one is for their own Parliament, natch. Anyway, if you would support, we can try again. I don't know why this one wasn't relisted to get some opinions. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

:::So should I just do another RM, or perhaps question the non-admin close that should have been a re-list at [[WP:MRV]]? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 16:15, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

::::I'll just do another RM. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 16:18, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

* '''Support''' as nom. Please review the article to see that the title is not referring to a particular entity, so can't possibly be a proper name. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 16:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

*'''Support''' This term in itself is as generic as it comes. capitalisation is very context dependent. There are many parliaments, including the Mother of parliaments. . There are also many members of parliament, like the member of Parliament for Finchley. People often fall into the trap of excess capitalisation, as demonstrated by BHG above, and just asserting it's a proper noun does not make it so. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">[[User:Ohconfucius|'''<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#00FF00">&nbsp;Ohc&nbsp;</span>''']]</span></small>[[User talk:Ohconfucius|^{''¡digame!''}]] 06:57, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

*'''Support''' for all reasons already listed here, and my research documented under [[#Requested move: let's get our facts straight|Requested move: let's get our facts straight]] showing that British English allows ''member of parliament'' even for a member of a specific national parliament, let alone the completely generic use. —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 02:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

*'''Support''' I don't see how this can even be considered a proper noun in this case since the article is not about members of a particular parliament. This is different than something like [[List of House members of the 41st Parliament of Canada]] because that is not an article about members of one specific parliament not a general article on the subject as this is. It's also the same reason that [[List of Vice Presidents of the United States]] is capitalized whereas the general [[Vice president]] article is not.--[[Special:Contributions/67.70.140.89|67.70.140.89]] ([[User talk:67.70.140.89|talk]]) 02:43, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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== Westminster vs others ==

== Requested move 12 November 2021 ==

 

 

[[:Member of parliament]] → {{no redirect|Member of Parliament}} – This is a title which is capitalised in reliable sources, including the UK Parliament's own website. [[https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/]] [[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=At_tD-XpWKMC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&dq=Member+of+Parliament&hl=en&source=newbks_fb&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22Member%20of%20Parliament%22&f=false]] [[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vTff_YwkKSYC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&dq=Member+of+Parliament&hl=en&source=newbks_fb&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Member%20of%20Parliament&f=false]] Google ngrams shows capitals to be most commonly used. [[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Member+of+Parliament%2Cmember+of+parliament&year_start=2000&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3]]. I confess to only having looked at British English sources but that is purely because the article is written in British English. [[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 06:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per BarrelProof. No specific parliament is being referred to. '''[[User:LSGH|LSGH]]''' ([[User talk:LSGH|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/LSGH|contributions]]) 15:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

'''Comment''' I would have preferred to see some reliable sources, which is what we are supposed to be following. I concede that the sources I have presented refer to a particular parliament but they do not refer to a particular member, and yet member is still capitalised. In addition, can anyone explain why, in this same article, Member of Congress and Senate Parliamentarian (both job titles) retain their capitals? Thanks --[[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 08:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)