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==Devvo==
"Under the pseudonym Devvo, David Firth has released videos, produced four short films for Screenwipe on Channel 4 and released several singles. Devvo is a character that parodies chav culture in the UK."
It is probably not intentional, but I think this could imply that Firth actually portrays the character of Devvo, which is not the case as the role is actually played by one of his friends. Maybe this should be reworded.
[[User:Malveril|Malveril]] ([[User talk:Malveril|talk]]) 05:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I agree.
[[User:Geo Seven|Geo Seven]] ([[User talk:Geo Seven|talk]]) 16:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
==Deletion and recreation==
I am as optimistic as anyone about creating an article about David Firth. Before this article was deleted, there was much more information about him and his works.
A few years ago, it was considered for deletion, and the consensus was to redirect "David Firth" to "Salad Fingers" (his most noteworthy work at the time), and of course, it was recently deleted completely.
So, why was this article deleted? And would it be appropriate to create the article again?
There is still information about David Firth from the previous article, courtesy of the Wayback Machine (the latest version is January 2007). Would it be appropriate to add this information to the article?
http://web.archive.org/web/20070101212310/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Firth
[[User:Keshidragon|Keshidragon]] ([[User talk:Keshidragon|talk]]) 21:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that David Firth article should not keep getting deleted because he is a very popular animator. He is a YouTube partner (doki66) and if there is an article about one of his animations then there should be a article about the owner, David Firth too, so the article should stay i think. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dxzq|Dxzq]] ([[User talk:Dxzq|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dxzq|contribs]]) 21:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I agree. I heard of David Firth and his creations from a wide range of sources, from word-of-mouth to UK television. I relied on Wikipedia to provide more information about this interesting artist. Before this article was deleted, Wikipedia fulfilled and exceeded my expectations by serving the information I was after. Now it does not; the new article is very much sub-par. IMHO the original article should be restored. --[[Special:Contributions/82.71.4.31|82.71.4.31]] ([[User talk:82.71.4.31|talk]]) 19:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Why was this deleted in the first place??? [[User:Ya Boi Krakerz|<span style="color:#f00;">Y</span>]][[User talk:Ya Boi Krakerz|<span style="color:#0000ff;">B</span>]][[User:Ya Boi Krakerz|<span style="color:Green;">K</span>]]''
:I reckon it had something to do with a couple admins not much caring for the guy. To not include David Firth in Wikipedia is to not include Jesus in the Bible. ''"Fuck you, Graham!"'' [[User:Swamilive|Swamilive]] ([[User talk:Swamilive|talk]]) 00:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
::I reckon it had something to do with [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Firth|three]] [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Firth (2nd nomination)|AfD]] [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Firth (3rd nomination)|discussions]]. --[[User:Geniac|Geniac]] ([[User talk:Geniac|talk]]) 13:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Y'reckon? [[User:Swamilive|Swamilive]] ([[User talk:Swamilive|talk]]) 15:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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Is it just me or does it seem like Wikipedia admins are becoming more anal than ever. This whole David Firth thing reminds me of the rediculously overblown debate on whether or not to have an Angry Video Game Nerd article.<br />
It also reminds me of why I left Moby Games. I had a rare game they did not believe existed and because I could not find a source on the internet or a magazine to verify my claim that it existed they deleted it from the system.<br />
Anyway I think there definatly should be an article on Firth, but on the other hand there really is no hard facts about the guy other than his works. Kind of a catch 22.<br />
Either way though you would think that the article would mention some of his other popular works like Burnt Face Man or Men From Up The Stairs.<br />
[[User:Geo Seven|Geo Seven]] ([[User talk:Geo Seven|talk]]) 16:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Yes, they are most definitely becoming more anal lol <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Omegakingboo|Omegakingboo]] ([[User talk:Omegakingboo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omegakingboo|contribs]]) 05:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
The most annoying thing was trying to read those Article for Deletion discussions and being swarmed with links to indecipherable acronyms under the WP namespace. This almost seems like a [[Cant (language)|cant]] of sorts, designed to make such discussions extremely hard-to-follow to relative outsiders such as myself. I realize this is rather off-topic but seriously, why do people do that? Why can't you at least link to the full word. Is "Notability" that much harder to type than the letter "N"? --[[User:Insidious611|Insidious611]] ([[User talk:Insidious611|talk]]) 17:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
: You're thinking about the third one in particular. My personal theory is that if Firth was American, and had the same relative level of notability over there, any attempt to delete the article would result in the nominator being blocked for a week. -[[User:Ashley Pomeroy|Ashley Pomeroy]] ([[User talk:Ashley Pomeroy|talk]]) 22:06, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Deletes this Son of a Beenatch-[[User:Jim|Jim]] ([[User talk:Jim|talk]]) 22:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.151.123.247|193.151.123.247]] ([[User talk:193.151.123.247|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Jerry Jackson? ==
It's still him, right? [[Special:Contributions/64.20.10.210|64.20.10.210]] ([[User talk:64.20.10.210|talk]]) 10:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, Jerry Jackson is a Pseudonym of David Firth.
[[User:Conkern65|Conkern65]] ([[User talk:Conkern65|talk]]) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
== Picture of David Firth ==
If no one is going to, I will upload a picture later.
[[User:Conkern65|Conkern65]] ([[User talk:Conkern65|talk]]) 20:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
== English? ==
I think he's Welsh. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.17.134.7|24.17.134.7]] ([[User talk:24.17.134.7|talk]]) 10:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:No, he's definitely English. He lives in the North of England. [[Special:Contributions/82.32.11.95|82.32.11.95]] ([[User talk:82.32.11.95|talk]]) 18:58, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
== Currently Titled <b> ''Currently Titled'' </b> ==
"He is ''currently'' working on his first animated feature film, ''currently'' titled "The Meadow Man". Firth believes the title will eventually change, though has said that ''for now'' it is the official title...".
The redundant, multiple uses of the word 'currently' with its synonym 'for now' should suggest immediate reconsideration. Basically the phrase 'currently titled' requires no explanation here.
Then... perhaps we can consider the way that way we identify a work of art relates not to the edict of the auteur, but to social conventions. Under capitalism no "title" is reliably permanent. The <i>[[copyright holder]]</i> of any work may re-title it for wise marketing reasons- or indefensible personal reasons- ad lib'[ie., 'at will']. And indeed we have seen composers who loathe the names and associations given to their music by their publishers. For 40 years Mozart's piano concerto #21 has been aka [[Piano_Concerto_No._21_(Mozart)#Nickname|"Elvira Madigan"]].
OTOH import and originality tend to preserve auteur intent. Mozart wrote so many concertos that new names could be helpful. '''[[User:Hilarleo|<span style="color:orange;">Hilar</span><span style="color:red;">leo</span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Hilarleo|<b><sup><small><span style="color:orange;">Hey,</span><span style="color:red;">L.E.O.</span></small></sup></b>]]'' 07:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
== Fair use candidate from Commons: [[:File:David Firth, Salad Fingers Animator, 2012.jpg]] ==
The file [[:File:David Firth, Salad Fingers Animator, 2012.jpg]], used on this page, has been [[:commons:File:David Firth, Salad Fingers Animator, 2012.jpg|deleted from Wikimedia Commons]] and re-uploaded at [[:File:David Firth, Salad Fingers Animator, 2012.jpg]]. It should be reviewed to determine if it is compliant with this project's non-free content policy, or else should be deleted and removed from this page. If no action is taken, it will be deleted after 7 days. [[User:Commons fair use upload bot|Commons fair use upload bot]] ([[User talk:Commons fair use upload bot|talk]]) 05:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
== Name, date and place of birth ==
IMDb gives Firth's date and place of birth as 23 January 1983 in Doncaster [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2346983/bio here]. [[FreeBMD]] supports this, and a middle name of John, in it's birth entry [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=270654722:3456&d=bmd_1646647063 here]. Amazon also gives the same date and place [https://www.amazon.co.uk/prime-video/actor/David-Firth/nm2346983/ here] as does last.fm [https://www.last.fm/music/David+Firth here]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
:Per [[WP:DOB]], {{tq|Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources|q=yes}}. [[WP:IMDB]] and [[WP:RSPAMAZON]] are both unreliable. FreeBMD is effectively a birth index, hence a primary source, which generally shouldn't be used, see [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]]. Last.fm is [[Wikipedia:Deprecated sources|deprecated]]. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 12:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::I'm suggesting that at least the available sources agree. What about [[Last.fm]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:08, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
:::What does it matter if the available sources are unusable? [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 12:10, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::::FreeBMD is rarely wrong. Even though it is precluded, by [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]], from use in an article, it can be used to help determine the most likely name, location or date from amongst competing claims. If other editors find reliable source(s) for these details, they might find it useful. My question was about [[Last.fm]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::The fact that it is apparently so difficult to find anything usable on this sort of information (let alone ''any'' substantive information on the subject) strongly suggests that David Firth's DOB and POB are simply not {{tq|'''widely''' published by reliable sources|q=yes}}. I will assure you that no other editor will be able to prove this sort of broad coverage required by [[WP:DOB]]. I've addressed Last.fm in my first response. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 12:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest that it's 99% certain that Frith was born in Doncaster, on 23 January 1983, with the middle name of John. But yes, WP rules prevent this information from being added. I disagree that this is necessarily related to there being a lack of "substantive information on the subject". Many BLP articles have in-depth interviews with their subjects without place and date of birth, or middle names being mentioned. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:32, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Again, not really what I said. I suggested that you won't find his DOB and POB ''widely'' published by reliable sources. Plain interviews are certainly not the best sources for substantive information on a subject in a BLP because they are primary. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 12:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Here's another source for [https://secretmanchester.com/salad-fingers-manchester-live-show/ Doncaster] that is not classified as deprecated. And another [https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/new-salad-fingers-david-firth-2-217967 here]. He's also mentioned in this piece about Doncaster in [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/11/doncaster-romance-janice-turner ''The Guardian'']. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:43, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::The ''Guardian'' source claims MC Devvo was born there, not Firth himself. Those other two fringe sources certainly don't constitute "widely published". [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 12:50, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::Can those sources be used to support his place of birth or not? What's on your list of "widely published"? Or perhaps it's just a single number? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:56, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::Just those, in my opinion, no. It's up to you how you interpret "''widely'' published by reliable sources". I interpret it as meaning published in at least four or five [[WP:RSPSOURCES|safely reliable]] sources (meaning the green ones on that list).
:::::::::::There is a high standard of inclusion for a reason. We're talking about personal information here. We should always assume that the subject does not wish this sort of information to be public unless they publish it themselves. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 13:04, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::So is that at least four or at least five? Just to be clear, you're saying not only that '''"at least four [[WP:RSPSOURCES|safely reliable]] sources"''' need to have published these details, before they could be added, but so does the subject personally himself. I've never come across that level of sourcing requirement before in 15 years of editing. I've seen countless BLP articles which rely on just one or two sources for such details, with no suggestion that "the subject has published them themselves". Nor the suggestion that their own personal wishes make any difference whatsoever. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:42, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I've linked to [[WP:DOB]] multiple times now. Read it. I'm not here to discuss what's being done on other articles. I'm here to discuss this article's compliance with WP policies, nothing more and nothing less. Personal information is certainly protected on Wikipedia, even of notable people, unless a comparatively high threshold of reliable coverage is met. What this exact threshold is has to be established through consensus because it is not clearly defined by policy. I think we can all agree however that two sources mentioning his birthplace does not constitue "widely published". [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 13:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I've had enough of your instructions and personally-decided criteria, thanks. Good luck. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:10, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
== Shouldn't be deleted ==
Definitely notable for Salad Fingers, and also for Devvo. Both of those have pages on wikipedia. Obviously, just being related to these two things doesn't mean he is notable enough for a page, but I don't see how he is not notable. He has done animations on Charlie Brookers screenwipe, various things for other shows, made animations for the BBC and playboy, so it's not like he's just some guy who happens to be related to multiple notable things.
EDIT: I know we're not meant to compare articles, but I see David Lovelace was also nominated for deletion but had it declined as notability was asserted. I'd have to say that Firth is far more notable than lovelace. At least from what I see. [[User:Anoldtreeok|Anoldtreeok]] ([[User talk:Anoldtreeok|talk]]) 04:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
He also is credited for at least one episode of Smiling Friends now which should be more than enough for at least a small article [[User:Omicron91|Omicron91]] ([[User talk:Omicron91|talk]]) 09:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
:As [[User:ThadeusOfNazereth|ThadeusOfNazereth]] has commented at [[Talk:Salad Fingers]], you could request a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]], which I see nobody has done yet. I see that ''[[Smiling Friends]]'' is also notable. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:33, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
::{{reply to|Anoldtreeok|Omicron91|Martinevans123}} Hey all, this is just to let y'all know that I've submitted a deletion review for David Firth. [[User:RexSueciae|RexSueciae]] ([[User talk:RexSueciae|talk]]) 21:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
:::I submitted a copy of a new draft that was rejected a few days ago, I realise I'm not the best at referencing but I have that missing info and updated stuff on there so should the deletion review be successful in the re-insertion of the original article you should be able to update/fill in some of the information through that if it's helpful.
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:David_Firth_(animator) [[User:Deathmaumau|Deathmaumau]] ([[User talk:Deathmaumau|talk]]) 10:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Hopefully something is able to be done because at the moment searching any of his work re-directs to the Salad Fingers page which is grossly unhelpful to anyone wanting to know about Devvo or Burnt Face Man or his music projects like Locust Toybox because, as expected, the Salad Fingers page has no info on those and the re-directs may lead to some confusion. [[User:Deathmaumau|Deathmaumau]] ([[User talk:Deathmaumau|talk]]) 10:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::You might want to add material from: {{cite news |last=Ball |first=Ryan |date=June 2007 |title=Rising Stars of Animation and VFX Class of 2007. David Firth: Animator, www.Fat-Pie.com |magazine=[[Animation Magazine]] |issn=1041-617X |volume=21 |issue=6 |page=32 |id={{EBSCOhost|505211778}}}} [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:45, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
== Some sources ==
I managed to break the format for deletion review stuff, then fixed it once I found the missing end-bracket. Anyways, future editors may find these sources useful:
* {{cite news |last=Foster |first=George |date=May 1, 2022 |title=Salad Fingers Creator David Firth Wiped From Wikipedia After Being Deemed "Not Notable Enough" |url=https://www.thegamer.com/salad-fingers-david-firth-creator-wikipedia-wiped/ |work=TheGamer |access-date=May 1, 2022}}
* {{cite magazine |last=Minsker |first=Evan |date=May 30, 2017 |title=Flying Lotus Appears in David Firth’s Creepy New Short Film: Watch |url=https://pitchfork.com/news/73881-flying-lotus-appears-in-david-firths-creepy-new-short-film-watch/ |magazine=[[Pitchfork (website)|Pitchfork]] |access-date=May 1, 2022}}
* {{cite magazine |author=<!--staff writer--> |date=May 31, 2017 |title=Flying Lotus features in a short film by David Firth |url=https://diymag.com/2017/05/31/flying-lotus-in-cream-short-film-david-firth-watch |magazine=[[DIY (magazine)|DIY]] |access-date=May 1, 2022}}
* {{cite magazine |last=Kim |first=Michelle Hyun |date=October 30, 2017 |title=David Firth (“Salad Fingers”) Shares New Locust Toybox Album: Listen |url=https://pitchfork.com/news/david-firth-salad-fingers-shares-new-locust-toybox-album-listen/ |magazine=[[Pitchfork (website)|Pitchfork]] |access-date=May 1, 2022}}
* {{cite news |last=Eicholtz |first=Kayla |date=August 14, 2013 |title=Youth Report: A Conversation With British Animator David Firth |url=https://www.wkms.org/arts-culture/2013-08-14/youth-report-a-conversation-with-british-animator-david-firth |work=[[WKMS-FM]] |access-date=May 1, 2022}}
* {{cite news |last=Fox |first=Chris |date=January 1, 2021 |title=Adobe Flash Player is finally laid to rest |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55497353 |work=[[BBC News]] |access-date=May 1, 2022}}
[[User:RexSueciae|RexSueciae]] ([[User talk:RexSueciae|talk]]) 21:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
:e.g. "{{tq|David Firth's ''Salad Fingers'' was a popular Flash character}}" - ''[[BBC News]]'' (1 January 2022). The argument seems to be "''Salad Fingers'' is what's famous, and it's more notable than Firth, so Firth himself can't be considered notable." Apparently there's "little topical overlap between the two articles." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:15, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
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== Place and place of birth ==
[[IMDb]] [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2346983/ here] gives "January 23, 1983 in Doncaster, England." This is supported by his [[FreeBMD]] entry [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=270663241:5556&d=bmd_1651523703 here], which also confirms his mother's maiden name as Jones. Perhaps a [[WP:RS]] can be found for these details. Secret Manchester [https://secretmanchester.com/salad-fingers-manchester-live-show/ here] says "Doncaster born David Firth", but I'm not sure if that's considered RS. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Martinevans123}} I might be being dumb, but doesn't that FreeBMD page say he was born in March? [[User:JAYFAX|JAYFAX]] ([[User talk:JAYFAX|talk]]) 19:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
::Easy mistake to make. UK birth registrations are grouped per quarter, so it just means he was born in the first quarter, which is named "March". Thanks for asking. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:01, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
:::I respectfully want to point to [[WP:DOB]], which says that Wikipedia only includes dates of birth that have been {{tq|'''widely''' published by reliable source'''s'''}}, meaning multiple reliable sources are required. I also want to note that we do not rely on unreliable sources such as IMDb–not even for general reference–or on primary sources [[WP:BLPPRIMARY|such as birth indexes]] like FreeBMD. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 23:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
::::And I respectfully suggest that this date might be useful if searching for a reliable source. That's the only reason I posted it here. If you have a more likely place and date, by all means tell us what they are. FreeBMD may not be usable, but it's generally extremely accurate. p.s. is Secret Manchester an RS or not? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::It is a reliable source. [[User:JAYFAX|JAYFAX]] ([[User talk:JAYFAX|talk]]) 20:39, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Have added. Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:25, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
== Description of Salad Fingers ==
Now, this may just be me, but describing Salad Fingers as "a strange green man who lives in a desolate world" sounds a bit unprofessional. Perhaps consider changing it to "the titular charachter salad fingers, who lives in a desolate world". [[User:Erbeilas|Erbeilas]] ([[User talk:Erbeilas|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 21:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I don't think it's unprofessional. He is indeed a strange green man (and if the sources use that terminology, I think it's the best choice). Also, I'd avoid using the word "titular" in such circumstances -- the honor "King of Jerusalem" has been a titular title for centuries, as there is no longer any land associated with it, while if something were in the title of a work then I would just use "title" e.g. the ''title'' character. [[User:RexSueciae|RexSueciae]] ([[User talk:RexSueciae|talk]]) 01:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
== David Firth History Merge? ==
Hey guys. Just out of curiosity, is there a way to combine the original history of the David Firth article ([[David Firth|the one that became a disambiguation page]]) with this new version? It probably doesn't matter too much, but I guess if people want to see its history easier it would be a good help.
Also, for whatever reason whenever you search his name on Google, the Wikipedia page shown is the disambiguation page instead of his actual article. I think it might be related to the history change, but is there also a way to fix that? If not, it's fine. Thanks, [[User:PantheonRadiance|PantheonRadiance]] ([[User talk:PantheonRadiance|talk]]) 20:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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