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== Emirate of Sicily ==
You recently edited [[Emirate of Sicily]] to add one of the unsourced, POV claims that you earlier attempted to add to numerous other articles: that the Moors were not driven out of Sicily by the mid-13th century and that they, in fact, kept practicing Islam in secret and that their descendants still practice Islam to this day. After I reverted that particular claim from the article, you brought it back, claiming that you had a reliable source to support your claim: Moriscos in Sicily in the Years of the Expulsion (1609–1614), Journal of Levantine Studies, Vol. 6, Summer/Winter 2016, pp. 333-355, available in https://www.academia.edu/35670612.
Well, I read the journal article in question, and it was a complete fabrication when you claim that it supported your contention that a few Muslims remained in Sicily after 1240 and that "in reality many were forced to practice their Islamic beliefs in secret while openly practicing Catholicism." The journal article has *nothing* to do with Sicilian Moors, and it *never* says that Muslims remained in Sicily after 1240, whether practicing in openly or in secret. The "Moriscos" in the title of the article refer to *Spanish* Moors who converted to Catholicism *in the 15th century* but secretly practiced Islam, and whose descendants *emigrated to Sicily in the early 17th century*.
It should go without saying that it is against the rules for editors on Wikipedia to claim falsely that the article that they add as a reliable source makes claims that it does not make. For you to do so after you had been warned repeatedly that you could not continue to make unsourced, POV edits on the subject makes it very hard to believe that you were not acting in bad faith when you tried to snowball the editing community with a citation to an article that doesn't come close to saying what you claimed that it said (which happened to be the exact same, unsourced claim that you keep making). I implore you once again to cease making POV and unsourced edits, and, even more importantly, not to make false claims about sources, or you're not going to last very long on Wikipedia. [[User:AuH2ORepublican|AuH2ORepublican]] ([[User talk:AuH2ORepublican|talk]]) 23:13, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:From my experience with the sources you gave at [[Talk:Brown_(racial_classification)#Sicilian_Americans]], I can only agree with {{user|AuH2ORepublican}}. --[[User:Rsk6400|Rsk6400]] ([[User talk:Rsk6400|talk]]) 05:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for taking the time to write me; this was not a POV edit, and to be clear, I was not claiming that the Moors were not driven out of Sicily by the mid-13th century and that they kept practicing Islam in secret and that their descendants still practice Islam to this day. Because it is evident that the Hohenstaufen rulers had actively attempted to expel the Sicilian Muslim population. And I am very aware that the Sicilian Muslims had been forced to convert to Catholicism. However, they didn't rid themselves of every single belief that they picked up during Muslim rule and I never claimed that their descendants still practice Islam in my edit. All I was claiming was that later on during Spanish rule, it is noted that there were active attempts to rid the island of what saw as a 'Muslim' threat around the year 1609. The source to support my claim: Moriscos in Sicily in the Years of the Expulsion (1609–1614), Journal of Levantine Studies, Vol. 6, Summer/Winter 2016, pp. 334-339 (Not 333-335), available in https://www.academia.edu/35670612. The exact quote where I got my information was, "The intransigeants got the upper hand, and instructions were given to expel all the Moors from Sicily, on the condition they not be sent back to Barbary. On April 14, 1612... It is doubtful, however, that the order was carried out in practice."
pp. 339 The main subject of this source is Moriscos population who had moved to Sicily. during this particular inquisition It is clear that some of these people, as you have stated, were Iberian Moriscos who immigrated to the island at a later point. However, not every one of people convicted during this period were "Moriscos" there was a much more significant converted how ever still 'Moorish' presence on the island than just the Moriscos. From my previous citation, "the Sicilian branch of the Holy Office was intensely involved in the repression of Islamic practices among Christian subjects, much more than anywhere else in the Spanish dominions. Obviously, the particularity of this situation stems largely from the geographical position of Sicily, its proximity to the Maghreb, and its role as a hub of the slave trade and of the redemption of cautivos (captives), Christian prisoners in the hands of Muslim masters. Renegados (renegades), Christians who either out of sheer self-interest or religious conviction had converted to Islam, fell into the clutches of the Inquisition. However, the place of "Cristianos Nuevos de Moros," also known as Moriscos (Muslims who had converted to Christianity), is of consequence, accounting for about a quarter of all the prosecutions in Sicily"
pp 334. 3/4 of the other subjects were however not of Iberian Moriscos stock and made up the majority of the people convicted during the inquisition. Some of these people were native Sicilian Catholics who had made the decision to convert to Islam and embrace their Moorish roots. Others were refugees from fleeing oppression from the Ottomans invading the Maghreb (In particular Tunisia). Because of this, I believe that my claims and source were not POV and proved the point I was trying to make. I hope that this cleared up any misunderstandings, I hope you have a great day, thank you so much for your time
[[User:Sassysoso|Sassysoso]] ([[User talk:Sassysoso#top|talk]]) 12:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
:Not true. You purposely changed a sourced statement to fit your agenda, and then claimed that the unrelated article on 17th-century Moriscos supported your claim. This is how the section read before your POV edit:
<blockquote>The annihilation of Islam in Sicily was completed by the late 1240s, when the final deportations to [[Lucera]] took place.<ref>{{cite book|first=David|last=Abulafia|author-link=David Abulafia|title=Frederick II: A Medieval Emperor |location=London|publisher=Allen Lane|year=1988}}</ref> By the time of the Sicilian Vespers in 1282 there were no Muslims in Sicily and the society was completely Latinized.</blockquote>
:This is how you changed it:
<blockquote>The attempted annihilation of Islam in Sicily, took place by the late 1240s, when the final [[Hohenstaufen]] deportations to [[Lucera]] took place.<ref>{{cite book|first=David|last=Abulafia|author-link=David Abulafia|title=Frederick II: A Medieval Emperor |location=London|publisher=Allen Lane|year=1988}}</ref> By the time of the [[Sicilian Vespers]] there were only a few Muslims in Sicily, in reality many were forced to practice their Islamic beliefs in secret while openly practicing Catholicism.</blockquote>
:You then added some irrelevant statements about the prosecution of Spanish Moriscos who moved to Sicily in the early 17th century. To reiterate, that several centuries after the eradication of Islam in Sicily some secret Muslims may have emigrated to Sicily is absolutely irrelevant to an article about the Emirate of Sicily, which is described in the very first sentence of the article as "an Islamic kingdom that ruled the island of Sicily from 831 to 1091." The Latinization of Sicilian society had been completed three and one-half centuries before the prosecutions under the Spanish Inquisition in Sicily, and your insistence in repeating your false claims about Arabs and Islam remaining an important factor in Sicily, not only in this article but in numerous others, constitutes POV pushing on your part. And when your POV pushing is combined with citing irrelevant sources and falsely claiming that they support your false statements, you are engaging in behavior that, if not corrected by you, will lead to your suspension or possible even banishment. I am not making a threat--please note that I have not reported you to any administrators--but am alerting you to how things are. Take the advice.
: By the way, you won't be able to gaslight anyone by stating that you were "not claiming that the Moors were not driven out of Sicily by the mid-13th century and that they kept practicing Islam in secret and that their descendants still practice Islam to this day." That is exactly what you did. You edited a sourced statement about the eradication of Islam in Sicily to claim that many Sicilian Moors stayed on the island and kept practicing Islam in secret, and then you repeated your usual canard about how just about everything in Sicily today originated in its Moorish past. You have falsely claimed in other articles that the Sicilian language is a descendant of Siculo-Arabic, that their typical hats originated in Muslim turbans, that their local music developed from Arabic poetry, that Sicily is a North African country, etc. In this article, you concluded your distortion of the facts concerning the eradication of Islam in Sicily and irrelevant foray into the 17th-century Spanish Inquisition with the following misleading, unsourced sentence: "Today many elements of [[Islam|Islamic religious belief]], [[Arab culture|culture]], [[Muslim tradition|tradition]] and [[Islamic culture|customs]] are present in modern Sicilian society." That is not true, even if you wish it to be true. Again, cut it out, and start editing articles in a constructive, responsible way. You obviously have a lot of interest in Sicily and free time to edit, and you could be a valuable editor of articles involving Sicily; just make sure to present a neutral point of view and to provide reliable sources. But if you keep editing the way that you have during the past couple of weeks, you may not have the opportunity to do so. [[User:AuH2ORepublican|AuH2ORepublican]] ([[User talk:AuH2ORepublican|talk]]) 15:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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In English, the Arabic word for soldiers is "junud", or within the limits of possibility it could be spelled ginud, but "giund" is impossible. Pay attention to your spelling because the publishing of a sloppy fact can cause it to be perpetuated for a hundred years - there are many historical examples. [[Special:Contributions/2605:A000:BFC0:35:DD8B:2FAC:C8A9:3165|2605:A000:BFC0:35:DD8B:2FAC:C8A9:3165]] ([[User talk:2605:A000:BFC0:35:DD8B:2FAC:C8A9:3165|talk]]) 06:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
== North African soldiers ==
There is a contentious element on the [[Army of the Two Sicilies]] article. It makes claims that there was a significant portion of the army that was comprised of North African units. There is no source material whatsoever to back this up. I am therefore going to remove the unsourced content from the article. [[User:Keith H99|Keith H99]] ([[User talk:Keith H99|talk]]) 14:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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