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== I'm back! ==
 
This article was my old stomping grounds, so I've decided to come back and clean it up. When I left, it suffered from some serious [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]] issues, and was something of a general mess. I've come back, and fixed it up - very little actual content has been removed; most was either condensed, or moved to a related page. This version reflects an encyclopedic merit much more than then the previous - and it much less prone to POV vandalism. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 08:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 
== Propose protection for article ==
 
I recently saw two cases of vandalism to this article I think it is wise to semi-protect this article.[[User:71.128.114.22|71.128.114.22]] 19:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
:Eh, I disagree - we've only had two cases of vandalism in the last week, and both were by the same user, on the same day. We've also had good, constructive edits by anonymous users in that time period. I'm loathe to semi-protect an article on such a basis, and cut out all their helpful contributions. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 21:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
::Umm I think that Swastika vandalism has gone over the edge right there, I propose immediate semiprotection. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:69.238.72.145|69.238.72.145]] ([[User talk:69.238.72.145|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.238.72.145|contribs]]){{#if:2007-06-19|&#32;2007-06-19}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:::It seems that vandalism to this article is getting pretty frequent. Therefore, I agree that this page should be semi-protected to ward off the vandals. However, I would like to reach a majority consensus among the users discussing here before I resort to [[WP:RPP|formally requesting that this page be protected]]. --[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] 06:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::'''Follow-up''': As I monitor the history of this page I want to cover my eyes, simply because I notice that vandalism is increasing as the days go by. Look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=4Kids_Entertainment&oldid=145349478 the most recent (but reverted) edit to this page] and you'll see. --[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] 05:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::I think the goat.se image has crossed the line. As a devil's advocate, I propose immediate semi-protection. [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 03:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, I knew it! This page ''was'' gonna be semi-protected one day or another! The vandalism surely did progress from "isolated" to "perpetual". Geez, why can't those [[otaku|otakus]] just get a life and do something that won't make them vandalize Wikipedia? Seems that people like [[Stephen Colbert]] and [[Weird Al]] sure have contributed to the increase of vandalism to Wikipedia lately, huh? --[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] 06:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
:Ok who here thinks this article should be semi-protected indefinitely? Because those anime zealots are not going to get discouraged by a temporary protection, even if it lasts for months.[[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 01:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::I'll add another semiprotection. :) [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 01:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::It is already semi-protect just be longer, like forever. Because those anime fundamentalists just won't give up their useless annoying crusade for cartoon riceballs!!! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] ([[User talk:Worlder|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Worlder|contribs]]) 02:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I just proposed indefinite semi-protection for this article. So those that wish to vandalize 4kids Entertainment's article,get a name, ya extremists.[[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 21:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I told you that the first moments we life protection those racist asshole Otakus would come flooding back in to butch the company. [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 22:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Look. Stop it with the [[WP:CIV|uncivility]] and [[WP:APR|personal remarks]], will you? Yes, there is vandalism. If the vandalism increases, we just ask for semi-protection again. This is nowhere near being one of the most vandalised pages, and not all animé fans are "racist asshole Otakus" or "anime fundamentalists" on an "annoying crusade for cartoon riceballs". If you have an axe to grind, Wikipedia is not the place to do it. --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 00:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
::Kudos to you, Dreaded Walrus. Keep a sense of civility, everyone. Don't descend to their level. [[User:Goldy496|Goldy496]] ([[User talk:Goldy496|talk]]) 17:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 
==4Kids TV and the YA market==
Hi. I recently had an edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=4Kids_Entertainment&diff=145258919&oldid=145257454 reverted]. The edit in question was regarding the demographics of 4Kids TV, which does not aim toward the YA market obviously. I do not wish to trigger an "edit war", but I'd rather make a good negotiation over an apparently "misleading" sentence. For now I've reverted the sentence AGAIN, because "4Kids TV is aimed toward...young ''adults''" simply does not make sense. --[[User:198.189.198.2|198.189.198.2]] 19:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Hm, posted only a minute before I told you to take it to the talk page. No matter. I reverted your edit for the last time, and please leave it that way until the discussion here is complete. You've provided no solid points as to why you should remove that phrase, and all you're running on is your own opinion, which is not a reliable source. Also, the sentence is not misleading, as 4Kids programming is geared towards the 8-13-year-old market, if I'm not mistaken. I think there are some who call children in their early to mid teens "young adults" these days. But, as for this, please leave the article at the original version until a concensus is reached, mm'kay? [[User: Lychosis|<b><font color="blue">Lychosis</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Warrush|<font color="#000000"><sup><small>'''T'''</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lychosis|<font color="black"><small>'''C'''</small></font>]] 19:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I disagree with you. If you look up [[young adult]] on Wikipedia, it will say that it is between the ages of 18-25, while on google the definition is 16-25. [[User:Jezebel Parks|Jezebel Parks]] 20:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, considering they specifically in their market prospectus say that they're targeting more of their material towards the young adult market - typically, this means in the ill-defined area that includes teenagers and tweens - I think we should take them at their word. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 22:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 
:::I agree with Jezebel Parks about the definition of "young adult" and do agree on the "correct" definition of [[young adult]]. Therefore, I would like to remove the "young adult" part if I could, but I am not budging to edit until I see some agreements when I check back here later. I have good reason to question the inclusion of "young adult" in the sentence regarding 4Kids TV. Go to the actual [[4Kids TV]] article, and it does not mention young adults anywhere. So why should this page regarding its parent company claim so? Besides, look carefully at the company's name: 4'''KIDS'''. Not 4''teens'' as if it would be if aimed toward the YA market. Besides, I can tell you that the average 16-25 year old who has even ''heard'' of 4Kids Entertainment before might have contempt for it based on the "criticism and controversy" section of the 4Kids Entertainment Wikipedia article. Therefore, I would like to have the "young adult" part removed, as it clearly does not make sense, but for now I will not rush to edit it out because chances are it was included there for a ''reason''. So far reading this talk page I am not thoroughly convinced that "young adult" should stay. I am giving it once last shot before I remove it. --[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] 05:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 
::::I just edited out "young adult" - but I hit Enter just before i was about to finish my edit reason, it was because the article for [[4Kids TV]] does not say young adult. --[[User:198.189.198.2|198.189.198.2]] 17:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Certainly agree, as I searched "young adults" on 4Kidsentertainment.com via google [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site%3Awww.4kidsentertainment.com+%22young+adults%22&btnG=Search] and there was no mention of 4Kids actually intending to aim 4Kids TV toward the YA market, though "Young adults" is ocassionaly mentioned on their site in other contexts. --[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] 17:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:Majority of shows done by 4Kids are definitely aimed at the younger crowd. I don't have the time to look up the information, but I don't believe anything worse than Y7 is in their showcase. [[User:Goldy496|Goldy496]] ([[User talk:Goldy496|talk]]) 17:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 
== References ==
 
I found these while working on [[Tokyo Mew Mew]] about 4kids' changes. I believe these can be used in this article instead, as I dont see a mention of them:
 
4kids orginally intending to release ''all'' their shows uncut: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2005-04-24/alfred-r-kahn
 
then they changed their minds: http://www.mewmewalliance.net/content/view/78/2/
 
[[User:angelofdeath275|<span style="color:red;background:black;border-style: double">THROUGH FIRE</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/angelofdeath275|<span style="color:white;background:black;border-style: double">JUSTICE IS SERVED!</span>]] 21:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if that second source meets our [[WP:RS|reliable sourcing]] guidelines. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 01:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 
== Removing controversity section ==
 
I propose that this article be removed of the controversity section. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] ([[User talk:Worlder|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Worlder|contribs]]) 13:43, 22 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
I second that motion. --[[User:Coconutfred73|Coconutfred73]] 19:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 
Anyone else that controversity section is a deformity upon this company and it wiki article. I say that it be removed so it so no one will ever be reminded of this again.[[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 23:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 
If it is a deformity, then it means that controversy sections are abnormal, no? The controversy here is actually mainly fan criticism. I do not know whether other companies have much fan criticism, but if other companies do not also have much fan criticism as much as this one, then this abnormal controversy should be noted, and thus not removed in my opinion.--[[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 21:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 
Fine but I feel that this controversy section acts an auxiliary magnet for vandalism and constant fuel for hatred towards the company. I feel that that the wikipedians defending the integrity of the article (and the company as we've became devil's advocates through this article) would have a alot less work if we removed the this section and put the article on indefinite semi-protection. [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 01:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 
Well, if many people hate this company, then of course that is the controversy, isn't it? It should just be monitored to see that it is about what is popularly hated about this company rather than to have the intent of propaganda.--[[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 04:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, some have vandalized this particular section, but certainly not the majority of vandalizations are localized within this particular section. Even if it were, removing pertinent information would certainly not be constructive towards documenting pertinent facts.--[[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 04:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 
:(in response to Worlder) The Paris Hilton article was vandalised a lot around the time when she was in jail, and yet we kept mention of it in the article. Whenever someone famous dies, the article is vandalised a lot, and yet we still mention the death in the article. When an article is on the front page, it is usually vandalised a lot, yet we do not delete the entire article ;). If this article is vandalised, we revert the vandalism, and place the appropriate [[WP:WARN|warning template]] on the talk page of the particular vandal. If this article is vandalised a lot by a particular vandal, we go to [[WP:AIV|Administrator intervention against vandalism]], and they get blocked. If this article is vandalised a lot, every day, by lots of different users, we take it to [[WP:RfPP|requests for page protection]], and get it semi-protected. The company is one of the most criticised of all localisation companies, due to the methods it uses, and the section is well-sourced (five different references for the section, though more would always be good), and relatively well-written. The section should not be removed simply because of the vandalism it causes. --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 07:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:: Fine that section stays but I hope to see indefinite semi-protection in the near future, because don't you think it is a burden to put up with all those annoying attacks by these extremists against the company for reasons that it committed misdeeds ''in the past''. Besides those otakus got what they wanted, their "crusade" is over, all that is left now is fear and prejudice with the company. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] ([[User talk:Worlder|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Worlder|contribs]]) 22:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Well, that is their problem, so we just have to be vigilant for vandalism.[[User:The Scarlet Letter|A]] 00:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)--
:::Indefinite semi-protection is very, ''very'' rare, and for good reason. Please remember to try to [[WP:CIVIL|stay civil]] with regards to other editors, even vandals. --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 23:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 
I just took this out:
Let the following facts be submitted to the candid world of [[One Piece]] fans.
 
They have sidestepped around death by throwing scenes around clumsily and paying little or no attention to continuity.
They have changed religious symbols that would have no meaning to the audience at large and wasted mney on paint edits.
They have Made crappy writing and attempts to make stupid puns.
They have given Don Krieg Poison suction cups that make no sense in their delivery.
They have given Monkey D. Luffy an annoying voice, as was done to Sanji and Usopp.
Thay have given Luffty Dumbass jokes.
They have replaced the BGM and Opening with a stupid rap.
They have onitted nearly 40 episodes in order to get to the chase of something.
They have committed Racist edits.
They hae put music in that has no point to the storyline.
They have replaced Onigiri with cookies and ruined the oint of the salt/sugar edit.
They have made Naval marines carry toy guns.
They have blacked out writing on covers no one will read.
They have removed shout and confusion marks from the charachters.
They have replaced technique names and confused them to hardcore fans.
I could go on and on about this.
 
I see POV and language issues. At least He's specific. [[Special:Contributions/Tommy 11111|Tommy 11111]] ([[User talk:Tommy 11111|talk]]) 01:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 
Worlder,just because we want anime,and not knock offs,doesn't give you the right to call us otakus.That is a personal assault. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.194.7.41|74.194.7.41]] ([[User talk:74.194.7.41|talk]]) 23:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
I agree wholeheartedly with Tommy; it wasn't just One Piece they ruined in this way. Put in the controversy section, if only as a means to show the world how much 4Kids are destroying anime. [[User:Hikari Tajiri|Hikari Tajiri]] ([[User talk:Hikari Tajiri|talk]]) 18:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 
"These donuts are great! Jelly-filled are my favorite! Nothing beats a jelly-filled donut!" [[User:KF87827|KF87827]] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
Not to mention the extremely stupid "invisible guns" on Yu-Gi-Oh. It's like "Oh no! The Guard is pointing at me! Whatever shall I do?". I understand the idea of not having guns in an anime, so as to not influence children, but it's just absurd the way they did it. A guy having his fingers in a "gun" shap isn't at all intimidating. In fact, it gives the situation an absurd quality. Just because most cartoons are for children, doesn't mean we have to throw logic out the window. Makes me glad that there is a possiblity that 4Kids will close. The company did to games what LGN did to games during the begining of the industry.
[[User:Yankovic270|Yankovic270]] ([[User talk:Yankovic270|talk]]) 01:39, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 
== CW acquisition ==
 
I think we need to expect a rush of vandalism because of this. [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 23:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 
:Just keep watch, and if a wide level of vandalism occurs from multiple users, then be ready to take it to [[WP:AIV]]. I would keep watch myself, but I'm going to sleep in a short while. I'll keep watch when I do get back, though. :) --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 23:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 
:Aaand, it's been protected for two weeks, so you're safe. :) --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 07:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
::However when the vandalism lifts, this article is going to be under even more attacks by those AnimeTojos! The good thing though is that if they vandalize enough within one timeframe we can call for indefinite semi-protection. [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 23:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
::We're open for an attack quickly get an indefinte semiprotection. This page is low management it, doesn't require unregistered to contribute (in fact most of the unregisters are vandals to this page).[[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 21:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
::I told you! The moment we lift semi-protection, those Otakus start flooding back in![[User:Worlder|Worlder]] 14:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 
:::See my response at the bottom of [[#Propose protection for article]]. --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 00:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 
Worlder,stop making personal attacks. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.194.7.41|74.194.7.41]] ([[User talk:74.194.7.41|talk]]) 23:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Blackface picture ==
 
Does that really need to be here? It doesn't really have anything to do with 4Kids' itself and all it does is make people think they're racist even thought it was to prevent racism. It doesn't even say in the article that it was to prevent racism. If anything I think it should go in the editing of anime article.[[User:Bryanoftoons|Bryanoftoons]] ([[User talk:Bryanoftoons|talk]]) 23:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:But, it was an edit done by 4-Kids to remove potentially offensive material from the program when it was rebroadcast in the United States. I don't think it implies that they are racist, and given the fact that there is controversy over their editing of television programs for content, I think it illustrates the type of edits done very clearly. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 00:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
But that's the only time they've ever made an edit like that. It's a a poor example. Not only that, but there's no mention in the article about the edit at all.[[User:Bryanoftoons|Bryanoftoons]] ([[User talk:Bryanoftoons|talk]]) 15:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yes there is. The article explains that they remove material which American audiences would find offensive — I think that's an excellent example of that, since most Americans find [[blackface]] very offensive. Why does it matter if that's the only time they've removed blackface — the example clearly illustrates (1) the problem 4Kids faces and (2) how they deal with it. I don't know how it implies 4Kids is racist, even remotely. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 23:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
All I know is that there are dozens of people I've seen who think 4Kids is racist just by looking at that picture. Could you put something that implies it was to prevent racism in the caption under it?[[User:Bryanoftoons|Bryanoftoons]] ([[User talk:Bryanoftoons|talk]]) 03:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
:No, because that would be [[WP:POV]] and [[WP:OR|original research]]. Leaving the image to speak for itself is the best thing. Currently the image's caption doesn't imply anything, and it is left to the reader to decide. [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 12:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
:I just added a little note, explaining that blackface is judged racist in the United States. The reader can draw their own conclusions about why 4Kids removed it. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 22:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yep! Perfect wording. It's my inability to word things as well as that which prevents me from editing articles. ;) [[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] <sup> [[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]</sup> 01:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 
They should have left it unedited. I've been over this discussion many times before. Its much more racist to change the color of the skin than leaving it to "prevent" racism. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 00:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well, lots of people would disagree with you on that one, which is probably why they changed it. However, we've decided to simply say "they changed it" without going into specifics of why. If anyone can't see why [[blackface]] is offensive to an American audience, this isn't the place to do so. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 08:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 
Actually it was better how it was worded. People could have came to either conclusion by how it is. How you worded it now makes everybody think that 4Kids edited it to prevent racism. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 02:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 
:No, people can draw their own conclusions about why it was made. It makes perfect sense to state the social connotations of blackface in an article which discusses editing for social reasons. Like the fact that it's racist, and offends people. Since we don't have a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for that, we can't just say it — but we can explain what happened, and what the social connotations of what was removed entailed. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 03:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 
It should say "blackface can be viewed as racially offensive in the United States" or "this picture can be considered racially offensive in the United States" Instead you list it as "This picture IS racist." [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 05:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:No. It says "blackface is viewed as racially offensive in the United States". You may not like it but [[blackface]] ''is'' viewed as racially offensive. Our own article on the fact should convince you of this. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 06:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::Actually its the picture itself. Not the actual blackface. Not everybody considers it racist but your wording makes the picture sound like it is. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 07:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking to change here. I appear to have misunderstood your objection to the caption. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 07:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 
The actual picture. Not everybody will consider it a blackface or that its racist at all. It needs to be reworded so that somebody can come to their own conclusion. If somebody reads that captain the way it is right now they will think that it was purposely made as a blackface and that it was originally made to be racist without coming to their own conclusion. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 07:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:(1) It's clearly blackface. (2) We don't say the image is racist. It ''was'' purposely made as blackface in the Japanese version of the show because they have a long tradition of using blackface in a cultural context which is different than America. We aren't telling anyone that it's racist — where just telling people that it can be considered racist in the United States. All of these statements are completely accurate. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 05:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 
Give evidence that it is. Can you also provide evidence that they have a tradition of using blackface? [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 08:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[Mr. Popo]] from [[Dragonball Z]] [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] ([[User talk:Worlder|talk]]) 20:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Read our own article on the subject. There's two paragraphs about it. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 00:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 
Mr. Popo was actually completely black. As in the color black. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 20:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:People in blackface also painted their skin black. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 00:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 
Which is a completely moot point considering the edited character is an actual black character. Mr Popo is nothing like him. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 06:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not even sure what you're arguing — that blackface isn't racist? That the image isn't of blackface? That Japan doesn't use blackface? Who knows, but they're all wrong. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 07:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 
Second one. You don't have proof that it is. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 09:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:Blackface is an easily identifiable style. Anyone can recognize it. Use [[WP:COMMON|common sense]] or read any of the [http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/1721.1/35076/1/71249564.pdf massive literature] on the subject. You're being disruptive simply to make a [[WP:POINT|point]] and it's wasting everyone's time. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 05:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 
::Actually its already been stated that in order for it to be Blackface it must be the actual color black. Obviously it isn't which means you are the one who is making it up. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 20:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::That's simply not true. It's meant to imitate the skin color of [[black people]] which can range from brown to coal black. In fact, [[Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarves]] is a famous example of this kind of racist imagery in film. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 20:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Read this quote from Bob Clampett: "In 1942, during the height of anti-Japanese sentiment during World War II, I was approached in Hollywood by the cast of an all-black musical off-broadway production called Jump For Joy while they were doing some special performances in Los Angeles. They asked me why there weren't any Warner's cartoons with black characters and I didn't have any good answer for that question. So we sat down together and came up with a parody of Disney's "Snow White" and "Coal Black" was the result. They did all the voices for that cartoon, even though Mel Blanc's contract with Warners gave him sole voice credit for all Warners cartoons by then. There was nothing racist or disrespectful toward blacks intended in that film at all, nor in Tin Pan Alley Cats which is just a parody of jazz piano great Fats Waller, who was always hamming into the camera during his musical films. Everybody, including blacks had a good time when these cartoons first came out. All the controversy about these two cartoons has developed in later years merely because of changing attitudes toward black civil rights that have happened since then."
 
::::Where's the racism? I think you're taking something blown out of proportion here. [[Special:Contributions/128.187.97.18|128.187.97.18]] ([[User talk:128.187.97.18|talk]]) 18:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
So you're saying its actually racist of them to use a black person in an anime? [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 21:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Black people don't actually look like [[blackface]], as you've probably noticed. There have been many black characters in anime who look like ''actual black people'' and not racist cultural stereotypes. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 22:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 
That is your own opinion that it is. I've asked multiple people including black people and they have all said the edit is more racist than the original. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 23:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 
:No, that's not my opinion — that's practically the definition of [[blackface]]. It's a ''racial sterotype'' which is used to demean and make fun of black people. I'm not going to get into an argument about whether or not it's racist to remove it, but suffice to say that your argument that removing blackface from films is equivalent to removing black people is totally vacuous. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 23:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 
Actually I wasn't even arguing that before. I don't even know how we got on this subject.I was arguing the fact that the sentence itself should be reworded. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 03:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 
:How? --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 06:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 
I already said in this discussion earlier. [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 17:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:No, you made a general statement that we discussed for a while with little profit. Do you have a precise revision suggestion? --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 22:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think Gune may have the notion that blackface is a form of representation (as in tokenism) for black people. An offensive form of representation, but representation nonetheless. So by removing blackface, one has removed an instance where blacks were shown in anime; thus, the removal of a black character, even if it is a blackface character, is racist because it denies a representation of blacks in this particular form of animation, or at least, in this show. [[User:Worlder|Worlder]] ([[User talk:Worlder|talk]]) 05:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 
Blackface is only racist in America.That is not blackface.He has brown,not black,skin.He doesn't have googly eyes.His lips aren't pink.Blackface is used in Japan as a form of respect. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.194.7.41|74.194.7.41]] ([[User talk:74.194.7.41|talk]]) 23:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Moral conservatives ==
 
I just read that part in the controversy section regarding the Parents TV group criticizing "4Kids' dubs." They're not doing that, actually. It seems like the entire articles were criticizing the shows themselves, not whether or not dubbing is involved. They've drawn comparisons to other shows, and they've never mentioned 4Kids. Whoever inserted this part into the article must have misinterpreted it. [[Special:Contributions/71.146.76.206|71.146.76.206]] ([[User talk:71.146.76.206|talk]]) 02:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, I should clairfy that. It's confusing, currently. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] ([[User talk:Haemo|talk]]) 03:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::I edited it to let the fact that PTC's study criticized the [heavily dubbed] ''Shaman King'' to speak for itself. --[[User:Andrewlp1991|Andrewlp1991]] ([[User talk:Andrewlp1991|talk]]) 18:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 
== 4Kids on Fox to End Broadcast in 2009 ==
 
TGS = 4Kids: The Game Station (Fox)/CW = The CW 4Kids (The CW)
 
Well even though i've seen the edits that 4Kids have done to One Piece and the rants that followed on Youtube and other video-sharing sites, I might say that it's about time that TGS pulled the plug on its broadcast on Fox, even though 4Kids isn't gone completely since their other broadcast station CW is the only remaining one left. I haven't seen TGS's final broadcast last Saturday (12-29-2008), but at least some anime fans are celebrating its demise.
 
One of the 4Kids columns is knocked down, but one still remains.
 
I mean, after all, if TGS didn't acquire the rights to One Piece in the first place they would've never did their controversial and ridiculous editing practices that gave the company a very bad name, and TGS would still be broadcasting in 2009. I guess that this could be chalked up to karma, or something similar I guess.
 
But as I said, the demise of TGS isn't the complete demise of 4Kids overall. 4Kids is still alive with their other broadcast station, The CW. --[[Special:Contributions/72.155.175.144|72.155.175.144]] ([[User talk:72.155.175.144|talk]]) 07:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 
Where's your actual source for this poppycock? --[[User:Coconutfred73|Coconutfred73]] ([[User talk:Coconutfred73|talk]]) 00:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 
http://cartoonelectro.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/starting-jan-3-2009-more-infomercials-and-local-news-on-fox/
 
http://www.animenews.biz/fox-to-replace-saturday-morning-cartoons-with-infomercials-328/
 
http://toonbarn.com/2008/11/say-it-aint-so-fox-kids/
 
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/tv/fox-dumps-cartoons-for-infomercials.html
 
http://www.tv.com/animation/4kids-leaving-fox/topic/106-1183385/msgs.html
 
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-11-10/4kids-to-terminate-fox-programming-block-in-december
 
"It was announced in November 2008 that the 4Kids TV block would conclude at the end of the year due to a payment/distribution dispute between 4Kids and Fox. The block ended on December 27, 2008.[3] Fox announced that the time would no longer be used for kids programming, owing that it was no longer viable due to the burden of E/I programming and the insurmountable competition from Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Discovery Kids since the time was used for kids programming since 1990.[4] On Jaunary 3, 2009, the network will give two hours back to affiliates (likely to encourage them to begin Saturday morning newscasts or make fulfilling their E/I requirements easier), while the other two hours will become an informercial block titled Weekend Marketplace.[5] The 4KidsTV logo now only exists as the closing logo for 4Kids Entertainment for 4Kids shows run outside of The CW4Kids block outside of the United States.
 
4Kids launched an online video player on their website on September 8, 2007, and has been adding full episodes and more videos and content since then. However, it was revamped on September 25, 2008, though in beta testing. Promotions state that 4Kids TV will be "moving online" starting in January 2009, implying that the video player will take full effect then, possibly no longer being in beta testing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4Kids_TV (Actual paragraphs from the wiki)
 
http://www.variety.com/VR1117996360.html
 
http://nerddads.com/4kids-killed-the-saturday-morning-cartoon-star/
 
http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?p=2008146
 
http://www.fosters-home.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3534
 
http://emeraldage.net/WordPress/2008/11/24/fox-is-out-of-the-saturday-morning-cartoon-business/
 
Need anymore proof or sources of this? --[[Special:Contributions/65.4.181.182|65.4.181.182]] ([[User talk:65.4.181.182|talk]]) 10:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== 4Kids is up for sale ==
 
Bad news. 4Kids is up for sale.--[[Special:Contributions/72.148.3.214|72.148.3.214]] ([[User talk:72.148.3.214|talk]]) 00:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Actually, according to the [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-08-05/4kids-retains-financial-advisor-to-consider-strategies Anime News Network article], they said that they had retained the financial advisor Montgomery & Co. to help evaluate its strategic alternatives including, but not limited to, asset sales, alliances with strategic partners, and/or a sale of the Company through a merger or other corporate transaction. So 4Kids is not going anywhere until the process ends or until it decides otherwise. --[[User:Girla PurpleHeart|Girla PurpleHeart]] ([[User talk:Girla PurpleHeart|talk]]) 22:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::Is there a source for either of those (aside from animenetwork which really isn't official)? It should be put in the article if it is. And is there an update?--[[Special:Contributions/70.103.90.123|70.103.90.123]] ([[User talk:70.103.90.123|talk]]) 09:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 
==4Kids fullly delisted==
 
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/adv.php?ref=/news/stock-alert/kde_4kids-entertainment-announces-move-of-its-common-stock-from-nyse-to-otcbb-956095.html
 
Now 4Kids is on the OTCBB. Here's hoping for a longer downfall. :D [[Special:Contributions/66.140.85.15|66.140.85.15]] ([[User talk:66.140.85.15|talk]]) 11:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 
==Vandalism In Article==
I think we should be watching this article closely for vandalism. Just right now the 4Kids Entertainment Article was vandalized and that made me having to edit the article. I don't want this article to be locked but we should be watching this article closely. I think this article should be protected now because of too much vandalism.
 
--Bernard Suen 03:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 
I second that. The last sentence in the first paragraph suggests that 4Kids will be hosting "Homestuck the Anime," which I don't believe has any citations. This seems like a rumor.
[[Special:Contributions/71.91.59.27|71.91.59.27]] ([[User talk:71.91.59.27|talk]]) 03:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 
==XML==
http://www.4kidsentertainment.com/faqs.xml
I found this
[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 22:40, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 
Also
http://www.4kidsentertainment.com/main.swf
[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 08:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 
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--[[User:JeffGBot|JeffGBot]] ([[User talk:JeffGBot|talk]]) 14:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 
== Lawsuit and Bankruptcy ==
 
The trail for the lawsuit took place in August, at least the first phase anyway, so why has there been no updates on it, did they win, settle out of court lose? if anyone has fount anything, I can't find anything no matter where I look, please update the Lawsuit and Bankruptcy section. [[User:DreamsDreams|DreamsDreams]] ([[User talk:DreamsDreams|talk]]) 21:48, 14 October 2011 (UTC)DreamsDreams
 
== So ==
 
Since Saban has accquired 4Kids and sold Yu-Gi-oh to Konami is Saban planning to shut down 4Kids and fully merge it? [[User:Matthew Cantrell|Matthew Cantrell]] ([[User talk:Matthew Cantrell|talk]]) 00:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 
::My, Yugioh does have the worst luck of ending up with unpopular companies. You should hear the s**tstorm of hate Konami is getting from gamers this year. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.171.20.13|67.171.20.13]] ([[User talk:67.171.20.13|talk]]) 12:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
When did they say they bougth 4kids? You two are plain and simple.([[User talk:Timur9008|talk]]) 5:57, December 29,2012 (UTC)
 
== Rewrite ==
Someone should rewrite the Entire section.And create a history section,and add new information about 4kids Entertaiment back,when they were known as Leisure Concepts, Inc.And the 4kids Entertaiment description should be changed now,since there is already is a page for 4kids Productions,the subsidiary that was dubbing anime to begin with. [[User:Timur9008|Timur9008]] ([[User talk:Timur9008|talk]]) 1209:1718, October 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 
== Edit request on 22 November 2012 ==
 
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I would like to make a request change on the 4kids page under the section Editing and Localization of Anime. This quote should be included because the part of the Parent Television Council writing about Shaman King being too violent should also include the quote itself.
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[[User:Livcorner|Livcorner]] ([[User talk:Livcorner|talk]]) 17:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
"On Fox's Shaman King, a fight between two characters ends when one kicks the other in the head and knocks him unconscious. The victor picks up the loser by his hair, and reaches into his chest while the loser screams. The victor then takes out the loser's soul and puts it into his own body, silencing the other. What is this teaching the 6 year-olds in the audience?"
 
Reference
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/062006/opl_3080719.shtml
 
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==Name Change from 4Kids Entertainment, Inc. to 4Licensing Corporation==
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Pursuant to the Amended Joint Plan of Reorganization of 4Kids Entertainment, Inc. (“4Kids”) and its domestic wholly owned subsidiaries (collectively, the “Debtors”), which became effective on December 21, 2012, on December 21, 2012, 4Kids changed its state of incorporation from the State of New York to the State of Delaware (the “Reincorporation”) by the merger of 4Kids with and into 4Licensing Corporation (“4Licensing”), a newly formed Delaware corporation and a wholly owned subsidiary of 4Kids, with 4Licensing as the surviving corporation. As referred to herein, the “Company” means 4Kids prior to the Reincorporation and 4Licensing upon and following the Reincorporation. The Reincorporation was accomplished by filing (i) the Certificate of Incorporation of 4Licensing with the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware (the “Certificate of Incorporation”) on December 19, 2012, (ii) the Certificate of Ownership and Merger with the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware (the “DE Certificate of Merger”) on December 21, 2012 and (iii) the Certificate of Merger with the Department of State of the State of New York (the “NY Certificate of Merger”) on December 21, 2012. Upon the effective time of the Reincorporation, the Company’s name became “4Licensing Corporation” and the Certificate of Incorporation and By-Laws of 4Licensing as in effect immediately prior to the effective time of the Reincorporation became the certificate of incorporation and bylaws of the Company. The trading symbol for the Company’s common stock will change as a result of the name change.
 
more at the link. [[User:Timur9008|Timur9008]] ([[User talk:Timur9008|talk]]) 616:0200, 29 December 29,2012 (UTC)
 
== Template Inaccuracy/Template Request ==
 
I just updated the trading information to that of 4Licensing Corp. However, I had to use a template that, while more accurate than the OTCQB template, is inaccurate because the company is on the Grey Market as of now. Thus, I propose a template, such as OTCGrey for Grey Market securities. [[User:Michealin|Michealin]] ([[User talk:Michealin|talk]]) 16:45, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
:Template for the Grey Market already exist, it's {{t|Grey Market}}. [[User:Powergate92|<font style="color:#fff;background:green;">Powergate92</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Powergate92|<font style="color:#fff;background:green;">Talk</font>]]</small> 18:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
::Amazingly, that's the one thing I didn't think to try because of the space. I, however, tried GreyMarket and OTCGrey, among others. [[User:Michealin|Michealin]] ([[User talk:Michealin|talk]]) 18:19, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 
Why has Bella Hudson's page been ''prevented'' from being created again? --[[User:Smartie2thaMaxXx|Smartie2thaMaxXx]] ([[User talk:Smartie2thaMaxXx|talk]]) 21:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 
== Tammy Newborn ==
 
I'll be watch out for her, the 4Kids fanfag. His/her name's goes by Tammy New born. [[User:Pichu0320|Pichu0320]] ([[User talk:Pichu0320|talk]]) 01:58, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 
== Suspected Liquidation ==
 
While its site is still active, I was unable to get confirmation of 4LC's continuation after its 2016 bankruptcy due to a failed email to its information department. Thus, I strongly suspect its liquidation. However, I'd like someone else to research the subject for thoroughness. [[User:Omegatiger121|Omegatiger121]] ([[User talk:Omegatiger121|talk]]) 17:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 
[https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/FOURQ:US 4Licensing was recently delisted], which could mean it's bankrupt.[[Special:Contributions/87.16.72.135|87.16.72.135]] ([[User talk:87.16.72.135|talk]]) 09:13, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 
== still active ==
hi, when this article saying "was". Are u sure guys that 4licensing is ended with their company? Because there site is still avaible and i see 2017 copyright!--[[User:Maxie1hoi|Maxie1hoi]] ([[User talk:Maxie1hoi|talk]]) 19:02, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 
== Can we make a separate article on the infamous 4Kids national anthem ==
 
I heard that when they did the national anthem on 4Kids, it cause a massive outrage [[User:MechMaster Katzenstein|MechMaster Katzenstein]] ([[User talk:MechMaster Katzenstein|talk]]) 21:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 
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[[:4Licensing Corporation]] → {{no redirect|4Kids Entertainment}} – Most current RS’s use the 4Kids name, compared to 4Licensing. Also, the company is now dead, so there is no need to keep the old name anymore. [[User:ColorTheoryRGB|<span style="color: red">ColorTheoryRGB</span>]] [[User talk:ColorTheoryRGB|<span style="color: yellow">C</span><span style="color: cyan">M</span><span style="color: blue">Y</span><span style="color: magenta">K</span>]] 04:36, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
*Why is the name back to 4kids entertainment to begin with [[User:Kirbopher2004|Kirbopher2004]] ([[User talk:Kirbopher2004|talk]]) 07:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - "'''4Kids'''" is obviously the [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:HumanBodyPiloter5|HumanBodyPiloter5]] ([[User talk:HumanBodyPiloter5|talk]]) 08:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support Move''' - per above. [[User:Timur9008|Timur9008]] ([[User_talk:Timur9008|talk]]) 14:42, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support move.''' The company is far better known as 4Kids Entertainment. '''[[User:Old Naval Rooftops|<span style="color:#002244">O.N.R.</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Old Naval Rooftops|<span style="color:#002244">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 16:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support Move''' As per nom and all above. [[User:Namkongville|Namkongville]] ([[User talk:Namkongville|talk]]) 18:04, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:Link20XX|Link20XX]] ([[User talk:Link20XX|talk]]) 18:06, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 4Kids Entertainment is the clear winner here.--[[Special:Contributions/67.70.101.238|67.70.101.238]] ([[User talk:67.70.101.238|talk]]) 03:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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