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== different stories ==

 

==Birth place and death place==

Asking to be able to include the United Kingdom as part of the person's birth place and death place in the infobox, for the following reasons. Firstly, the person is specifically defined as British in both the infobox and the main text. The corresponding sovereign state to British nationality is the UK. Secondly, under [[Template:Infobox person]], for birth place and death place it is stated we include under each "city, administrative region, sovereign state." The sovereign state in this instance is the United Kingdom (not England or Wales). Thirdly the prominence of this article is largely due to the person being known for being the last woman executed in the UK. Therefore contextually the article has far more relevance to the UK as a whole than England or Wales (the law being applied was UK law also, not relevant to specifically England or Wales). Adding the UK only helps greater inform global [[Wikipedia:Reader|readers]] of the article with little or no knowledge of the subject. See [[WP:DRDR]] and [[WP:RF]]. Providing more correct factual information that also adds as clarification only aids the informativeness of the page, it does not take it away. This should take president over grips around looks or how an article lines up with others. [[User:Helper201|Helper201]] ([[User talk:Helper201|talk]]) 03:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

 

:::Another reason to omit UK is that this article is written in common usage UK English. That usage rarely uses ESWNi plus UK. And...this is an encyclopedia, so a level of intelligence of the reader should, and can, be assumed when inserting written detail. We dumb-down at our peril. And...there are plenty of people reading this discussion who are further from the UK than Canada, and who do not have trouble in grasping that Wales is a country within the UK. [[User:Roger 8 Roger|Roger 8 Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger 8 Roger|talk]]) 21:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

::::That would be alright, if English-language Wikipedia were for ''only'' British readers. But it's for <u>all</u> english readers, which include non-British folks. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)