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== Discussion at [[:Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)/Archive 7#Unnecessary line on fundraiser banner|Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF) § Unnecessary line on fundraiser banner]] ==
[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|25px|link=|alt=]] You are invited to join the discussion at [[:Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)/Archive 7#Unnecessary line on fundraiser banner|Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF) § Unnecessary line on fundraiser banner]]. ''It is about a controversial line in current fundraiser (putting invitation here as it is kind of a proposal to remove it).'' –[[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:Orange;color:White;padding:2px;">Exclusive</span><span style="background:black; color:White; padding:2px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub>Notify Me!</sub>]] 14:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:<del>A profound emotion of acceptance It’s privilege to be invited on this matter but my familiarity with the topic is pretty much kindergarten level, but I would try my best if I can to be of service for the cause of of this organization spreading facts and knowledge of false/correct informations and understanding of both information’s existence. </del> <ins> Thank you for the invite</ins>[[User:The Summum Bonum|The Summum Bonum]] ([[User talk:The Summum Bonum|talk]]) 12:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::Are you using an LLM to generate your answers, or are you writing in a language other than English and using a translator program? [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 17:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Doesn't look like an LLM. They are either translating, or are a new user trying to be very well language(d), reminding me of myself when I was new. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:Orange;color:White;padding:2px;">Exclusive</span><span style="background:black; color:White; padding:2px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub>Notify Me!</sub>]] 13:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I tried removing unnecessary lines on my comment then learned that it is considered an act of destroying the context of a non private conversation, within minutes I changed it. I would have just said a simple "thank you for the invitation but Im not qualified on the topic I was invited to."([[User:The Summum Bonum|The Summum Bonum]] ([[User talk:The Summum Bonum|talk]]) 13:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:::productive criticism? or Assuming Im not human?am I invited or nil?[[User:The Summum Bonum|The Summum Bonum]] ([[User talk:The Summum Bonum|talk]]) 12:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Is my name Intimidating? that your curiously asking me if I'm using an LLM. "I find your lack of faith disturbing"- Darth Vader. lol. now I sound more like an A.I.. [[User:The Summum Bonum|The Summum Bonum]] ([[User talk:The Summum Bonum|talk]]) 12:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::::{{Re|The Summum Bonum}} Its not about your name but the way you wrote your reply in a stretchy fashionable and to be honest, in an unusual way made it feel like written by an LLM, especially because this descriptions also match others comments which were confirmed to be written by LLM. However I think it is clear now, that is really written by you, a human! [[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:Orange;color:White;padding:2px;">Exclusive</span><span style="background:black; color:White; padding:2px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub>Notify Me!</sub>]] 13:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
== Request ==
Hi Wikipedia users and admins!
I am a new user on Wikipedia. I have made more than 10 edits and I need to edit some pages that are semi-protected or first level protection and also create some new pages on Wikipedia, without having to create them as a draft first. Please can you unlock the feature of semi-protected pages or first level protection pages on my account and also make possible for me to create some pages directly, without having to create them as a draft first.
Thanks [[User:AdamSala1991|AdamSala1991]] ([[User talk:AdamSala1991|talk]]) 08:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|AdamSala1991}} You just have to wait one more day and your account will be [[WP:AUTOCONFIRMED|autoconfirmed]], then you can do all of those things. – [[User:Joe Roe|Joe]] <small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 11:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:Watchlisted. [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:red">——Serial Number 54129</span>]] 13:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
== The Khmer Wikipedia appears with the letters in Bold ==
Hi Wikipedia editors and admins!
I am a new user in Khmer Wikipedia and I have a concern. I have seen that this Wiki appears with its writing system in Bold (dark letters), which previously didn't appeared. This is seen on the language list where the Khmer language appears, when viewing articles on the Khmer Wikipedia and on the search results on Khmer Wikipedia. Can you fix the issue and make the Khmer Wikipedia to appear in normal letters, in all its forms (where the Khmer language appears, when viewing articles on the Khmer Wikipedia and on the search results on Khmer Wikipedia), like the other Wikipedia editions are?
Thanks [[User:Cheni001|Cheni001]] ([[User talk:Cheni001|talk]]) 13:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:The editors here at the English Wikipedia cannot do anything regarding issues on any other wikis, you will need to ask for help on that Wiki (I don't speak or read Khmer so I can't advise what the best location is, but based on Google Translate [[:km:ជំនួយ:មាតិកា]] is probably a good place to start looking). However, my ''guess'' is that it might be a font issue, you should be able to check that by looking at the entry for Khmer at [[Help:Multilingual support (Indic)]]. If that is the issue some of the other information on that page may resolve your issue. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Cheni001|Cheni001]], what kind of phone are you using?
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], is there any chance that the Web team changed any fonts? [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 05:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC) ▼:::Thanks @[[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] for pinging me! We haven't changed any fonts recently. I will ask the teammates if they know what this may be about, though. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 20:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
== Allow everyone to move pages in draftspace ==
I'm proposing that moving a page that's in [[WP:draftspace|draftspace]] to a target also in draftspace be an action that doesn't require being autoconfirmed. This is so if a draft is created in the wrong place by an IP, they can fix it themselves without going to RM, which they probably don't know exists. An example where this would have been useful is [[Moshe Mizrahi (basketball)]] which, according to its history, was created at [[Draft:Moshe Mizrahi ( basketball)]], moved to mainspace by an AfC reviewer at [[Moshe Mizrahi ( basketball)]] and only then moved to the correct title. This left behind a useless mainspace redirect that I had to [[Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_17#Moshe_Mizrahi_(_basketball)|RfD]]. If the IP could have moved the draft to the correct title, there is a good change they would have done so and the useless mainspace redirect would not have been created in the first place. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 14:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:AfC reviewers should and usually do correct the titles of drafts when they move them to mainspace. If and until that happens, what they're called in draftspace doesn't really matter. – [[User:Joe Roe|Joe]] <small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 15:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::In theory, I agree that allowing anybody to move a draft to a different draft title would be fine. The problem is that (as far as I know), the MediaWiki permissions system isn't flexible enough to allow non-autoconfirmed moves only in specific namespaces, and the effort required to add that capability wouldn't be justified by the benefit. [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 15:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, similarly to [[WP:PERF|how editors don't have to worry about performance]], editors shouldn't worry about how easy or difficult something is to implement either. I'll take it to Phabricator and let the devs worry about it. What we need to figure out is just whether there is any reason not to do it. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 16:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Please post the phab number here when you get one. [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 16:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Wait, before I do, are you sure that's right? We can limit who moves a page like we do with Files and Categories. Is there a reason we can't go the other way around with drafts and lift a restriction? [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 16:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::For now I just [[Special:Diff/1235305560|asked VPT to come here]]. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 17:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::My understanding is that moving a page [[mw:User rights#List of permissions|requires the "move" user permission]]. The Files and Categories namespaces are special-cased by the movefile and move-categorypages permissions, but I don't believe there is any general-case ability to apply the move permission to arbitrary namespaces. [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 17:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::This seems like a solution in search of a problem. A non-autoconfirmed editor who notices that a page is misnamed and successfully moves it will be a rare creature indeed. Meanwhile, any regular editor can move a draft page to the correct name in Draft space, and AFC editors should be checking the name. It's right there in step 1 of accepting an AFC: "[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewing_instructions#Step_4:_Accepting_a_submission|Select an appropriate name]]". – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 19:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::You are mostly correct. However, a) AfC reviewers don't always do that as my example demonstrates and b) even if we ignore that, I believe that we should be providing as much freedom to users as possible. Locking actions behind user rights should be done only when necessary, not merely because it's convenient. Restricting moves in mainspace makes sense because move vandalism is disruptive. In draftspace that is way less of a problem and if necessary, move semi-protection exists. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 19:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::To be fair, your example is eight years old, was corrected in less than four hours, and the AfC reviewer that accepted it has been banned for years. Do you have any idea how frequent this problem is? I take your point that technical implementation isn't our job, but some sort of cost–benefit analysis still wouldn't go amiss, and I'm sure the devs will ask for one anyway. – [[User:Joe Roe|Joe]] <small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 21:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm not sure how I could gather frequency data for this situation but, [[Special:Diff/1233690967|here]]'s a recent example of a non-autoconfirmed (at the time) editor asking to move a draft to a new title in [[WP:RM/TR]]. So it's not like the feature would go unused. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 01:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Also, going back to the original [[Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_June_7#Common_Sense(_Scottish_Magazine)|RfD]] that inspired this, we find [[Draft:Marabella North Secondary School ( Marabella Senior Comprehensive)]], [[Draft:Philip Dukes ( Viola Soloist)]] and [[Draft:Argo ( Sword Art Online )]] which were all moved to mainspace to the uncorrected names. That last one might have been a cut and paste since the move log is empty but [[Argo ( Sword Art Online )]] was created all the same. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 01:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::Draft authors usually want to move to mainspace, not another draft name. Giving them a move link and move form which doesn't work for mainspace may confuse and annoy them more than help them. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::That's one way of looking at it. But, on the other hand, that move form would be the perfect place to put instructions for how to move to mainspace since people would look there. Something like: "This form can be used to change the name of the draft. Only [[WP:autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed users]] can move drafts to the [[WP:main namespace|main namespace]]. If that is what you want to do, see [[WP:Articles for creation]]". [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 19:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[phab:T370471]] has now been opened. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 19:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
: I would worry about draft hijacking. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::All I hear is "Encourage move vandals to focus on the Draft: space", and I don't think I like what I hear. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 05:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
:::This seems less like a solution in search of a problem than a problem in search of a problem. Non-autoconfirmed editors don't need the ability to move pages, and the most common use case (moving their user sandbox to {{tt|Draft:Title}}) wouldn't even be covered, since it would cross namespaces. On the other hand, this would open up a broad attack surface for very little benefit. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 09:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I see some comments saying that this will increase vandalism in draftspace but very little evidence to support this view. In my opinion, until someone provides such evidence, restrcting IPs' ability to move in draftspace goes against [[WP:SOP#2]] as it fails to meet the standard of [[strict scrutiny]]. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 12:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::[[WP:SOP#2]] doesn't have anything to do with this proposal. Not giving IP addresses/un-confirmed editors the ability to move pages is a technical anti-spam/anti-vandal measure, since moves are demonstrably much harder to undo than plain edits. [[User:Sohom Datta|<b style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 19:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Such a measure makes sense on mainspace sure, but not on draftspace which is not as popular of a target for vandals and where the damage isn't as front facing. SOP#2 has everything to do with it since it's an arbitrary restriction that targets new/unregistered users. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 20:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::How would you revert a vandal who went on a vandalism spree and moved a few thousand drafts to Draft:<insert_random_expeletive_here> ? (Short answer, you couldn't, you would need to get hold of a page-mover (or if the vandal is more sophisticated, a admin) to undo the damage). [[User:Sohom Datta|<b style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 20:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::The thing you're describing isn't even possible. Moving a page to overwrite a page that already exists is not allowed (except [[WP:MOR]] but that is irrelevant). Can you provide an example of my proposal being harmful that can actually happen? [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 21:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::They don't have to all be the ''same'' random_expletive. (I am somewhat dismayed to discover that [[Willy on Wheels]] is a bluelink.) —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Ok, in that case I'll just revert the moves like normal. Due to [[WP:MOR]] that should be easy. No need for a page mover. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 23:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{U|Nickps}}, thank you for volunteering to clean up all the complicated chained page move vandalism your proposal would open the door to, but kindly read the room. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::When I think the room is wrong, I'm going to say so, thank you very much. Also, I'm not just saying it, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=move&user=Nickps&page=&wpdate=2024-06-26&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist my actions] support it as well. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 11:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::And just to be clear, yes, I'm saying that I'm going to be watching [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?userExpLevel=unregistered%3Bnewcomer&hidebots=1&hidepageedits=1&hidenewpages=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&hidenewuserlog=1&limit=500&days=3&damaging__likelybad_color=c4&damaging__verylikelybad_color=c5&urlversion=2 Recent Changes] if we do this. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 11:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I'll try to spell it out a bit more, it takes the vandal exactly one more edit to each page for it be effectively irreversible without admin/page-mover help. Also, I assume you will not be reading RecentChanges, all the time 24 * 7 * 365 hours.
::::::::::::::Your previous actions proves the opposite, that we already have to deal with a fair bit of page move vandalism, and we don't want to enable features that opens us up to more of the same kind of vandalism. [[User:Sohom Datta|<b style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 12:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Again, no one has shown that this draftspace move vandalism will actually happen let alone that our processes will be overwhelmed by it. Up until that is shown, I can only consider such statements fear mongering. But, as I'm willing to compromise, I suggest we at least do a trial of this and see whether I'm right and constructive moves are the rule or you're right and move vandalism overwhelms our processes.{{pb}}I have to also point out that we do have the tools to deal with move vandalism. Semi-move protection is already a thing and page movers/admins can revert more advanced vandalism. If you're worried about me pushing work to other people, rest assured that if the kind of vandalism you describe actually happens, I'll go directly to [[WP:PERM/PM]]. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 12:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
== "0 days ago" in time duration calculation ==
::So have it say "Less than 24 hours ago" or "Less than 1 day ago" instead of "0 days ago" [[User:Soni|Soni]] ([[User talk:Soni|talk]]) 03:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I've no objections to that, and I suspect that if you posted the code in an edit request on the template's talk page, then it would be accepted. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 05:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I would agree with that. Alternatively if the exact time is posted, the number of hours and/or minutes could also be used in place of “0 days ago.” [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 20:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
== Legalize "subsection" parameter of template "imdb title" ==
:This would be useful functionality. May I suggest that the bot also drop a templated message about its actions at the user talkpage of the (non-bot) admin who most recently protected the page, so that they can undo/adjust the bot's page-protection if needed? [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 02:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:Full support here. One would think this would just be in the MediaWiki code by now... [[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]] <sup>([[User_talk:EggRoll97|talk]]) </sup> 21:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::I agree. There should be some kind of automatic mechanism for reinstating the previous protection (like for example, an article already semi-protected gets bumped up to extended confirmed, and then when the EC protection expires, there should be some automatic mechanism to reinstate the semi-protection) [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 20:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
:I think that this feature would be useful. Ideally, it would be in software, but I see no need to wait if the MediaWiki devs haven't put it in yet. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed hawk</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 20:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments and feedback, everyone. The request for approval of this bot is now posted on [[WP:BRFA]]. [[User:Daniel Quinlan|Daniel Quinlan]] ([[User talk:Daniel Quinlan|talk]]) 22:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
== Organized toolbar ==
:::On the other hand, Wikiblame should not be in the list with Wikidata, Wikinews, Wikibooks, and other sister projects. But Commons and Wiktionary should be in the list of sister projects, and I don't see them. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 05:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]]. Hopefully I haven't given off the impression that I am offering an exhaustive overview. Commons and Wiktionary are just as welcome. My main focus was on getting some relatively hidden tools to be accessible via 'Analysis'. [[User:Infogiraffic|Infogiraffic]] ([[User talk:Infogiraffic|talk]]) 08:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::As a proof of concept, I think it's fine. I wouldn't personally find it very useful, because I'd rather type than look for anything in a menu. But others, especially those less familiar with MediaWiki software, likely have the opposite preference. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 16:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
== Should it be permitted to list short names/aliases in the documentation pages for maintenance templates? ==
:I also don't see how the behavior of redirects is unintuitive. (Just as you can link a page via its redirects, you can insert a template (transclude a page) via its redirects.) Nor would listing redirects on the documentation page help people typing [citation needed] (who will not have occasion to visit the documentation page). [[User:SilverLocust|SilverLocust]] [[User talk:SilverLocust|💬]] 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. This is needless bloat to the documentation. A documentation of a template is meant to explain how the template works and any quirks that it needs to address. More complicated templates, need longer documentation. A list of redirects does not add to understanding how a template works, it's purpose, or really anything. All it does is make the documentation page longer (bloated) and harder to navigate and read. When something is added to a page and placed in hidden or collapsed sections, that's usually a sign it really isn't needed (see [[MOS:DONTHIDE]]). A list of redirects can be found in the "what links here" page for anyone that wants to view them. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 07:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::Well, a doc page is meant to explain how to use the template, and letting people know that they can type <code><nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki></code> instead of having to spell out <code><nowiki>{{citation needed}}</nowiki></code> every time is "how to use the template". [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 16:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I disagree, that isn't how to use the template. That explains how redirect works. For that, they can go read up at [[WP:REDIRECT]]. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 22:16, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support only for popular redirects, oppose others'''. It's certainly fine to have a note in the {{t|Citation needed}} documentation that the commonly used shortcut {{t|cn}} redirects there. But noting in the documentation that the misspelling {{t|Ciation needed}} redirects there adds nothing but bloat. I worry that if this passes without qualification, it'll lead folks to start adding bloated lists of every single template en masse. I understand the temptation to use {{t|list redirects}} to automate the process, but we're not ready for that until {{t|list redirects}} is made significantly more capable so that it can distinguish between common redirects and uncommon ones. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 17:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
*'''Moot: There's no policy/otherwise forbidding this to begin with'''. Get consensus on the template's talk page that a redirect is worth mentioning, and then mention it.  <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 22:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
==Afd to Prn/Pcn==
****:I'm also old enough to remember the VfD days. Anyway, AfD has its problems. What it's called is not one of them. Let's worry about stuff that matters. [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 02:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
*I agree with Uncle G, the current name has a clarity that said replacements would not have. Even if the new name is somewhat less intimidating to newcomers, it's better to be upfront about what's happening. ― <kbd style="font-size:85%">[[User:Mir Novov|<b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b>]] [[User talk:Mir Novov|<span style="color:#790">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Mir Novov|<span style="color:#790">c)</span>]]</kbd> 06:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
*'''Rename to Articles for Discussion?''', in line with the other XFDs. I had a similar query and sometimes feel uncertain about nominating articles when I'm on the fence if they should be deleted/merged/redirected. The 'AfD' acronym is also maintained. [[User:Svampesky|<span style="color: #008080">Svampesky</span>]] ([[User talk:Svampesky|<span style="color: #008080">talk</span>]]) 23:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
**[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?fulltext=Search+archives&prefix=Wikipedia+talk%3AArticles+for+deletion%2F&search=%22articles+for+discussion%22&ns0=1 Sigh]. [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/FAQ|In]] [[Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Rename AFD|particular]]. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 23:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
**:LOL, I had no idea :) [[User:Svampesky|<span style="color: #008080">Svampesky</span>]] ([[User talk:Svampesky|<span style="color: #008080">talk</span>]]) 23:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
== I see the new Dark Mode but can we also get a 3rd "Dim Mode"? ==
Hopefully you guys can consider! [[Special:Contributions/2603:900A:1106:2DB9:1C37:85E1:CE71:D2BB|2603:900A:1106:2DB9:1C37:85E1:CE71:D2BB]] ([[User talk:2603:900A:1106:2DB9:1C37:85E1:CE71:D2BB|talk]]) 21:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
▲: :@Pinging [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] , is there any chance that the Web team changed any fonts?. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 0516: 2436, 2029 July 2024 (UTC)
== Marking [[Wikipedia:Pokémon test]] as Historical ==
I believe that [[Wikipedia:Pokémon test]] would be better marked as a historical page. It is not really about an editor's viewpoint, but about a former argument used in Articles for Deletion that lead to a mass deletion of Pokémon related articles. The article is still used in AFDs, but only when referencing this time period. [[User:(Oinkers42)|(Oinkers42)]] ([[User talk:(Oinkers42)|talk]]) 21:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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