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| text = <big>'''Happy adminship anniversary!'''</big><br />Hi Mandsford! On behalf of the [[WP:Birthday Committee|Birthday Committee]], I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&page=User%3AMandsford successful request for adminship]. Enjoy this special day! [[User:The Herald|The Herald (Benison)]] ([[User talk:The Herald|talk]]) 18:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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== Administrators' newsletter – September 2024 ==
[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (August 2024).
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== A question ==
Hi Mandsford how are you? The Transylvania events in 1848-49 was obviously complex and tragic. In an attempt to not falling into the trick of favoring or blaming either ethnic/nationalistic narratives (be it Hungarian or Romanian), being balanced and neutral is the key. So I wonder where would be the best places (book) to get a full picture of what happened in Transylvania between 1848-49 or probably other preludes to it? I am only asking this because the article posted on EN wiki is far from it. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A|2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A|talk]]) 21:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
== Following "A question" ==
If convenient and possible for you, would it be okay if we discuss via emails? Please reply thank you. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A|2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A|talk]]) 21:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
:2604-- I prefer not to get into an e-mail discussion, and suggest that you create a talk page, but in looking over the current English language article [[1848–1849 massacres in Transylvania]], it looks as if most of this is based on an 1894 book, "1848–1849-iki magyar szabadságharc története" that's written in Hungarian and isn't available on Google Books. One of the sources on that page, "History Derailed" is here https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_Derailed/a9csmhIT_BQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Nagyenyed+1849&pg=PA112&printsec=frontcover
:As far as other stuff, I'd recommend comparing the Hungarian, Romanian and Bosnian articles and see what they say, and to go to Google Books and type in stuff like "Abrudbanya 1849". What little else I've found in English is this https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_War_in_Hungary_in_1848_an/P7AAAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Abrudbanya+1849&pg=PA325&printsec=frontcover and this https://www.google.com/books/edition/Nationalism_and_the_Crowd_in_Liberal_Hun/urIXKGuEHCEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Zalatna+1848&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover 13:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC) [[User:Mandsford|Mandsford]] 13:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you so much for your kind response to my questions, No problem totally understand about not to get into email discussion. Yeah I found Alice Freifeld's book and started reading it and her account was balanced and neutral with more deeper analysis (I also emailed her). I've started reading Otto Wenkstern's book and his tone obviously reflected the age of nationalism (i.e.Hungarian War of 1848 ended because gorgey was a traitor and by the self-seeking, the greed, and the envy of others... contemporary like Istavan Deak had new research proved otherwise). I only wish there are more recent publications on the matter without favoring or blaming ethnic/nationalistic narrative (as shown in some wiki articles on sensitive and complex topics). But anyway, I guess I might contact Transylvania History Mesume or expert in Transylvania History to find something useful about this. But again thank you for your response. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A|2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A|talk]]) 17:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
::P.S. Some interesting piece of information I read regarding Revolution 1848-49 was that the Imperial armies were racially and lingustically mixed (even included Hungarians, Italians and Poles), and Haynau was actually admired by his soilders as a dashing and caring leader. History was really trully complex. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A|2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:D07F:E580:0:0:0:A28A|talk]]) 17:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
:::History definitely has been complex, though I guess that's what makes it interesting. I hadn't known about the extent of the killing in the 1848 revolutions, and it's good that you're revealing the history on the English language Wikipedia. A lot of times you can go through your local library for an inter-library loan of a book that isn't available. If there's any other suggestions I can make, please feel free to send message.[[User:Mandsford|Mandsford]] 18:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I only discover the Wiki Talk Page recently and found it very useful so decided to take the chance to write a bit on Hungarian Revolution article's talk page about neo-absolutism and imperial forces. Neo-absolutism despite its namesake was a fascinating period of rapid changes and growth. The bit about composition of imperial forces was a response to the claim that "Most *** groups support Hungary" on article because it's such a broad generalization and disregard the complexities of a multinational state and class and ethnicity.
::::P.S. I think had Joseph had patience and given much more consideration and diligence with regards to his reforms or Leopold II lived longer or even Ferdinand I was able to govern, maybe the emancipation of serfs and other needed reforms would started sooner and maybe the turbulent years of 48-49 wouldn't happen. [[Special:Contributions/216.10.229.109|216.10.229.109]] ([[User talk:216.10.229.109|talk]]) 08:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Sorry to bother you again Mandsford, I think the problematic discipline of different armies (be it regular or militia) and disregard for human lives and values (in comparison to today's world, but even today's world these problems still exist unfortunately) also presented a major challenge back then. The longer one's fighting the longer one could have become more insensitive. For instance, I've read it after being routed at Novara 1849, there were stragglers of Sardinian army who felt bitter because of being "involuntarily" conscripted for fighting the war, and they looted their own countrymen from villages as they passed through. And Novi Sad's population fell from 20000 to 7000 (including those who returned later) and 3/4 of town was devastated
::::after heavy bombardment and being captured by Hungarians in 1848-49 War. It's truly sad what war could do to people. [[Special:Contributions/216.10.229.109|216.10.229.109]] ([[User talk:216.10.229.109|talk]]) 07:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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