Wikipedia talk:Verifiability: Difference between revisions

::Agreed. Revert Ninjas cannot use [[WP:ONUS]] as the sole justification for their reverts. But they can throw out subjective arguments (as already mentioned, [[WP:UNDUE]] or [[WP:TRIVIA]]) that are impossible to shoot down because they are subjective in nature, and then use [[WP:ONUS]] to get the upper hand in the content dispute. [[User:Where is Matt?|Where is Matt?]] ([[User talk:Where is Matt?|talk]]) 17:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

::::So… talk to others (don’t focus on trying to convince the “ninja”. Get 3rd and 4th opinions). Explain '''why''' you think the content isn’t UNDUE or TRIVIA (or whatever the challenge is based on). Make the best argument you can and try to gain a consensus to return the disputed material to the article. You won’t always be successful, but sometimes you might be. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 17:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

:::''All'' challenges are subjective, and UNDUE and TRIVIA appear to have widespread community backing. "This content doesn't belong here" ''in any form'' is a valid challenge, editors do not and should not have to know Wikipedia wordsalad to form a challenge that meets anyone's expectations.

:::I put forward some ideas to make it clearer that ONUS shouldn't be used as the initial reason for removing content, an issue it shares with "no consensus", but it didn't go anywhere. -- LCU '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]»'' °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°</small> 17:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)