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:::This is addressed specifically at [[WP:SOVEREIGN]] #8, which indicates "No family or middle names, except where English speakers normally use them. The exception holds, for example, for Italian Renaissance dynasts." This is an Italian renaissance dynast, so per the example listed in the guideline, the family name should remain as an exception to the rule.
:::Also as I think more about this, I am beginning to become uncertain that "top-level" sovereignty is what [[WP:SOVEREIGN]] is really concerned with. I think the difference between the applicability of [[WP:SOVEREIGN]] and [[WP:NCPEER]] is whether they were an actual ruler, as opposed to a noble in title only as part of peerage. It doesn't matter if they had an overlord; I think [[WP:SOVEREIGN]] should apply even for rulers of sub-realms. That's how the guideline comes across to me, anyway. [[User:Bensci54|Bensci54]] ([[User talk:Bensci54|talk]]) 20:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Indeed, [[User:Bensci54|Bensci54]]; WP:SOVEREIGN lists, under point #5, "European monarchs whose rank is below that of king (e.g., grand dukes, electors, dukes, princes)" and names [[Maximilian I, Elector of Bavaria]] as an example of an ambiguously named ruler. Maximilian was a contemporary of Cosimo and, like him, a ruler within the Holy Roman Empire. That is to say, rulers were always intended to be covered by WP:SOVEREIGN. [[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 22:09, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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