Talk:Eric XI of Sweden

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Good work here. There are a lot of gaps in pre-Vasa Swedish history to the English reader. Its a big help to my work.

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King Eric had a club foot and was also called Ericus Balbus. The English word halter is the closest possible translation of the Swedish "halte". Educated English-speakers know that the English verb "halt" is to limp. Non-Swedish natives do not flatter themselves by being masteful about the English language or trying to ridicule English natives using English correctly. SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 31 August 2024

Eric XI of Sweden → Erik Eriksson (king) – The WP:COMMONNAME for this king is "Erik Eriksson".

• Ngram shows that Erik Eriksson has been more common in the literature since 1910 or so. However, "Erik Eriksson" is also a common name for other people, so the full curve for "Erik Eriksson" cannot be attributed to the king. The decline in the use of "Eric XI" is more clear.
• Reliable sources usually use the name Erik Eriksson. See e.g. GBooks search for Erik+1222+1250. Typical example is the Cambridge History of Scandinavia. Britannica does not have a dedicated page for him, but the "Learn more page" is titled Erik Eriksson.
• There are a lot of other Erik Erikssons (dab page), and the king is not the primary topic. For disambiguation, I suggest the parenthetical disambiguation, which would be a concise choice. I don't believe our hands are tied very strongly by WP:NCROY here since its applicability to medieval Sweden is somewhat dubious. These patronymic names are not of the "common stock", and Sweden was not a hereditary monarchy at the time.

— Jähmefyysikko (talk) 04:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as a change from WP:NATURAL to parenthetical disambiguation is not preferable. I would be amenable to Eric XI Eriksson or something of the like. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Erik XI Eriksson would also be an improvement over the current title. It would be more recognizable than the current title, being closer to the common name. It is not perfect, however. The numeral is so dubious that we have to write long apologies for it (footnote A in the article). Also, it is not highly natural (CRIT#2): although a mixture of numeral and patronymic is sometimes used in book indexes and the like, it is very rarely used in the running prose (See GBooks for "Erik XI Eriksson" and also note the various parentheses around the numeral or the patronymic). Still, it would be better than the current title. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 00:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC); edited 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)