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Your revert is absolutely mind boggling because it's in the same citation. You really ought to do your due diligence before reverting. Where is Matt? (talk) 18:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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"revert ninjas"

That essay was written fifteen years ago, which was basically the wild west, and it's an essay. Just stop calling people who disagree with your additions "revert ninjas". It really doesn't matter that you aren't singling out specific editors by name to call them that.

As an aside, coming in hot is rarely helpful in persuading others. Even if your proposal could have gained traction, you pretty much discouraged everyone reading at that discussion from open-minded consideration of it just from the section title and language. Valereee (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't see anything in the essay that would make it dated, but if it was dated, it should have included the template {{historical}}, but it doesn't. Where is Matt? (talk) 02:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

And to add to that, WP:NINJA does not call anyone "revert ninjas," as has been pointed out to you. Of people who revert and do not discuss, it says: They don't cultivate the anonymity of the ninja. So not ninjas then. Note that the humorous description of ninja's is all about the supposed cloak of anonymity and cover of darkness. The term you are using is entirely your own, and is ad hominem, which does seem a touch... ironic. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

So if I used the term "edit ninja" instead of "revert ninja" everything would have been cool? Where is Matt? (talk) 02:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

No. We do not need "terms" for people, especially when used to refer to those you're complaining about in an inherently contentious discussion. Please let me know that you're understanding this, because this comment is starting to feel a bit WP:IDHT. Valereee (talk) 10:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

We need terms for behaviors. Do you have a better term than WP:NINJA for editors who don't follow Wikipedia:Don't revert due solely to "no consensus"? That's the problem that I am trying to address. The way WP:ONUS is currently written, it gives those editors the weapon to do just that. Where is Matt? (talk) 14:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Speaking of "coming in hot", the essay WP:HOTHEADS is full of a lot good advice (for everyone, really, not only those who come in hot). As for the idea that one is not engaging incivility by calling people names as an anonymous group instead of singling out specific editors by name, that's WP:SANCTIONGAMING, and doesn't work. You got warned by an administrator to stop doing it. You should listen. See also WP:ASPERSIONS from ArbCom: It is unacceptable for an editor to routinely accuse others of misbehavior without reasonable cause. Note the plural in that.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

First, I specifically laid out what revert ninjas do (using the subjective arguments of WP:UNDUE and WP:TRIVIA and then requiring the editor who wants to add the content to get a consensus that the content is not in violation of these subjective arguments), so I didn't really call any of the people who have reverted me "revert ninjas", since none of them used these excuses. But you would know better than me, since you spent the time scrutinizing all my edits that were reverted.

Second, had the label of "revert ninjas" that I used would have been applicable to some of the editors who reverted me, but I did not explicitly name any editor as a "revert ninja", how would that have violated WP:SANCTIONGAMING? I don't see anything in WP:SANCTIONGAMING that would have remotely applied.

Where is Matt? (talk) 02:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

See my immediate previous comment, this too feels like you are either unable or unwilling to understand what people are telling you. Valereee (talk) 10:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)