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Count of DYK Hooks
Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
July 18	2	1
July 19	1
July 26	1
July 27	1	1
July 28	3
July 29	2
July 30
August 1	2
August 3	1
August 4	2	1
August 5	3	1
August 6	3	1
August 7	2	2
August 8	2	1
August 9	1
August 10	4	1
August 11	5	2
August 12	2	2
August 13	2	2
August 14	9	6
August 15	6	5
August 16	6	3
August 17	8	4
August 18	9	8
August 19	7	3
August 20	5	3
August 21	2	1
August 22	5	4
August 23	9	3
August 24	7	1
August 25	10	4
August 26	5	2
August 27	13	9
August 28	14	6
August 29	16	6
August 30	21	7
August 31	9	6
September 1	7	5
September 2	9	5
September 3	7	4
September 4	7	5
September 5	5	3
September 6	8	4
September 7	10	1
September 8	8	4
September 9	9	3
September 10	7	2
September 11	6	2
September 12	9	1
September 13	1
September 14
Total	293	135
Last updated 15:23, 14 September 2024 UTC Current time is 15:52, 14 September 2024 UTC [refresh]

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How do I write an interesting hook?

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Advanced procedures

How to promote an accepted hook

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area

See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for details on verifying a hook's acceptability. Promoters should not promote their own nomination or their own review. When promoting hooks intended for a particular date, keep in mind that when the number of available approved nominations exceeds 120 we switch to two sets per day, and when that number drops below 60 we return to one set per day. Check list for nomination review completeness Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: . Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed. Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated). Hook should make sense grammatically. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set. Steps to add a hook to prep In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote. In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to. Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :) For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue. Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot. Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end. Check that there's a bold link to the article. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom Check your work in the prep's Preview mode. At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake. Save the Prep page. Closing the DYK nomination page At the upper left Ändern Sie {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage Ändern Sie |passed= to |passed=yes At the bottom Just above the line containing }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.--> insert a new, separate line containing one of the following: To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]] To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]] To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]] To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]] To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]] To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]] To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]] Also paste the same thing into the edit summary. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom. Save. For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

• To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
• To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
• To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
• To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
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• To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

• Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
• In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
• Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
  • View the edit history for that page
  • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
  • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
• Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on July 18

Khalji Revolution

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Sultan Jalaluddin Khalji enthroned following the Khalji Revolution

• ... that the Khalji Revolution led by Jalaluddin Khalji saw the fall of the Turkic Mamluk Dynasty and the rise of the Turko-Afghan Khalji dynasty to rule the Delhi Sultanate?

• Source: https://books.google.ca/books?id=8XnaL7zPXPUC&q=khalji+revolution&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=khalji%20revolution&f=false (page 28)

• Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Noorullah21 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Noorullah (talk) 03:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, but just wanted to leave some alts:

ALT1: ...that during the Khalji Revolution, the sultan Qaiqabad was wrapped in a carpet and thrown into the Yamuna river?

ALT2: ...that the child sultan Shamsuddin Kayumars was imprisoned and deposed as a result of the Khalji Revolution?

Kimikel (talk) 03:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I will review the original hook

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - The hook is mentioned in the lead, as a summary of things explained in greater detail in the article. It has no reference (the lead does not need it), but the hook is then no mentioned in any single referenced sentence.
• Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: I changed the licence of File:Maginary portrait of Sultan Firuz Khalji, Khwaja Hasan, and a dervish..jpg from PD-ART-70 to PD-ArT-100 (it is from 1640) Cambalachero (talk) 23:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Could do one of the alt's suggested instead then. Noorullah (talk) 01:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

The two ALT hooks are referenced as part of a reference that covers a whole paragraph. The reference should be placed specifically on the sentence being used, even if repetitive. I may accept the article anyway, but then someone else would roll it back and ask the same thing, so let's do it right from the start. Cambalachero (talk) 19:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Noorullah21: Please address the above.--Launchballer 20:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot about this, will try to come up with some other hooks soon. Noorullah (talk) 23:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I will close this if this isn't fixed in the next 24 hours @Noorullah21:.--Launchballer 09:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

What about this: ALT3: ...that the Khalji Revolution in 1290 led to the overthrow Turkic Mamluk Dynasty in the Delhi Sultanate, and the rise of the Turko-Afghan Khalji Dynasty? Main source: [1]
(This is an effective repeat of the first hook, but I've updated the article to include references relevant to it so that it's not standalone in the lead itself). Noorullah (talk) 23:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

What about it? The problem was that the two ALT hooks don't have end-of-sentence citations. They still don't. And ALT0/3 (and also ALT2) are highly dependent on names and don't meet WP:DYKINT. (ALT1 is better, but again, it does not have an end-of-sentence citation. It should do.)--Launchballer 21:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Alright, I've added a citation for the ALT1 hook in my most recent revision. [2] Noorullah (talk) 14:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Approving ALT1.--Launchballer 15:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

David Yong

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• ... that David Yong's interest in K-pop started after he took his younger brother to a Twice concert in 2017? Source: https://www.tnp.sg/entertainment/music/singaporean-lawyer-ceo-david-yong-makes-k-pop-debut-signs-mamamoos-agency
  • ALT1: ... that Singapore-born businessman and K-Pop singer David Yong invested 10 billion won ($7.5 million USD) to an entertainment agency that faced a legal dispute with its only artist? Source: https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20240303050161
  • ALT2: ... that before Singaporean artist David Yong mounted his music career, he was the chief executive officer of a timber firm? Source: [3]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Blinking Sam

Created by Tails Wx (talk) and Jeraxmoira (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

~ Tails Wx 00:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: I want to suggest linking "an entertainment agency" and "its only artist" to their respective articles, but not sure if that would be overlinking. Just a thought—otherwise all looks good. I prefer ALT0, just waiting for QPQ now. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 01:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• I did consider linking those terms, but ultimately decided not to because of the aforementioned reason. QPQ now done. Thanks for the review, Bsoyka! ~ Tails Wx 20:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Works for me—here's the beautiful green stamp of approval. Great work here! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 21:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• I don't know if DYK?again is the right icon to use here, but a question popped up on my talk page which might affect this nom, so I'll just copy that to this page and let the conversation continue here. RoySmith (talk) 20:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

moved from User Talk:RoySmith#How adverse is DYK...

... in promoting a BLP hook when there is new (negative) development? While this is regarding a specific DYK nom, I generally have been inactive in the DYK area hence a lack of knowledge of the norms on DYK reviewing on my part, thus the question here. This is also at no fault of anyone involved in the DYK item thus far. DYK/David Yong was reviewed and approved in July 2024. Almost one month later now in August, he was recently arrested and charged in Singapore for some financial crimes. In this circumstance, will the BLP hook be queued for the Main Page still? If so, which hook will be used? ALT0 or ALT1? – robertsky (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC) Hmmm, interesting question. Are you suggesting a new hook based on this new event, or just wondering how it would affect the currently approved hook(s)? In either case, let me suggest what I think is the best way forward; I can reopen the nomination then you should post your question there where more people can see it. If everybody's happy, somebody will re-approve it. Does that sound like a reasonable plan? RoySmith (talk) 19:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC) Oh yeah, @Tails Wx, Jeraxmoira, and Bsoyka: RoySmith (talk) 19:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC) I'm not leaning in a particular direction here—I support whatever the community decides. I agree that this is probably a good conversation to have on the nomination page. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 19:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC) Just wondering how it would affect the currently approved hook(s) in general... although a piece of new information does impact on ALT1. Your suggestion is sound and a discussion can be carried out there. – robertsky (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• From the discussion above: I definitely do think that the recent news does impact ALT1, though ALT0 doesn't seem to be impacted by this, other than the mention of Yong. The reviewer, Bsoyka, did prefer ALT0, and I almost don't see a problem with it being accepted, other than given the recent news on Yong's financial problems, which does make me re-think that for a bit. ~ Tails Wx 03:06, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:DYKBLP suggests avoiding undue attention on contentious information, but negative developments do not disqualify a subject from being on DYK as long as BLP and other guidelines/policies are followed. As long as the article is updated, and given how Yong is not primarily known for the recent incident, I can't see how the latest incident should prevent this from being promoted with ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

My only concern is ALT1. I am ambivalent about the rest. – robertsky (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't find ALT0 interesting either @Tails Wx:. My suggestion would be something along the lines of "that before David Yong mounted a music career, he had been the chief executive officer of a timber firm".--Launchballer 07:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I've rephrased your suggested hook a bit and added ALT2 above. ~ Tails Wx 03:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Then we need another reviewer to tick it off.--Launchballer 07:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm unsure about the timeframe for ALT2. Yong is cited as expanding EGH beyond timber trading "early in his career" but no date is stated. He is cited as starting a music career in 2021, but is that definitively later than "early in his career". The wording is not ideal here. I have struck ALT1 since it is negative in aspect. I have struck ALT0 since it is boring. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 18:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

User:Flibirigit, I have updated the early life section. Let me know if it needs more details. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Was Yong the CEO of the timber firm in 2014? The wording is not clear when he became the CEO, and thus not clear if it is before 2021 when he began a music career. Flibirigit (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

ALT3: ...that Singaporean former lawyer David Yong learned Korean and moved to South Korea to become a K-pop star? Bremps... 07:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Waiting on a response to my question on ALT2 before going ahead with ALT3. Flibirigit (talk) 11:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

comment: the personal life section says that he lives in the tallest tower in Seoul. the source used to support it is... interesting:

The Beatles sang this song ages ago, and when you see David Yong all peacocked up in Celine jackets, and see his story unravel in front of us, you feel sorry for him. He’s a Singaporean living in Korea, and says his family has timber businesses in Cambodia and other SE Asian countries. He has opened an Entertainment business in Korea (since K-dramas are internationally big). He lives in the tallest tower in Seoul, has designer clothing on racks, designer bags in his living room and yes a money counting machine.

is this really a good source? it doesn't even say what the tallest tower is. ltbdl☃ (talk) 13:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The source is vague, and the corresponding wording in Wikipedia is also vague but true to the source. There's no problem. Flibirigit (talk) 17:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 28

Center squeeze

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Distribution of winning candidates under RCV, showing a bias towards extremes

• ... that in Burlington's second election using ranked-choice voting, independent Bob Kiss was elected despite his opponent being preferred by over half the voters?
  • ALT0a:... that in Burlington's second election by ranked-choice voting, Bob Kiss was elected despite his opponent being preferred by a majority of voters?
• *ALT0b:... that in Alaska's first election by ranked-choice voting, Mary Peltola was elected despite her opponent Nick Begich being preferred by a majority of voters?
• ALT1a:... that candidates can win under ranked-choice voting, even if their opponent is preferred by more than half of all voters?
  • ALT1b:... that a candidate can win under ranked-choice voting even if their opponent is preferred by more than half of all voters?
• ALT2a:... that ranked-choice voting tends to favor extremists over consensus picks?
  • Reviewed:

Created by Closed Limelike Curves (talk) and Jasavina (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC).

• This is more of a comment than a review for now, but I have some reservations about the hook. For instance, the subject of the hook is Center squeeze, but the article is more about Burlington's second election. Unless you want to make it a double hook, I'm not sure if the current hook as written is appropriate or at least meets WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE regarding hooks being primarily about the subject. My suggestion would be to write a hook that's specifically about Center squeeze itself (perhaps something about its spoiler effect?), as opposed to a specific example. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Hmm, maybe? I'm a bit torn, since I feel like concrete examples make it easier to understand the topic. I've added some possible alternatives, though.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
    • ALT1a might have potential, but it's currently a WP:SEAOFBLUE and so may need to be fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
      • Fixed as best I could in Alt1b. I also added Alt0a, because I think an example of center squeeze is closely related (enough to satisfy the DYK guideline). I've also suggested the example of the AK special election, since I think it gets brought up in the lead of the article.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 15:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I've done some formatting to the hooks which may or may not rectify your concerns.--Launchballer 12:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, the new hooks should work. Given how the hooks based on examples are not only specific but may require specialist knowledge, I've struck them. The nom is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@Closed Limelike Curves: There are huge amounts of unsourced content in this! Please fix them. When you've done that, I will give this a proper review.--Launchballer 11:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Fixed. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I still see unsourced content.--Launchballer 07:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

J1407b

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Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk

• ... that the "Super Saturn" exoplanet J1407b might actually turn out to be a free-floating planet or brown dwarf?

• Source: "Issues with the stability of any rings combined with the lack of detection of another eclipse, suggests that J1407b may not be bound to J1407." Mentel, R. T.; et al. (2018). "Constraining the period of the ringed secondary companion to the young star J1407 with photographic plates". Astronomy & Astrophysics.; "...the object we called J1407b is floating freely through the Galaxy, and just happened to pass in front of a very young star." Kenworthy, M. A. J1407b. (2024)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/White bear of Henry III
• Comment: The J1407b article was converted from redirect into article as a result of a split from the V1400 Centauri article. I began slowly expanding V1400 Centauri on 8 July 2024, but I did not add much to the J1407b section until 24 July 2024. As of today, it's been 5 days since I significantly expanded the J1407b section. Also, the image is optional; I'm fine whether it is used or not.

Converted from a redirect by Nrco0e (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: @Nrco0e: Hey, nice work on this article. I just took a look at your previous DYK entries, and this one is slightly different. Per WP:DYKHOOK, "The hook should include a definite fact that is unlikely to change, and citations in the article that are used to support the hook fact must verify the hook and be reliable." Do we know for a fact that J1407b might be a free-floating planet or a brown dwarf? It doesn't seem so. Your current version says it is not a brown dwarf. This hook also gives the impression of WP:CRYSTAL. What do you think? Can you come up with other hooks or do you personally believe this follows the rules? Viriditas (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• @Nrco0e: my guess is you are busy with school, but pinging you just in case that helps draw your attention by the weekend. Viriditas (talk) 20:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• @ජපස: I could use your guidance. Could you review my comments up above? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 22:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I am actually okay with the hook. Brown dwarf seems to not be ruled out and the crucial word "might" makes it facilely correct whether or not it is actually this way or that! There is even a small chance that this thing is just an extremely eccentric orbit, though the chances of this are slim to none. :) jps (talk) 22:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@ජපස: I'm with you. The problem is that the lead of the article currently says "Mamajek's team initially hypothesized that J1407b is an exoplanet or brown dwarf orbiting the star, but that has since been disfavored by later studies", so if we run this hook it will sound incorrect. Could you maybe take a look at the article when you have some time and make any necessary adjustments or propose a new hook? There's also the slight problem that DYK tends to favor hooks that consist of facts that don't change. Thanks, and there's no hurry on any of this. Viriditas (talk) 22:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, you mean because someone might think get confused and think the brown dwarf was not free-floating? It is the orbit that is disfavored as opposed to the identification of the object's planet vs. brown dwarf status. jps (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Right. Any way to clarify that? Viriditas (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

... that when J1407b (which is either an exoplanet oder brown dwarf) was discovered, it was thought likely to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating? jps (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@ජපස and Viriditas: Hi, yes, I've been really busy with school and other personal matters, so I apologize for the delay. jps, I think your hook is good, but I think it needs to mention that J1407b has a disk/ring system, since that is what J1407b is most known for. In that case, perhaps you can say this below?

... that when J1407b (a ringed exoplanet or brown dwarf) was discovered, it was thought to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating?

I feel like that the parenthetical part of this hook can be eliminated to make it more concise (i.e. say "when the ringed exoplanet oder brown dwarf J1407b was discovered"), but I'm not sure if it flows any better, so I'd like to hear what you two think. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

No worries, this is what we call the "riffing" stage. Parentheticals aren’t really allowed in hooks. Viriditas (talk) 01:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I think we should stick with one or the other. Personally, if I had to choose, I would not say anything about the rings/disk. The lack of a repeated transit is more interesting. But, alternatively, you could say something like "... that J1407b is either a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk or a ringed exoplanet." jps (talk) 01:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding below. Please change or add as necessary. Viriditas (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Note, the proposed caption for the image is likely too long and needs to be trimmed. Viriditas (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: I'm leaning towards ALT1. The lede of the J1407b article states it is a substellar object (an umbrella term including exoplanets and brown dwarfs), so I think ALT2 would be confusing to the layman. I did change the wording of ALT2 for clarity since the original sounded like J1407b had either a disk or ringed exoplanet, although it still doesn't resolve this aforementioned issue. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Can you please trim the lead image caption? I don't think they will allow a long caption like that. Viriditas (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: How short does the caption have to be? Would "Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" be enough or does that caption sound too unrelated to the subject? If the latter is an issue, would it work to include "like J1407b" somewhere in the caption? Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure, but "Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" sounds perfect to me, and if there's a problem, others will deal with it. Even better would be "Illus. of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" but I don't know if that's gospel. Viriditas (talk) 23:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Got it, I've changed the caption. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• @Nrco0e and ජපස: Earwig doesn't like this: Mark J. Pecaut, a then-graduate student under the supervision of Eric E. Mamajek at the University of Rochester discovered... Can you paraphrase and reword? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  Seems like excessive detail to me. The names of discoverers are also a bit of a throwback. Unless there was much mention in the media or something about attributing the discovery, it devalues the team nature of how science is actually done. jps (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  Good point. I will look during my second read through. Do you think the lead section is too dense for the general reader? I know the body is, but it's not too difficult to get through. My only issue is that some of it was kind of boring and I thought the prose could be a touch more exciting particularly in terms of summarizing each section in the first sentence, so the reader knows what's coming and is prepared for the details. I would like to close this soon so I'm going to try and expedite this review. Has everyone chosen the best hook? Viriditas (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  @ජපස: Can you clarify what you mean by "devalues the team nature of how science is actually done"? I mention Pecaut and Mamajek in the article because that's what Kenworthy says in his website (ref 8). Other news sources from 2012 explicitly say Pecaut and Mamajek discovered the eclipse.[4][5] I mention the other collaborators of Pecaut and Mamajek in the sentences about the conference and journal paper because that's where they first appear in. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 17:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Oh, don't read too much into it. The game is to attribute to one or two people these sorts of discoveries, but we stand on the shoulders of giants. I don't object to you identifying these two as the discoverers. For our purposes, they are. It's just that discovery provenance is caught up in a lot of problematic narratives associated with science, "discovery", and the like. In any case, it's not that big of a deal. Just a thought that perhaps we don't necessarily need to mention who discovered it in a hook. jps (talk) 17:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Ah, alright. Thanks for clearing it up.Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 17:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ජපස: I don't think I'd vote for any hook that mentions the discoverers, and none of the proposed hooks do, so that's kind of a moot point. I suggest we move discussions about the general ethics of science to somewhere else (this thread is getting long enough by itself). Renerpho (talk) 03:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Viriditas: Reworded the sentence. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 17:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Lead: It was first detected by telescopes of the Super Wide Angle Search for Planets (SuperWASP) and All Sky Automated Survey (ASAS) projects in April–June 2007. Any reason to include the "April-June" part and just say 2007 instead? Works better for the reader, and there's no reason to know the months here, is there? Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Astronomers Mark Pecaut and Eric Mamajek Do we really need a link to astronomers here? Viriditas (talk) 02:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  I would say "no". jps (talk) 10:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  I changed it to "team of astronomers". @ජපස: I was just looking at various versions of this subject on other language projects. What I found interesting is how different sites treat the subject. For example, at es, the authors write "J1407b is probably a brown dwarf that is not gravitationally attracted by a star", whereas we take a more ambiguous POV. Just wondering what you think of this. Another thing I've noticed is that the other sites are also very easy to read and understand, whereas this article has somewhat unnecessarily complex and confusing language that talks around the subject rather than just directly stating the knowns and unknowns. Viriditas (talk) 21:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  ALT1 seems fine to me. The Spanish article is simpler, at the expense of being wrong (working with an outdated mass estimate in the lede). I appreciate the English version for being thorough, and more careful with keeping apart the different hypothesis. Yes, that makes the article more complex, but I'll prefer that to an oversimplification any day. That said, I also agree that the lede can be made simpler and more concise without losing much. Renerpho (talk) 06:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed. I'm still standing with ALT1 as I have mentioned earlier. And yes, the other language Wikipedia articles on J1407b are outdated and have not been edited and updated as thoroughly as what I have done to the English article. I personally don't think using these other language Wikipedia articles is really a clear-cut way of qualifying the article. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 17:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• @ජපස and Nrco0e: I've been reading our project pages on the same topic and they basically all share one thing in common that is different from this page. They generalize in the lead and present just the bare facts, and I think that's missing here. We have to assume that most of our readers are not astronomers and astrophysicists. For example, I still find this statement confusing based on the way it is written: "Mamajek's team initially hypothesized that J1407b is an exoplanet or brown dwarf orbiting the star, but that has since been disfavored by later studies". We don't even need to go into all of that. Just fix the lead so that first sentence states right away at the beginning that J1407b is either an an exoplanet or brown dwarf that is likely a free-floating object. Then, from there, once the reader understands what exactly it is they are reading, you can go into the nitty gritty. I have read this six times and I still think the lead is too detailed, particularly in the first paragraph. Give us a dumbed down first paragraph, and I think you should be fine slowly introducing the reader to more details. Viriditas (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

How about this for the lede section?

J1407b is a substellar object, possibly a free-floating planet, with a massive ring system or circumplanetary disk. It was first detected in 2007 when its rings eclipsed the star V1400 Centauri, causing a series of dimming events for 56 days. J1407b's rings span a radius of about 90 million kilometers (56 million miles) and may eventually form moons over time. Although initially thought to be orbiting V1400 Centauri, later studies suggest J1407b is likely an unbound object passing in front of the star.

This is stripped down to what I think is the bare minimum. Everything else can (and is) handled in the article body. The Spanish Wikipedia article adds a mass estimate, but I think that's not essential (not to mention that it's a bit tricky, and the Spanish version gets it wrong). Renerpho (talk) 07:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I went ahead and replaced the lede. Renerpho (talk) 07:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that when J1407b was discovered, it was thought to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating?
• ALT2: ... that J1407b is either a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk or an exoplanet with a massive ring system?
• ALT3: ... that the "Super Saturn" exoplanet J1407b might turn out to be a free-floating planet or brown dwarf?

Review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Still need to choose a hook. What is the preference of the nom (and others), based on ALT1, ALT2, and ALT3? I would like to see the readable prose in the lead tightened up a bit, but this is not a requirement for DYK, but I do find the lead section less than ideal for general readers per my comments up above. Viriditas (talk) 21:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Sorry, everyone, I tried to close the deal, but with nobody responding or too busy, I’m afraid my time has run out. I’m going on vacation for the next month. I will put in a request for a second look on the main page. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 05:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  The lede has been replaced. I hope someone picks this up for review! Renerpho (talk) 07:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Renerpho: Lede's fine for DYK, you'll want to expand it for GA. (WP:LEADLENGTH is as useless as a chocolate teapot but my personal rule of thumb is about one sentence per paragraph.) Not sure I like any of the hooks (WP:DYKDEFINITE doesn't like 'current'/'either'/'might'); I propose ALT4: ... that J1407b caused a series of significant dimming events between 7 April and 4 June 2007?--Launchballer 09:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nrco0e: Thought Renerpho was the nominator.--Launchballer 09:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Roy Applequist

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• ... that Roy Applequist worked in his father's farm equipment business before founding his own? Source: "Roy Applequist". Kansas Business Hall of Fame. 2010. Retrieved 2024-07-28.
  • ALT1: ... that Roy Applequist is in the Kansas Business Hall of Fame? Source: "Roy Applequist". Kansas Business Hall of Fame. 2010. Retrieved 2024-07-28.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ecco2K
  • Comment: Thanks for the review!

Created by Bsoyka (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC).

• alt1 is rejected for being unintersting (a lot of people on the list, and someone who doesn't know about it would not care). original hook is . ltbdl☃ (talk) 06:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

  ltbdl, Could you explain how the original hook is interesting per WP:DYKINT? I would have assumed that a person starting a farm equipment business would have prior experience in the farm equipment industry. (The lack of such a experience would be a interesting hook) Sohom (talk) 03:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  ok, i'm starting to have my doubts. maybe an alt about how he founded two farm equipment companies? ltbdl☃ (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe something like:

  ALT 2: ... that Roy Applequist received the No-Till Innovator Award for working on a new kind of seed drill?

  per [6] -- Sohom (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  also not very interesting... ltbdl☃ (talk) 17:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Bsoyka and ltbdl: I'm not sure the article should be primarily based on Applequist Manufacturng and the Kansas Business Hall of Fame, the latter of which doesn't seem to meet the standard definition of an RS. Can other sources be found? If not, I'm not sure the article passes WP:GNG. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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Auckland Central in the 2020 New Zealand general election

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• ... that Chlöe Swarbrick won the race for Auckland Central in the 2020 New Zealand general election, the first time a Green candidate had won an electorate without major party endorsement?

• Source: "The Green MP was still pinching herself today after claiming her party's second-ever electorate seat and the first without a major party endorsement." link

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Created by TheLoyalOrder (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TheLoyalOrder (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC).

• Reviewing this. On first look, the "Declined" section has to have a ref. I suppose the "Declared" section does not need a separate ref as those are the same people in the "Results" section but other people may think otherwise. In the "Background" section, the background ref has to have a ref on electoral system. Full review to come later. Howard the Duck (talk) 04:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Kia ora, I have done the things in this comment.TheLoyalOrder (talk) 09:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately, due to unforeseen personal circumstances, I won't be able to continue the review. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
      • Hi, I'd be interested in taking over this review if needed @Howard the Duck:. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
        • Sure, no worries! Howard the Duck (talk) 11:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Full review needed; Ornithoptera, are you still interested in doing one? BlueMoonset (talk) 10:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Hi, my apologies BlueMoonset, been away from Wiki a bit due to a loss in the family. Since things have winded down, I'll try and look at the article later this week. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera: This is the second oldest fully unreviewed nom and I unexpectedly need a second QPQ (ironically for Gigi Perez, who went viral for a song about her late sister!). Do you still plan on reviewing this or should I take over, probably tomorrow?--Launchballer 14:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer, it seems like you needed a second QPQ so you're more than welcome to take over, my apologies for the delay. The loss in the family has affected a lot of my concentration more than I would have expected as of late. Cheers Ornithoptera (talk) 21:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@TheLoyalOrder: I've tried to review this a few times, but I can't get past the fact that the Background section goes into way too much detail for a daughter article (to give one example out of several, content about the electorate should be at Auckland Central). Please cut this right down. When you've done that, I'll try again.--Launchballer 10:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

@TheLoyalOrder: Please address the above.--Launchballer 10:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1

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• ... that Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1, a manuscript of the New Testament, was marked with red chalk for it to be used as a page-template for the first published printed edition of the New Testament?

• Source: Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose; Edward Miller (1894). A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament. Vol. 1 (4th ed.). London: George Bell & Sons. p. 191.

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Improved to Good Article status by Stephen Walch (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Stephen Walch (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC).

• The hook as currently written may be too specialist for general readers; as in, it may be hard to understand for those unfamiliar with the relevant fields (in this case, Biblical studies). The hook fact itself might still have potential, it's just that the hook probably needs rephrasing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  How about:

that a manuscript of the New Testament called Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1, was used as a page-template for the first published printed edition of the New Testament by its editor, Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus?

Or:

that Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus used Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1 as a page template for his first published printed edition of the New Testament, marking it with red chalk?

Want to try and get a mention of the red-chalk marks in if possible :D Stephen Walch (talk) 14:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I still think the hook is rather specialist or too reliant on being familiar with Biblical studies. I'm not sure who else to ask for help with, so I'll see if I can ask for help over at WT:DYK regarding a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I cannot grasp the importance of the red chalk from either the hook or the article. From the article, red chalk was used to mark changes, by one or more people. What makes this so unusual that it is worth mentioning in the hook? Did texts not often get changes, or is there something unusual about the material? CMD (talk) 10:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@User:Chipmunkdavis - Ancient manuscripts aren't usually written on or marked up by anyone these days: the idea that someone would mark or deface an artefact fills most modern people with dread; that a written manuscript of the NT was, to quote Scrivener, "barbarously scored with red chalk" is quite telling of this even from the 19th century. The MS and how it was used is also very important in the history of printed books, as this was the manuscript used for the first ever published printed Greek NT. Evidently I need to think of a how to word the hook to get this across. :) Stephen Walch (talk) 14:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Stephen Walch: Heads up, "New Testament" is a WP:COMMONTERM, so you could probably get away with starting ALT0 at "a manuscript of the New Testament". I'd also lose everything after "template" for interest purposes and replace "it to be used as a page-" with "use as a" for concision. This should simplify the hook somewhat and give you some room to put a quote in there.--Launchballer 11:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer:: thanks very much for the suggested improvements. How about then:

• ...that a manuscript of the New Testament was "barbarous scored with red chalk" when used as a page-template for the first published printed edition of the New Testament?
• Source: Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose; Edward Miller (1894). A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament. Vol. 1 (4th ed.). London: George Bell & Sons. p. 191.

Think that works as a decent hook? :) Stephen Walch (talk) 19:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

It's better, but I think it's recursive to include "New Testament" twice and that the hook would be more interesting if it left off what it was being used for.--Launchballer 20:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

How about therefore:

• ...that a manuscript of the New Testament was "barbarously scored with red chalk" in the 15th century by a book publisher? (include source here etc.)

Any better @Launchballer:? Stephen Walch (talk) 20:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd leave out "in the 15th century" as it's interesting with or without the date, but I'll let a promoter make that decision. This hasn't had an actual review yet, so I'll give it one now; this is long enough, new enough. QPQ unnecessary and Earwig has no complaints. I see no reason why this might deserve a dispute tag. Just a couple of things; single-sentence paragraphs are discouraged by MOS:PARA (which is part of MOS:LAYOUT and should have been assessed as part of the GA review!) and I think these should be knocked together, and external links should not be used in the body of the article per WP:EL and I think these should be removed.--Launchballer 10:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Kayangan Lake

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• ... that Kayangan Lake, located in Coron Island, is regarded as the cleanest lake in Asia?

• Source: [7] [8]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oedipus (opera)
• Comment: Gained permission to nom this by DarkNight0917.

Created by DarkNight0917 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC).

• I will do a full review of this later, but for now my main concern is the hook. The claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, so per WP:DYKHOOK and WP:EXCEPTIONAL would require exceptional sourcing. Right now the article uses The Straits Times as the source for the fact: it is yellow on WP:RSP, which generally means it is to be used with caution on Wikipedia, and its suitability is a case-by-case thing. In this case, it may not be completely safe for it to be what supports the source. Either more independent or stronger sourcing should be found, or a different hook be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, propose this one: ALT1:... that a tribe performed rituals in a lake to let outsiders use it? Source:TST this hook uses the Straits times, let me know if it's okay or not. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1 should be okay as the article isn't about the Singaporean government and there's no reason to doubt that the ST is unreliable in this case. The main issue right now is that part of the article appears to be a close paraphrase of the Straits Times article, so that needs urgent attention. The sourcing in the article isn't the best since it seems to rely on tourist guide websites, but for the purpose of the article it probably isn't disqualifying since they aren't used to support contentious information. As for the rest of the DYK checks, the article is new enough and long enough and a QPQ has been provided. In addition for the need to resolve the close paraphrasing, the article could also use a copyedit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

One final suggestion: as the claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, and I do not believe that the sources provided are exceptional sources, my suggestion would be to make the statement in the article less definitive. Something like "The Straits Times stated that the lake is reputed..." or wording to that effect. Maybe Launchballer can help out here with the wording and copyediting? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

A possible alternate wording of ALT1, if for whatever reason it does not pass scrutiny, could be something like:

ALT3 ... that prior to allowing outsiders to visit Kayangan Lake, the Tagbanwa tribe performed a ritual to seek permission from nature spirits?

It's much longer than ALT2 and I think ALT2 is still suitable, this is just a backup option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I will take a look at this when I'm done with Talk:Megan Barton-Hanson/GA1, and I'll get to that when I'm feeling a little more clear-headed. (There's clearly something big there I'm not seeing.)--Launchballer 13:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I am really not liking some of the sources used in this article - Journey Era, Philippinetravels.ph, and Richandsunnytravels.ph are all WP:SPS blogs and Guidetothephilippines.ph is a travel agency. What makes them reliable?--Launchballer 14:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

They're travel websites that give information about the subject. They aren't ideal, but it's often the case that coverage about less well-known Philippine destinations are lacking. As long as they aren't being used to support contentious information, as in what they're saying is uncontroversial and unlikely to be made up, I don't necessarily see them as a problem for DYK purposes. This isn't aiming for FA or even GA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Having said that, the claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, and I'm not comfortable with how it is currently presented as a fact in the article. As stated above, my suggestion would be for it to be attributed to the Straits Times, while also making the presentation less definite. If this isn't addressed, I can't see this article running on DYK since that statement will likely be challenged at WT:DYK and/or WP:ERRORS. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer: Please address the concerns raised above; the nomination may be marked for closure if they are not resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Done, added note. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 13:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, but the attribution to The Straits Times has to be in-text and not a footnote. So the article should say something like "A The Straits Times article called the lake the cleanest in Asia." or something like that, and even, I'm not even sure if the claim would meet scrutiny to other editors. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer and Narutolovehinata5: "Asia's cleanest lake" is a scientific claim, and not one The Straits Times is qualified to make. What even defines "cleanest"? "widely regarded" by scientists, or average people, or who? Hook currently fails verification. Also, are the travel blogs reliable sources? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see this came up earlier. Launchballer seems to be right under WP:DYKG, which says that all sources cited need to meet a minimum standard of reliability (i.e. can't be self-published). theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note that TLC has removed the "cleanest lake in Asia" claim from the article. However, the issues with sourcing remain. If this isn't resolved soon, the nomination will probably have to be failed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Oxford zero emission zone

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• ... that buses in Oxford accounted for as much as 80% of pollution in the city centre before the low emission zone was launched in 2014?

• Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25557090 "The LEZ [low emission zone] will only apply to buses which account for up 80% of the pollution in the city centre"

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• Comment: Should be good as this article is just above 1500 characters. My third article.

Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

JuniperChill (talk) 08:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, but there was an excellent piece in Roads.org.uk that talks about this. I'll leave it to you to decide whether he constitutes an WP:EXPERTSPS or not.--Launchballer 09:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Ah yes, I never thought about reading that article. It's very useful for readers. I have heard of roads.org.uk but never thought about them publishing a ZEZ article. JuniperChill (talk) 11:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

You might want to do something about the unsourced content in this. (I don't plan on reviewing this any time soon as I review oldest first, but I might pop in and expand it once I've finished the stuff on my to-do list.)--Launchballer 12:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@JuniperChill: Not a full review, but I have tagged the article with two "citation needed" tags. These need to be resolved before this nomination can be approved. Z1720 (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: I added two references to replace the {{cn}}. Should be good JuniperChill (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• I have modified the hook for what happened after buses accounted for up to 80%. JuniperChill (talk) 15:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

This needs a reviewer to look at all the criteria. Z1720 (talk) 11:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@JuniperChill: Was about to review, however I see that the phrase "nine streets in Oxford" is in the lead but not in the body and sourced nowhere. This should be rectified.--Launchballer 18:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Done with the citations. However, the "nine streets" already appeared on both the lead and the body. diff JuniperChill (talk) 22:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. (You can actually remove the ref from the lead if you like, since it isn't actually necessary.) I will review this in the morning.--Launchballer 22:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough, QPQ unnecessary. Earwig's down, so will assess that when it's up, though I'm not seeing a need for any other dispute tags. The article's hook isn't directly relevant to the zero-emission zone and I think a new hook should be proposed.--Launchballer 10:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

How about Alt1: "that Oxford's zero emission zone has faced a hypocrisy claim and been known to some as the congestion charge as non-electric vehicles can enter on payment?" JuniperChill (talk) 11:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I would question the WP:NPOVness of that hook, given that the source cites three people, two for and one against. I'm not even sure I'd have it in the article.--Launchballer 22:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Is there a reference for it being the UK's first zero emission zone?--Launchballer 10:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Asik-Asik Falls

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Asik-Asik Falls

• ... that the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) were accidentally discovered?

• Source: INQUIRER

• ALT1: ... that the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) became viral after its discovery? Source: INQUIRER-2
• ALT2: ... that a picture of the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) won a picture contest? Source: INQUIRER-2
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kimi wa Bara yori Utsukushī
• Comment: Accepted by the author.

Created by DarkNight0917 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 09:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC).

• Here are some more alt hooks:
  • ALT3: ... that you can't see what feeds the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured)? Source: INQUIRER-2
  • ALT4: ... the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) aren't fed by a visible source? Source: INQUIRER-2

These are kind of what the falls are really known for, so I think that these would be more interesting. - DarkNight0917 (talk / contr) 23:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

new enough, long enough, image is fine, qpq done. some concerns:

• on the verge of rejecting alt0; to discover something, by definition, has to be an accident.

• rejecting alt1; not mentioned in article. also, readers won't know what it means for a waterfall to go viral. it was an image of the falls that went viral, and that's uninteresting, a lot of things go viral.

• rejecting alt2; uninteresting (and probably undue to mention in the article).

• alt3/4's source says that Where the water comes from is still a mystery. it's not visible, yes, but it's also not known, unless there's something i'm missing.

• refs 2, 3, and 7 are travel guides/blogs; are these reliable?

• It receives over 500 tourists on weekdays and 1,000 on weekends is cited to a 2014 source and probably outdated

ltbdl☃ (talk) 07:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Don't know what's wrong with alt3 and 4, the blogs are reliable since these are usually for expansion and regularly do no harm in DYK. Fixed the outdated thing by adding a note. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 13:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer: regularly do no harm? do you have examples? ltbdl☃ (talk) 17:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer: If the article cites blogs with no kind of peer review or editorial process, ltbdl is right that those should be removed before appearing at DYK. Could that be addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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Laurence Patrick Lee

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• ... that New Zealand mathematician Laurence Patrick Lee worked his way to England to find a cure for his stammer and was speaking normally after just 18 minutes of instruction?

• Source: "N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British 'Expert' ", Greymouth Evening Star, 11 Dec 1950, [N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT], "When Mr L. P. Lee [...] read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year's leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England. ¶ Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally. ¶ Recorded Proof ¶ Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering.

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• Comment: Alternate hooks could talk about his map projections (and could include map pictures, if a picture is needed), but this story seemed like a better human interest hook.

Created by Jacobolus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

–jacobolus (t) 00:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC).

Length, history and reference verified. Earwig looks OK even though I couldn't use Google because it said we had sent too many queries to it.
However ... the end of one graf was uncited, and so I have tagged it. It should be easy to fix. Daniel Case (talk) 19:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I added some examples of other high impact books/papers which have cited and discussed Lee's paper (the claim in the article was that it was influential). –jacobolus (t) 19:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Daniel Case, have the issues been addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. All but one of those sources are paywalled from where I am, but since the one that isn't describes the cited paper as "well-known", we'll take your word for it. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I could go either way on this, but anyone else a little uncomfortable with sourcing a medical story claim to a 1950 newspaper? It's not a MEDRS claim, but it's not an uncontroversial one, either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

The article says that he continued to work with the specialist for weeks, which seems to contradict the hook? Looking around online for sources about quickly curing a stammer, I found "There is no instant cure for stuttering., contrary to popular belief, there isn't a permanent fix to overcoming a stammer, and therapies and courses are not a cure or a 'quick fix' for stammering. Open to alternative hooks or being proven wrong, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 15:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC) Forgot to ping jacobolus, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe you can think of a better phrasing for a hook (or we could come up with an alternate hook not having to do with the stammer). The claim from the news article is that Kerr recorded Lee saying the date and time when he first arrived, stammering, and then 18 minutes later took another recording of him saying the date and time, not stammering – i.e. just saying one simple sentence, not an ability to fluently speak without stammering. (The news article author presumably listened to this recording.) Then he stayed for another few weeks with Kerr to work on it, and by the time he left he considered himself cured with only a slight occasional stammer remaining. I don't think the claimed "cure" here was ever perfect, but Kerr really did have a stammering clinic in Jersey for decades, apparently with significant success, with people coming from all over the world to work with him. After 1955 Kerr's clinic was hosted in this funny boat-shaped building in Jersey called "Barge Aground", which can nowadays be rented by tourists. There are a couple of pictures of Kerr here, and some other patients. –jacobolus (t) 18:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Here's the full news article:

N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British “Expert”
[N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT]
LONDON, December 10 (Rec. 9 a.m.).—When Mr L. P. Lee, of 195 The Terrace, Wellington, read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year’s leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England.

Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally.

Recorded Proof
Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering.

Lee stayed with Mr Kerr for a fortnight and when he returned to London his brother Mr M. G. Lee, who is teaching at a college and who had been most sceptical was “astounded” at the change.

Mr L. P. Lee told the Press Association: “I am thoroughly happy about the cure. I know that whenever I want to I can speak normally and I could even make a public speech now.” Only a slight occasional stammer is noticeable -in his speech and he counted rapidly up to 20.

Discovery Made
Mr Kerr said: “When I was a student at Glasgow University 16 years ago I had. to write a thesis on philosophy. In doing so I came across a psychological discovery. From this I discovered the cause and then the cure of stammering.”

“Its taken me a long time and I’ve had to contend with a good deal of scepticism and' opposition. But I’ve had 90 per cent success with 50 cases. I’m not a doctor but I believe I have a mission and I am making this my life’s work. I charge a fee which I shall reduce as I get more patients,” stated Mr Kerr.

–jacobolus (t) 18:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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Liberalism in the Philippines

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• ... that liberalism in the Philippines was mostly used during revolutions?

• Source: 1, 2

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Begüm Pusat

Converted from a redirect by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC).

• @TheNuggeteer: There are multiple {{page needed}} tags on this article. Please rectify them.--Launchballer 23:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Done. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 00:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. QPQ done. Earwig highlights a couple of phrases, but I can't think of another way of wording them so calling WP:LIMITED. I think the {{improve categories}} template should be resolved. Could you talk me through the sourcing for the hook?--Launchballer 23:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed the improve categories tag, what do you need? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing where in the article the hook is spelt out, unless I'm going blind.--Launchballer 09:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

The Philippine revolution and martial law, which both signify the ideology was used in revolutions. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

that's not "mostly". ltbdl☃ (talk) 05:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

The hook reads as quite unspecific and vague, the meaning is not clear to a reader with no background. It would be better to have a more specific and concrete fact. CMD (talk) 08:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Another hook: ALT1: ...that the first liberalist party in the Philippines ended from government suppression? SRC 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Better, but you'd need an end-of-sentence citation for that party being the first.--Launchballer 10:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The fact that the Comite de Reformadores was the first liberalist party needs an end-of-sentence citation. See that link for what that means.--Launchballer 11:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The sentence uses the same citation as the rest, but added just in case. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Let's roll.--Launchballer 11:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Sienna Green

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• ... that at 193 centimetres (6 ft 4 in) tall, Australian Olympic water polo player Sienna Green is the tallest person in her family?

• Source: "at 6-4, she is the tallest person in her family"

• Reviewed: National Hospital Service Reserve
• Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor who will (as usual) provide the QPQ.

5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk) and 2603:7000:2101:AA00:5DFC:4931:AA8F:8FB5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 155 past nominations.

Schwede66 11:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC).

• Update: QPQ now added (just so that it doesn't get overlooked). Schwede66 23:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Any better hook than this? Being that tall isn't always uncommon depending on where you're from. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Pinging for possible additional hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I can't see a better hook than that. If we don't hear from 2603:7000:2101:AA00:5DFC:4931:AA8F:8FB5 within a few days, I suggest you close that. Schwede66 00:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

With no response from the IP and Schwede66 being open to a closure, it unfortunately seems that the article is not a good fit for DYK at this time given the lack of hooky material. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll give it some thought. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D919:443A:176C:AE5B (talk) 07:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• I've been musing about the concern that "Being that tall isn't always uncommon depending on where you're from." So I thought I would check.

While I'm not sure what "uncommon" is meant to be in that comment, this site indicates that a 6' 4" woman in Australia would be in the "Extremely Tall 99.999 Percentile". (By way of comparison, our article (for what it is worth) suggests that the average Australian woman 18+ a dozen years ago was a foot or so shorter[9] (N.B. - it also indicates that Australian women are among the tallest 20% in the world).)

She's also 19. Of US women at that age (wrong country, but according to our article, US women are a bit taller than Australian women), that would put her in the 99.9% percentile.

Not that we need more. But the hook does not simply reflect her height - which does given the above appear to be very much uncommon. But points to the fact that she is the tallest in her family. Lmk if you want me to look for evidence that it is, in addition, not common for a 19 year old girl to be the tallest in her family. There are studies that touch on the issue of a child's height relating to the parents' height, as well as there being a marked sex difference in height with women tending to be shorter than men,[10] but I haven't taken the time to find the best one, as I suspect what I've detailed may perhaps suffice.

All-in-all, I think that the assumption that led to the hook being rejected isn't in line with the evidence. Many thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F804:C954:1D4C:5D11 (talk) 03:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The issue is that simply being the tallest in one's family is not by itself a hooky fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Of course it is not. But that ignores your original complaint above - which is what I've addressed directly above. You wrote: "Being that tall isn't always uncommon". I tend to think that being in the 99.999 percentile might, just perhaps, qualify as uncommon.

And, of course, the hook speaks to that fact, as well as the fact that she is the tallest in her family... it's clearly not, as you now suggest, only about her being the tallest in her family. I'm a but confused by your most recent comment. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A13D:8F1E:26A2:8F66 (talk) 05:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Pinging User:Narutolovehinata5.2603:7000:2101:AA00:571:B2E5:C31C:BA89 (talk) 21:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I really don't think a "tallest person in her family" angle regardless of context is the best option here unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks. Up above, you gave as your rationale: "Being that tall isn't always uncommon ..." I've shown that to be untrue. As being in the in the 99.999 percentile is in fact uncommon. And on top of that - making the uncommonness even greater -- it is a girl who is the tallest in her family. Your response now - which remains the same even though your rationale was shown to not reflect reality - strikes me as perhaps a bit of IDONTLIKEIT. I wonder if perhaps we could call in another editor for their view? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:571:B2E5:C31C:BA89 (talk) 02:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

It is not based on IDONTLIKE it; rather, it is based on WP:DYKINT. Being the tallest in one's family may be a conversation starter, but it's not really hooky in the grand scheme of things, at least for Wikipedia purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Thanks for pointing to DYKINT. Because as DYKINT clearly states: "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." This fits. It's so unusual in fact - contrary to your initial incorrect assertion, which was the basis for your denial at the top of the page -- that fewer than 99.999% do not fit into her category. That's extraordinarily unusual, by any measure. Both because your reason for rejection at the top of the page is without basis, and because DYKINT calls for a hook that is likelyt to be perceived as unusual which this woman clearly is, can you please invite another editor to review this? Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:571:B2E5:C31C:BA89 (talk) 03:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Suggested althooks:
ALT1: ...that Sienna Green, her brother, mother, and father have all competitively played water polo?
ALT2: ...that Sienna Green began playing water polo because she saw it as a combination of basketball and swimming, her favourite sports?
Sienna Green might be a very leggy woman but I think it's best to focus on the sport she plays. Bremps... 06:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 would actually be a better option than the height angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm fine with whatever hook the consensus supports. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:7C63:6AF8:15B6:1F0C (talk) 21:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

CyberJoly Drim

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• ... that an early Polish cyberpunk short story, "CyberJoly Drim" from 1998, aroused a significant controversy in the Polish science fiction and fantasy community? Source: https://ejournals.eu/pliki_artykulu_czasopisma/pelny_tekst/3d32c44d-af77-4c7d-9404-a10a190a3a2c/pobierz
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Samsung and unions

Created by Piotrus (talk) and Asilvering (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 516 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC).

• @Piotrus: You probably noticed by now I've rearranged the article so it's a bit more chronological. I've moved the publication dates out of the lead and into the body; these could probably cite the work itself but given what happened recently at Ácido Argentino I think it would be better if they were sourced. When this is done, I will review this.--Launchballer 11:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Should probably ping @Asilvering: just in case.--Launchballer 23:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: I've added a cite to the single sentence which did not have it (after your c/e). Do let me know if anything else needs a cite. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:47, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig has no complaints. I see no reason why this might deserve a dispute tag. The hook is cited, interesting, and technically short enough, though is cruising for a pruning. If you're alright with the WP:DYKTRIMmed hook ALT0a: ... that the 1998 cyberpunk short story CyberJoly Drim caused a controversy in the Polish science fiction and fantasy community?, I'll approve this.--Launchballer 11:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Allison Reese

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• ... that Allison Reese has been called "better at Kamala than Kamala is"? Source: Holtermann, Callie (2024-07-22). "A Kamala Harris Impersonator Is Ready for Her Moment". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2024-08-04. "You're better at Kamala than Kamala is," a commenter wrote on one of her videos.
  • ALT1: ... that comedian Allison Reese came out to her parents through a group text message? Source: Rodriguez, Alexander (2023-11-19). "Allison Reese is a Comedic Star on the Rise". Metrosource. ISSN 1529-935X. Retrieved 2024-08-04. So, I just sent a group text. I was just like, "Hey, think I'm gay. That cool?" Several minutes went by and I was like, oh God. And my dad finally responded, "Yep, you're good." And that's truly it. And my mom called and was like, "Hey, I know you're doing comedy. Is that like a joke?" I was like, no, it's real. And she's like, "Okay!"
  • ALT2: ... that Allison Reese has received millions of views on social media for her impressions of Kamala Harris? Source: Burnett, Erin (2024-08-03). "Meet comedian who went viral for her impression of Kamala Harris". Erin Burnett OutFront (Television production). CNN. 0:22. Retrieved 2024-08-04. Her impressions of Harris have lit up social media, a few getting millions of views.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alex Thach
  • Comment: Thanks for reviewing! Definitely open to more hooks here, but I think ALT0 is the most intriguing one I can make.

Moved to mainspace by Bsoyka (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

Bsoyka (t • c • g) 03:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - If ALT1 is approved, then reference [1] needs to be repeated directly after the sentence "Soon after this, at the age of 22, she came out as a lesbian through a group text message to her parents, who were both supportive of her sexuality." This is necessary per WP:DYKHFC, which says "The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear."

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Bsoyka Nice work on this article. I think ALT0 is the most interesting as well, but ALT1 might also work. I'm not sure about ALT2, since many influencers get millions of views for whatever it is that they're known for. Epicgenius (talk) 19:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bsoyka, Epicgenius, and Kimikel: Just noting that I have pulled this from prep 1 as there is already a Kamala hook in queue 7 and there's another in a later prep. I have not in any way assessed the article.--Launchballer 14:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Statue of Yakushi Nyorai (Jingo-ji)

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Principal image of Yakushi Nyorai of Jingo-ji, Kyoto

• ... that an 8th-century wood sculpture of the Medicine Buddha never left its temple grounds until July 2024?

• Source: https://tsumugu.yomiuri.co.jp/en/feature/jingoji-tokyo-national-museum-press-con/

• ALT1: ... that to commemorate the founding of Shingon Buddhism, an image of Bhaisajyaguru, the Medicine Buddha, left its temple for the first time in over 1200 years to be on special exhibit? Source: https://www.tnm.jp/modules/r_free_page/index.php?id=2649
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Perugia's limia

Created by NeverBeGameOver (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

NeverBeGameOver (talk) 14:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, but the hook would be better if was truncated at 'July 2024' per WP:DYKTRIM.--Launchballer 00:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Article is long enough and moved to mainspace one week before DYK nom. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and copyvio free. ALT0 is sourced and interesting; I truncated it per Launchballer's recommendation. No qpq needed. Approving ALT0, thank you for your nomination NeverBeGameOver! Kimikel (talk) 01:59, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Midland Main Line upgrade

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• ... that the electrification of the Midland Main Line north of Kettering was revived in December 2021 after being paused in 2015, then scrapped in July 2017?

• Source: paused scrapped in 2017, then revived

• ALT1: ... that the Midland Main Line electrification project is going at a "snail's pace"? Source: https://westbridgfordwire.com/midland-mainline-electrification-by-2030-in-government-plans/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Azahriah
• Comment: My fifth nomination and I need a QPQ for the first time. Luckily, I did that a few months ago. Also, my first GA article, though I didn't make that

Improved to Good Article status by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

JuniperChill (talk) 20:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC).

• What's surprising or interesting about this hook? "Infrastructure project delayed" is not surprising anywhere in the world, especially an Anglophone country. (t · c) buidhe 04:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Hopefully this is more interesting, but idk if the wording is the best.

• • • ALT2: "that when the Midland Main Line was first electrified in the 1980s between London and Bedford, driver-only operation was introduced, leading to industrial dispute?" JuniperChill (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
      • Drive-by ALT3: ... that although the electrification of the Midland Main Line was designated high priority in 1981, work to electrify the northern part of the line did not begin until over 30 years later? Kimikel (talk) 02:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
        • @Kimikel: Remember that the section of the MML south of Bedford was electrified in the 80s. However, north of Bedford, it remained unelectrified until 2019, and it only extends to just south of Leicester, formerly Kettering until July 2024. So maybe adding "north of Bedford" would make more sense. JuniperChill (talk) 10:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
          • Thanks for the correction, just clarified. Kimikel (talk) 21:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

 Reviewing... Starting a review. Flibirigit (talk) 01:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - ?
• Neutral: - ?
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - ?

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ?
• Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: The article passed GA status on August 5, and nominated the next day for DYK. Length is adequate. Sourcing needs improvement. I have added multiple citation needed tags where the source is unclear. There are WP:CLOP issues with here because the Wikipedia does not attribute the direct quote as per the original source. Both images used in the article are freely licensed on the Commons. A complete QPQ has not been done. The reviewer only commented on dates and hooks, and did not appear to check any of the other DYK policies. Please see WP:QPQ for details. I am still analyzing the article for neutrality and the hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 01:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC) Flibirigit (talk) 01:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I question the neutrality of this article due to extensive use of quotes in the "21st century proposals" section. Why are the comments by "Ryan Scott" importaant, and is he even notable? If not, please paraphrase. The quotes by Patrick McLoughlin are not properly attributed, and I queestion whether they can be paraphrased instead. This also would also benefit from the use of the {{convert}} template for measurements. Articles should be readable by persons not familiar with British units. I'm still contemplating the hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 01:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I have struck ALT0 for being boring and mundane. As noted by User:buidhe, it is not uncommon for large infastructure projects to be delayed. I have struck ALT1 for presenting a quote by a "council leader" as a fact. Any such quirky quotes must be clearly identified as a quote, never as a fact, and be properly attributed and cited in the nominated article. I'm still pondering the other two ALTs. Will comment further tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 01:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 and ALT3 both have potential to be interesting hooks. ALT2 should be slightly reworded to avoid WP:SEAOFBLUE by consecutive wikilinks. ALT2 claims "leading to industrial dispute", whereas the text in the article states "subject of an industrial dispute". There is a difference here in causality, and the source is only available to those logged into the host site. Please clarify and make consistent. The first half of ALT3 is easily verifiable, but I am unsure where the source is located for "work to electrify the northern part of the line did not begin until over 30 years later". Please clarify and cite the source. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 00:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Clay Webb

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• ... that Clay Webb was named in a lawsuit concerning bullying that occurred when he was in high school?

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• ALT1: ... that Clay Webb once allegedly encouraged a minor to drink a bottle filled with Webb's semen? Source:
• Reviewed:
• Comment: I think the secondary hook grabs your attention more, but I can understand if it is denied because of the vulgar nature concerning it.

Created by TarheelBornBred (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TarheelBornBred (talk) 13:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC).

• ALT1 definitely breaches WP:DYKHOOKBLP, probably ALT0 also, and I'd question the WP:DUEness of that entire section per WP:SUSPECT.--Launchballer 22:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@TarheelBornBred: This needs a new hook.--Launchballer 22:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Maybe ALT2: ... that Clay Webb, a five-star recruit from the class of 2019, was named a preseason All-American in 2024? The interesting nature being that it took him from 2019 to 2024 which is an abnormally long stretch of time in college football already. Truthfully, I had the original hook in mind as the main selling point, but I can understand why it won't work. TarheelBornBred (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@TarheelBornBred: More of a comment for now rather than a review, but the issue with ALT2 is that it might not meet WP:DYKINT. A reader unfamiliar with college football and its intricacies may not get what "five-star recruit" and "All-American" are, especially if they are outside of America like the majority of readers. Ideally, a hook should be as understandable to as many people as possible without requiring too much context, and I don't think the hook meets that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Note that I have struck the original hook as the parts about the bullying are no longer in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@TarheelBornBred: Please address the above.--Launchballer 20:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, this totally slipped my mind. Maybe to make it more understandable to readers unfamiliar with college football, the hook could be ALT 3: ...that Clay Webb, a top recruit for the college football class of 2019, was named a preseason candidate for a team of the best college football players in 2024? In my opinion this hook sounds a little more clear to those who might not understand college football. TarheelBornBred (talk) 23:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC).

It's more understandable, but probably still too technical for general readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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Articles created/expanded on August 7

AMES Type 6

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AMES Type 6 lightweight radar set

• ... that during the Tunisian campaign in WWII, crews carried an AMES Type 6 radar set across a swamp to allow them to spy on Luftwaffe aircraft running supplies into Tunis? Source: RAF 2023
  • Reviewed: Dani Sanchez-Lopez

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 200 past nominations.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC).

• @Maury Markowitz: Please contribute a QPQ, or this nomination may be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 14:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• A week after this nomination was made, and a reminder ping, no QPQ was supplied. Marking this for closure as incomplete. Z1720 (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• I have been in the bush (literally) since Sunday. I will do this shortly. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Done. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Article was created same day as DYK nom and is long enough. Article is presentable, well-sourced and copyvio free. Hook is cited and interesting, QPQ is done. Approving this hook, thank you for your nomination Maury Markowitz! Kimikel (talk) 02:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 8

Valentin Bontus, Toni Vodišek

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• ... that Valentin Bontus is the first-ever Olympic champion in Formula Kite?

• Source: first-ever champion

• ALT1: ... that Valentin Bontus won the first-ever Olympic gold medal in Formula Kite, while Toni Vodišek won the first silver? Source: same
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shoko Ikeda / Template:Did you know nominations/William Aitken (architect) (1/4)
• Comment: ALT1 includes Toni Vodisek, the silver medalist, which I will expand soon.

Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 233 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC).

• @BeanieFan11: Two QPQs are required: please provide these as soon as possible. You also have a lot of nominations that need QPQs: this discussion is proposing that nominators be required to provide the QPQ at the time of the nomination. If this passes, it might cause your future nominations to be rejected if the QPQ is not provided when the nom is created. I suggest that you review DYK noms now, instead of creating even more nominations, so that none of your nominations are closed as incomplete. Z1720 (talk) 23:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Sigh... have one done, will do the other and expand Vodisek tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
    • QPQ 2 done / Vodisek expanded. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Full review needed now that QPQs have been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Articles are long enough and both created 7 days before DYK nom. Both are well-cited, presentable, and copyvio free. Hook is cited and interesting. QPQs are both done. Approving ALT1 since it contains both pages, thank you for your nomination BeanieFan11! Kimikel (talk) 03:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Punam Krishan

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Krishan in 2021

• ... that following a string of scandals, the contestants on the twenty second series of the BBC One celebrity dancing competition Strictly Come Dancing included a locum GP (pictured)? Source: https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/regulation/new-sessionals-welcome-on-board/ for 'locum'; https://news.sky.com/story/strictly-come-dancing-2024-go-compare-singer-wynne-evans-joins-line-up-13191912 for everything else
  • ALT1: ... that Dr Punam Krishan (pictured) "learned the hard way to live without patient ‘satisfaction’"? Source: https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/regulation/ive-learned-the-hard-way-to-live-without-patient-satisfaction/
    • ALT1a: ... that Dr Punam Krishan (pictured) "learned the hard way to live without patient 'satisfaction'"?
  • ALT2: ... that Dr Punam Krishan (pictured) was raised on curry and Irn-Bru? Source: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17800808.dr-punam-krishan-reality-life-scottish-gp/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chand Sifarish
  • Comment: The contestants for this show are being drip-fed, so I may add articles to this if anyone else lacks an article. (Update August 12: Lineup complete. Shame actually, there were rumours that Sunil Patel might have participated and he's a cryptoentrepreneur.) I'd suggest running this on the day the series starts, probably the 21st of September. (Update 30 August: 14th September, as they're running a special programme at the end of the series.)

Created by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 243 past nominations.

Launchballer 11:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC).

• I didn't know what a "locum GP" is. Maybe that's a good thing, as it makes the first hook more "hooky". But can you clarify that in the lead of the article? Eg you can write "is a Scottish locum general practitioner (GP) from Glasgow." Also, in "Early life and medical career" please also clarify what's a "locum"? Might be helpful to link to Locum#United Kingdom healthcare.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
• We have a (somewhat execrable) article about what locum GPs are at sessional GP, a term I've never heard of. I've made some edits to the article.--Launchballer 19:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
  • The original hook is problematic: there's an implied cause and effect—because of the scandals, they've brought in a locum GP—that is nothing of the sort. So I think the special occasion request will need to drop as well. You'll need to fix the single quote marks in ALT1; curly punctuation is against the MOS on Wikipedia. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Proposed ALT1a above. I'm guessing that "the Strictly Come Dancing contestant" would qualify for WP:DYKTRIM, right?--Launchballer 00:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 9

Ajah Pritchard-Lolo

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• ... that Ajah Pritchard-Lolo is Vanuatu's first Olympic weightlifter?

• Source: Vanuatu Daily Post says she's the first female weightlifter; however, as per Olympedia, the nation has never had a male weightlifter, thus she is the first regardless of gender

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cooper Mays

Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 236 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC).

• @BeanieFan11: Please provide a QPQ as, per the ongoing discussion, consensus is leaning towards making QPQs mandatory at the time of the nomination and noms without QPQs may be closed without warning. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:51, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Full review needed now that QPQ has been provided.--Launchballer 20:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: Long enough, new enough, QPQ done. Hook's short enough, cited, and interesting (though if I had my druthers we'd be calling the Vanuatu Daily Post out on its blatant sexism!). Forgive my ignorance, but both the article and source claim Ajay won three silver and a bronze and both say "Snatch, Clean & Jerk and total", even though these are three events. Do you mean "snatch, clean, jerk, and total" or something else? I see no further reason why this might deserve a maintenance template.--Launchballer 18:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

On a further look, I'm confused by this as well. There are three different events in weightlifting, the 'snatch', total, and the 'clean and jerk'; clean and jerk are not separate as far as I'm aware. We have an article on Weightlifting at the 2023 Pacific Games: it lists Pritchard-Lolo as having won medals in the three events – two silver (snatch, total) and a bronze (clean & jerk). Leaning towards changing it to that per this source from the competition. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Good idea.--Launchballer 11:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 10

Mokulubete Makatisi

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• ... that Mokulubete Makatisi placed eighth at the Commonwealth Games in the marathon while running in shoes she had never worn before?

• Source: Public Eye News ("Makatisi, 26, finished the race on position eight in the women’s commonwealth marathon last Saturday ... Makatisi’s mentor ... says his athlete has tried very hard despite the setback of having to run in new shoes which she began to use for the first time on the day of the race.")

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William Aitken (architect) (2/4)

Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 237 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC).

•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 15:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - "She competed in the Maputo All-Africa Games in 2011" doesn't seem to be supported by ref 1, so use ref 2 for that (go to statistics -> results -> 2011). Page says 1:09:45 but ref 6 says 1:09:44. No other issues though.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - Should clarify something like how late these shoes were and/or how much they're needed for running, but no other issues.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nom one week after creation and size 2330 B. Ref 4 ad 6 is broken, so I used [11] and [12]. @BeanieFan11: fix these issues and I'll approve. You may wanna update the article, but consider this optional. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Abortion in Africa, Abortion in Senegal, Abortion in Madagascar

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• ... that in Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?

• Source: [13] Eleven Sub-Saharan countries have passed reproductive health laws, and nine of them specify grounds for legal abortion (the exceptions are Senegal and Madagascar).

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Upper Skagit Indian Tribe, Template:Did you know nominations/Mama (My Chemical Romance song), Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Neary's
• Comment: I proposed an individual hook at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Abortion_in_Senegal, so cancel that one if this one is approved.

Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 17:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC).

• @Vigilantcosmicpenguin: The source specifies sub-Saharan Africa, so there could be theoretically countries in North Africa that have such laws which are not reflected and thus make the hook inadequate. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Right, thanks for pointing that out. I could just tweak the hook to specify Sub-Saharan Africa; I think it's still reasonable to link that to the article.
  • ... that in Sub-Saharan Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?
  • The article already specifies this, so it still passes that requirement. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 20:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: I'm planning on reviewing this when I'm not falling asleep, however I suspect that any hook saying that they haven't passed a reproductive health law yet could fall foul of WP:DYKDEFINITE as they could theoretically pass one at any minute. I think this should be futureproofed. Also, I'll be looking to run all three in one hook, so I have closed the individual nom.--Launchballer 23:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Human history

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• ... that the agricultural and industrial revolutions are key turning points in human history?

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• ALT1: ... that in early human history, humans migrated out of Africa and populated most of the Earth during the Last Ice Age? Source:
• ALT2: ... that for most of human history, children did not have access to public education? Source:
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Betty Hanley
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References

Sources

• Cajani, Luigi (2013). "Periodization". In Bentley, Jerry H. (ed.). The Oxford Handbook of World History. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-968606-3.
• Christian, David (2008). This Fleeting World: A Short History of Humanity. Berkshire Publishing. ISBN 978-1-933782-04-1.
• Christian, David, ed. (2015). Introducing World History, to 10,000 BCE. The Cambridge World History. Vol. 1. Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139194662. ISBN 978-0-521-76333-2. Archived from the original on 26 January 2023. Retrieved 26 January 2023.
• Pollack, Henry (2010). A World Without Ice. Penguin. ISBN 978-1-101-52485-5.
• Scott, William; Vare, Paul (2020). Learning, Environment and Sustainable Development: A History of Ideas. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-000-20802-3. Archived from the original on 10 December 2023. Retrieved 3 May 2023.

Improved to Good Article status by Phlsph7 (talk) and Cerebellum (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

Phlsph7 (talk) 11:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, but two friendly comments. First, Agricultural revolution in ALT0 is a disambiguation page (I'm guessing it refers to the First agricultural revolution, which redirects to Neolithic Revolution). Second, if it's possible to make a hook about life expectancy and/or child mortality, that could be a very interesting hook indeed—I know I found John Green's video "Most People Have Never Been 20" interesting. TompaDompa (talk) 12:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for pointing this out, I fixed the link. A hook on changes to life expectancy could be interesting. I think the article only covers this in the sentence Advances in medical science led to a sharp increase in global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000.[552], which does not give us much to work with. Maybe:

  ALT3: ... that in modern human history, advances in medical science helped raise global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000.

  Phlsph7 (talk) 12:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• I'm not a big fan of ALT2, which is rather anachronistic: for most of human history, children did not live in societies in which "public education" was a meaningful concept. Given the wide scope of this article, I think a hook that encompasses a broad timescale would make the most sense. – Joe (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  Many societies didn't really have public education so children didn't have access to it. Maybe you are concerned about something like the following: some readers may misconstrue the statement as implying that these societies did have public education but just not for most children. This is not what the hook says but it could happen. This problem could be solved by talking about formal education instead of public education but the claim in our article is about public education so this may not be acceptable according to the DYK rules. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  What I mean is that 'public education' to be a meaningful concept there first needs to exist the idea of a formal education and a state that provides public services, neither of which existed for "most of human history". In other words I think the hook anachronistically implies that children were missing out on something that was not even conceptualisable until recently. Kind of like saying "for most of human history, satellites did not use reusable launch vehicles". Technically true, but not very meaningful. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Can people miss out on something for which they lack the relevant concepts? For example, the ancient Egyptians didn't have the concept of antibiotics. Can we say that "the ancient Egyptians didn't have access to antibiotics"? To my ears, this sounds acceptable. But I'm also open to different ways of expressing the idea. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT3 is not very well sourced. It cites page 1 of The Twentieth Century: A World History, which doesn't cite any sources for these figures, and a textbook on marketing for the "due to advances in medical science" part, which also doesn't cite a source for this claim. Neither source make it clear what specific measure of life expectancy they're using, but it's probably life expectancy at birth, which was largely a function of infant mortality in premodern societies and therefore the change involved more factors than just medical science (also improvements in public health, contraception, reduction of child poverty and malnourishment, etc). – Joe (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  ALT3 is not my favorite either but I think the sources fulfill our requirements even though they themselves do not cite other sources for these claims. The hook says "helped raise" to not imply that there were no other factors. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  I wouldn't say they fulfil the basic requirement of being reliable sources, in this context, per WP:EXCEPTIONAL. But this is probably best continued on the article talk page. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  adjusted hook per talk page discussion at Talk:Human_history#Increase_in_life_expectancy:

  • ALT3a: ... that in modern human history, public health measures and advances in medical science helped raise global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000?

  Phlsph7 (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Mariano R. Vázquez

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• ... that during the Spanish Civil War, Mariano R. Vázquez oversaw the integration of anarchists into the government of Spain?

• Source: Sierra, María; Pro, Juan (October 2022). "Gypsy Anarchism: Navigating Ethnic and Political Identities". European History Quarterly. 52 (4): 598–599. doi:10.1177/02656914221097011. hdl:10261/280207. ISSN 0265-6914.

• ALT1: ... that Mariano R. Vázquez wanted to prolong the Spanish Civil War, as he believed that the outbreak of World War II would force the Western allies to intervene and help the Spanish Republicans? Source: Bolloten, Burnet (1991). The Spanish Civil War: Revolution and Counterrevolution. University of North Carolina Press. pp. 625–626. ISBN 0-8078-1906-9. LCCN 89-77911.
• ALT2: ... that Mariano R. Vázquez thought the Spanish Revolution of 1936 had been a mistake, as he believed it had frightened off potential Western allies from supporting the Spanish Republicans? Source: Wexler, Alice (1989). "Spain and the World". Emma Goldman in Exile: From the Russian Revolution to the Spanish Civil War. Boston: Beacon Press. pp. 229–230. ISBN 0-8070-7004-1. LCCN 88-43317.
• ALT3: ... that criticisms of Mariano R. Vázquez for his tenure as Secretary General of the CNT were often infused with anti-Romani sentiment? Source: Sierra, María; Pro, Juan (October 2022). "Gypsy Anarchism: Navigating Ethnic and Political Identities". European History Quarterly. 52 (4): 600–602. doi:10.1177/02656914221097011. hdl:10261/280207. ISSN 0265-6914.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kaylee Bryson

Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.

Grnrchst (talk) 11:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC).

• Article is long enough and promoted to GA one day before DYK nom. Article is presentable, well-sourced and copyvio free. Hooks are interesting and cited (one is inaccessible). QPQ done. Approving on good faith, thank you for your nomination Grnrchst! Kimikel (talk) 03:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 11

Jacques Lewis

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• ... that Jacques Lewis is believed to have been the last living French veteran of D-Day?

• Source: "Believed to be the last surviving Frenchman to wade ashore with Americans, he was attached to an Army unit that stormed Utah Beach and helped drive Germans out of France."

NY Times

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Israel Del Toro

Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 139 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 16:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC). Review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - The article was copied from the French Wikipedia

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - The NYT source does not support the hook as written because it only covers the US landings but there were British and Canadian beaches on D-Day too. A claim of first/last is a  Redflag and so needs excellent verification.
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - "Believed" is a weasel word and/or expression of doubt. If this is a definite fact, as it should be, then we should state it as such without such tentative language.

QPQ: - Not provided yet. Note current discussions about limiting nominations on credit like this.
Overall: I'm not sure of the formal status of translations but this review template asks Is the article free of material copied from other sources? and it isn't. The article seemed to need some copy-editing and so further work of that kind may soften the issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your review. Will fix up shortly. Thriley (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

ALT1... that Jacques Lewis, a 105 year old French veteran of D-Day, insisted that he participate in a ceremony commemorating the invasion's 80th anniversary? Thriley (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

A House in Jerusalem

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• ... that the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem tells the story of a British-Jewish child who encounters the ghost of a Palestinian girl in the house where she used to live until 1948?

• Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/6/12/a-house-in-jerusalem-and-the-memory-of-the-nakba https://www.broadcastprome.com/news/netflix-releases-palestinian-film-a-house-in-jerusalem/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Palestinian right of armed resistance

Created by Makeandtoss (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

Makeandtoss (talk) 11:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC).

• Not a full review, but as the subject is a work of fiction, a new hook will need to be proposed per WP:DYKFICTION. Essentially, hooks about fictional plots alone aren't allowed on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for pointing out this guideline.

ALT1 ... that the director of the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem, Muayad Alayan, is a Palestinian whose family was expelled from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948? Makeandtoss (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Not too fond of the hook as it seems to be more about the director than the movie itself, but will let a different editor decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Council Working Party

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• ... that while Council Working Parties formally only prepare decisions by the Council of the European Union, they de facto shape the majority of those decisions? Source: Häge 2016, p. 686 "Formally, working parties only ‘prepare’ the ministers’ work, but de facto, they make the majority of Council decisions."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tamurbek Dawletschin (claimed, not done) (done)

Created by WatkynBassett (talk) on 5 August 2024. Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 25 past nominations.

WatkynBassett (talk) 07:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC).

Niall Ó Glacáin

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Niall Ó Glacáin

• ... that in the 1620s, Irish physician Niall Ó Glacáin (pictured) worked as a travelling plague doctor in Southern France?

• Source: https://www.dib.ie/biography/oglacan-o-glacan-nial-a6763

• Reviewed:

Created by SkywalkerEccleston (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

SkywalkerEccleston (talk) 06:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC).

• Article became a GA on 11 August. It is long enough, well-sourced with inline citations, neutral, and without copyvio problems. The hook is good and sourced in the Spain and France section. Image is freely licensed and used in the article. No QPQ needed. - JuneGloom07 Talk 03:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 12

National Hotel (Chișinău)

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• ... that Chișinău's National Hotel was once a flagship property but is now effectively abandoned?

• Source: NYT

• ALT1: ... that The New York Times said that Chișinău's effectively abandoned National Hotel is "a study in the post-Soviet dysfunctions of one of Europe’s poorest countries"? Source: NYT
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tattarisuo case

Created by The ed17 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 21 past nominations.

Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 02:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC).

• Hook is interesting, assuming good faith on NYT sourcing because I do not have a subscription, QPQ is done, Earwig's is clean. ―Panamitsu (talk) 07:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Articles created/expanded on August 14

ComicBook.com

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Logo of ComicBook.com

• ... that Paramount Global sold the entertainment news website ComicBook.com to its former CEO Sam Savage as part of its plan to divest assets and achieve $500 million in cost savings?

• Source: https://www.thewrap.com/paramount-sells-comicbook-popculture-savage-ventures/

• ALT1: ... that the entertainment news website ComicBook.com runs a podcast focused on Marvel Comics and the Marvel Cinematic Universe called Phase Zero? Source: https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/phase-zero-marvel-podcast-mcu-series/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Coe

Converted from a redirect by Favre1fan93 (talk) and Trailblazer101 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC).

• I'd like to suggest an ALT2 for consideration: ... that ComicBook.com originally began as a website with sales links and press releases related to comic books before becoming an entertainment news site? Source: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/paramount-sells-comicbook-com-popculture-com-to-savage-ventures/ - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 15:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - See below.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Expanded from redirect from 14 to 16 August and sized at 2003 B. Prefer ALT2 for hookiness. Note that Favre1fan93 is the only nom with >=5 DYKs, so assuming DYK rules count hook proposers as nominators the review is for him. While ALT0 ref doesn't say Sam Savage, ref 4 has it covered. @Favre1fan93 and Trailblazer101: there is only one problem needed to fix: there is very close paraphrasing with "holding page with some comic book related press releases and sales links on it", including in ALT2, but replacing it with "holding page containing sales links and press releases" should be fine with respect to WP:LIMITED. Another thought I had was adding the CBS or Paramount ownership to ALT2 given how important the companies are globally (especially the latter), but consider this optional. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:36, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Miraclepine: I've adjusted the close paraphrasing here (I still retained at the end that they were comic book-related but let me know if that's still too much) and adjusted it in ALT2 as well. We could add in at the very end of ALT2 , formerly for CBS and Paramount if you think that would help. That would bring the hook character count up to 183. Let me know if you'd prefer that and if there's anything else. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: I've had some time thinking about this, and on second thought, it's already hooky without having to be a little long, especially when combining the contrast between the narrower field the site's name suggests (comic books) and the broader field the site actually covers (general entertainment) with another large contrast (originally PRs and promo links, now news content), so ALT2 without the ending it is. ALT0-2, prefer ALT2 ミラP@Miraclepine 16:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Europapa

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• ... that the song "Europapa" was the first in the history of the Eurovision Song Contest to be disqualified after the contest started?

• Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-68993726

• ALT1: ... that Joost Klein wore an International Klein Blue outfit during his performance of "Europapa" at Eurovision? Source: https://thateurovisionsite.com/2024/04/30/joost-klein-the-netherlands-first-rehearsal/
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• Comment: My first nomination. Requesting further comments and reviews of the hooks.

Improved to Good Article status by Nascar9919 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Sekundenlang (talk) 07:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hi User:Sekundenlang, well done on getting this article to WP:GA status. It all looks good to me. I prefer your first hook, which will be intriguing to readers. I couldn’t see exactly where in the BBC link you provided where exactly it confirms the statement. It is possible that the article has changed since you posted it? Perhaps you could bring an excerpt quotation. Thank you. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Found a Guardian link:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/14/eurovision-organisers-defend-decision-to-disqualify-joost-klein "It was the first time in Eurovision’s 68-year history that a contestant has been disqualified after the start of the five-day event."

Also, the alternate hook was a reference to the last name-color name connection (Klein).

- Sekundenlang (talk) 18:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you Sekundenlang. I have marked it as good to go.

PS - thanks for pointing out the Klein-Klein point - I hadn’t realized, too subtle for me. I think the first hook works very well. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Sekundenlang I can't find where this hook is cited in the article, can you help? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

AirshipJungleman29 Added it. Used the link I posted here from The Guardian as source. - Sekundenlang (talk) 15:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

William, Prince of Wales, in film and television

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William, Prince of Wales

• ... that William, Prince of Wales (pictured), inspired the character Prince Wheeliam in Cars 2?

• Source:

• ALT1: ... that William, Prince of Wales (pictured), has no plans to watch his depiction in The Crown? Source:
• ALT2: ... that William, Prince of Wales (pictured), has been depicted by four actors in The Crown? Source:
• ALT3: ... that Prince William's (pictured) marriage ceremony was parodied in an episode of South Park? Source:
• ALT4: ... that William, Prince of Wales (pictured), has appeared in two documentaries about his mother Princess Diana? Source:
• Reviewed:
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Elevator pitch to increase appeal of subject matter

Many years ago, European royal families were the most powerful politicians of their countries. Compare that to today, where (aside from Pope Francis) royalty serve as figureheads in kingdoms such as Belgium and Sweden. Or, in the case of the United Kingdom, you have a family of princes as the ultimate form of soft power, appealing to the masses worldwide through their charity work and family milestones. Arguably, nowhere is this soft power more popular (at least for now) than in the form of Prince William, on deck to be king of the birthplace of the English language, the Great White North, Down Under, and 12 other countries. By presenting this article on Did you know, readers will learn much more about the public's fascination with this prince on the big screen and small screen alike. From two films on his wedding to a documentary on his advocacy for climate change, there will be plenty of intrigue and critique that will not disappoint!

Finally, as a more serious comment, I would like to note that this page's parent article appeared on Did you know less than a year ago as of this post. If this affects eligibility, please let me know.

Created by AndrewPeterT (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 04:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

• I've moved the article to bring it in line with MOS:COMMA, and edited this page accordingly. Ham II (talk) 07:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Not a review, but I like ALT3: ALT1 is okay, and ALT2 and ALT4 are not as interesting in my opinion. Maybe it's not too surprising but I think it arouses interest in: why were they parodying his marriage ceremony? What happened? Mrfoogles (talk) 04:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Charlotte Eyton

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• ... that English amateur geologist Charlotte Eyton wrote a number of papers and pamphlets on the geology of the Wrekin, a part of Shropshire, between 1862 and 1870?

• Source: Charlotte Eyton, the daughter of Thomas Campbell Eyton, a well-known Shropshire naturalist, published six notes and papers (mainly concerning investigations of glacial formations) in the Geological Magazine between 1866 and 1870; she also wrote a monograph, Notes on the Geology of North Shropshire (1869). reference - Creese and Creese, 1994, p 10 https://www.jstor.org/stable/4027579?seq=10

• Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Jacob_von_Eggers

Created by Chaiten1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Chaiten1 (talk) 10:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC).

• There don't seem to be any major issues with this article, although I do wonder if the mere fact that an amateur geologist wrote geological papers is really all that interesting... KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 04:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - fair point, but actually it was rare for women (and for amateurs) to publish papers in scientific journals, so this is the reason that it is interesting, or at least notable. Chaiten1 (talk) 07:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't seem immediately obvious to the lay reader. And is that mentioned in the article/sources? Otherwise there may be a hint of OR in there. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

This wider context is in the cited reference (Creese and Creese,https://www.jstor.org/stable/4027579) which describes the British women who contributed to geological research in the 19th century, and highlights the contributions of independent/amateur women to the field in the mid-1800s. Chaiten1 (talk) 11:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

New and long enough, well-referenced, hook is interesting enough, QPQ done. AGF for the offline sources. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 05:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Egyptian Labour Corps mutinies

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• ... that twice in 1917 British soldiers in France opened fire on mutineers from the Egyptian Labour Corps, killing at least 27 of them?

• Source: Deaths were in two of the mutinies on 6 and 11 September: "the Egyptians tried to get out of their camp and were fired on by the garrison battalion, who killed twenty-three ... "reinforcements were called in. Again there was shooting, in which five were killed" from p255 of James, Lawrence (1987). Mutiny in the British and Commonwealth Forces, 1797-1956. London: Buchan & Enright. pp. 252–257. ISBN 0-907675-70-0. I have gone with 27 as >Grint, Keith (2021). Mutiny and Leadership. Oxford University Press. pp. 280–281. ISBN 978-0-19-289334-5. gives four killed on 11 September and the CWGC lists seven who died on that day.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Donald MacKay (architect)

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk).

If it can run on 6 September:

• ALT1: ... that 107 years ago today British soldiers in France opened fire on mutineers from the Egyptian Labour Corps, killing 23 men?

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 869 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC).

• Reviewing
• Article is long enough and new enough
• Article is well written, neutral and supported by inline citations.
• Both hooks are short enough, correctly formatted and supported by inline citations.
• No copyvio detected on Earwig
• QPQ done
• I think the original hook is slightly ambiguous. It could be interpreted as meaning that at least 27 men were killed on each of the 2 occasions. If 'twice' was removed this would remove ambiguity and still be accurate.

So suggest ALT2 "... that in 1917 British soldiers in France opened fire on mutineers from the Egyptian Labour Corps, killing at least 27 of them?"

ALT1 approved for 6 September

• Altogether a very detailed, informative and interesting article

Papamac (talk) 17:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Papamac, thanks for your review. I am happy with your suggested ALT - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Papamac (talk) 11:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 15

Jehovah's Witnesses in Singapore

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• ... that many Jehovah's Witnesses in Singapore have been imprisoned for refusing to serve in the military?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charlotte Eyton

Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 170 past nominations.

KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 05:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

• The article is new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. Earwig is giving me the "Too Many Requests" error right now so I am unable to check for close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. Almost all the sources are offline so I will assume good faith for the sourcing. The main issue right now is the hook: it's only mentioned in the lede without a citation. The rest of the article does not appear to directly support the "routinely imprisoned" statement, only that Witnesses have been regularly arrested and some have been jailed. My suggestion would be a rephrasing of the hook to make it closer to the article text. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Courtesy ping to Kingoflettuce to make sure they're aware of the above comment. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Narutolovehinata5 Have changed it to "many" (and specified that it's ~6 annually according to the BBC) have been imprisoned (although it's effectively a routine IMO, but you're right that the sources cited don't quite say that.) Appreciate the ping, Clover! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 17:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Just one last minor issue before I approve this: the phrase "although they do not receive permanent criminal records." is very close to the BBC source, so if it's possible to rephrase it, that would be appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Can't think of a suitable rephrase at the moment (is it right to infer that they are given "temporary" records instead? I don't think so.) It's a basic fact KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• I guess we can't really do anything about that wording, so I'll accept it per WP:LIMITED. This should be good to go as there are no other issues and the BBC source supports the hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Killing of Nyah Mway

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• ... that Karen Americans protested the killing of Nyah Mway?

• Source: several, https://www.uticaod.com/story/news/local/2024/07/13/people-gather-in-utica-for-13-year-old-nyah-mway-demanding-justice/74393485007/ is one

• ALT1: ... that nearly a thousand people marched in protest of the killing of Nyah Mway? Source: https://www.uticaod.com/story/news/local/2024/07/13/people-gather-in-utica-for-13-year-old-nyah-mway-demanding-justice/74393485007/
• ALT2: ... that Nyah Mway graduated from middle school the same week that he was killed? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/29/nyregion/utica-police-teen-shooting.html
• ALT3: ... that Nyah Mway is believed to be the first Karen American killed by police? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/nyregion/utica-police-teen-shooting.html
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Huang Wenxiu
• Comment: Given this subject matter, on one hand I don't want to trivialize this, on the other hand I don't want to be boring.

Moved to mainspace by Apocheir (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Apocheir (talk) 00:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC).

•  Doing... Beginning review now and I hope to complete it within 24 hours. Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 02:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Hello–I am very sorry for the delay. Article is new and long enough, well-sourced, copyvio free, QPQ done. I also think the article is fairly neutral and accurately presents the objective facts and timeline of events. I had to add two {{failed verification}} tags because I did not see those claims in any of the cited sources. If I overlooked something despite my best efforts, please let me know. Vis-a-vis the hooks: since ALT3 failed verification, we cannot use it until that is addressed. ALT1 is my preference, as it demonstrates the impact this had on the community. ALT2 I like too, more emotionally centered, but I wonder to others if it would be less interesting than the community response. Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 15:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
    • @Zingarese: It took me nearly five days to get back to this, so no need to apologize. The issues in the article have been fixed. I had referred to the wrong NYT article on the source for ALT3 in the article, but the source for ALT3 I gave in this nomination was correct. Thanks for your thoroughness. Apocheir (talk) 00:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
      • Thank you for clarifying that about ALT3 (and sorry I overlooked that), and for fixing the verification issues in the article. I've checked the article again and deem it good to go. My preference would now be ALT3. Thank you for your fantastic work. Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 01:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

1988–89 Barcelona Atlétic femenino season

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• ... that in 1989, the Barcelona women's second team was knocked out of the Catalan Cup in the same round as the Barcelona women's first team?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/O'Halloran and Francis v. United Kingdom
  • Comment: Sources in article. Might be some other hooks to be written from interesting match facts mentioned in prose about the league. Taking suggestions on if "football" needs to be in the hook, and where it would go.

Created by Kingsif (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 130 past nominations.

Kingsif (talk) 23:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC).

• Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. AGF on the source which I can't read. Maybe the word 'football' could be added like follows? ... that in 1989, the Barcelona football women's second team was knocked out of the Catalan Cup in the same round as the Barcelona women's first team? Do you think that works? If not, I think the initial hook could probably work as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Or maybe: ... that in 1989 football season, the Barcelona women's second team was knocked out of the Catalan Cup in the same round as the Barcelona women's first team? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• I'll let a promoter pick which hook they think is best, license for tweaks anyway. Kingsif (talk) 03:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Benoit Blin

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• ... that during his service with the French Navy pastry chef and television judge Benoit Blin cut off the tips of his fingers in a kitchen accident?

• Source: " For me, when I was a young lad I made a silly mistake during my military service. I used a butcher knife to slice a tomato when I was doing staff food. It was extremely sharp and chopped the end of my fingers off with the tomato." from "The man behind the chef: Benoit Blin - The Staff Canteen Live". www.thestaffcanteen.com. Retrieved 14 August 2024.

• ALT1: ... that in 2011, French-born chef Benoit Blin was president of the British team at the World Pastry Cup? Source: "Benoit is no stranger to high-end pastry competitions. He was team president of the UK Pastry Team in the 2011 Pastry World Cup " from: "BBC Two - Bake Off Creme de la Creme, Series 1 - Benoit Blin MCA". BBC. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Togo

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 870 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review (and no matter how much I like Bake Off The Professionals, I still do my QPQs oldest first!), but the WP:METRO is not a reliable source.--Launchballer 20:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up Launchballer, luckily everything was covered by the BBC source so I've switched it over to that - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You should consider installing WP:UPSD. Full review needed.--Launchballer 21:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, that is a very handy gadget that should be more widely known, thanks - Dumelow (talk) 07:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Eliza Legzdina

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Mauriks - Moody feat. Eliza Legzdina

Eliza Legzdina on The Coco Novak Show

• ... that Eliza Legzdina (track featured) named her record label after "my bellybutton"? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW71GsEtJLo, around 13:50 - which is Creative Commons, so is on this page
  • ALT0a: ... why Eliza Legzdina (track featured) named her record label after "my bellybutton"?
  • ALT1: ... that lemon, peach, strawberry, chocolate, and cinnamon have something in common? Source: https://www.looper.com/1112556/what-is-the-song-in-apples-brand-new-flavor-ipad-commercial/
    • ALT1a: ... what lemon, peach, strawberry, chocolate, and cinnamon have in common?
  • ALT2: ... that Eliza Legzdina (track featured) once copresented a workshop in which she "promise[d] to help you take your ‘2019 Ls’ and ‘spin them into 2020 Ws’"? Source: https://www.timeout.com/london/news/no-money-no-problem-learn-a-new-skill-for-free-at-these-courses-and-classes-011320
  • ALT3 : ... that Eliza Legzdina has attributed opinions of her work to the "horrification of the female body"? Source: https://www.hastemagazine.co.uk/real-girls-with-eliza-legzdina/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jab Se Tere Naina

Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 246 past nominations.

Launchballer 11:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC).

• Will be claiming this for review, but so far it looks good. The article was initially created in 2022 but was moved to userspace to be worked on as a draft; the article was moved back to mainspace on August 15, the day of the nomination, so for DYK purposes it should count as a new article. Earwig is down at the moment so I cannot check for close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. I have yet to check all statements in the article, but as for the hooks, my preference is the original one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Do you intend on returning to this?--Launchballer 08:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I was, I had just gotten busy with real-life matters over the last few days to be able to check all of the statements. For what it's worth, I didn't find any close paraphrasing, with the only Earwig hit being the quote that's already in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

This should be good to go as I was able to verify the information in the YouTube video. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 16

Italian Campaign of 1796-1797

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• ... that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 helped Napoleon Bonaparte establish himself as a general? Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/napoleon-and-the-italian-campaign-1221692
• ... that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 demonstrated that Napoleon Bonaparte was a "great strategist"? Source: https://www.napoleon.org/en/young-historians/napodoc/timeline-consulate1st-french-empire/
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: This is a translated article. The only issue I have personally encountered is citations, which I am currently working out.

Created by Sir MemeGod (talk) (translator) and 151.82.192.215 (talk) (who made the Italian page). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

• I screwed up the nomination template, can someone please correct. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Fixed. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• @Sir MemeGod: a few things need straightening out here:
• There are a lot of Harvard errors in the citations and referencing. If you haven't already, I suggest installing this script to catch and fix them.
• The two sources cited here are not really up to the bar of WP:RS. We need published works, ideally in print, by people acknowledged as experts in their field. Fortunately, Napoleon is not short of people who have written good academic work about him.
• The hooks need to be explicitly stated within the article itself: neither of these two seem to be.

I would suggest giving the article a fix for the citations, and then looking for two or three good facts from within it for which you have good sources already cited. I notice you've written that it's a translation, so make sure that these are from works that you can access to verify the citation. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 13:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Okay, I will work to fix the issues addressed by later today, and will get back to you once everything is done. Thanks for the review! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • @User:UndercoverClassicist I can't, for the life of me, figure out how to fix the "HarvNoTarget" error. I can fix the other issues though, and have already placed the hooks in the article. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
    • No Target Errors mean that there isn't a unique reference defined with that ID. For example, you have two references defined as Chandler2006, so any link pointing to that will show an error. The simple way to fix this is to make one Chandler 2006a and the other Chandler 2006b. I've seen the additions to the article, but would encourage you to read what I said about sourcing: this webpage is not a quality academic source. Honestly, I think there's more specific and more interesting material for hooks in the article anyway: can you come up with a couple that are cited to good-quality sources? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Sure, here's a few I came up with:

1. "...that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 ended with the Treaty of Campo Formio?"
1b. Source: https://www.britannica.com/event/Treaty-of-Campo-Formio#:~:text=Treaty%20of%20Campo%20Formio%2C%20(October,Napoleon%20Bonaparte's%20first%20Italian%20campaign.
2. "...that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 was led by Napoleon?" (Kind of generic, I know)
2b. Source: https://www.worldhistory.org/Napoleon's_Italian_Campaign/
2c. Source:https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_war/campaign/page_1.html#:~:text=First%20Italian%20Campaign%2C%201796%2D97,Piedmontese%2C%20then%20conquer%20each%20separately. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• I'd also have one about the campaign being Napoleon's first major campaaign (which it was), but I can't find an RS for it. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• To add one more thing, I figured out how to fix the harverror and now it is clean. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • We need hooks that are going to be interesting or unknown to most readers -- I'm not sure either of those two really pass that muster. Did anything interesting, exciting, surprising or consequential happen during (or as a result of) the campaigns? Can you find citations that are printed books, ideally in academic presses? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
    • I do have one more that does have reliable sources behind it, and was interesting (at least to me) when I first read about it.

• ALT0" Did you know... that Napoleon defeated the Sardinian army in just two weeks at Montenotte and Mondovì as part of the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797?"

Sources (which I've checked WP:RS/PS for reliability):
1. https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_war/campaign/page_1.html (passes WP:RS/PS)
2. https://www.britannica.com/event/French-revolutionary-wars/Campaign-in-Italy (there is no consensus, but the information is non-controversial, so it should be fine)
Also, printed books shouldn't be a requirement, if it's stated from a RS then it should be fine. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• They're not a requirement, but most of the websites you had been citing weren't good RSs for historical information -- I think Britannica is fine; PBS is acceptable but not great for history: we can trust their integrity, but they don't claim any real academic expertise or credibility. I think the most recent ALT (which I've labelled ALT0) is good; I've taken the liberty of making some minor edits for concision and markup. Hook is in the article, but the reference doesn't quite check: PBS give the two week figure as the combined total for Montenotte and Mondovi. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Issue has been fixed, I just added "Mondovi" to the hook and to the article. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Lovely stuff. A few copyright issues:

• File:Paintings of Napoleon I on the battlefield.jpg needs a US PD tag.
• So does File:Renault - André Masséna, duc de Rivoli, prince d'Essling, maréchal de France (1756-1817).jpg
• So does File:Rampon Monte Legino.jpg
• So does File:Il generale Bonaparte dopo la vittoria di Montenotte.jpg
• So does File:Myrbach-Battle of Lodi.jpg
• So does File:Victor Adam - Battle of Castiglione - 1836.jpg
• So does File:Bataille de Rivoli ag1.jpg
• So does File:Archdukecharles1.jpg
• So does File:Örebroporträttet.jpg
• So does File:Bonaparte di Edouard Detaille.jpg, and it also needs better source information.
• So does File:Johann Peter Beaulieu.jpg

Not strictly required, but as we're going to be directing many readers from the main page to this article, it would be good to have alt text on the images for the benefit of blind people using screen readers. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 18:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• I will add the alt text for all the images shortly. I may be able to add the PD-US templates to the images within the next hour, but if not, I'll just ask for someone else to do it (Commons sometimes doesn't work on my device). Thanks! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• All alt-texts for the images have been added. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • And, for the grand finale, all PD-US-EXPIRED templates have been added. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
    • @UndercoverClassicist: Everything has been fixed. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Request new reviewer, reviewer has not responded in 4 days. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Happy to respect that request, though I note for the future reviewer that the source information on File:Bonaparte di Edouard Detaille.jpg is still insufficient. Good luck with the nomination. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Shoko Ikeda

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• ... that Haruhi Suzumiya character designer Shoko Ikeda once admitted that the protagonist of the same name was "just like me"? Source: Ref 7
  • ALT0.5: ... that Haruhi Suzumiya character designer Shoko Ikeda once said that the protagonist of the same name was "just like me"? Source: Ref 7
  • ALT1: ... that when Kyoto Animation worked as a subcontractor for Inuyasha, Shoko Ikeda encouraged other employees to "make works of higher quality than any other company"? Source: 京アニは作画物を着色する仕上げの下請け時代を経て、... 実力を業界中に知らしめる大きなチャンス。池田さんは同僚たちに「どの会社よりも良質の作品を」とハッパを掛けた。/KyoAni had been a subcontractor for coloring artwork ... This was a great opportunity to show the industry what they could do. Ikeda urged his colleagues to "produce works of higher quality than any other company.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sun Chen (breakdancer)
  • Comment: The ALT0 source I can't access because I imported it as part of the translation, so I'll AGF.

Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.

ミラP@Miraclepine 03:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC).

• Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Mostly good. AGF on the hook sources (one offline, other is restricted by paywall). The only issue I see is that the sentence for ALT0 sounds a little confusing: Director Yutaka Yamamoto later recalled that "Haruhi [Suzumiya] was perfectly equal to [Ikeda]," who also admitted said that she herself thought Haruhi was "just like me". Could that be re-worded (the 'admitted said' part)? Looks good otherwise. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11:  Erledigt I've also fixed the ALT0 and moved the original to be ALT0.5. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:34, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 17

1961 Pittsburg State Gorillas football team

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Head coach Carnie Smith with All-Americans Gary Snadon and Harlan Hess and the UPI national championship trophy

• ... that the undefeated 1961 Pittsburg State Gorillas (pictured with UPI trophy) shut out seven opponents, featured four All-Americans and won three national championships?

• Source: Seven shutouts: here

Four All-Amerians: Snadon here, Archer, Beal, Hess here

Three national championships: UPI national small college champion (here), NAIA national champion (here), and AP small college national champion (here).

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Quinto Inuma Alvarado

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 375 past nominations.

Cbl62 (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC).

Quinto Inuma Alvarado

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• ... that the Quechua chief Quinto Inuma Alvarado was assassinated while returning home from a meeting of environmental leaders?

• Source: [14] [My translation] On the evening of Wednesday 29 November, a group of hooded people assassinated Quinto Inuma Alvarado [...] Quinto Inuma was returning from a meeting of environmental defenders held in Pucallpa, Ucayali, between November 23 and 26.

• ALT1: ... that the week Quinto Inuma Alvarado was assassinated, he said at a conference, "If I must die, I will die"? Source: [15] [My translation] "[...] If I must die, I will die" was one of the last statements the apu made, during his participation at a meeting of leaders held in Pucallpa, from 23 to 27 November.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joseva Talacolo

Created by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 23:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC).

• Article is new enough, long enough, and sourced. Hooks are interesting and short enough. Hooks are mostly supported but I am not finding an in-line citation for his status as a "Quechua chief". Hopefully, this can be added. QPQ satisfied. Cbl62 (talk) 12:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
  • @Cbl62: I had assumed the term "apu" was synonymous with "Quechua chief", but I realize now it's better to be precise. I have added a citation to call him a "Kichwa tribal leader" (with Kichwa being a more specific term than Quechua). — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 14:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

alt0 still uses the "chief" phrasing so I can't approve that one, but alt1 is ok. Cbl62 (talk) 01:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Anders Årfelt

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Lion sculpture

• ... that after some of Anders Årfelt's lion sculptures (example pictured) were struck during the 2017 Stockholm truck attack the city ordered new versions weighing 3 tonnes (3.3 tons)?

• Source: "Konstnären Anders Årfelts betonglejon kan ha räddat livet på människor under terrorattacken på Drottninggatan i Stockholm förra året. Nu vill Stockholms stad sätta upp fler och större lejon ... De nya lejonen väger tre ton, jämfört med de vanliga som väger 900 kilo." which Google translates as "Artist Anders Årfelt's concrete lion may have saved the lives of people during the terrorist attack on Drottninggatan in Stockholm last year. Now the city of Stockholm wants to put up more and bigger lions ... The new lions weigh three tons, compared to the usual ones that weigh 900 kilograms." from: "Nya större lejon ska göra Stockholms gator säkrare". SVT Nyheter (in Swedish). 27 February 2018. Retrieved 16 August 2024.

Tributes on a lion sculpture

• • ALT1: ... that a lion sculpture by Anders Årfelt became the site of tributes to victims of the 2017 Stockholm truck attack (pictured)? Source: "och nu riktas även hyllningarna mot en dold hjälte – betonglejonet ... Sedan fredagen har lejonet överrösts av massor av blommor, ljus och kärlek och vi håller med om att lejonet skulle bli ett fint minnesmärke.
    " which Google translates as: "now the tributes are also directed at a hidden hero – the concrete lion. ... Since Friday, the lion has been drowned out by lots of flowers, candles and love and we agree that the lion would make a nice memorial." from: "Därför borde betonglejonet som räddade Stockholm bli en staty - Metro Mode". metromode.se (in Swedish). 2017-04-12. Retrieved 16 August 2024.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Queen Anne Pool

Created by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 872 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 08:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Both hooks are good, but my preference is Alt1 because: (1) hook is shorter and quicker to grasp; (2) the accompanying image for that one is more colourful and eye-catching. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Post-tuberculosis lung disease

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Fungus growing in a post-TB lung cavity

Healed tuberculous cavity

• ... that many people who recover from tuberculosis lose more than half of their lung capacity (pictured)?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Inez Demonet

Created by Buidhe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 249 past nominations.

(t · c) buidhe 06:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC).

• @Buidhe: QPQ done, only 13% overlap, the page is an orphan (possibly add it to Template:Tuberculosis) and also airways is a disambiguation link please fix that, new enough. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review. The article was de orphaned and the daB link was fixed. (t · c) buidhe 17:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Abortion in Guinea

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• ... that Guinea has a law banning abortion, but an interpretation of the law says that receiving an abortion is not illegal?

• Source: [16] [my translation] For this legal journalist, the Guinean penal code cannot condemn a woman who has had an abortion.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/superseded combination

Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC).

• Not surprising or interesting, most abortion laws focus on prosecuting abortion providers rather than recipients. (t · c) buidhe 06:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 18

Cooper Mays

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• ... that Cooper Mays played on the same offensive line that his brother Cade Mays did while both were at Tennessee?

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Created by TarheelBornBred (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TarheelBornBred (talk) 16:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

• I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. It might be better with some modifications, such as clarifying that he's a football player, (e.g. ALT1 ... that in college, football player Cooper Mays was a member of the same offensive line as his brother?) but I think either way it should work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1 sounds fine to me, and I'm open to using it. TarheelBornBred (talk) 18:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC).

References

Ultimate X-Men (2024)

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• ... that Maystorm, a character from Ultimate X-Men, was initially created as a variant cover for the X-Men comic?

• Source: Cameron Bonomolo (January 23, 2024). "Ultimate X-Men Writer Teases "Something Completely New and Different"". Comic Book.com. Retrieved April 26, 2024.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Khalji Revolution

Moved to mainspace by Cambalachero (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 123 past nominations.

Cambalachero (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

• Hi Cambalachero! Overall, I think the article is well-written. Earwig showed no copyright violations, and the article was moved to mainspace on 16 August, so it is new enough. However, I have some concerns about the plot section. Although there are no specific standard for its length and the current plot summary is sourced, I think it is a bit too lengthy, as it is longer than the lead, editorial history, and reception sections combined. Trimming it down to around 400 to 700 words would be more suitable for the article, so it does not overly focus on in-universe content. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Done, just made it significantly shorter. Articles about comics tend to be magnets for people compelled to add every detail of the plots, you get distracted for a couple of days and the plot section grows exponentially. Cambalachero (talk) 15:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
    • Yea, I realise the one who expanded the plot summary section was not you. Thanks for cleaning up the article. Ready to go now! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Beata Olsson

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• ... that when Swedish soccer player Beata Olsson transferred from Florida to Florida State, she said she didn't really know about the schools' rivalry?

• Source: ref5

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Stefon

Created by Hameltion (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 60 past nominations.

Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, more of a comment: the current hook is very US-centric. The rivalry will probably be understood by US readers, but those outside the US may not be as familiar with the Gators-Seminoles rivalry. My suggestion would be to add some more context to the hook, like saying Olsson helped the Seminoles in their soccer championships. As written, the hook doesn't even make it clear that she's a soccer player! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Hmm, I wouldn't describe that as US-centric, just local. But not being familiar with the rivalry is kind of central to the hook. Could add that she won championships but I think that would be wordy/distract. Added sport. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 13:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I meant that readers would need to know that Florida and Florida State have a rivalry to get the hook. It's a different thing from Olsson being unaware of it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I think most readers can infer that two schools within the same state are probably rivals. For the hook, I'd add Olsson's nationality to make it a bit clearer about why she wouldn't know about the rivalry. SounderBruce 03:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added Swedish to the hook for additional context. I think the additional context about her being a football player and being from Sweden satisfies my original concerns. Full review still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Might as well do a review as no one else has picked it up. The article is new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. Her date of birth is mentioned in the article but lacks a reference, so that will need to be addressed. The lede also has a minor grammatical error ("Sweden at youth international level" instead of "Sweden at the youth international level"). I did not find any close paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been provided. The changes to the hook have addressed my concerns and I feel it now sufficiently meets WP:DYKINT as I think the hook fact works with the additional context, even if readers are not aware of the rivalry. Although I added "Swedish" to the hook, it does not fundamentally change the hook fact and it's already verified in the article, so I'll give it an IAR approval rather than ask a new reviewer to approve it, once the issues raise above have been addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks, addressed. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 13:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Counterintelligence Group

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• ... that the Counterintelligence Group was disbanded in 1995 because the unit was successful in the "neutralization and prosecution of scalawags" in the Armed Forces of the Philippines?

• Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20240120132453/https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/explainers/why-reactivate-armed-forces-counterintelligence-group/

• ALT1: ... that the Counterintelligence Group was reactivated on January 18, 2024, due to coup rumors that were reported in 2023?

• Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20240120162351/https://www.rappler.com/philippines/watch-afp-chief-brawner-warns-coup-plotters-do-not-recruit-active-soldiers/
  https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2023/11/04/2308816/former-military-officers-behind-destab-afp-chief

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Invincible Dragon
• Comment: There's a blurb there where there's a mention of the CIG being reestablished in 2005. However, I can only go on to say that Gen. Brawner Jr. mentioned in public that the unit will be fully reestablished on December 21, 2023. This one's widely reported in Philippine media.

Open to alternate hooks.

Created by Ominae (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

Ominae (talk) 12:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC).

• Approved the first hook. Article length and age are good, copyvio and plagiarism free, source seems to be reliable. Hook is interesting, I personally find it interesting of the usage of "scalawags" in official communiques. QPQ done. I think orphan tags are allowed to exist for it to be presentable but it would be nice to get some links to the article if you have time, but it isn't an issue for the nom. Looks good to me :) PersusjCP (talk) 19:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

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Public image of JB Pritzker

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• ... that Socialists, nomadic warriors, Anarchists, and frat bros support the richest governor in the United States of America?

• Source: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/09/jb-pritzker-will-gladly-be-democrats-flamethrower

(Other sources in the article discuss each group more in depth, such as the Chicago Tribune one)

• • ALT1: ... that the Great Khan of the Midwest has a large following among nomadic warriors, frat bros, socialists, and anarchists? Source: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2022/11/04/jb-pritzker-conqueror-of-worlds-the-memeing-of-the-illinois-governor-gets-weird/
  • Reviewed:

Created by Microplastic Consumer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Microplastic Consumer (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, but I don't think ALT0 would pass scrutiny as Pritzker being the richest governor in the US is not a fact that is unlikely to change. It will change either when Pritzker is no longer in office, or another governor becomes wealthier. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Also not a review but Alt 1 also appears to be changeable opinion using possibly stereotypes (ie not a sociological or even cultural study or statistical fact). I don't remember the rules for opinion presentation, if any, though. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hooks about opinions usually require some kind of attribution. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

There are essentially hundreds of JB Pritzker fan accounts, some of whom who have received media coverage (See sources linked here and in the article). "Nomadic Warriors for Pritzker" is one of this accounts, and refers to Pritzker as the "Great Khan" Microplastic Consumer (talk) 12:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Maybe something like ALT2 ... that JB Pritzker has been nicknamed the "Great Khan of the Midwest" by supporters? would work then? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

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Piano Sonata (Barber)

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• ... that Samuel Barber's Piano Sonata was described by The New York Times as "the first sonata really come of age by an American composer of this period"?

• Source: https://www.nytimes.com/1950/01/24/archives/horowitz-offers-barbers-sonata-his-sonata-heard.html

• ALT1: ... that Samuel Barber's Piano Sonata was premiered by Vladimir Horowitz? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/1950/01/24/archives/horowitz-offers-barbers-sonata-his-sonata-heard.html
• ALT2: ... that Samuel Barber said he could not adequately play his own Piano Sonata? Source: Sherman, Robert; Barber, Samuel (2010) [1978]. "Samuel Barber Interviewed by Robert Sherman (1978)". Samuel Barber Remembered: A Centenary Tribute. Boydell & Brewer. ISBN 978-1-58046-350-8. JSTOR 10.7722/j.ctt7zsv91.11., "I played [the sonata] for [Horowitz] at his house and I fell on the floor at the end of the third movement—that was really just a joke, but they were a little worried about me. It was awfully hard!" and Tocco, James (1977). "Happy Birthday, Samuel Barber!". Camera Three. CBS., Barber: "My sonata? No, no, no. I can't [play it]."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Killing of Nyah Mway (pending as of 02:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC))

5x expanded by Zingarese (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 02:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Alt2 is the best out of the three. Alt0 could be interesting, but too vague - "this period" needs clarification, might be helpful if the year that the NYT made the comment was added. Alt1 I don't find interesting at all and would not recommend. All three hooks are properly sourced. Please ping me once the QPQ is complete so that I may approve the nomination.QPQ complete. Prefer alt3 to alt2 but both can be used.

Earwig doesn't flag any copyvio. The article is of good quality and in my opinion could pass a Good Article nomination if the nominator is interested in that. Jaguarnik (talk) 21:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jaguarnik:, hello and thank you for the review. I also agree that Alt2 is probably going to be the most interesting to a broad audience. Maybe I could revise it a bit:

• ALT3: ... that Samuel Barber, himself an accomplished, conservatory-trained pianist, said he could not adequately play his own Piano Sonata? Source: Sherman, Robert; Barber, Samuel (2010) [1978]. "Samuel Barber Interviewed by Robert Sherman (1978)". Samuel Barber Remembered: A Centenary Tribute. Boydell & Brewer. ISBN 978-1-58046-350-8. JSTOR 10.7722/j.ctt7zsv91.11., "I played [the sonata] for [Horowitz] at his house and I fell on the floor at the end of the third movement—that was really just a joke, but they were a little worried about me. It was awfully hard!", Tocco, James (1977). "Happy Birthday, Samuel Barber!". Camera Three. CBS., Barber: "My sonata? No, no, no. I can't [play it]." and Heyman, Barbara B. (2001). "Barber, Samuel (Osmond)". In Stanley Sadie; John Tyrrell (eds.). The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians (2nd ed.). London: Macmillan.

Let me know what you think. I would be fine with either ALT2 or ALT3; the ball is in your court! Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 15:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zingarese: Personally I think alt 3 works a bit better than alt2, since it gives more context to why it's so surprising that Samuel Barber could not play his own sonata. I would remove "accomplished", not because he wasn't accomplished, but to avoid MOS:PUFFERY and because I don't think it's super necessary.Jaguarnik (talk) 20:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Sounds wonderful! Promoter please just lose the “accomplished, “ from the hook. Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 17:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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April Fools' Day hooks are exempted from the timeline limit; see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.