Talk:Steve Earle

Fulham football

If you have come here from Fulham football club's website, this is obviously not thright place to be. there is no steve earle (footballer) webpage yet, but if someone was to sort out a disambig. page we'd be very grateful —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.242.127 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 9 December 2004

John Walker's Blues

Who is the Qari at the end of the John Walker blues song? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.248.184.54 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 9 October 2005

Outlaw country

The Outlaw country article makes a couple of references to Earle as having an Outlaw country ethos. Earle's article here doesn't reciprocate. Just thought I'd make that observation and leave it in hands here, more knowledgeable about Earle than I. --Ds13 06:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I see he is actually in that article twice, I'd keep the ref. of him in the company of Guy Clark and Townes Van Zandt, and avoid suggesting that he has much in common with Hank III. -MrFizyx 17:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone has removed Earle from the Outlaw Country article. I am not an expert here, but would think that he should be there, even if he also fits other genres. I am going to ask the question in the discussion there, but folks might want to weigh in. 131.238.30.145 (talk) 00:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Radio show title

I removed the statement that Earle's radio show is titled "The Revolution Starts Now." Maybe it was called that at some time in the past, but according to the Air America website, it's called "The Steve Earle Show." I didn't think this title was worth mentioning in the article. Frumpet 01:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

• This is apparently referring to his old Air America show. His new show on Sirius is called Hardcore Troubadour. He switched from one to the other back in June 2007.--Larrybob (talk) 06:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Rock Star?

This is awkward

One summer evening after seeing a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert, Earle went backstage and was given the advice of his life. A story that Earle repeats to this day is that "[Ronnie] Van Zant took his necklace off and put around my neck and said, 'Boy, if you work hard enough and believe in yourself, then you too can become a rock star someday.'" This advice was something that would turn out to be true, as Steve released his first album, Guitar Town in 1986.

So he became a rock star because he released his first album?

Country Rock and Politics

Earle's contribution to the Democratic campaign was particularly notable, since country rock is traditionally associated with the right wing.

The "Country Rock" link goes to a page that lists artists who are either anti-right wing (Neil Young, Wilco, Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt) or apolitical (Gram Parsons, Dylan for the last 40 years or so). I don't see any artists that are associated with ther right wing

Omarcheeseboro 21:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree, this assertion is dubious. I stuck a {{fact}} tag on it and someone just went and removed it without adding a citation. If nobody adds one shortly I'll remove the sentence since it is plainly questionable. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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Photo

Commons:Image:Steve Earle & Allison Moorer at Bumbershoot 2007.jpg, which I shot, seems to me a better photo of Earle than the one we currently have on the article. However, the current photo is one in which he is more or less alone, and the one I prefer is with his wife, Allison Moorer. Since the case isn't clearcut, and since I can hardly be a neutral judge in this matter, I leave it to someone else to make the decision which photo should illustrate the article. - Jmabel | Talk 07:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Acting

No mention of his acting role in The Wire in the article?

I removed this: > After Earle's appearance in hit TV show The Wire, it was revealed that his arms are of a below average length, relative to the rest of his body.

Because first of all WTF? Secondly it should be cited and it's not. A google search of Steve Earle arm length didn't help. Thirdly it certainly doesn't belong at the end of his "Bio" section. If somebody wants to add a section on Biological Abnormalities maybe it could go there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.114.192.225 (talk) 14:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Personal

Was Steve Earle married to Kelly Walker, making her one of 8 marriages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phylarp (talk • contribs) 15:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

According to both biographies, and several interviews, I have read, Steve has only been married to the women listed here. He has said several times that his marriage to Allison Moorer is his first since getting clean in 1994 (he had re-married Gill when he was arrested, but they divorced a year or so later.) I do remember from the St. John biography that he had a live-in girlfriend in the late 90's, and I think her name was Kelly. Is that the Kelly you refer to? I don't think it lasted long, as he dedicates Transcendental Blues (2000) to Sara, also a girlfriend he never married. What makes you think they were married?

I just checked; according to St. John's book Kelly Walker was his girlfriend and worked for E². It doesn't say anything about them being married, except that she wanted to get married but he didn't.131.238.31.40 (talk) 18:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Men at Work

I'm going to be working on upgrading the grammar and sentence structure, adding refs, removing fan details and external links that don't meet with policy etc. If you have any questions or issues with what I'm doing, please post here or on my talk page so we can communicate and work together. Cheers!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 20:00, 22 July 2012 (UTC) Biographies online: CMT, unofficial web site, All Music, People -- — Keithbob • Talk • 21:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Ressourcen

• • Online bios
• CMT,
• unofficial web site,
• All Music
• Biography.com

• • Books
• Hardcore Troubadour: The Life and Near Death of Steve Earle By Lauren St John
• Steve Earle: Fearless Heart, Outlaw Poet By David McGee

• • News articles
• New York Times article
• Archive of articles about Earle
• PopMatters article
• Interview
• Reviews at Country Standard Time
• Article in Pitchfork-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:42, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Dear IP 99.43.32.160, Thanks for your interest in this article. I am adding sourced content. Glad to hear you will also be contributing citations from books on the topic. Please remember to include page numbers in the citations. Thanks. I look forward to working together. If you have specific issues, we can discuss them here.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 12:03, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I've organized the article in terms of chronology rather than in random sections like writer, actor, political activist which were taken out of the context of his life as it has progressed over the years. That format may be alright for an autobiography (book) but for an encyclopedia such as WP, I feel this this format is more neutral, more objective and more reader friendly. I have sourced quite a lot of the content and look forward to the contributions of others as we progress. I have tagged the sentences that still need sourcing. Thanks for your help.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 03:49, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Howdy. I will do more when I have a chance and have the books in front of me, which will be later in the month. I am glad to see you have expanded to more than the few bios. My primary concern was that you were reducing it down to three web based bios, which are not always well written or accurate. And as I said, one of the weaknesses of wikipedia, as compared to real encyclopedias written by experts in a field (and I have written for real encyclopedias), is that too often the preferred references are web articles written by journalists or bloggers. I agree that the article needed work, but because of time I had simply been monitoring over the last few years for any major misinformation or BLP issues. I was not involved in writing it initially, by the way, so was not protecting my own work but the work of others.

I don't necessarily agree with the reordering of the article - I think it helps to pull out acting and writing from music. I don't see them random sections, but as three aspects of his work. It also makes the portion on music more cohesive. I think the music section is too stripped down as it stands, but can add to that later. I don't think there was anything there which could not be referenced to recent interviews or other sources. I haven't had a chance to go through all you cut, but some might be added back (which again, was a concern - I think respect for others means going more slowly). I also don't think the 1970-200 periodization works. It makes more sense to break it up based on stages in his life - I would suggest a more substantial music section broken into the following: 1970-85 (pre-breakthrough), 86-94 (pre-jail rockabilly and rock), 95-2001 (post jail rock and exploration of roots music ), and 2002-now (more explicitly political, more folk). As an historian, I know that this is how history is written - periods are based on trends and movements, not arbitrary dates. 1969-1994 would also work, since there is not a lot of public info on the earlier years.

As an immediate BLP issue though, the time in jail is still wrong. He was incarcerated in September 94, and recorded his next record and had it out by early 95, so that simply does not make sense. I have seen a Nashville paper report with the exact release date in Nov 94, but can't find it now. Many sources have this wrong, McGee's book has it correct, St. John's is vague. Even the ones you cite don't say he served a year, but that he was released later that year! (You might want to read more carefully. Edit: I fixed two other similar errors where whet you wrote was incorrect and didn't even agree with the source you were citing.) I think it is because he was sentenced to year, so some sources assumed that and journalists borrow from each other. He also wasn't real quick to correct it, maybe to appear more an outlaw. Also he was still on parole for the year, so technically not free. More recently I saw an interview where he said two months. I suggest until I can get McGee, we don't mention the time, leaving it vague. I will make that one change now. Also, i think the jail time was just drugs, though he did have an earlier weapons and drug charge with probation.

99.43.32.160 (talk) 17:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Some other glaring issues

This is full of run-on sentences, as well as disjointed sentences formed from fragmented thoughts. Generally, it reads like a mash up of the earlier article (which I believe was better written. I don’t want to insult you, but feel the need to be blunt. If you are making drastic changes, it should be for the better.) For instance, some references to his activism and writing in the career section seem out of place, and the sentence on the biographies comes out of nowhere. I would suggest either separate sections or more logical connections. At least it should be chronological. The personal life section is also disjointed.

You have completely eliminated reference to Copperhead Road, arguably his best known album, as well as El Corazon.

He’s done a lot of tribute records. Not sure just one should be mentioned (I know that was already an issue.) 99.43.32.160 (talk) 03:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)