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'{{bots|deny=DPL bot}} {{talk header}} <div style="float:left;border:solid #cc9cdc 1px;" class="plainlinks"> {| cellspacing="0" style="height:35px;width:100%;background:#cc9cdc;" | '''Welcome to my talk page, if you want to start a new topic, then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Magioladitis&action=edit&section=new <font color="#0000CD">click here</font>] please! Generally I will reply here, so please come back to check. If I posted something in your talk page you don't have to answer here or post a talkback template. 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I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the [[WP:NPT|initial documentation]] about the project and also the [[Wikipedia:New Page Triage/Engagement strategy|engagement strategy]], which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on ''my'' talkpage, or in my inbox - {{nospam|okeyes|wikimedia.org}}. It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). [[User:Okeyes (WMF)|Okeyes (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Okeyes (WMF)|talk]]) 01:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC) == Wildbot notices == {{Resolved}} The [[tools:~dispenser/view/File_viewer#log:wildbot.txt|list]] is reaching 1,300 talk pages. Maybe Yobot could have another go at it. — [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]] 22:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC) :I'll run this task in the next 4-5 days. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 10:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC) ::{{doing}} -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 18:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC) :::{{done-t}} -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 10:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC) == basketball player == i merged "infobox basketball player" with "infobox basketball biography" by making the biography template backwards compatible. however, there are a couple things that should be cleaned up so we can simplify the biography code. # check what links here for "Template:Infobox basketball biography/team parameter linked" and either do [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cheikh_Samb&diff=481034651&oldid=431448560 this] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edgar_Sosa_%28basketball%29&diff=481034737&oldid=480150733 this] # While you are at it, might as well do [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tony_Massenburg&diff=481035533&oldid=481035446 this] if it's empty since the field is somewhat controversial, and the same for {{para|agent}}). # Also, if you see {{para|halloffame}} and it's empty, then remove it. I should be able to do this one myself, since there aren't that many. they need to be converted to another field name if they aren't empty. thank you. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC) :OK. I'll do but I don't like this {{para|team_link}}. I don't like when infoboxes introduce brackets alone. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 18:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC) :: this is the method used by the infobox to allow the link to have the same colour as the other text in the header. I agree that it's not the most transparent in terms of functionality. If you really don't like it, then we can start a thread on the talk page to discuss alternatives? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:21, 10 March 2012 (UTC) :::Please do and I'll follow. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC) I started by removing {{para|nickname}} and {{para|halloffame}} when empty. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 10:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC) :{{done-t}} [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 19:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC) == Skip if only whitespace is changed == Hi Magioladitis! You may want to set up Yobot to skip if only whitespace is changed to avoid edits such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batman_Returns&curid=4728&diff=482551255&oldid=482448740 this diff]. Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 15:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC) What's with this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binary&curid=3823&diff=482521251&oldid=482154849 ? [[User_talk:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] 22:11, 18 March 2012 (UTC) OK. I set up Yobot to skip if only whitespace is changed but this effects edits that whitespace sometimes is really needed. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 22:13, 18 March 2012 (UTC) :Is one of the CHECKWIKI error fixes to fix whitespace? If so, I retract my comment. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 22:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC) ::Removing whitespace inside or around links and/or references for example... Our code is naive. It removes any whitespace before and after general fixes and compares the two versions. If they are the same it skips. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 22:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC) :I also don't see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flint_glass&curid=194033&diff=482558908&oldid=470098060 as helping any. [[User_talk:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] 22:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC) ::I don't know how to avoid this one. It's whitespace and interwiki move. Moreover, the edit of the hatnote triggers the hatnote procedure. I don't expect many of this though. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 22:20, 18 March 2012 (UTC) : Just saw [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digital_signature&diff=482739995&oldid=481953049 this edit]. Perhaps the "did anything useful change?" check needs to run before bypassing template redirects? <s>Why is it even bypassing arbitrary template redirects?</s> <small>I see, someone arbitrarily added it to [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Template redirects]]. That has got to be one of the most-abused things around.</small> [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 22:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC) :"Further" was re-purposed that's why I updated the Template Redirects list. I asked for making redirects bypassing optional. I hope this will happen soon. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC) *https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Compact&curid=39350&diff=482953626&oldid=461925316 and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Copy&curid=40965&diff=482955641&oldid=479832611 - You are reminded that making page edits solely for the purpose of bypassing template redirects may be considered "trivial editing", and therefore contravene the AWB rules of use. Normally you should not make page edits just to bypass redirects unless there is an agreed need to do it. I suggest you refrain from this kind of editing until improvements can be made to AWB to prevent these trivial changes occurring. [[User_talk:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] 12:41, 21 March 2012 (UTC) ::Check my reply above. A little patient and in the future there will be no such problems. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 14:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC) :::A little bit stopping now. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flash&curid=39170&diff=483248013&oldid=478255419 and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flagstaff&curid=47718&diff=483247844&oldid=464630336 are other meaningless edits. Under what BRFA is the bot editing? [[User_talk:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] 00:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC) ::::[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 16 |BRFA 16]] to fix [[WP:CHECKWIKI|CHECKWIKI]] error 61 (references after punctuation) and more. There were 110k pages with unknown status since 2010 (i.e. old list). I thought running Yobot in the first 30k entries which I obtained fro the server almost manually (I loaded 600 pages with 500 items each manually and saved them in a single file) would be efficient. Obsiously is not. I forced emptied the list and hopefully the new entries will all really contain this error. http://toolserver.org/~sk/cgi-bin/checkwiki/checkwiki.cgi?project=enwiki&view=only&id=61 -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC) :::::I have reviewed BRFA 61. It does not permit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Filter&diff=prev&oldid=483244966 or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fokker&diff=prev&oldid=483249556 or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fermion&diff=prev&oldid=483242995 as such Yobot is editing outside of approval. You are repeatedly ignoring requests and demands to stop editing. [[User_talk:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] 22:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC) :::::Can I make a suggestion? Don't edit with AWB if AWB can't keep it's hands away from making meaningless edits. [[User_talk:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] 23:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC) :I have to say I agree with Josh. These aren't time sensitive fixes: and if we learnt anything from the Smackbot experience, it's that trivial changes are really, really worth avoiding. So I think it really would be worth not running the bot until the percentage of trivial edits gets far closer to 0 than it seems to be at present. It'll only end in tears otherwise. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 23:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC) ::The number of pages fixed compared to the pages than nothing really happens is much bigger than 1 or 2 years ago. AWB reached 8000+ revisions full f bugs fixes and logic improvement. Imagine how was the situation 2000 revisions ago in January 2010. Thanks to mass editing I was able to spot and fix dozens of bugs in a time much faster than expected. The feature of redirect bypassing is rather new and is still a subject of improvement. I am always here fixing bugs, improving, discussing, reporting every single problem. I am also reporting bugs to other applications or projects like HOTCAT and CHECKWIKI. I only beg for some patient. I wouldn't like to abandon bot editing completely due to a (small) number of cases. Yes, the number is small compared to the number of important fixes. The next time we get a new database dump there will be dozens of thousands edits on (semi)important issues. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 17:28, 23 March 2012 (UTC) :::Sure, it's got better, but you're still dicing with death. If you just waited for the improvements to be made first, then performed the bot edits, then we could avoid all the stressiness that results every time a bot make trivial edits. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 17:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC) ::::If I waited most of the improvements would never have been done. Most of them are complains about my bot :) It's true I get a lot of stress everytime someone stops or especially blocks my bot and I don't know if it's worth because I have to admit it damaged my health a bit. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 17:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC) == Changes to My Grandfather's Page? == Hi, Mag. I was checking out my grandfather's page (Mike Sebastian) and I noticed that you had made some changes. I don't have a problem with any changes you made but I was curious as to what your interest may have been? Thanks, Mike Sebastian III <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ms33|Ms33]] ([[User talk:Ms33|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ms33|contribs]]) 15:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == Error in AWB 8032 == {{Resolved}} I just jumped from AWB 8000 to 8032. I'm getting an error with the code [[User:Yobot/Task 17]]. :Error is "Line 95, col 52 No overload for method 'MakeHumanCatKey' takes '1' argument. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 04:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC) ::Code updated by Rjw. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 19:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC) :::Thank you to the both of you. Well, just to Magioladitis. Rjwilmsi is a bot, so it doesn't having feelings. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 20:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC) ::::LOL. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) ===References outside parentheses=== :::::While I remember... I don't know if this is possible, but have AWB move <nowiki><ref></nowiki> after a ). I see this most of in birth/death date in the lead of an article. Example: (May 1, 2000 - May 30, 2050<nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki>) :::::There could be complications if there are more than one ref inside the parentheses and I'm probably missing some unintended consequences. Is this doable to where I should file a bug/feature report? [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 20:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC) :::::::Can you please provide an example of what should AWB do in this case? -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 21:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC) ::::::::(May 1, 2000 - May 30, 2050<nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki>)&nbsp; --> &nbsp;(May 1, 2000 - May 30, 2050)<nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki> ::::::::An example page is [[Claes Malmberg]] [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 22:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC) :::::::::Um, just TPS-ing here, but why would you want to do that? I used refs inside brackets all the time to illustrate that the reference specifically cites the content inside the brackets, such as birth/death date. Why would you change that? Maybe I misunderstand though, it's late and I'm tired :) - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 23:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC) ::::::::::Link: [[Wikipedia:REFPUNC#cite_note-3]]. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 23:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC) :::::::::::If I'm reading it correctly, it says to put the ref outside the parentheses except "it may on rare occasion be more appropriate to place the number inside the closing parenthesis". Also says the only time to put a ref before a punctuation mark is the dash. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 23:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC) ::::::::::::"on rare occasion" is enough for the bot not to be doing it. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 17:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC) :::::::::::::Where in the world was bot ever mentioned? It wasn't. We are talking about manual edits with AWB. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 05:07, 25 March 2012 (UTC) ::::::::::::::That's my fault for misunderstanding, sorry. I saw Yobot mentioned and assumed you were reusing the code as a bot. but would you really move the ref outside of the birthdate/deathdate brackets? Surely it's better left inside the brackets. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 14:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC) ← ← ← # It is per MOS via [[Wikipedia:REFPUNC#cite_note-3]] that the reference be moved outside the parentheses. # I see it most as this: (May 1900 - June 1950^[[1]]) &nbsp;&nbsp; Where the ref applies to both the birthdate and deathdate. This is really egregious because of the dash... MOS says the ref is only for the deathdate and it appears that there is no ref for the birthdate. With the ref outside the parentheses, it covers both dates. # The birth/death date is not the only place it happens as it can be anywhere throughout the body of the text. In the body, it is usually text and not dates inside the parentheses. It is very hard to spot manually, so I rarely catch it. On a side note, you would think I could spell "parentheses" after typing it in so many time. Egads, I'll never get it right. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 05:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC) ::I have to say I disagree. "Where a reference or other footnote applies only to material within a parenthetical phrase, placing the tag within the closing parenthesis may be appropriate". I mean, basically I read your example differently, taking the citation to apply to the whole contents of the brackets. I can't find where in the in MOS it says that that presentation implies the cite applies only to the deathdate. I assume it hinges on your interpretation of "dash" in WP:REFPUNC, which I have always taken to exclude range dashes (and hence leaving only parenthetical ones). I use spellcheck :) - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 09:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC) :::Please note '''may be''' appropriate. It doesn't say always. It is appropriate in the example given because one ref is for Japanese text and the other for the Korean text... (Korean: 김정은;{{Dummy ref|10}} Hanja: 金正恩{{Dummy ref|11}}) It is also appropriate when a ref is used for birthdate and another is used for deathdate. (May 1900 - June 1950^[[1]]) :::Nowhere is there a rule that says ''always'' inside a parenthesis. Nowhere is there a rule that says never outside. I quote, "The rule is the reference ''follows'' the closing parenthesis, but there are rare exceptions..." The exceptions are given in the examples above. The exceptions are your ''maybe'' quote. I don't know how more clearly one can state "follows the closing parenthesis". [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 20:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC) ::::I've always read that to mean in most cases, the reference will refer to the contents of the brackets ''and'' other content, so should be outside the brackets. I could be wrong though. - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 20:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC) == Yobot and 'Art' == Is there a way to stop yobot from removing the [[guillemets]] in the French title of [['Art']] (in two of the references)? They are actually part of the title of the play. It has done it three times now. Thanks --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC) == Synchro seems awfully specific for a partner field == {{Resolved}} I have made some suggestions at [[Template talk:Infobox sportsperson#partner and formerpartner]]. we should make this applicable to other sports with partners. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 20:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC) :Yes, I agree. Go ahead and I'll update the pages if needed. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC) ::Now it's fixed. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 12:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC) == Template:Redirectshere == {{Resolved}} Just out of curiosity… Who exactly was the “One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page” at [[Template:Redirectshere]]? Thanks --[[User:Mormegil|Mormegil]] ([[User talk:Mormegil|talk]]) 21:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC) :In the talk page (which I deleted too) [[User:Cuddly Panda|Cuddly Panda]] the editor who created that page requested to be deleted back in... 2007 as a duplicate of "redirect". I wonder why nobody noticed. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 21:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC) == Infobox Journalist or Person? == {{Resolved}} Hi, thanks for correcting some of my mistakes. For future record, is "journalist" a valid infobox type? --[[User:Salimfadhley|Salimfadhley]] ([[User talk:Salimfadhley|talk]]) 23:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC) :Infobox journalist is only a redirect of Infobox person. Journalists use infobox person now. Prefer to use Infobox person. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 10:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC) == Template:Wikify == Can I please ask you to look at [[Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature_requests#Request_to_change_rules_to_add.2Fremove_Wikify_tag|this]] and give your opinion on the change? This issue originally came up last August, and has [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikify/Drives/2012/March_Mini#Not_looking_good|popped up again]]. [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]] [[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Talk'''</span>]]^·[[Special:Contributions/Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Contribs'''</span>]] 12:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :Is there a consensus to the "not add wikify to stubs"? Can you please add it to the template's manual? Moreover, what we do if there is a wikify tag in a stub with no parameters?-- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 13:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC) ::I'm not saying there is consensus to completely not add {{tl|wikify}} to stubs, so the template's manual doesn't apply. I'm saying that AWB shouldn't offer the option, since most people won't check if it's really needed. If they want to add it manually with Twinkle, that's another thing. However, the algorithm AWB uses to add {{tl|wikify}} really doesn't apply to stubs. If a stub has been tagged with {{tl|wikify}}, just leave it. It isn't hurting, especially if it was added manually. Personally, I don't think AWB should be removing {{tl|wikify}} tags at all but that's a completely separate discussion. [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]] [[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Talk'''</span>]]^·[[Special:Contributions/Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Contribs'''</span>]] 13:30, 24 March 2012 (UTC) {{od}} So is this change possible? Is there another place I should ask? [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]] [[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Talk'''</span>]]^·[[Special:Contributions/Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Contribs'''</span>]] 21:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC) ::I have this problem in mind already. I think [[Template talk:Wikify]] is the best place to discuss. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 12:52, 8 April 2012 (UTC) :::I don't mean to be a d*ck, but do you have any actual objections to this? I don't think there's anything to discuss at TT:Wikify. This change would not modify {{tl|wikify}}, and we already have consensus from the people who would comment there (the original discussions from months ago). Seriously, is there a better place to ask? I understand you are busy, so if I should go to someone else... [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]] [[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Talk'''</span>]]^·[[Special:Contributions/Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Contribs'''</span>]] 16:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC) ::::I agree with you in fact but the problem I noticed with wikify is that there was never an actual standard when to add or remove. I informed the other devs about your comment here but they are hesitating to implement it because so far we were just implementing everything we were asked to and the result was to change the wikify criteria many times. I also asked for options to disactivate wikify tag/untag but nobody implemented yet and I am not an expert programmer. I ensure if I could do it myself I would have already done. I think we need a stable consensus on the matter of wikifycation. I tried in the past by participating in the transformation of the template and by creating more explicit templates but there is still work to be done. I think the main problem in not that we have many or few articles with tags but that we don't know what to actually do with them. I wish I could participate more and help on that. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 09:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC) :::::<small>Sorry for the delay in responding.</small> I understand your concerns about the non-existent standard; that's one of the biggest issues with {{tl|wikify}} and creates constant problems. However, I think that [[Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature requests#Request to change rules to add.2Fremove Wikify tag|this change]] will help to solidify exactly what we are talking about. A lot of people believe that wikification either ''just'' refers to a lack of links or can be put on any article that looks vaguely bad. Unfortunately, AWB somewhat furthers the first idea because of the algorithm it uses (it only takes links into consideration). What this means is that articles that already are properly wikified get the template because they don't have enough links. Obviously this is especially prevalent with stubs, so we have proposed that stubs don't get the wikify tag at all. There are other ways to add {{tl|wikify}} (Twinkle, manually), so this isn't ''that'' big a deal. Until AWB takes more then just links into the equation though, I don't believe it can accurately judge the wikification of stubs. :::::Now, who exactly are the other devs? You don't have to tell me, of course, but I've come to you since you're the only editor I know who helps with the backstage work of AWB. [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]] [[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Talk'''</span>]]^·[[Special:Contributions/Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Contribs'''</span>]] 14:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC) :::::I think the best is to leave a wake up comment in [[Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser]] and also contact [[User:Rjwilmsi]] and [[User:Reedy]]. I share many of your concerns. Maybe during the summer I will be able to help more on the direction f improving both the wikify tag and the AWB algorithm. In fact, these are two items in my to-do list for this year. Unfortunately, some things go slow in Wikipedia. The community acted very fast for some cleanup tags but not for all. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 17:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC) ::::::Alright, thanks for your help! I'll post an invitation for a general "AWB and {{tl|wikify}}" discussion there later on. Again, much appreciated. [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]] [[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Talk'''</span>]]^·[[Special:Contributions/Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold">^Contribs'''</span>]] 13:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC) == AWB edits == What is the motivation for edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ronald_Jensen&diff=483725382&oldid=438615509]? According to your contribs you have made 50 edits in the last 5m10s, which seems like an amazing edit rate to be checking all the edits. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 20:32, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :This one [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ronald_Jensen&diff=483725382&oldid=438615509] actually broke something: by removing a space you left two words touching each other. The article was fine before you edited it... &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 20:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :Give me a minute to check them. I tried to normalise the infoboxes about persons. I finished with scientists. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :There was no space before neither. I added the space now. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC) ::There was a space, because the space in the link acts like one: [[link]][[ salad]] has the same output as [[link]] [[salad]]. Also the infobox on that article is fine and does not need to be "normalized". It is not appropriate to edits large numbers of article solely to bypass redirects. Your most recent edits all appeared to be bypassing the same Football infobox, for example, which is not an appropriate use of AWB. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 20:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :::Using the original name will enable me to run and remove image_size from pages with no images in infobox, move images inside the infobox, add birth and death dates. There are 100+ infoboxes and dozens of redirects. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC) ::::The Football one you were replacing has about 3500 transclusions [http://toolserver.org/~jarry/templatecount/index.php?lang=en&name=Template%3AInfobox+Football+biography#bottom] - far too many to go through and just change them all on a whim. Also, there is no problem with having image_size without an image anyway, it has no effect. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 20:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :::::Until someone adds an image and forgets the old image_size or even worse the old caption (Yes, I've seen some of those). -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC) ::::::That is their responsibility, though. Also, bypassing redirects is unrelated to this, since you can edit the infoboxes (assuming you have bot approval...) without bypassing them. Just treat every redirect to an infobox as another infobox template. But you cannot edit thousands of pages without bot approval just to bypass the rediects. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 20:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC) I am sure that you '''know''' that edits such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ringerfan23/Mark_Dell&diff=483740244&oldid=440606321] violate the AWB rules of use, which do not permit AWB edits that only bypass redirects. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 20:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :Check by RfD. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:58, 24 March 2012 (UTC) ::and... wait! I didn't use awb! -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:59, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :::If the template is at RFD it should not be orphaned before the RFD is closed. I realize the edit didn't have an AWB edit summary, but I wanted to point it out. Here are a few other recent edits you made with AWB that break the rule: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roddy_McEachrane&diff=prev&oldid=483737008] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrick_Ntsoelengoe&diff=prev&oldid=483736948] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mamadou_Bagayoko&diff=prev&oldid=483736856]. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 21:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC) ::::all of them would need to have their parameter names updated soon. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :::::I have no idea what you mean about updating parameter names, but I am sure it can be done without violating the AWB rules. For example, once you get bot approval to change the parameter names, you can simply do that without changing the redirect used to load the infobox. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 21:24, 24 March 2012 (UTC) == Multiple similar RfDs == Hello! Next time you would want to nominate several redirects for the same rationale, please nominate them under the common section using {{tl|rfd2}} for the first and {{tl|rfd2m}} for consequent nominations. See details at [[WP:RFD#HOWTO]]. — [[User:Czarkoff|Dmitrij D. Czarkoff]] ([[User talk:Czarkoff|talk]]) 21:20, 24 March 2012 (UTC) :Thanks for the heads up. Multiple RfDs was always a mystery for me. :) -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 21:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC) == AWB revision 8039 == Hey Magio, if you svn up and build yourself a version of AWB after rev 8039, you'll find a new Skip option "Only cosmetic changes are made", designed to avoid making edits when interwikis are moved, template redirects, etc. (to be used in addition to whitespace and casing). Do try it out, and tell me any bugs you find. In particular, see if it slows editing down particularly. Regards, - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 21:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC) Hi Jarry! Thanks for your contributions to the code. I get a bug immediatelly after trying to start processing the first article of my list: [[Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#UriFormatException_in_AsyncApiEdit.CallEvent]]. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC) :Mea culpa. Should be fixed in r8043. Try now :) - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 19:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC) ::Thanks! I'll give it a try. Btw, I would like to give an example where the rendered page is the same but the code readability changes: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herbert_Eustis_Winlock&diff=484229018&oldid=484228798]. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 19:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC) :::That falls squarely under COSMETICBOT IMHO - nice to have, but shouldn't be the sole change in any given edit. Do you disagree? - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 21:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC) ::::Improving code readability is not a small issue and it should be underestimated. Moreover, I noticed that this skip option will limit Yobot not to fix some CHECKWIKI errors or even not fix things already fixed by FrescoBot. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 16:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC) :::::Can you give tangible examples? I'm sympathetic on the code readability front, but I'm quite happy with what COSMETICBOT say at the moment i.e. that bots should not solely be improving code readability with any given edit. In other words, there are going to be some CHECKWIKI problems which cannot be used as the basis for a bot run (but ''can'' be tagged on at the end), and others which can be used as the core of an edit. Surely the latter category is enough t keep you busy for a few months at least? - [[User:Jarry1250|Jarry1250]]&nbsp;^{[''[[User_talk:Jarry1250|Deliberation]] [[Special:Contributions/Jarry1250|needed]]'']} 16:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC) :Was the appropriate option checked for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sir_Andrew_Murray&diff=prev&oldid=484401637 this edit with r8041], or is another rev required? [[User_talk:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] 10:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC) ::8043 will fix this. I 'll check as soon as I have some free time. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 14:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC) ::I need Reedy to build this for me. Right now my laptop is out of order. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 16:59, 1 April 2012 (UTC) :::http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/AutoWikiBrowser5311_rev8047.zip - is that a built one? [[User_talk:Josh Parris|Josh Parris]] 02:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC) ::::Cool! Thanks. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 07:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC) I loaded 500 pages with "skip if only cosmetic chnages are made". Let's see the results. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 08:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC) :I just added "skip if whitespace/casing is changed" as suggested. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 08:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC) There are still complains by editors (as I was expecting). -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 14:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC) I need a 8050+ revision. Jarry fixed some more. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 07:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC) Today running with 8052. Let's see. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 12:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC) == Nice to meet you == {{resolved}} Hello, I'm a Chinese. Don't worry I can speak English but not very well. But I still want to try to join in English Wikipedia, will you agree? --[[User:2D-2R|2D-2R]] ([[User talk:2D-2R|talk]]) 00:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC) :Of course! Anyone can help the way they can. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 19:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC) Ok! I will do the best I can, thank you for your agree. --[[User:2D-2R|2D-2R]] ([[User talk:2D-2R|talk]]) 00:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC) == Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted == I invite you to the [[mw:Berlin_Hackathon_2012|yearly Berlin hackathon]], 1-3 June. [https://wmberlin.eventbrite.com/ Registration is now open]. If you need financial assistance or help with visa or hotel, then please register by May 1st and mention it in [https://wmberlin.eventbrite.com/ the registration form]. This is the premier event for the MediaWiki and Wikimedia technical community. We'll be hacking, designing, teaching, and socialising, primarily talking about [[mw:ResourceLoader|ResourceLoader]] and Gadgets ([[mw:Gadget kitchen|extending functionality with JavaScript]]), the switch to [[mw:Lua scripting|Lua for templates]], [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata Wikidata], and [[mw:Wikimedia Labs|Wikimedia Labs]]. We want to bring 100-150 people together, including lots of people who have not attended such events before. User scripts, gadgets, API use, Toolserver, Wikimedia Labs, mobile, structured data, templates -- if you are into any of these things, we want you to come! I also thought you might want to know about [[mw:MediaWiki developer meetings|other upcoming events]] where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, how to best use the [[mw:API|web API]] for bots, and various upcoming features and changes. We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing. Check out the the [[wm2012:Hackathon|developers' days preceding Wikimania in July in Washington, DC]] and [[mw:MediaWiki developer meetings|our other events]]. Best wishes! - [[mw:User:Sumanah|Sumana Harihareswara]], Wikimedia Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator. Please reply on my talk page, here or [[mw:User talk:Sumanah|at mediawiki.org]]. [[mw:User:Sumanah|Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Volunteer Development Coordinator]] 02:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC) ==Template talk:Infobox military person== If you have a chance, would you please respond to the header size and new parameter requests at [[Template talk:Infobox military person]]. Thanks. -- [[User:Uzma Gamal|Uzma Gamal]] ([[User talk:Uzma Gamal|talk]]) 04:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC) == Nasdaq template == {{Resolved}} Although I hesitate to do these things, I have undone your unilateral and inappropriate orphaning of the nasdaq2 template. First, it is disingenuous to orphan a template yourself and then immediately nominate it for deletion with the justification that it is orphaned. That gives a false impression that the template was orphaned naturally which will bias the deletion vote, and orphaning the templat prematurely prejudges the outcome of the discussion. A bot will orphan the template itself after a successful TFD. Second, many of the edits you made were patent violations of the AWB rules against using AWB for the purpose of bypassing redirects. I know that I have raised both of these issue with you before, while refraining for undoing those edits. However, as you have continued to perform these tasks, I am willing to use my editorial discretion under WP:BRD to undo them. You need to have consensus ''before'' you make any more of these large-scale AWB runs to orphan templates. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 15:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC) I reverted most of your edits since they were blind undoes only to upset me. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC) :There seems to be a consensus to use original name of a template when it's simplier than the redirect. This redirect is only the result of an incomplete move. Everything I sent for deletion in the past of this kind was deleted by consensus. Next time ask before act. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alteon_WebSystems&diff=486266682&oldid=486266441] This show that they were not only blind undoes but you also restored something that the Manual of Style says it should not be done. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC) :I have opened a thread at ANI [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Magioladitis_abusing_AWB_and_edit_warring]. Actually, I tried preserve the case change, but apparently I undid the edits twice. But blond undos are perfectly acceptable given that the edits themselves were blindly made with AWB, and could easily be made again with AWB without bypassing the templates. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 15:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC) ::I replied to your ANi already. It seems you try to cause drama and this not the first time. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spacelabs_Healthcare&diff=486266456&oldid=486228167] I did this edit manually to standardise the Hatnote. It seems you didn't notice that neither. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC) Nasdaq2 has been deleted via RfD like all other xxxx2 redirects. It's nice to see that it has been deleted even it was not orphan and that the community supported the deletion. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC) == Yobot tagging dab page as stub == Hallo, Yobot added {{tl|stub}} to [[L. aromatica]], presumably not recognising the specialised dab template of {{tl|Species Latin name abbreviation disambiguation}}. (Or maybe it's a nonstandard dab template which isn't registered in some list of dab templates...). [[User:PamD|<font color="green">'''''Pam'''''</font>]][[User talk:PamD|<font color="brown">'''''D'''''</font>]] 15:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC) :I can easily fix this. Thanks for the report. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 15:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC) == [[WP:OTHERDATE]] Fixes == If your going to fix 'en dash' issues on articles, how about you fix them all and not just one of them... The 'fixes' you've done to the following pages have done nothing except make the tables look non-uniform due to the date formats now being different throughout the tables. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burry_Port_Lifeboat_Station&curid=27888036&diff=487221316&oldid=486662913] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barry_Dock_Lifeboat_Station&curid=27682072&diff=487220666&oldid=486662385] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Porthcawl_Lifeboat_Station&curid=27693220&diff=487214712&oldid=486662615] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Port_Talbot_Lifeboat_Station&curid=27701214&diff=487214645&oldid=486662676] Can I suggest you look into this and either fix all of the'' 'dash' to 'en dash' ''s or none of them? Thanks - [[User:Happysailor|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''Happysailor'''</span>]] [[User talk:Happysailor|^{<span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span>}]] 19:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the heads up. I'll ask [[User:Rjwilmsi]] who implemented this procedure for a comment. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 19:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC) == Nomination of [[History and branches of Judaism]] for deletion == <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|42px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[History and branches of Judaism]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]]. The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History and branches of Judaism ]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">koavf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 08:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC) == Checkwiki error 16 == Find Unicode control characters. This could be a problem inside a template. It's easily fixed AutoEd, but difficult by hand. AWB doesn't fix this error yet. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 21:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC) Random notes for me: #AutoEd seems not to handle [[Jainism in the United States]], [[Slavic peoples]] correctly. #It turns that we need a combination of AutoEd and AWB to clean up a page 100%. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 22:05, 15 April 2012 (UTC) == changes to page == {{resolved}} Re: Peter Proctor. Oops. I slipped up. Did not intend to delete out categories while doing changes to this page in my sandbox, to avoid cluttering up the history. Anyway, I have reverted to my version, while reinserting your changes (I hope). Feel free to edit this page, but please do not revert. [[User:Nucleophilic|Nucleophilic]] ([[User talk:Nucleophilic|talk]]) 19:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC) :I fixed the categories again.-- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC) == Beatles infobox == There is a straw poll taking place [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Beatles#Straw_Poll_III here], and your input would be appreciated. [[User:GabeMc| — GabeMc]] ([[User talk:GabeMc|talk]]) 01:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC) == AWB access == {{resolved}} Just wondeering but do I need to do anything special to get my AWB access restored. I have started to muck about again, not sure for how long or how much I am going to do yet but I was going to just live without it but I have found that editing without it to be too timeconsuming and too much of a hassle. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 19:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC) :Your AWB access [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAutoWikiBrowser%2FCheckPage&diff=489362742&oldid=489317722 has been restored] by [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]]. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC) == CHECKWIKI == It's interesting to remark that the number of pages with CHECKWIKI errors goes up and down which means that editors do fix these errors. I wonder if the solely do it or they do more stuff at the the same time. I am almost sure that there editors who solely fix CHECKWIKI errors judging by the number of editors who participate in the project. So then why only prohibit Yobot from doing this task? Doing this task by a bot is better since the edit can be hidden, it contains less risk of human error and helps AWB's code improve. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC) :I personally have used AWB manually to solely fix CHECHWIKI errors. So, count me in as one of "those" editors. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 21:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC) == Template redirects == '''Remark:''' I keep removing tempplate redirects from AWB's page while many editors keep adding. This means specific redirect skipping has partial(?) consensus in the community and I am not the one who forces redirect skipping. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 20:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC) ==Italics== There appear to be only about 1590 articles using the deprecated italics mark-up. I think it would be worthwhile trying to get some consensus to improve the readability of wikicode, since this is barrier to entry,and a lot of this minor stuff could be cleared away with little or no problem. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>08:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC).</small><br /> :Where is this list? I could probably help on that. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 17:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC) == A neat new gadget you might find useful == I recently asked on Village pump (technical) if someone could write a script that would allow the corresponding talk page or main page to be displayed when viewing articles in a category. [[User:Equazcion]] was kind enough to build it. The script can be found [[User:Equazcion/CatListMainTalkLinks|here]]. The script also shows in red if the corresponding page has not been created yet. I have found it to be very useful and wanted to share it. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 13:58, 2 May 2012 (UTC) == Lock on Prince Ludwig Rudolph of Hanover == {{resolved}} Please remove the lock on the [[Prince Ludwig Rudolph of Hanover]] article. The dispute to which you referred on the talk page when you locked the page was resolved many months ago: the chief disputant, [[User:Clumpytree|Clumpytree]], was indefinitely blocked from editing Wikipedia in September 2011. Thanks. [[User:FactStraight|FactStraight]] ([[User talk:FactStraight|talk]]) 08:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC) :{{done-t}} Good luck and happy editing! -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 09:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC) ==[[User:Magioladitis/AWB_and_CHECKWIKI]]== {{resolved}} 89, 90 and 91 are no longer relevant to en:wp. All the best. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>12:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC).</small><br /> :Updated. Cheers, [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 09:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC) == Sort key for Asian names == In case Yobot gets approved again, please fix the DEFAULTSORT that it picks for Asian names; [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jiao_Liuyang&diff=423836663&oldid=408041383 this] was wrong. There were two clues that it could have used to determine the family name: the {{tl|Chinese name}} template, and the 'Listas' parameter on the talk page, which is used by Defaultsortbot e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jiao_Liuyang&diff=295867067&oldid=289559011 here]. (I looked through the archive in case this issue had come up already, but didn't see it.) – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic <font color="#FF0000">'''L'''</font>ondon]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|(talk)]] 19:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC) :You are talking about a year-old edit. The latest version of AWB had this change made, "Improve DEFAULTSORT generation using <nowiki>{{X name}}</nowiki> templates from [[:Category:Surname clarification templates]]". Also, listas is not a good judge as to what defaultsort should be and visa versa. The number of editors who are not aware of all the sorting rules runs around 100% of all editors. I wrote the book ([[WP:NAMESORT]]) on some of the sorting rules and I don't have clue on some names. The number of Chinese articles, with manual edits and the wrong order for defaultsort or listas, is high. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 21:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC) ::I reported this as an [[Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs/Archive_20#DEFAULTSORT.2FPersondata_addition_and_surname_clarification_templates|AWB bug]] in February, and it was fixed in March. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 23:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC) :::OK, thank you both, keep up the good work! – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic <font color="#FF0000">'''L'''</font>ondon]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|(talk)]] 07:41, 10 May 2012 (UTC) == Request for unblock user == {{resolved}} I agree that the behaviour of [[User:Pyraechmes|Pyraechmes]] in Greek Wikipedia shows clearly that this user is no longer the same person who was banned. I support the request to unblock him. Please notify me if an opinion is needed elsewhere. --[[User:FocalPoint|FocalPoint]] ([[User talk:FocalPoint|talk]]) 20:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC) :Editor unblocked. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 09:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC) == You've got Email == I sent you an Email. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 00:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC) == Infobox comics creator == Instead of immediately reverting a change that didn't break anything, you could've asked what the stuff you didn't understand means first. It was copied directly out of {{tl|Infobox writer}}. What it does is, if someone adds, for example, "????" or "19??" for a birthdate, it displays "date of birth unknown" rather than the input gibberish. It's actually a pretty simple switch, if you take the time to read it. <span style="padding:0 .75ex;font-variant:small-caps;background-color:#fdd;">[[User:Curly Turkey|<b><span style="color:#520;">C</span><span style="color:#f60;">üRly</span><span style="color:#040;">T</span><span style="color:#090;">üRkey</span></b>]]<small><sup style="margin-left:1.5ex;">[[User_talk:Curly Turkey|Talk]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-5ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Curly Turkey|Contribs]]</sub></small></span> 23:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC) :Thanks for letting me know. In fact I didn't just revert your edit but I proposed a solution that I thought it's better. I don't have strong feelings on this switch you added but I would prefer if infobxes stayed clean and simple at least until we find a way to treat them alltogether with the same manner. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 23:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC) ::Sorry, I'd seen your revert of my change, but before you added back in the birth name. That ended up re-breaking the box, which I thought was pretty drastic for having added "things which [you] dont understand". <span style="padding:0 .75ex;font-variant:small-caps;background-color:#fdd;">[[User:Curly Turkey|<b><span style="color:#520;">C</span><span style="color:#f60;">üRly</span><span style="color:#040;">T</span><span style="color:#090;">üRkey</span></b>]]<small><sup style="margin-left:1.5ex;">[[User_talk:Curly Turkey|Talk]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-5ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Curly Turkey|Contribs]]</sub></small></span> 23:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC) :::My aplogies for the edit summary. I meant that I don't see the need of the switches. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis#top|talk]]) 07:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC) == A cup of coffee for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:A small cup of coffee.JPG|120px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hey, thanks for [[Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#XmlException_in_PluginManager.LoadSettingsNewWay_2|your help]] with AWB. I installed the latest version and now no more error message. Cheers. ~~~~ |}'