Talk:State of Palestine
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Picture in the "Art, Music, and Clothing" Section
editUnder the 'Art, music, and clothing' Section there is a picture of 'Palestinian children in their traditional dress'. The picture itself was taken in London (on Oct. 9th 2023), and it is not clear this has anything to do with 'traditional Palestinian clothing'. The picture does contain a political message which is irrelevant to the information discussed in the section, and in addition contains a short manifesto in text when opened "There are more than two million people living there, and this brutal form of collective punishment is clearly a war crime which threatens the lives of all of them...". I suggest deleting this picture or finding a more suitable image which is relevant to the information discussed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by an unspecified IP address
Revert
editThis revert edit wars in the term "Proclaimed capital" in the infobox. The infoboxes for Israel and Palestine in this respect should be identical (as are their leads) as neither claim is recognized and whether Israel occupies Jerusalem has absolutely nothing whatever to do with it. Selfstudier (talk) 20:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 July 2024
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In the "Capital" section of the Infobox, instead of saying "Jerusalem" say "East Jerusalem" as the Palestinian Liberation Organisation claims only East Jerusalem as its capital not the whole of Jerusalem. Zakary2012 (talk) 05:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. GrayStorm(Complaints Dept.|My Contribs.) 05:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Largest city - needs to be fixed
editThe infobox says the largest city in the country is Gaza City, but it is actually East Jerusalem, with 595,000 inhabitants according to the article on it, so that needs to be corrected in the infobox. 2A00:A041:3B9A:AC00:88A6:4340:9DD0:6D05 (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- where in the article does it say that? Slatersteven (talk) 15:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Lede
edit@Astropulse: WP:LEDE is a summary of the body and is not supposed to have any details in it. The burden to achieve consensus is on the inserter of the material per WP:ONUS, not on its remover. Makeandtoss (talk) 07:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Astropulse: I have reverted your revert while we discuss. Please explain your revert further, for example, the restoration of
In 1917, Britain called for a Jewish nation to be created
, which is actually false. Selfstudier (talk) 10:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)- https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/conflict-Palestine
- it says "In 1917, in order to win Jewish support for Britain's First World War effort, the British Balfour Declaration promised the establishment of a Jewish national home in Ottoman-controlled Palestine."
- National Army Museum is the British Army's central museum.
- How is this false? Its already in the reference Astropulse (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Jewish national home is not equal to a Jewish nation. That you are not aware of this and all the arguments around it, is disturbing. Selfstudier (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- I see. right now, i think the flow of information is not great and it was severely shortened by @Makeandtoss People should have some more context Astropulse (talk) 21:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Jewish national home is not equal to a Jewish nation. That you are not aware of this and all the arguments around it, is disturbing. Selfstudier (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
@Selfstudiercan you confirm your reasoning behind recent revert and why you like the current version instead of version july 12 before changes by Makeandtoss Astropulse (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- See my comment above. Selfstudier (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 July 2024
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Please change For other uses of Palestine, see Palestine to For other uses of Palestine, see Palestine (disambiguation) @PadFoot2008. It currently has a link that links to the article itself after the recent moves. AG202 (talk) 15:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Done. Selfstudier (talk) 15:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Recognition recent and historical
editWhy does the article lack mention of recent Norway/Ireland/Spain recognition and earlier ones by other nations ? Why is the Nakba only mentioned and not at all described ? Why are Jews occupying Palestine not listed as resident ? — ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 15:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 July 2024
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Palestine is not a 'country' , it is merely a state. It is not recognized as a country by the UN, although this entry says that it is recognized as a country in this Wikipedia page. If it were a country it would be the 194th. Here is a list of countries recognized by the UN:
Source:[1]
Here is the history:
No where here (UN page) is Palestine listed as a state:
Even Arab news source AlJazeera does not list Palestine as a 'country' :
Source: [6]
"Yet the U.S. alone has consistently blocked the Palestinian territories from being fully recognized as a country – at least symbolically – by preventing them from becoming the 194th member state of the United Nations. Palestine does have the status of being a permanent observer at the U.N. , where it is represented by the Palestinian Authority. Being a permanent observer lets Palestine attend most meetings, but it cannot vote on any international agreements or recommendations." Charlotte240 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — kashmīrī TALK 22:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states#gotoP
- ^ https://www.drake.edu/media/departmentsoffices/dussj/2006-2003documents/PalestineGiridhar.pdf
- ^ https://www.un.org/unispal/history/
- ^ https://lawrecord.com/files/36_Rutgers_L_Rec_186.pdf
- ^ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/22/mapping-which-countries-recognise-palestine-in-2024
- ^ https://menafn.com/1108468301/US-Says-It-Wants-Palestinians-To-Have-A-Country-Of-Their-Own-But-Its-Actions-Say-Otherwise
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 July 2024
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change country to territory. 130.132.173.12 (talk) 21:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
{{Edit extended-protected}}template. Remsense诉 21:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC) - Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — kashmīrī TALK 23:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Non-extendedconfirmed users are excluded from the consensus forming process. It's therefore not possible for them to establish a consensus for a change before or after submitting an edit request. So, I assume Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
{{Edit extended-protected}}responses are not applicable to non-extendedconfirmed users. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Non-extendedconfirmed users are excluded from the consensus forming process. It's therefore not possible for them to establish a consensus for a change before or after submitting an edit request. So, I assume Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the