User talk:Franamax

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Welcome!

Hello, Franamax, welcome Wikipedia! Hope little Franamax like. Here helpful pages:

• Hrair pillars Wikipedia
• Make article
• Help!
• Help, help!
• Make article bigger
• Er... what this for..? How write picky ?

Hope little user enjoy and edit smart like Bishzilla! Please sign talk pages using, er ... many tildes (~~~~) ('zilla can only count to three, regret!), clever automagic feature. If helpless, check out questions wikipedia, ask on 'zilla talk, or put {{helpme}} on own talk, get help soon. Again, welcome! 

Now that's a welcome page, had to steal it myself. Thanks Bishzilla! Franamax 02:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Apology regarding inadvertent revert

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New Section

I am New Sectioning you - and hoping you are well with the season. I enjoyed our Ghadaffi discussion, and the article was improved. xx Wizzy…☎ 21:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Battery Clocks

Couldn't agree more about the cruelty of 'battery clocks'. I don't like the idea of having them tied to the wall by a cable either.
Free range clocks I say! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 04:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Not only that, I've read on some blogs that those cables are used to deliver ELECTRIC SHOCKS! Franamax (talk) 04:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Aha! That explains why those funny cylindrical clock eggs are always so hard, they've been internally hard boiled!. They taste awful anyway!--220.101.28.25 (talk) 17:30, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm torn between responding that I always found those eggs too hard to peel or "Eat them? I thought they were suppositories!!". Franamax (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Southern ocean

Thanks for your involvement - it is appreciated - it seems the talk page of the article has been long a place for some very odd opinions to be voiced - at least catz and bazonka seem to be working it out - and yes being an Australian I can see why and how you outsiders might wonder :) SatuSuro 11:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

IP 65.25.179.39

You done real good. IP appears to be single-handely trying to create an entertainment background for Vanessa Bell-Gentles, and to a lessor extent, Curtis Blake. Considering the "insistance" of the vandalism, it might continue after the block expires. Worth watching. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Have performed more cleanup. For Ms Bell-Gentles, if she even exists, the IP seemed to include "Anaclair" as part of her character name in dozens of projects. I think I got 'em all. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the work. The block expires 19:12 14Jan10 UTC. Any further edits of this kind should be met with one request for explanation and if the edits happen again beyond reasonable time after the time of your warning (the second edit after the warning if in close proximity) - request a further block please, AIV, ANI or here. Again, thanks! Franamax (talk) 05:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:Related information

I think I have now responded to all the objections (even the silly ones). I would appreciate you taking a look at it with a fresh eye and changing whatever you believe should be changed to make the essay more effective. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 04:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits on Ludwig Wenzel Lachnith

Dear user Franamax, Thank you for reviewing the Lachnith page created by me. I do concur with some of your edits, but not with all of them. I stated my case on the Lachnith talk page. Cheers! Thomas W. Jefferson (talk) 21:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

RFC/U

Hi Franamax. All to angst has become moot since Michael H 34 has returned to editing. I have posted the RFC/U here [1], in case you care to comment.--Slp1 (talk) 15:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

National Ignition Facility

I would like to further discuss the deletion of what I know to be untrue material that is considered to be confidential. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsure (talk • contribs) 20:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Added heading, replied at article talk page. Franamax (talk) 07:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Feedback requested

Hi. :) I'm working on the Craigy144 cleanup, and I need opinions on whether or not the paraphrasing at Elizabeth Seymour, Duchess of Somerset rises to the level of copyright concern (no doubt it's plagiarism, but as you know copyvio requires different and somewhat more aggressive treatment). Would you mind taking a look? I'm also asking User:Tagishsimon and User:Charles Matthews their thoughts. Some of mine are at that article's talk page. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Fitznells Manor

Thanks for the help with this. Would using gallery tags for the diagrams work better than the existing code? I haven't tried it, but it would make the diagrams a little bigger and easier to see. BTW I have nominated this for a DYK, see Template talk:Did you know#Fitznells Manor. – ukexpat (talk) 22:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

ANI

Let me know what you find out from that user about that weird edit on ANI. I'm starting to think that these two are just trolling and aren't actually here to be productive. See User talk:Neptunerover for more insight on these two. Frmatt (talk) 23:07, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see a connection. Beyond looks productive, though quite possibly a fresh-start or maybe an incredibly quick learner. For instance they wikilinked the "illegitimati non carborundum" phrase, then evidently looked at the article and went on an edit-spree to fix it up. That's what I do too, link an article to answer a question, then read the article, fix some typos, then find the big problems and start working on them too. Looks pretty standard to me and their advice to Neptune is good. The gibberish thing, yeah needs to be fixed. Is there a further connection between these account edits I'm not seeing? Franamax (talk) 00:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm kinda going back and forth (in my own mind) about whether they're working together with Beyond enabling Neptune, but then Beyond goes and makes a productive comment that makes everything I've thought redundant...don't worry about it, I was concerned because of the weird edit but I'm going to AGF and mark it as a computer glitch of some type! I'm not seeing much of a connection either, was just the talk page interaction that made me wonder, so no biggie. (but I am still curious about that weird edit if you find anything out!) Frmatt (talk) 00:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Well if it's just the latest bit, no, not a problem. I tried to interact with Neptune in a positive way, he mentioned a phrase from a U2 album which I'm quite familiar with, I tracked it down within all of 5 minutes and poked Neptune because he could have spent those 5 mins instead of me. Editing tends to occur in flurries on Wikipedia, Beyond pointed out the origin of the phrase (which ranks up there with "semper ubi sub ubi" as a not-really-Latin phrase) and seems to be the origin of the U2 lyrics. Sometimes you can reach an editor by being light-hearted, sometimes not. Sometimes you can reach an editor by demonstrating that the soul of Wikipedia is sources, sometimes not. IMO it's always worth a try to reach out and include people in the group, so long as they accept what it means to work within a group. 'Tis all good from what I see. If the ANI edit was vandalism, man that was pretty painstaking vandalism!! It was much more likely incompatibility between character sets on the browser, a burp in the transmission, perhaps cosmic rays, several million of which have passed through my CPU since I started typing this. No big issue, though I've asked Beyond to keep track of garbly edit results for future resolution. Franamax (talk) 01:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

pardon me

Well excuse me if I didn't curtsy before the Queen. She was begging the question. There's a very intricate web here of people practicing to deceive. --Neptunerover (talk) 17:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

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Recent Edits.

Apologies for the mistake in removing the coprighted info in the article Big Dee Irwwin. I have been quite tired recently, and probably picked up on my mistakes when editing, my bad. Anyway, i try help out as much as possible, i guess a little of my inexpirance is showing through. I'll try and do some more when i get the time. Been quite busy recently. Nath1991 (talk) 04:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:Alternative outlets

Hi Franamax - re. your recent comments on the Help Desk, you might be interested in WP:Alternative outlets. Gonzonoir (talk) 10:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! That's a typically bloated wiki-page but it does have a subset there of external projects. Franamax (talk) 10:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

computer-colored snow crystals, magnified by a low-temperature scanning electron microscope.

Sometimes, copyright stuff can feel overwhelming to me, and things get pretty dark in the land of WP:CCI. This morning, I've been feeling very close to burnout. But as I am pausing in reviewing an older one to check my watchlist, I happened to notice you busily at work on a newer one...thereby reminding me that I am not alone and all is not dark and horrible. So, thanks. Light in the darkness and all that. (And I think I might not be able to bear it were it to prove that HECTOP MAXHO did not create this image. Talk about a raspberry from the universe....) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know which portent is more ominous, that as I brought up my first article of the day for investigation it had an orange bar indicating your message, or that when I clicked to respond here apparently my computer and my internet connection and the Wikipedia site seemed to all stop working, each with different symptoms. Let's try this all over again shall we?

I can't say I'm "happy" to help, but I'm determined to help. :) And I get to read all kinds of neat stuff, sooner or later someone will ask at the Reference Desk about "who was that songstress from the 40's or 50's who had a smoky voice and lived somewhere in New York State?" and I'll be able to say "Oh that was [Rose Shannon], we have an article on her...well, we -had- an article on her...". ;)

Thanks for the candle, but what we really need here in Vancouver are images of snow! Anything to give some possible indication that there is an actual winter in the Winter Games. Franamax (talk) 19:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, happy or determined, I'm glad to have you. :D And I will gladly remove the candle, which might warm things up, and drop an inspirational image for your weather. Ooooh! Snow! Glad your technology is not dead. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, that was nice

Thanks for this:

"Absolutely, those are valid concerns. I would personally trust Ikip to treat those 100 names with due care and respect and would of course be willing to stand or fall based on whether my trust was misplaced. This is a named editor whose work I'm somewhat familiar with, I wouldn't necessarily respond the same way to someone who just got off the bus"

Just saw it, appreciate your time and efforts ;-) Okip (formerly Ikip) 10:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

THanks for the block

I was in the midst of building the 3RR case for the edits on Marriage when you got it taken care of. Thanks. (It always takes me soo long to get all the diffs and such.) - Nat Gertler (talk) 21:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Well you really could have just submitted every single edit the user made with a link to Special:Contributions. :) There doesn't seem to be an FAQ on the topic at Talk:Marriage, maybe it would be handy to have one? Franamax (talk) 21:12, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Prob'ly. But that would mean me learning to do something else! I promised myself that the thing I'd learn this week is adding photos to a page. (And I'm dubious that it would do any good; I would not assume that the new named SPA editor is not the same editor as was working under IP addresses on earlier occasions.) - Nat Gertler (talk) 22:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

78.32.143.113 yet again...

Hi there - I'm the one who raised the WQA about 78.32.143.113 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) recently (WP:Wikiquette alerts/archive80#More_problems_with_78.32.143.113). It looks like after lying low for a week or so, this user is continuing to revert edits without any attempt at discussion first... see here, here, here or here. I haven't a great deal of response to my requests for comment (only this), so I'm not sure where to go next with this. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Letdorf (talk) 13:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC).

Yuck, this is a bit messy. I've seconded your request for where the third opinion came from. Could you put together a short list of where the VWAG naming thing has been discussed before? Some of it I think was on the user's talk page, which isn't archived, and I think on one article talk or another. Same for the "conglomerate" discussion, I know I saw it somewhere or three. The {{cite web}} usage I read the same way you do, except I'm not sure about the publisher= name used with worldcarfans.com, publisher would be Black Falcon Media Group if anything. I'm not sure how to proceed with a productive but stubbotn editor, possibly mediation or filing a WP:3O of your own, I'll ask around for advice. Pointers to where the main discussion (such as it is) occurred would be helpful though. Franamax (talk) 18:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

"VWAG": I first expressed my doubts about the usefulness of using this here, which received no reply. I later tried again, which resulted in this debate which in turn spawned a discussion on WP:RSN in which 78.32.143.113 admitted to "drawing a blank" trying to find reliable sources to support his opinion. Another editor raised a similar issue on Talk:Volkswagen Group here. I also tried to explain the distinction between Volkswagen AG and Volkswagen Group here, which got no response.

Conglomerate: My attempt to discuss this was archived to /dev/null the following day.

The worldcarfans.com citations are slightly tricky as they are mostly official VW or Audi press releases reproduced verbatim on that website, so I guess it could be argued that the "publisher" is the original issuer of the PR. I would agree though, that that's not quite following the documentation to the letter.

Thanks again, Letdorf (talk) 19:40, 13 February 2010 (UTC).

Thanks for the links. I didn't realize those were official press releases (I don't actually look at things before spouting off about them, it ruins the mystery :). Perhaps {{cite press release}} would be the better choice for those? I notice the IP is back editing and apparently chooses to ignore the attempted dialogue, still pondering the next step... Franamax (talk) 19:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, {{cite press release}} would be more appropriate for these - and linking to the PR on the issuer's official website (if it can be found there) would probably be better too. But there's no point trying to improve these citations if they're just going to get reverted again... Letdorf (talk) 21:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC).

So... as there's been no response to my attempt to discuss, I tried reverting the "conglomerate" description in a couple of articles, and they got reverted right back again without any prior discussion. [2] [3]. I've now posted a request to WP:3O regarding one of these articles, as the user is still not telling me the whereabouts of this alleged third opinion that supports his edits. Letdorf (talk) 12:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC).

Just a quick update... we now have a 3O which appears to agree with my reasoning, but this still isn't enough to stop the reverts... [4]. Letdorf (talk) 13:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC).

Still reverting: [5] [6] [7] . I'm thinking it might be time for WP:ANI now? Letdorf (talk) 13:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC).

My ANI report was archived before anyone responded to it... would you be willing to certify an RfC/U? Letdorf (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC).

Gah, I didn't even see it pass by! Did you title it "Clubs baby seals"? If there's not enough potential drama, it's hard to get the people at ANI pay attention. :( Yes I will certify an RFC/U, but maybe give me a day or two. I'm thinking of maybe just taking some direct action. Franamax (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

AN/I archive ref for me poor brain. Franamax (talk) 02:59, 5 March 2010 (UTC)</msall>

Convenience link to warning. Franamax (talk) 03:40, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Caro 08

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		The way you handle that situation was even and fair handed ..my hats off to you!!! Buzzzsherman (talk) 05:45, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Caro's editing

Hello, I would like to point you to this edit from Caro which changed my comment on the talk page, making it seem like I agree with him, and then he went ahead and changed the Canada page. It's hard to assume good faith with such edits. Regards -- Jeff3000 (talk) 20:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought that talk page looked different when I checked it! Then I was left wondering how all you guys cut the legs out from under me. :) That's very illuminating. Franamax (talk) 20:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Resource request

A bit late, but your request was filled.--droptone (talk) 16:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Greetings from Russia!

Thanks for your help offer in subjects concerning Canada:) As for me, I have some questions that only a Canadian could answer. As you live in Vancouver, you might know a former deputy for Burnaby el.district such as Svend Robinson. The question is how his first name is pronounced: with "d" or without it (as in Danish - as his first name is Danish).

And in general, many people of different nationalities live in Canada and become well-known as politicians, so do their names pronounced in English manner or in their original language's one (eg Italian (Iacobucci), German (Strahl) etc)?

The last question is about French geographic names in Quebec. There are some town or cities in Quebec which have English/or Iroquois/ names (such as Montreal neighbourhoods Ahuntsic, Hochelaga, or Chisasibi). So do they are pronounced by Quebecois in French or in English (some of them can hardly be read in French I suppose - eg Ahuntsic)? And how is "Burnaby" itself pronounced: as "Barnaby" or somehow as "burn"?

So if my questions haven't yet discouraged you from helping, I would be glad to receive your 'expert' answer ☺ But they don't matter very much, only spelling in ru:wiki. Best regards, 1450 (talk) 23:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I checked Svend Robinson with my Danish/long-time Canadian mom, in Danish she says Sven and Svend sound exactly the same. We agree that if a Canadian news presenter said it, it would have a slightly longer "n" sound but no "d" sound. Name pronunciation usually goes by the rule of asking people how to pronounce their name, so generally pronunciations are preserved, but not always the sounds that are hard for English-speakers to make. I don't know IPA very well, is that what you use at ru:wiki for notation? If so I will try to go through it, though I might ask for help at WT:CWNB. :)

Native-derived names I'm not sure on. I know that English-language tends to pur most emphasis on the first syllable and let the word trail off and I think French puts a little more emphasis on the last syllable.

Burnaby is easy: "burn" - "a" (soft-a) - "bee" (hard-e). These are hard questions! :) But I'll try to get you the answers. Do you use IPA notation? Franamax (talk) 00:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, as IPA is an international system. Thanks for some explanations! 1450 (talk) 18:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

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The missing manual

Looks like it will go missing again: Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review#Help:Wikipedia:_The_Missing_Manual. Pcap ping 04:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Non-portable IP addresses

Just out of interest, I see in your conversation on User talk:209.129.85.4 that you said: The WHOIS information states that addresses within the block are "non-portable", which indicates to me that the same physical computer keeps the IP address. That's not what it means, in fact. "Non-portable" in this context means that the person or organisation leasing the IP address (or block of addresses) cannot keep the same IP address(es) if they change ISP (i.e. the address(es) are not "portable" to another ISP). This explains it. How CSUNet allocates the addresses they have is not determinable from whois output. What may be germane is the XFF header (if any) - there's more on that here. Those clever checkuser guys are aware of all this stuff, if you need to determine whether a banned user is editing despite their ban. Regards, Tonywalton ^Talk 23:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Deblock me

Hi Franamax,i'm writing to you,because i would like to be unblocked(from editing semi protected page.The mistake i did is that i was blocked on an other account,but i created an other account,during i was blocked to edit pages on my first account.I wont make this again,i promise you.Thank you very much for deblocking me.74.57.42.118 (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I am not going to unblock you. You can log in as Caro 08 and put an unblock request there, another administrator will consider your request. Put {{unblock|My reason}} at the bottom of your talk page, and change "My reason" to your explanation of why you think you should be unblocked. Someone uninvolved can make the decision. Do not change anything else on the page to make it look better for you. Franamax (talk) 19:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Just as a note, instead of bothering with all that, she's come up again as User:Caro100. I've filed an SPI to see if she's got any more puppets in her drawer. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 20:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

CU might be good, there are an awful lot of usernames starting with Caro! :) I think I spotted about 5 yesterday with no edits but created recently. Franamax (talk) 21:17, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Mentorship

Franamax -- I reach out to you because I read your comments at User talk:Roux/Archives/2010/February#Random placement of comment... , especially because of these words:

"Just think about if you got into an ArbCase, would you want to be someone arguing that you should be pardoned 'cause the other guy was worse or would you want to be the person who everyone can see took a calm and rational approach through the whole dispute? Which way would the decision come more quickly, and which way is more likely to resolve in your favour?"

In the context your words create, I write to invite you to join others as a co-mentor for me.

Core policies are the tools at hand; and if you agree to help connect the dots, it could benefit more than me. I cite Wikipedia:Mentorship#Unintended consequences as a plausible context for discussing what I have in mind.

Your decision-making may be affected by reading WP:A/R/C#Statement by Tenmei, especially

A. Response to Steven Smith

B. Response to Coren

C. Response to Roger Davies

The Latin axiom qui tacet consentire videtur is mirrored in WP:Silence + WP:Consensus. Like Roux, I struggle in finding ways to construe pacifist non-confrontation ≠ WP:Silence. As I try to work through contradictions like these, I perceive your point-of-view as simultaneously harsh and hopeful and helpful. You imply that you have more to say. Perhaps I would be wise to place myself among those who make it a point to listen?

If you please, contact me by e-mail or on my talk page. --Tenmei (talk) 05:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and consideration. As a gesture, may I share a rhetorical question from the Analects of Confucius: "Is it not pleasant to learn with a constant perseverance and application?" --Tenmei (talk) 03:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Vranak

Refactored to, and replied at, originating user talk. Franamax (talk) 01:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Will you be having the dynamic or the kinematic this evening, sir?

[8] Wondered if anyone else would pick up on that. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Pouncing on other people's GF goofies is actually a bad habit. When it's a straight-line like that, I can't resist. Once, at a business dinner with visitors from head office, a visitor framed his question with "Forgive me if I show my ignorance with this question, but <question>" and my response was "That's OK Eddie, you show your ignorance every time you speak + <answer>". It was not received well, I suppose not everyone watches Three Stooges... Franamax (talk) 04:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Friend's mom was from eastern Europe and was locally famous for mixing up folk sayings. Talking about something that had happened a few years back, she said "a lot of water has been passed under the bridge since then." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 05:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Could you help ?

I am aiming to write a new article on Nick Moss, an American Chicago blues musician. However User:Jmlk17 had posted an A7 (bio) notice on 12 March 2008, when a similar (I assume) page had been created. So, I wrote to Jmlk17 asking permission to proceed, but notice that he/she does not seem to have been active on Wikipedia for some time. I do not wish to be rude, but it is possible you can comment in his/her's stead ? You may care to refer to my message on Jmlk17's talk page. Gosh, I have not worded this very well, but trust you can follow my ramblings. Many thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:15, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Hope you can help

I was reading an Archived Village Pump software update about a script or something for hiding the "Rollback" buttons Here. I can't find any info on installing it, can you help ? Thanks Mlpearc MESSAGE 16:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

You need to put those lines into your CSS page, assuming you use the Monobook skin, in User:Mlpearc/monobook.css. Take out that {{clear}} you put in there a few weeks ago, it won't likely be doing anything anyway since it doesn't look like valid CSS. You can look in my monobook.css for comparison where I hide the help link beside "This is a minor edit". Remember to bypass your cache to get the changes recognized. Franamax (talk) 18:00, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

• • Thank you Mlpearc MESSAGE 18:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
    • Have you heard anything on the script on that page just below the others, for the contribution page ? I copied it with the others and it don't work. Mlpearc MESSAGE 21:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah I see, it only works for some ways. If I pick "contribs" from the popups menu it works fine [9] but if I do it with Special:Contributions/Franamax it doesn't. This would take a bit of extra Javascript to fix (btw, CSS is not a "script", it's a "style sheet") and I'm busy/away for a few days. If you just want to hide every rollback link, for instance if you only want it for Huggle, then just use ".mw-rollback-link {display:none;}" and they should all be gone, regardless of the page name. Franamax (talk) 06:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Want a laugh ?

Try reading Heimathaus Twist. Most of the article made me giggle, but 'Blues Mecca in the bog' was the real clincher. Just when I thought Wikipedia only gave me grief.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Christian Metal Dispute

Thank you for your intervention. Sorry for anything I did that was incorrect. I have been a major contributor to the Christian Metal Radio section of the page. I saw that other radio shows had been adding to the list. We disscussed cleaning some of the radio stations and shows without WP:RS. New users flagged for WP:VAN. Returned under NEW username flagged again. disputed content removed. Should be all good now. We just need to keep "Everyone and thier brother who does a podcast from addin gthier it to the article now. TY Armorbearer777 (talk) 09:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

NORAD Tracks Santa

Now, I seem to recall saying something to the effect of "this article is going to get hit, keep an eye on it", somewhere around December 20th. And now look what's happened.[10] It's ten times the size of what it was at Christmas! So, umm...here's your chance to diplomatically work with a newbie or two to help them understand about excess. What say you? Risker (talk) 09:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's the peril of the watchlist, I use popups to check the diff I see and if it looks good I let it go. If it's bad or a newish user reverting vandalism or various other clues, I scrutinize back to "last good version". Maybe I should try that "extended watchlist" or whatever it is again. However, you said watch for vandalism, not watch for unimaginable bloat. ;) I'll have a look when I get back home tomorrow and settled in. There sure are a lot of edits there... Franamax (talk) 09:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hehe

You nasty person you, for this :-). I was watching something on the local TV news tonight about the popularity of pet piglets and, nasty as I am, I kept thinking "there'll be good eating on those cute little guys in 6 months". Cheers, Tonywalton ^Talk 01:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Christian Metal Dispute

Franamax, I appreciate your response, however there has been an error. This dispute began when Metal Pulse Radio was added to the list. It was first accused of self-promotion, however, if you view the history you will see it was edited several times because it kept being removed by Armorbearer777 (Promoter of The Full Armor of God Broadcast). There was nothing on there that was self promoting and it clearly met WP guidelines. Nevertheless, after more changes were made, it was then decided by Armorbearer777 that Metal Pulse was not notable enough to be listed. Who decides those thing and what defines notable? Metal Pulse Radio sponsors it's own highlight concert at Cornerstone Festival, one of the Biggest Christian Metal Festivals and is well noted by major Christian Metal and Rock Ministries and Organizations. To make matters more complicated, the real issue began OUTSIDE of Wikipedia. The background deals with a dispute concerning time slots of one of Full Armor Of God Broadcast supported bands from a festival back in the summer of '09. Amorbearer777 even sent an email to the owner of Metal Pulse radio yesterday, telling him this was revenge for said previous event dispute and further threatened to remove other content pertaining to MPR's associations. We have saved the emails for proof. Please look into this matter more.. You will also find previous issues with Armorbearer777 and other people. He's manipulating this section and it needs to stop. Please help set things in order. Thank You. Ihopeican143 (talk) 07:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no need to launch a personal attack since it is my past disscussions here on WIkipedia that helped achieve a Christian Metal Radio section for you to even pimp your show on.. Pulse Radio is a regular show on one internet station, that primarliy promotes the record label that runs the station. this show can hardly stand next to pioneers who have been doing Christian Metal Radio for over a decade and have established syndication on many fecets of radio. I agree that it is a cool show, but there are lots of cool shows. We did ad Blabber Jesus Radio and Necro-Shock Radio which has more of a history in radio than Pulse does. You are taking matters far too persoanl. You should have written the post, submitted it and than it may have been added. Very newbie mistake.Armorbearer777 (talk) 22:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

You both should be working on defining what is notable for the topic. Not everything can go in, but what does go in is not under the control of any single editor. For each of the examples the two of you are mentioning, what makes them notable? Things like mentions in written work, web reviews by experts in the genre, that kind of thing. It can't just be personal opinion and if anyone has a conflist of interest they had better be very very careful in how they edit the subject. At the very least, discussion on the talk page before making edits is strongly encouraged. Franamax (talk) 22:32, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Climate change probation

So we've sucked yet another innocent victim into attracted another uninvolved admin to the climate change probation? Welcome, and please do hang around if you can. The discussions can get a bit samey with just the usual admins, and the more admins watch the topic area the better. --TS 23:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I said at my RFA that I wanted to get into the more mind-twisting bits of the apparatus. I'm just keepin' my word. :) I'm sure there will be buyer's remorse at some point... Franamax (talk) 23:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• Would you please read and respond to my comments at the CC complaints page? -- JohnWBarber (talk) 02:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)