:::::::::Again, it's not obvious to me "how he presents himself during a stream" looks meaningfully different from the infobox photo. He's a dude in a mullet wig and reflective glasses wearing some sort of biker vest in both images. I don't see how having a 2nd image of that meaningfully adds to the 1st. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] ([[User talk:Axem Titanium|talk]]) 20:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, it's not obvious to me "how he presents himself during a stream" looks meaningfully different from the infobox photo. He's a dude in a mullet wig and reflective glasses wearing some sort of biker vest in both images. I don't see how having a 2nd image of that meaningfully adds to the 1st. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] ([[User talk:Axem Titanium|talk]]) 20:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::{{tq|[[vest|Biker vest]]}}? Point taken. They're [[gilet]]s. Secondly, there may be some confusion if readers only see him like he did in 2018 compared to now, and not the sort you're describing, truly. Admit it. [[Special:Contributions/2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62|2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62]] ([[User talk:2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62|talk]]) 21:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::{{tq|[[vest|Biker vest]]}}? Point taken. They're [[gilet]]s. Secondly, there may be some confusion if readers only see him like he did in 2018 compared to now, and not the sort you're describing, truly. Admit it. [[Special:Contributions/2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62|2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62]] ([[User talk:2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62|talk]]) 21:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::2018 was not that long ago. He looks like the same middle-aged white dude in both photos to me. I have a hard time imagining readers not believing that they're the same person. [[User:Axem Titanium|Axem Titanium]] ([[User talk:Axem Titanium|talk]]) 21:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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An IP editor recently brought up the point that the aforementioned Youtuber's channel name is "DrDisRespect". I think we should we make a new page, and move the article there under that correct name, and turn this page into a redirect? CosmicJacuzzi (talk) 00:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose. Looking at all the sources in the article, it seems they are split, with some using Dr Disrespect and others using the name with no space. Google results in many more hits on the present title than for the proposed name. So it appears that many more sources exist that use the present title when they refer to the video-game streamer. Also seen are a few like "Dr. Disrespect" with a period after "Dr", but not nearly as many as for this article's title without the period. P.I. Ellsworth - ed.put'r there07:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, with similar reasoning to Paine Ellsworth. I note that his channel description is "The Official Dr Disrespect YouTube Channel" and that his most live videos use the spaced styling. So does his merch site. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 05:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Adding Aim Assist under Controversy
On September 21 2021 DrDisrespect tweeted out 'Without your aim assist, you ain't nothing.'[44] This led to widespread disagreement between mouse and keyboard and controller players and prompted backlash from players like FaZe Pamaj, Nadeshot, Nickmercs, and many others. Some claimed the Doc was merely impression farming while others challenged him to try controller himself since it is more accessible.[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dr_Disrespect&oldid=1048417064)
Wanted to add in the above portion ^^^ due to all the attention and discussion this has generated recently. Also has been a key component of the Doc's persona over the last couple of years at least since the PUBG days. Got rejected by user:IVORK for not being noteworthy enough yet. Figured i'd open things up for dicsussion here Warzone14 (talk) 21:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seems a short-term Twitter spat. It doesn't meet notability standards. One might say he criticises aim assist users as part of his online persona, but I don't think the controversy itself is worthy of inclusion. Solipsism 101 (talk) 19:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Go for it. Do note that the draft contains a lot of unimportant fluffy details surrounding the core events, long quotes and uncited portions; these will need to be addressed following or during merging. Pabsoluterince (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Potential update on the Permanent ban from Twitch section
On June 21st, a former Twitch employee, Cody Conners, came forward with allegations against DrDisrespect in an X (Twitter) post.According to Crunchbase, Cody Conners worked for Twitch as an "Account Director [of] Strategic Partnerships"
While DrDisrespect isn't explicitly named in the post, several journalists and industry insiders have come forward to corroborate that these allegations are against DrDisrespect.
djWheat, who served as the Director of Twitch Studios and Director of Creator Development when DrDisrespect was suspended, acknowledges Slasher's role in this story in a post.
Washington Post report Nathan Grayson tweets that he's heard this story many times from "secondhand sources"
DrDisrespect himself seemingly confirms that the post is about his suspension in a reply to Jake Lucky. (archived)
So far, everything regarding these allegations has come from a handful of X/Twitter posts but gaming and esports-related news outlets have already picked up on the story. [2][3][4][5][6][7]
With the subject responding to the allegations and this response being picked up by what appear to be reliable sources (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a regular consumer of gaming/esports journalism outside of iRacing),[8][9][10] I see no reason not to include a small blurb in the appropriate existing section. I would agree that there is no need to expand further at this time, or give it its own section at all (as one of the reverted additions tried to do), as it's impossible to tell now how much WP:WEIGHT this will have in the grand scheme of things. ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)12:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is it relevant to note that the source of these accusations has floated disclosing knowledge about about the situation in the past for personal financial gain?
The original source for these allegations is the same twitter account I linked, Cody Conners. This person is the progenitor of all claims relevant to this topic in media stories related to this story. Outside of this persons claims you have a few people on twitter claiming that they have known about this since 2020, without adding any more details or evidence. Any media story connected to this either references this twitter or account or citing anonymous sources that have corroborated the allegations of claims made by this twitter account. 2603:8001:8601:8445:D10C:8891:35D6:5936 (talk) 05:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The subject of the article directly addressed the allegations in question and this was picked up by reliable, secondary sources, which is why it is included in the article. Your complaint is wholly irrelevant in light of that unless you can provide reliable, secondary sources. ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)05:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be a lot more information now. He's been fired/relationship terminated from a company that he co-founded. There's articles everywhere now so this information definitely should be added to the page:
We could at least add the links that are acceptable sources and semi-protect the page from abuse before someone does a worse job at adding eg. incorrect information. Averageeuropean (talk) 07:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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At footnote "60", the date is stated as 26th of June, when the correct date in reference to the article is the 24th of June. Cocolina3 (talk) 21:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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About one of the paragraphs on his Twitch ban, where there's a quote from a live stream by him in April calling Twitch "slithery disgusting purple snakes" and lamenting his lost sponsorships because of his ban. Suggestion that the quote be shortened to: "Dr Disrespect called Twitch 'slithery disgusting purple snakes' and criticized losing 'a lot of big deals, a lot of sponsorships; sh*t we had Nike, we were talking to Oakley; I can bring up Oakley prototypes right here.'" 2601:47:100:AC40:D27A:8A44:674F:703C (talk) 19:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably should note that the sentence on Discord removing him from their Partnership Program reads: That same day, Discord removed Dr Disrespect from their partnership program, citing violations of its Code of Conduct.
The sentence on YouTube doing the same thing that I requested above reads: The next day, YouTube suspended Dr Disrespect from its partner program and demonetized his channel.
I think in the latter sentence, it should be "their partner program" instead; and in the former, "their Code of Conduct"? 2601:47:100:AC40:278A:721B:B9DB:7B62 (talk) 13:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another sentence: Shortly afterward, Midnight Society, the gaming studio co-founded by Dr Disrespect, released a statement noting that after speaking with parties involved, it would be terminating its relationship with Dr Disrespect effective immediately. Try "shortly afterwards" and "terminating their relationship" instead. And this under other ventures: Dr Disrespect featured in multiple of the team's social media posts between 2022 and 2023. Should be cleared up to be that he "featured in several social media posts from the team during the 2022 and 2023 NFL seasons". 2601:47:100:AC40:C80C:D8B3:6B78:BAC0 (talk) 14:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AND here in early career: [...] as the community manager of Sledgehammer Games. The present reference accompanying it, including archived, does not lead to that link and redirects to blog.activision.com. Try this reference directly from Sledgehammer Games' blog instead that announced he was a community manager: [12] Archived: [13]2601:47:100:AC40:9905:1A19:EE45:F264 (talk) 16:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At least there were some edits just recently... But now this: Following this, YouTube suspended him from its partner program and demonetized his channel. Should be "from their partner program". Respectfully @Mellk:. 76.99.92.104 (talk) 11:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Change "inappropriate" private messages to sexually explicit private messages
Change "Cody Conners alleged on Twitter that the reason for Dr Disrespect's ban was because he had inappropriately messaged a minor on the platform's Whispers messaging" to Cody Conners alleged on Twitter that the reason for Dr Disrespect's ban was because he had sexted a minor on the platform's Whispers messaging
Three sources confirmed to Bloomberg that Beahm had been kicked off the site for sending direct messages to a minor that included sexually graphic details. Two of those sources also confirmed that Beahm had asked her about plans for the upcoming TwitchCon.
A former Twitch trust and safety employee who worked for the platform at the time Beahm was banned and has direct knowledge of the matter confirmed to Rolling Stone that Beahm continued to send sexually graphic messages to a minor he knew to be underage.
Late Friday, Conners posted on X, “He got banned because got caught sexting a minor in the then existing Twitch whispers product. He was trying to meet up with her at TwitchCon. The powers that be could read in plain text.”72.224.56.40 (talk) 03:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: The first version seems better. "Inappropriate" is better known that "sexually explicit." and "sexted" seems worse than "inappropriately messaged." TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Realized that one of my requests above for a sentence at Video game development and other ventures was accidentally not done: "Dr Disrespect featured in multiple of the team's social media posts between 2022 and 2023". Again, it should instead clarify that he "featured in several social media posts from the team [the 49ers] during the 2022 and 2023 NFL seasons". Or "seen in several", no matter there. Also gradually found several more things that can be fixed quickly:
At Early career - "a variation on then-popular" - grammatically and with context from the surrounding sentence, should be "a variation of then-popular".
Same section - "in costume as the [[Streaming persona|Dr Disrespect persona]]." - It may just be "as Dr Disrespect" or "as Dr Disrespect, an bombastic and body-armored character who claimed to have won the Blockbuster World Video Game Championships in 1993 and 1994" instead.
At Permanent ban from Twitch and fallout (I remember contributing to it in 2020 and suggesting things back than) - "debunking any "crazy speculation" or theory that had developed" - By "theory" I should have meant "conspiracy theories", since he allegedly spoke of them (like those by Icke about COVID) without saying to the contrary that they're (to-date) untrue and wrong. Also, "Doc 3.0" isn't upcoming, and it referred to his return to live-streaming on YouTube in August 2020.
And at Video game development and other ventures one more time - "Dr Disrespect announced the launch of a triple A gaming studio named Midnight Society, which would be headed by him" - I think "triple-A" substitutes "triple A" and "was" substitutes "would be".
2601:47:100's - On May 29, 2024, Dr Disrespect revealed he turned down a $10 million annual deal to stream on Kick, which is a service with a more lenient approach towards content moderation and criticized for hosting controversial content creators.[1] He claimed that the offer was "gracious" and was "humbled" and "appreciative", but he would need $50 million to join the platform. He stated that he was "not interested in moving" and that his channel was "looking good". Kick’s Head of Strategic Partnerships, Andrew Santamaria, said that "he’s an amazing streamer, but we need to ground things in reality".[2]
Or Rock & roll is not dead's - On May 29, 2024, Dr Disrespect revealed that he turned down a $10 million-a-year deal to stream on Kick. He described the offer as "gracious," "humbling," and "appreciated," but said he would need $50 million to join. Dr Disrespect, in character, said, "Fifty million, you get the two-time. If not, I'm not interested in moving. The community is too strong here. We're established. The numbers are just outrageous. We're looking good, we're feeling good. I'm in cruise control, driving multiple Lamborghinis. I'm in no rush." Kick's Head of Strategic Partnerships, Andrew Santamaria, said, "He's an amazing streamer, but we need to ground things in reality." [3]
I don't want to WAR. However, IMO the statement about Kick has nothing to do with Dr Disrespect, Kick is not the subject of this wiki page. Second, Dr Disrespect's quote gives further context/information on the turning down of the offer from Kick. I'll ping a few wiki vets for a second opinion. Savvyjack23@Greyjoy@Greyjoy:@Savvyjack23:
, What do you think? Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 20:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, I'm aware of that part, but perhaps it's noteworthy that Kick has played host to those that were banned from Twitch? Secondly, if you were paying attention, that doesn't mean it has to be quoted in full. At least you're bringing others you know here, so be it. Don't forget that the aim here should be to improve the article, nothing less or more. 2601:47:100:AC40:CF91:A85F:2DB4:431C (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's irrelevant that Kick hosts banned twitch streamers in the case of this wiki page, DrDisrespect was already successful on another platform after the Twitch ban before he was offered a deal on Kick. Kick also gives eleclusive deas to Twitch streamers. Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does the article read Cody Conners alleged on Twitter that Dr Disrespect had been banned for inappropriately messaging a minor when Cody's tweet and the article it is attributed to says "sexting"? The media calls this sexting, sexually graphic, and sexually explicit, yet we are censoring here with what he admitted to, which is "inappropriate" and then leaving a WP:EASTEREGG with a blue link to sexting? 2600:381:FEE0:398:6BAE:DC2A:7F4D:279C (talk) 08:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do see it reference:
"On June 21, 2024, former Twitch director of strategic partnerships Cody Conners tweeted, "He got banned because got caught sexting a minor in the then existing Twitch whispers product. He was trying to meet up with her at TwitchCon. The powers that be could read in plain text."
Removal of in game content from NBA2K and Rogue Company
Shortly after the reason for DrDisrespect's Twitch ban was revealed, NBA 2K removed all content related to him from the game. This included his character model and elements from story-related modes. Dexerto also confirmed that DrDisrespect's custom dunk and jump shot animations would be "rotated out." [1] Nearly two weeks later, Rogue Company followed suit by removing DrDisrespect's in-game skin. [2]
I probably should have known this too, but you keep citing, to quote WP:VG/RS, a tabloid publication that rarely engages in serious journalism; while it may be used as a source on a case by case basis (with some editors arguing for the reliability of its esports coverage), it is usually better to find an alternative source, and it is rarely suitable for use on BLPs or to establish notability. Maybe explain that first? 2601:47:100:AC40:4DA2:6017:411B:C24 (talk) 16:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't know Dexerto was considered a bad source, but it appears Dexerto broke the story and Dotesports and Verge (which are considered "green"/good) are sourcing Dexerto. Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 16:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I didn't forget anything. That IGN article wasn't even up prior and by the time I made the edit, and at the time, only one from Dexerto was published. We already used the latter for the NBA 2K23 source, so I didn't want to use them again, twice in a row, as it would feel redundant. I figured eventually, even though it had already been confirmed, that more websites would start to cover the Rogue Company situation, and so they did. So now, I will go back and finally add that in. SlySabre (talk) 14:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rogue company and NBA 2K should be added, DrDisrespct was sponsored to promote the games and had his own skin/character in the games as well. Is there a draft statement about the news? Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 15:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a tweet stating "Hey Rogue Company, we have disabled Dr Disrespect content previously available on game. We will provide full Rogue Buck refunds to any impacted account this week".
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1st. Update the total views on his YT channel to 738.3 738.5 million.
2nd. Minor correction to a quoted tweet: [...] The powers that be could read in plain text." - should be plain text".
Another request, a screenshot of a livestream by Dr Disrespect on June 5 2024 titled "DR DISRESPECT - WARZONE - NBA FINALS & FANDUEL"[14]. Admittedly, this may go too far but, the thing is, where should this be placed?
@Axem Titanium: Note that the image used for Streaming persona does show him as he usually would on a stream (or promotion for FanDuel in this case). The image on the infobox shows him on a red carpet to an in-person event in 2018, which can be distinguishable that way. For the record:
He's wearing the same wig and sunglasses he always wears. I don't find the differences to be meaningful. If you find a picture of him without the wig and glasses, that would be one thing, but he's clearly "in-character" in both of the images in question. Also you should probably request File:DrDisrespect Livestream June 2024.png to be deleted under Commons:Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#G7. It's uploaded on Commons but it includes copyrighted images owned by Activision/Microsoft which are not allowed there. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the delay. Simply put: I think that it's reasonably due as far as the placement and pertinence of the image may be concerned, not an intent to advertise.
Can you explain specifically what this image adds to the article above and beyond the infobox image? I get that there's a feeling of "photo taken moments before disaster" schadenfreude to it, but it's not obvious to me what the encyclopedic value of that is. In terms of illustrating what he looks like, it overlaps in the same way as the other image I removed. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be placed in Career or Streaming persona primarily to show how he usually presents himself during a stream. Although it's probably desirable to call it a photo taken moments before disaster; not how most would see things like this. Encyclopedic-wise, I think I already answered that. 2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62 (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, it's not obvious to me "how he presents himself during a stream" looks meaningfully different from the infobox photo. He's a dude in a mullet wig and reflective glasses wearing some sort of biker vest in both images. I don't see how having a 2nd image of that meaningfully adds to the 1st. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2018 was not that long ago. He looks like the same middle-aged white dude in both photos to me. I have a hard time imagining readers not believing that they're the same person. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]