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* [[:Image:Alexander-horned-sphere.jpg]] - Nice image. But after a week at [[Wikipedia:Image sleuthing]], we couldn't determine whether it was a CV or not. (Also OR, now, and AB). E-mails to the uploader have gone unanswered. – [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:Image sleuthing|sleuth]])</sup> 00:21, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC) |
* [[:Image:Alexander-horned-sphere.jpg]] - Nice image. But after a week at [[Wikipedia:Image sleuthing]], we couldn't determine whether it was a CV or not. (Also OR, now, and AB). E-mails to the uploader have gone unanswered. – [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:Image sleuthing|sleuth]])</sup> 00:21, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Unverified Orphans''': [[:Image:Columbiamarslanding.jpg]], [[:Image:Combs.jpg]], [[:Image:Comicfist.jpg]], [[:Image:Compression.png]], [[:Image:Computer.jpg]], [[:Image:Confronto ali.jpg]], [[:Image:Confocal.png]], [[:Image:Conneaut lighthouse1.jpg]], [[:Image:Connectix.PNG]], [[:Image:ConstXI.bmp]], [[:Image:Constantine IV sm.jpg]], [[:Image:Contrast of old and new santiago.jpg]], [[:Image:ControlCab8737a.jpg]], [[:Image:Conver LD.jpg]], [[:Image:Coolhall.gif]], [[:Image:Coordrot.PNG]], [[:Image:Copenhagen Metro rest.jpg]], [[:Image:Copy of Photo-SamuelBabu-2.jpg]], [[:Image:Corhull.jpg]], [[:Image:Cornell unversity gorge.jpg]], [[:Image:Cornet-Bb-small.jpg]], [[:Image:Cornoides2.jpg]], [[:Image:Coronaferrea.jpg]], [[:Image:Corrandsynth.png]], [[:Image:Corset blanchet1908.jpg]], [[:Image:Corsico.jpg]], [[:Image:Corsten Valley (Newport).jpg]], [[:Image:Corvus imparatus.jpg]], [[:Image:Corvus torquatus.jpg]], [[:Image:Corvus crassirostris1.jpg]], [[:Image:Corvus bennetti2.jpg]], [[:Image:Corvus bennetti.jpg]], [[:Image:Cosmos tubulaire.jpg]], [[:Image:Cotc-wiki.jpg]], [[:Image:Count Dracula & Lisa.jpg]], [[:Image:CottonMather.jpg]], [[:Image:Courbes.jpg]], [[:Image:Cover gh2.jpg]]. |
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* [[:Image:Cmaptst3.jpg]] - OR, CV?, NE. – [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:Image sleuthing|sleuth]])</sup> 02:53, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC) |
* [[:Image:Cmaptst3.jpg]] - OR, CV?, NE. – [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:Image sleuthing|sleuth]])</sup> 02:53, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC) |
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The image has been moved to the Commons, but not the image description page history. I'm not sure whether the page can be deleted here without violating the GFDL, so I'm saving these here until I know better what to do. See also Talk:Wikimedia Commons#Moving images to the Commons. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 01:18, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:US20-front.jpg, OB by Commons:Image:US20-front.jpg. dbenbenn | talk 22:10, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Ccaa-melilla.png -- Orphan now; Melilla now using version from Commons: Image:Locator map of Melilla.png. — Davenbelle 18:58, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Canaries.png -- Orphan now; Canary Islands now using version from Commons: Image:Flag of the Canary Islands.png — Davenbelle 19:09, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Ccaa-ceuta.png -- Orphan now; Ceuta now using version from Commons: Image:Locator map of Ceuta.png. — Davenbelle 19:25, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
- (moved here from below. — Davenbelle 01:35, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC))
February 1
- Unverified orphans: . . .Image:British-Normands.png, Image:British-Tudor.png, Image:British-Victoria.png, . . .
- Keep and tag all images uploaded by User:Muriel Gottrop per the note at User talk:Muriel Gottrop. This applies to the various British monarchy family trees: Image:British-Normands.png, Image:British-Tudor.png, Image:British-Victoria.png,
Image:Britemp.jpg,etc. --Jiang 05:02, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and tag all images uploaded by User:Muriel Gottrop per the note at User talk:Muriel Gottrop. This applies to the various British monarchy family trees: Image:British-Normands.png, Image:British-Tudor.png, Image:British-Victoria.png,
Listings less than one week old
February 3
- Image:Alexander-horned-sphere.jpg - Nice image. But after a week at Wikipedia:Image sleuthing, we couldn't determine whether it was a CV or not. (Also OR, now, and AB). E-mails to the uploader have gone unanswered. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 00:21, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Unverified Orphans: Image:Columbiamarslanding.jpg, Image:Combs.jpg, Image:Comicfist.jpg, Image:Compression.png, Image:Computer.jpg, Image:Confronto ali.jpg, Image:Confocal.png, Image:Conneaut lighthouse1.jpg, Image:Connectix.PNG, Image:ConstXI.bmp, Image:Constantine IV sm.jpg, Image:Contrast of old and new santiago.jpg, Image:ControlCab8737a.jpg, Image:Conver LD.jpg, Image:Coolhall.gif, Image:Coordrot.PNG, Image:Copenhagen Metro rest.jpg, Image:Copy of Photo-SamuelBabu-2.jpg, Image:Corhull.jpg, Image:Cornell unversity gorge.jpg, Image:Cornet-Bb-small.jpg, Image:Cornoides2.jpg, Image:Coronaferrea.jpg, Image:Corrandsynth.png, Image:Corset blanchet1908.jpg, Image:Corsico.jpg, Image:Corsten Valley (Newport).jpg, Image:Corvus imparatus.jpg, Image:Corvus torquatus.jpg, Image:Corvus crassirostris1.jpg, Image:Corvus bennetti2.jpg, Image:Corvus bennetti.jpg, Image:Cosmos tubulaire.jpg, Image:Cotc-wiki.jpg, Image:Count Dracula & Lisa.jpg, Image:CottonMather.jpg, Image:Courbes.jpg, Image:Cover gh2.jpg.
- Image:Cmaptst3.jpg - OR, CV?, NE. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 02:53, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:CKHLstructure.jpg - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 02:56, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:TRS-80_MC-10_Microcomputer.jpg - duplicated in Commons: Commons:Image:TRS-80_MC-10_Microcomputer.jpg Simon 05:27, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Southern cross.PNG OR, OB iMeowbot~Mw 07:08, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:NIGGERIA.gif - A misnamed copy of the nigeria flag. Thue | talk 15:41, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Black hole masses1.png - OR, not a free image, replaced with a link as discussed at Wikipedia:Image recreation requests. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 16:38, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Basicdigitalwaveguide.png - OR, CV? OB. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 16:43, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Constellation of Orion.png - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:26, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Costadelsol.png - CV?, UE?, NE, AB, only ever used on the user page of a guy who has been missing for a year. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:26, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
- The article East Touch contains 19 images of covers of the magazine. I think that only one is needed. Specifically, I think the following should be deleted: Image:Issue1-30.jpg, Image:Issue31-44.jpg, Image:Issue45-108.jpg, Image:Issue109-124.jpg, Image:Issue125-166.jpg, Image:Issue167-226.jpg, Image:Issue227-336.jpg, Image:Issue337-present.jpg, Image:Sneaker.jpg, Image:Brand.jpg, Image:OK!week.jpg, Image:ShoppingG-Point.jpg, Image:Green.jpg, Image:Cat's.jpg, Image:Cosmetics.jpg, Image:Look.jpg, Image:Electric-king.jpg, and Image:Game-century.jpg.
- Image:Cowes from air.jpg - tiny image, not much use. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:55, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
February 4
- Unverified orphans: Image:Craigvines.jpg, Image:Cratch.gif, Image:Crazy-Beautiful.jpg, Image:Crete.jpeg, Image:Crete.jpg, Image:Cristi Minculescu second picture.jpg, Image:Criticaltheory1stgeneration.jpg, Image:Cromartyshire-sm.png, Image:Cristi Minculescu.jpg, Image:Cromartyshire2.png, Image:Cromaryshire.jpg, Image:Cronoz.jpg, Image:Cronoz2.jpg, Image:Cronoz2b.jpg, Image:Cronoz2c.jpg, Image:Cronus-r.jpg, Image:Cross1.jpg, Image:Cross campus.jpg, Image:Cross2.jpg, Image:Cross3.jpg, Image:Crosstheriver-Washington.png, Image:Crown casimir.jpg, Image:Crownethers1.png, Image:Crownethers2.png, Image:Crownethers3.png, Image:Crude-Euro2004-colored-all-brown.png, Image:Crystal2.jpg, Image:Cucumbers 320x330.jpg, Image:CuHu.jpg, Image:Cuk trzcinowy.jpg, Image:Cultstat.jpg, Image:Cumberland county.gif, Image:Cvrki.jpg, Image:Cwerk2.jpg, Image:Cyanyncas.jpg, Image:CylinderLock.jpg, Image:Cytosine.jpg, Image:Czech Jihocesky.png, Image:D 22.jpg, Image:D'Alembert's paradox.PNG, Image:D-glyceraldehyde Fischer.png, Image:D-hydroxyacetone Fischer b.png, Image:D-sorbose Fischer.png, Image:D.jpg, Image:D510115vrpr.jpg, Image:DGMonette.jpg, Image:DIA entrance.jpeg, Image:DO trinidad.jpg, Image:DP Yadav.jpg, Image:DRFCHome.PNG, Image:DSC 00801.JPG, Image:DSC02888.jpg, Image:DSCF0046 cropped.jpg, Image:DSCF0046-Polchinski.JPG, Image:DSCF0051.jpg, Image:DX03.gif. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 17:31, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Aids day red ribbon.jpg and Image:Ac.redribbon.jpg are both OR, OB. The first is just less pretty, and the second is a copyvio. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 00:33, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Lange-MigrantMother.jpg. OB by Commons:Image:Lange-MigrantMother.jpg. Can be safely deleted, as it will be transparently replaced by the Commons version upon deletion. --MarkSweep 02:23, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:RobertOwen2.jpg - uploaded by us in error. JillandJack 04:19, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Dysfunctional family - This file was created twice exactly the same. (See Category). We've copied it just in case, so please delete one of them and see what happens. JillandJack 04:49, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Redpath Sugar - This file too was duplicated.
- Image:Cirth.jpg - OR, CV, OB. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:46, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Bloodrayne.jpg — obseleted by Image:BloodRayne.jpg. The latter is the correct capitalisation.
- Image:Phenethyalmine.png and Image:Phenethylamine.png. First image is misspelled. 2nd is orphan image. Current image is Image:Phenethylamine_structure.png which has a more descriptive filename. — Brim 15:08, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- 5 OBs: Image:Africa-northern-countries.png obsoleted by Image:Africa-countries-northern.png; Image:Africa-western-countries.png obsoleted by Image:Africa-countries-western.png; Image:Africa-eastern-countries.png obsoleted by Image:Africa-countries-eastern.png; Image:Africa-central-countries.png obsoleted by Image:Africa-countries-central.png; Image:Africa-southern-countries.png obsoleted by Image:Africa-countries-southern.png. 134.173.166.137 03:10, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Commutative.jpg - OR, OB, wrong file format, just plain ugly. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 16:00, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Circlepoints-linesfig.png - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:58, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Circlepoints-circlefig.png - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:58, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Ac.verginacasket.jpg - OR, CV. After a week on Wikipedia:Image sleuthing, we couldn't save it. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 20:15, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Baseball fielding positions text.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_text.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_lf.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_lf.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_cf.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_cf.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_rf.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_rf.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_2b.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_2b.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_ss.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_ss.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_3b.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_3b.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_lb.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_1b.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_p.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_p.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions_c.jpg (replaced by Image:Baseball_c.png)
- Image:Baseball_fielding_positions.xcf (GIMP image, not directly viewable)
- Ojw 23:59, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC) (Quadell listed a few of these above, but that should be a complete list)
Sybian images
- Image:Tn toyslove angie.jpg, Image:Toyslove angie.jpg, Image:Tn sybian gmax1.jpg, Image:Tn sybian gmax2.jpg: advertisement/spam for sex toys. OR, CV (I don't believe the {{CopyrightedFreeUse}}.) This is a relisting of recently IfDed material, however I wasn't aware of their IfDing at the time, nor where a lot of other people I suspect. Their creator objected and as no one else commented they were kept for lack of consensus. I agree that such a quick relisting is unusual but hope that the community will allow it as the other images of the set were clearly deleted and I do believe there is a (strong) consensus for deleting these. --fvw* 01:57, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
- Go to this link on toyslove.com and read the very top caption. That should put an end to copyright questions. Enough people have shown interest in keeping these images. In fact, someone went the extra mile to rubber stamp the toyslove.com url out so there definitely is value in ALL the images.--Buttysquirrel 23:04, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- A few questions:
- Why don't you believe the ((CopyrightedFreeUse))? Apparently the copyright holder uploaded these, and he can, if he likes, give permission for anyone to use them in any way they want. I see no reason to doubt him unless there is evidence of some sort of copyright infringement.
- I'll admit I don't have any strong arguments here, but the impression I got when (briefly) dealing with the user was that they were involved with the site but not the owner. I might be wrong though. (note that the original nomination had the same claim, which I copied because I felt the same way. Though that's not evidence ofcourse.)
- I think the urls are unencyclopedic, but I certainly wouldn't call them spam.
- I would, though if you think spam need imply bulk then I'll settle for unsolicited commercial material.
- What on earth could you have against Image:Toyslove angie.jpg?
- If the URL were removed from the others, would you still want them deleted? – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 02:39, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- In their current form (sans URL), yes. Some of them might be useful for articles if edited down though (cropping off more than just the URL). I don't feel any great need to make such modifications myself however due to the bad taste the attempt at turning articles into ads left in my mouth. --fvw* 03:52, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
Löschen. I don't believe the {{CopyrightedFreeUse}} either, but if everyone else does, I'd just cloned out the site name on the latter two and was preparing to upload them over when I noticed that the ifd tag was back. —Korath (Talk) 02:29, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)- Delete Image:Tn toyslove angie.jpg and anything that remains orphaned; neutral on the rest. —Korath (Talk) 14:10, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
- I was thinking about doing this myself. If you were going to fix the images, why do you vote to delete them? Wouldn't it be better to fix them? – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 02:39, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Fixing is better than leaving them alone, but deleting is better than fixing. There's doubt over on Talk:Sybian (where this is originated) whether the original uploader really does own the copyright; if he is the copyright holder, it seems likely that he'll raise a fuss if versions without the url appear; it's clear that the images were edited, especially in Image:Tn sybian gmax2.jpg; and Image:Tn toyslove angie.jpg and Image:Toyslove angie.jpg seem destined to remain orphaned. —Korath (Talk) 03:39, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- I stumbled on these images when the poster uploaded them, add them to the sex toys article and included a spam link to the page which is indicated in the images. That's when I listed them here. I can't see that they're anything but spam. I'm strongly considering VfDing Sybian, too. It's an ad. Löschen all of the images.RickK 05:15, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- I don't think you'll find much support for VfDing Sybian, but you should do it if you feel otherwise. I will continue to monitor Sybian despite your attempts.--Buttysquirrel 21:35, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If the uploader is the copyright holder, then they're spam. If he isn't, then they're copyvio. Delete either way. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:32, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)- As the one who originally listed those images that RickK missed the first time 'round: I do think it's spam; the mere fact that there are four such images where one would have sufficed is enough for me to classify that as spam. Furthermore, I consider images with embedded URLs advertisments, and those have no place in an encyclopedia. If the Sybian article needs an illustration, Image:Tn sybian gmax2.jpg without the URL could maybe be used, but only if its copyright and licensing status could be verified. But I'm not the least bit inclined to contact the owners of that thinly disguised hard-core porn site mentioned in the URL on these images. I think it highly unlikely that the image is PD: the owner would most probably not want anybody to crop off the URL. Therefore, I do not believe the {{PD}} tags. As a consequence of all this, I propose to delete these images. BTW, this also applies to Image:Tn topco-love-machine.jpg, which I just listed below. Lupo 07:43, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Delete, agree with Cyrius, couldn't have put it better myself.Keep, if there are no URLs embedded. —Stormie 08:52, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Tn topco-love-machine.jpg dubious license claim, embedded URL. Also OR. See above. Lupo 07:43, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Delete, as above.Keep, if there are no URLs embedded. —Stormie 08:52, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- If it can be assured that the images are indeed free-use, then I don't see a reason to delete. Keep. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 20:38, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, everybody, let's try to be logical about this. None of us wants spam to stay on Wikipedia. But in our zeal to keep ads out, let's not throw away a useful image or two.
- It seems to me that there are several relevant questions here. One would be, is it acceptable for images on Wikipedia to contain urls to commercial sites? And the consensus, clearly, is no. That much is settled. Either the images will have the URLs removed, or they will be deleted. Fine.
- A second question would be, are the images tagged correctly? The uploader, charmingly named User:Buttysquirrel, claims to be the copyright holder, and claims to release them into the public domain. Similarly, I claim to be the copyright holder of Image:Gate ajar.jpg, and to have released it under the GFDL. I can't prove to you that I'm the copyright holder, but it's our longstanding policy to believe uploaders unless there's evidence to the contrary. (Otherwise we'd have to delete a lot of images.) And no one has provided any evidence that Buttysquirrel is not the copyright holder, other than second-guessing his motivations ("the owner would most probably not want anybody to crop off the URL"). You could say that I most probably would not want anybody to copy-and-paste a porn image onto my gate picture, but since I released it under the GFDL, I can't stop someone from doing just that. Similarly, since Buttysquirrel tagged them PD, he has no legal recourse to stop anyone from removing the urls.
- A third question could be, are the images useful? The images are of decent quality. There is a notable lack of images in the Sex toy article.
- So after that analysis, I believe that Image:Tn sybian gmax1.jpg and Image:Tn topco-love-machine.jpg should be kept with the urls removed, and the others should be deleted as obsolete and unneeded. – Quadell (talk)(sleuth) 14:57, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- I would like to address your questions/arguments.
- For Argument 1) see Image:Sylvia_Saint_001.jpg. Is this permissable according to Wikipedia policy? If so, then I suggest you reexamine my images any apply the same policy, otherwise I can start to sense the "hypocrxxx" word.
- For Argument 2) Go to this link on toyslove.com and read the very top caption. That should address any copyright questions.
- For Argument 3) I think enough people with a genuine interest in the aforementioned articles have expressed support. There have been several comments that the images are good quality and on topic.--Buttysquirrel 23:38, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- For the sake of argument, I've uploaded my url-free versions over Image:Tn sybian gmax1.jpg and Image:Tn sybian gmax2.jpg. I'll look at Image:Tn topco-love-machine.jpg a bit later. —Korath (Talk) 17:57, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, you only did your magic on the first one, which I've added to Sybian. dbenbenn | talk 00:34, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Images cache weirdly. I had to go to the actual image location, as given by clicking on the date link on the image page, and refresh there to get the new one to show up. (I've also just uploaded a url-free Image:Tn topco-love-machine.jpg, which'll probably need similar treatment if you've viewed the old one.) —Korath (Talk) 00:59, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, you only did your magic on the first one, which I've added to Sybian. dbenbenn | talk 00:34, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I would like to address your questions/arguments.
Damn! I am quite impressed that I have sparked dialogue with those images I uploaded. Once and for all, the I own the copyright to those images and i posted it for free use. Quite frankly, i have an operation to run (hire models, shoot, edit, and program my site) so I don't have all the time in the world to argue why we should do this or that. So if you don't hear from me for several days, do not take it for granted that I just uploaded some stolen images and walked off on a copyright violation. For those nay-sayers out there questioning if I did take these photos, stop it.
The sybian article looks a lot better now with that image. Also, if you supported me on this, go to the toyslove.com site and hit me up for a free 30 day account by going to the contact us page. I don't normally give these out except to my friends in the real world, but I have tons of bandwidth and your genuine interest in the Sybian warrants a reward ;)
I'm not done talking here because I'm busy building a top quality product, but I'll be back soon. Excuse me for now... --Buttysquirrel 03:57, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Oh, while your at it, why don't you guys discuss either deleting this image or removing it's url; Image:Sylvia_Saint_001.jpg. I certainly don't want to be the only one targeted here. --Buttysquirrel 18:50, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I guess we're more tolerant of bomis.com links, since our God-King owns that company. Anyway, that image doesn't exist on Wikipedia; it's at the Commons. dbenbenn | talk 21:40, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Ha! The irony of it all....even the cofounder of Wikiville advertises his nudist site here. Well, I have no argument there since I didn't cofound this site. This place is starting to look like a farce.--Buttysquirrel 22:09, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I just wanted to added that I have recieved an email from [email protected] which was signed "Buttysquirrel". So I do in fact now believe that the uploader is in fact who he claims to be. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 21:31, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- See also the description page for Image:Tn sybian gmax1.jpg, which has a pretty convincing link. dbenbenn | talk 23:35, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
February 5
- Image:USCent.jpeg, OR, OB. dbenbenn | talk 00:24, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Kilroy.jpg -- unencyclopedic (to put it mildly) picture on a previously-deleted vanity band article. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:33, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:USDimeObverse.jpg, Image:USDimeReverse.jpg, Image:NickelWesternReverse2.jpg, Image:NickelWesternReverse1.jpg, Image:Jeffersonnew.jpg, Image:Bisonnew.jpg, Image:Oceannew.jpg. OR, OB by Commons:Category:United States coins. dbenbenn | talk 03:35, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:WindowMaker-0.80.1-FreeBSD-4.10.jpg Screenshot of old version of software. RedWolf 05:37, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, I was the one who took the screenshot and subsequently requested its deletion when newer ones were posted. Darrien 02:34, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)
- Image:NickBergDead.png OR, UE. Okay, this is probably going to provoke some censorship debate. I'm not one for censorship generally but I do find this image particulary disturbing. Copyright status of the image is not certain either at this point. RedWolf 07:11, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
- keep, definite fair use. Not an orphan; it's linked from Nick Berg because people felt it was 'too offensive' to show inline. --SPUI 07:41, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. It's very disturbing, and I'm glad it's only indirectly linked to with a text URL. But it's historically important. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 20:41, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree. – flamurai(t) 20:43, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Rk62_deassembled.jpg should be deleted, it was replaced by Image:Rk62_disassembled.jpg. --ZeroOne 13:50, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Robertborden.jpeg, OR, OB - replaced with much superior image JillandJack 15:28, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- At Image:Ptrudeau.jpg there appears to be three (3) prior images as follows:
- (del) (rev) 22:18, 13 Oct 2003 . . J.J. (41494 bytes)
- (del) (rev) 18:24, 3 Apr 2003 . . J.J. (36771 bytes) (Canadian Premier Pierre Trudeau)
- (del) (rev) 18:20, 3 Apr 2003 . . J.J. (30573 bytes) (Pierre Trudeau, Canadian Premier)
- These three should be deleted. JillandJack 15:57, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- WHY? we keep prior versions of images just as we keep prior versions of articles both for reference and attribution reasons. Plugwash 16:15, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Hammer.jpg moved to Commons RedWolf 21:09, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Liquid Flow Effects.JPG - The uploader User:Peter Shiels originally used it for Flow meter accuracy, which he since requested deletion of. Thue | talk 21:11, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
February 6
- Image:Adornohorkhab1.png and Image:Adornohorkhab.jpg - OR, CV?, OB by Image:Maxhorkheimer.jpg and Image:Adorno-1967.jpg. User:Quadell forgot to sign this entry. dbenbenn | talk 03:46, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Wigu-comic-example.png OR, OB. Pushed to Commons. dbenbenn | talk 03:51, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Corset1878taille46 300gram.gif. OB by Commons:Image:Corset1878taille46 300gram.gif. dbenbenn | talk 04:11, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Argentina Santa Cruz.png OR, OB. dbenbenn | talk 07:03, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:BlankMap Argentina.png, OR, OB (pushed to Commons). dbenbenn | talk 07:19, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Rk62 disassembled.jpg was moved to Commons. --ZeroOne 10:28, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Argentina Buenos Aires province.png, Image:Argentina Catamarca.png, Image:Argentina Chaco.png, Image:Argentina Chubut.png, Image:Argentina Cordoba.png, Image:Argentina Corrientes.png, Image:Argentina Entre Rios.png, Image:Argentina Formosa.png, Image:Argentina Jujuy.png, Image:Argentina La Pampa.png, Image:Argentina La Rioja.png, Image:Argentina Mendoza.png, Image:Argentina Misiones.png, Image:Argentina Neuquen.png, Image:Argentina Rio Negro.png, Image:Argentina Salta.png, Image:Argentina San Juan.png, Image:Argentina San Luis.png, Image:Argentina Santa Fe.png, Image:Argentina Santiago del Estero.png, Image:Argentina Tierra del Fuego.png, Image:Argentina Tucuman.png. OR, OB by members of Commons:Maps of Argentina. dbenbenn | talk 11:38, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Timpani setup - small.jpg I made this small version of Image:Timpani setup.jpg because I couldn't figure out how to get both a frame around the image and resize it. Now that that's been taken care of, this image is obsolete. – flamuraiTM 16:53, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
- Speedy deleted as an obsolete thumbnail.-gadfium 00:39, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:2002 kenrokuen hanami 0123.jpg moved to Commons RedWolf 20:06, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:419px-Paris Hilton1.JPG UE Graffiti applied to image of Paris Hilton. RedWolf 20:10, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Potatoes.jpg moved to Commons RedWolf 20:17, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:bus.jpg Uploaded to make a weak joke about Sale, Greater Manchester and now an orphan. Dbiv 21:48, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:future.jpg as above, and this one is probably a copyvio. Dbiv 21:48, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
February 7
- Unverified orphans: Image:1 large.jpg, Image:010.jpg, Image:Crow.jpg, Image:Corvus orru.jpg, Image:Blue jay.jpg, Image:D-CPMPortfolio.png, Image:Contravariant Coordinates.PNG, Image:Dad.jpg, Image:DagestanInRUSSIAN.jpg, Image:Dali.jpg, Image:Dalida2.JPG, Image:Dallas Landsat.jpg, Image:Dallas1.jpg, Image:Dallas2.jpg, Image:Dallas3.jpg, Image:Dallas4.jpg, Image:Dalton mcgunity.jpg, Image:Dalton-headshot2.jpg, Image:Damn.jpg, Image:Damascus Steel Pocket Knife.jpg, Image:Damiao5.jpg, Image:Damigella-wiki.jpg, Image:Dan-19.jpg, Image:Danggirl.jpg, Image:Dannydevitotaxi.jpg, Image:Darkt blaze.jpg, Image:Daruma.jpg, Image:Darwin family tree v2.PNG, Image:Dasanamadiko.jpg, Image:Datacenter.jpg, Image:Daurian jackdaw.jpg, Image:David.jpg, Image:Davidfrenkhighlightsmall.jpg, Image:Davidike.JPG, Image:DavidtheBuilder.jpg, Image:Davidwatterssm.gif, Image:Dbportrait.jpg, Image:Deadly Nightshade 2.jpg, Image:Death-card.jpg, Image:Debian.jpg, Image:Declarpaintsmall.jpg, Image:Deerwindow.JPG, Image:Default.gif, Image:Deng Xiaoping.jpg, Image:Deng.PNG, Image:Deng.png, Image:Deriva Continenti 1.jpg, Image:Deriva Continenti 2.jpg, Image:Deriva Continenti 3.jpg, Image:Derrek.jpg, Image:Descendents--All.jpg, Image:Desert fox.jpg, Image:Destructive margin.png, Image:Deuce.jpg, Image:Deus-ex.jpg, Image:Devteam.jpg, Image:Dewey.jpg. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 01:48, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:1 large.jpg was attached to an article about some musician, to which it no longer seems to link. I checked the article then, and the image seemed to have been a copyvio from either the official page of the musician or another site. I think it's safe to delete it. Mgm|(talk) 11:35, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Crow.jpg is not an orphan, check it's page. Boffy b 11:17, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
- Dalton Mcguinty images obsoleted by Image:Mcguinty77.jpg. Boffy b 11:33, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
- Image:Daruma.jpg obsoleted by Image:Daruma dolls.jpgBoffy b 11:37, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
- Image:Darkt_blaze.jpg no longer orphan, added to Darkthrone. Boffy b 11:45, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
- Image:Debian.jpg obsoleted by Image:Debian with swirl left.png Boffy b
- Image:People's Bank of China logo.jpg - Taken straight from the official webpage, but was also never cropped and fills the top of People's Bank of China. Gwk 02:00, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:bearflag.jpg - redunant with and lower quality than Image:California state flag.png. --Jiang 05:05, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:1831.png - OR, CV, OB. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 12:58, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Commdiag1.png - OR, OB. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:59, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Camvmap.gif - CV?, OR, OB. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:07, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Chechnya-location.png - CV?, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:19, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Corvus brachyrhynchos .jpg and Image:Common crow.jpg are both CV, and OB by Image:Corvus brachyrhynchos 1.jpg and Image:Corvus brachyrhynchos 2.jpg. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:41, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Fish crow lithograph.jpg - CV?, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:47, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Alala.jpg - CV?, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:52, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Garrulus.jpg - CV?, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:58, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Cyanocorax.jpg - CV?, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 16:06, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Noctule.jpg - CV?, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 16:15, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Ocellated in flight.jpg - CV, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 16:15, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:D5DBKa.jpg - CV?, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:18, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:D7MoDu.jpg - CV?, OR, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:18, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:V_covbus.jpg - replaced by another image --Zxcvbnm 23:48, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
February 8
- All the images in Category:Gun images from Vroman. This was discussed on Wikipedia:Image sleuthing, and that discussion is preserved at Category talk:Gun images from Vroman. Basically, these are 31 pictures of guns, and they all seem to be copyright violations. They are all orphaned now. The decision made at Image Sleuthing was to delete them. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 00:20, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Biodiversity on clearcut.jpg - Not free, replaced by free image with the same name on Commons. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 00:27, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Falkenhayn.jpg - Replaced on commons by the far superior Image:Erich von Falkenhayn.jpg. Mackensen (talk) 01:49, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Complexoctagon.png - CV?/OR/OB. --bdesham 03:51, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Tears.jpg OR, OB. dbenbenn | talk 04:48, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I noticed that Quadell changed {{ifd}} to {{dbc}}, which puts it in Category:Images to be moved to the Commons, which is not quite accurate: this image has already been moved to the Commons. Anyway, in this case, there's no history to be kept, so I still feel this should be deleted. dbenbenn | talk 15:25, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Sqlnutzpos.jpg, OB, replaced by Image:SQZippers.gif. — Asbestos | Talk 11:39, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Concaveoctagon.png - CV?/OR/OB. --bdesham 12:10, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Unverified orphans: Image:DiGregoriosmaller.jpg, Image:Diagonal Lashing step 2.bmp, Image:DianeP.jpg, Image:Dickcheney.jpg, Image:DidYouKnow.gif, Image:Didgeridoo new authentic.jpg, Image:Didgeridoo tourist.jpg, Image:Didgeridoos massproduced.jpg, Image:Dihydroxyacetone Fischer.png, Image:Digital art.jpg, Image:DirectAdd.png, Image:DirectSum.jpg, Image:DirectSum.png, Image:Distorted.ogg, Image:Ditto machine.JPG, Image:Divine1.jpg, Image:Djaci.gif, Image:Djakovica-konvoj.jpg, Image:Djursholmsslott.jpg, Image:Dmcdolls.jpg, Image:Dna damage.jpg, Image:Dna repair.jpg, Image:Dnarepair.jpg, Image:Doa3 package.jpg, Image:Doc1.doc, Image:Doctor-0000.jpg, Image:Docu0003.jpg, Image:Dogman, Image:Dokc.jpg, Image:Dolla.jpg, Image:Dollar-zeichen.gif, Image:Dolmab1.jpg, Image:Dome ofthe rock small.jpg, Image:Domokun.jpg, Image:Dord.png, Image:Doriot.jpg, Image:Doriot2.jpg, Image:Dorothykilgallen.jpg, Image:DoubleBarredFinch.jpg, Image:Doubleslit1.png, Image:Down F-117.jpg, Image:DowntownOKC.jpg, Image:DrHo.jpg, Image:Dracula castlevania.gif, Image:Draftcropsmall.jpg, Image:Dragon.JPG, Image:Dragon.jpg, Image:Dragonclothes.jpg, Image:Dreiecksungleichung.gif, Image:Drew Barrymore.jpg, Image:Driftmigration02.png, Image:DroiteR.png, Image:Dromaius novaehollandiae.jpg, Image:Dru Sjodin.jpg, Image:Drumbla01-small.jpg. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 15:18, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Colorado potato beetle.jpg - moved to commons: under same name. --EugeneZelenko 15:32, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Congo_Red.gif - Orphan, duplicates content of Image:Congo_red.png. I uploaded it inadvertently with a batch of other structural formulae. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 15:59, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Contour.jpg - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 18:53, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Bihar.jpg, OR, OB iMeowbot~Mw 20:25, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:4mm-plugs.jpg moved to commons. Boffy b 23:18, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
February 9
- Unverified orphans: Image:Dsandor.jpg, Image:Duesseldorf.htm, Image:DukeOfAlbuquerquePaintByGiovanniBattistaMoroni.jpg, Image:Duff.jpeg, Image:Dumbbell.nebula.arp.750pix.jpg, Image:Dvorak keyboard.png, Image:Dylan.png, Image:DysertODeaHighCross.jpg, Image:E juenger.jpg, Image:E0012.JPG, Image:E0026.JPG, Image:E4db5eefe9d1c100191d1d08d888116d.gif, Image:EADS Phoenix.jpg, Image:EECumballot.gif, Image:EINF.gif, Image:EKramer.jpg, Image:ES-Municipalities-VIX.JPG, Image:EUDofCofHere.png, Image:EZero.gif, Image:Eaglem8.jpg, Image:EagleOwl.jpg, Image:Easternvirucounty.jpg, Image:East Prussia 1939.png. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 15:17, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Vampyrum spectrum close-up.jpg - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 21:26, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Lanceolated jay.jpg - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 21:26, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Red-billed blue magpie.jpg - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 21:26, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Goatse screenshot.jpg - If you do not know what this image is, please read Goatse.cx first. -- Curps 00:06, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- All discussion should go to Talk:Goatse.cx (there is a poll)
- Image:Dining philospher.png - CV?/OR/OB --bdesham 02:39, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
February 10
- Image:Uspe2004cartogram.png- Which I uploaded, only to discover a better version already exists at Image:Cartlinearlarge.png. My apologies. --L33tminion | (talk) 07:41, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Stalingrad map.jpg OR, OB. iMeowbot~Mw 12:04, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Unverified orphans: Image:Eca311.jpg, Image:Ecdad95.jpg, Image:Echizen.jpg, Image:Ecstasy of saint theresa band.png, Image:Ed mcmahon.jpg, Image:Ed-blue.jpg, Image:Eddie Mabo.bmp, Image:Edit pic02.jpg, Image:Edit pic03.JPG, Image:Edlos.jpg, Image:Edmondss.jpg, Image:Education system in Hong Kong.jpg, Image:Edward Teller.jpg, Image:EdwardKramer.jpg, Image:Edwardteller.jpg, Image:Edyta b.jpg, Image:Eeisdoingit4.jpg, Image:Eestikaart.jpg, Image:Egyarms222.PNG, Image:EgyptianA.png, and Image:Raven painting.jpg. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:27, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Camper1.jpg - OR (now), apparently CV. Listed on Wikipedia:Image sleuthing for a week, and we were unable to find a source. See the image talk page for details. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 16:14, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Cyanopica cyana2.jpg - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 17:48, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Vesper bat.jpg - OR, CV?, OB – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 17:54, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:125px--007Lazenby.jpg OB, is a scaled down version of an already existing photo Image:007Lazenby.jpg K1Bond007 18:35, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Noctilio leporinus.jpg - OR, CV?, OB by Image:Noctilio leporinus stamp 1.jpg and Image:Noctilio leporinus stamp 2.jpg – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 18:37, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Image:2100NiMH.JPG - OR, CV?, OB by Image:NiMH 2500mAh.jpg, after Wikipedia:Image sleuthing --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:42, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Cuneiform tablet.jpg - OR, CV?, OB by Image:Cuneiform tablet - Kirkor Minassian collection - Library of Congress.jpg, after Wikipedia:Image sleuthing --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:42, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Image:William Lee - Project Gutenberg eText 14689.png - OR, loaded in error thinking it was William Lee. It wasn't :( --Tagishsimon (talk)
- Image:EUnit.gif - CV?/OR/OB --bdesham 21:38, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)