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===Basic stuff and comments===
===Basic stuff and comments===
* The "known for" parameter is not necessary for the infobox.
* The "known for" parameter is not necessary for the infobox.
::Works for me, taking it out will probably stop arguments about what goes in. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* Add a comma after "Shortly after her birth".
* Add a comma after "Shortly after her birth".
* Remove the comma after "a decade earlier".
* Remove the comma after "a decade earlier".
::Both done [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* "most watched" {{right arrow}} "most-watched"
* "most watched" {{right arrow}} "most-watched"
::Is that grammatically correct? In this case "most-watched" is not a direct adjective. Any grammar pedants around to clarify? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* Can #Legacy be merged into #Death ([[MOS:PARA]])?
* Can #Legacy be merged into #Death ([[MOS:PARA]])?
::As far as chapter and verse of the MOS goes, it's right on the edge. However, "Legacy" is posthumous activities celebrating her life and work, without directly referring to her death. Although it's short, it's not ''too'' short. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* For the filmography tables:
* For the filmography tables:
:* References should be centered.
:* References should be centered.
:::I don't know how to do that, sorry [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
:* Year/Title/Role should be sortable.
:* Year/Title/Role should be sortable.
:* Use scope row for the first column.
:* Use scope row for the first column.
::: Fixed [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
:* Every guest appearance needs a source.
:* Every guest appearance needs a source.
:::I've removed the unsourced entries. I did have a look for them, but only found IMDB and tabloid newspapers, which is a more general problem with this article anyway. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* #Radio should be converted into prose.
* #Radio should be converted into prose.
:: The problem then is it turns it into a duplicate of the existing prose in "career", making it redundant. It should either be the table here, or removed. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* Can #Television, #Radio, and #Bibliography be merged?
* Can #Television, #Radio, and #Bibliography be merged?
::This came up on the talk page (see Talk:Caroline_Flack#Filmography), but there doesn't to be any consensus. Other television actor GAs (eg: [[Graham Chapman]], [[Laurence Fox]]) use a single "Filmography" section, so I've gone with that. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* Archive sources (you can do it manually or use [https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle this tool]).
* Archive sources (you can do it manually or use [https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle this tool]).
:: I think that's been done; it was run about 7:00 UTC yesterday. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* Mark references from ''The Daily Telegraph'' with "|url-access=registration".
* Mark references from ''The Daily Telegraph'' with "|url-access=registration".
* Mark references from ''The New York Times'' with "|url-access=limited".
* Mark references from ''The New York Times'' with "|url-access=limited".
::Both done [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* Properly cite #8 (found after "Watton, Norfolk").
* Properly cite #8 (found after "Watton, Norfolk").
:: Replaced with a citation from her autobiography. I've tried to limit the number of citations to this, but I think it's reasonable to assume Flack is the best source for which school she attended. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* Don't use "publisher" for websites such as ''Deadline Hollywood'' and ''Sky News''.
* Don't use "publisher" for websites such as ''Deadline Hollywood'' and ''Sky News''.
::Fixed [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* #89 is missing a website (''Deadline Hollywood'').
* #89 is missing a website (''Deadline Hollywood'').
::Fixed. My gut feeling was ''Deadline Hollywood'' doesn't sound like a good source, but consensus at [[WP:RSP]] is that it can be used for biographies. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


===Progress===
===Progress===
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#It is '''reasonably well written'''.
#It is '''reasonably well written'''.
#:a ''(prose, spelling, and grammar)'': {{GAList/check|}}<br/> b ''([[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|MoS]] for [[WP:LEAD|lead]], [[WP:LAYOUT|layout]], [[WP:WTW|word choice]], [[WP:WAF|fiction]], and [[Wikipedia:Embedded list|lists]])'': {{GAList/check|}}
#:a ''(prose, spelling, and grammar)'': {{GAList/check|Pass}}<br/> b ''([[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|MoS]] for [[WP:LEAD|lead]], [[WP:LAYOUT|layout]], [[WP:WTW|word choice]], [[WP:WAF|fiction]], and [[Wikipedia:Embedded list|lists]])'': {{GAList/check|Pass}}
#It is '''factually accurate''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiable]]'''.
#It is '''factually accurate''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiable]]'''.
#:a ''(references)'': {{GAList/check|}} <br/>b ''(citations to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]])'': {{GAList/check|Pass}} <br/>c ''([[Wikipedia:No original research|OR]])'': {{GAList/check|Pass}} <br/>d ''([[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyvio]] and [[Wikipedia:Plagiarism|plagiarism]])'': {{GAList/check|Pass}}
#:a ''(references)'': {{GAList/check|Pass}} <br/>b ''(citations to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]])'': {{GAList/check|Pass}} <br/>c ''([[Wikipedia:No original research|OR]])'': {{GAList/check|Pass}} <br/>d ''([[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyvio]] and [[Wikipedia:Plagiarism|plagiarism]])'': {{GAList/check|Pass}}
#It is '''broad in its coverage'''.
#It is '''broad in its coverage'''.
#:a ''(major aspects)'': {{GAList/check|Pass}} <br/>b ''(focused)'': {{GAList/check|Pass}}
#:a ''(major aspects)'': {{GAList/check|Pass}} <br/>b ''(focused)'': {{GAList/check|Pass}}
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'''Overall''':<br/>
'''Overall''':<br/>
''Pass/Fail'': {{GAList/check|hold}}<!-- Template:GAReview -->
''Pass/Fail'': {{GAList/check|Pass}}<!-- Template:GAReview -->
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Latest revision as of 08:25, 27 June 2021

GA Review

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Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 16:37, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I'm going to be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 16:37, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Basic stuff and comments

[edit]
  • The "known for" parameter is not necessary for the infobox.
Works for me, taking it out will probably stop arguments about what goes in. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add a comma after "Shortly after her birth".
  • Remove the comma after "a decade earlier".
Both done Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "most watched" → "most-watched"
Is that grammatically correct? In this case "most-watched" is not a direct adjective. Any grammar pedants around to clarify? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can #Legacy be merged into #Death (MOS:PARA)?
As far as chapter and verse of the MOS goes, it's right on the edge. However, "Legacy" is posthumous activities celebrating her life and work, without directly referring to her death. Although it's short, it's not too short. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the filmography tables:
  • References should be centered.
I don't know how to do that, sorry Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Year/Title/Role should be sortable.
  • Use scope row for the first column.
Fixed Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Every guest appearance needs a source.
I've removed the unsourced entries. I did have a look for them, but only found IMDB and tabloid newspapers, which is a more general problem with this article anyway. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • #Radio should be converted into prose.
The problem then is it turns it into a duplicate of the existing prose in "career", making it redundant. It should either be the table here, or removed. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can #Television, #Radio, and #Bibliography be merged?
This came up on the talk page (see Talk:Caroline_Flack#Filmography), but there doesn't to be any consensus. Other television actor GAs (eg: Graham Chapman, Laurence Fox) use a single "Filmography" section, so I've gone with that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Archive sources (you can do it manually or use this tool).
I think that's been done; it was run about 7:00 UTC yesterday. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mark references from The Daily Telegraph with "|url-access=registration".
  • Mark references from The New York Times with "|url-access=limited".
Both done Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Properly cite #8 (found after "Watton, Norfolk").
Replaced with a citation from her autobiography. I've tried to limit the number of citations to this, but I think it's reasonable to assume Flack is the best source for which school she attended. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't use "publisher" for websites such as Deadline Hollywood and Sky News.
Fixed Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • #89 is missing a website (Deadline Hollywood).
Fixed. My gut feeling was Deadline Hollywood doesn't sound like a good source, but consensus at WP:RSP is that it can be used for biographies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Progress

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GA review
(see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):
    b (citations to reliable sources):
    c (OR):
    d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):
    b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
    b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail:

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