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Sports table module

@FrenchFootball: Please understand that Module:Sports table is an all-purpose table for the majority of sports, and not just association football. I put in a lot of effort to adapt Module:Sports table/Custom to suit the style of Top 14, with its bonus points counting to the sum of points as well, among other things. — AFC Vixen 🦊 (talk) 18:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel: Can you please explain what your "actual update" is all about? — AFC Vixen 🦊 (talk) 01:42, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To include tries and summaries of bonus points. This style of table is literally found in every European league. There is no reason for this to change for this one. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 01:53, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel: Arguing that the current table should stay because it is in other articles is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument that lacks an opinion as to why you think the current table is better than Module:Sports table. The sports table module is used very widely across Wikipedia, because its ability to automate table positions and sums of points makes it significantly easier for people to edit than having to manually add, change, and/or rearrange every single point of data into the table.

If you wanted the bonus points to be resolved into try and losing bonuses, and for tries to be included as well, then I can easily add those into the table's code. However, a WP:RELIABLE source would need to be found to verify these. The official Top 14 table does not document tries and only documents the total bonus points. The current source used in the table says all teams have 0 tries and 0 try bonuses... so it is clearly inaccurate. Le Figaro does not record tries or a breakdown of bonus points, and neither does the BBC or Sky Sports. Do you have a reliable source for these statistics that we could use? — AFC Vixen 🦊 (talk) 05:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel: You still have not answered my inquiries, especially about your opinion as to why the current table is better than Module:Sports table, and about the inaccurate, unreliable source currently being used. Communication is required. Between the lack of communication and your rather condescending edit summary, I am starting to reconsider my presumption of good faith. — AFC Vixen 🦊 (talk) 23:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::{{Reply to|Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel}} Arguing that the current table should stay because it is in other articles is an [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] argument that lacks an opinion as to ''why'' you think the current table is ''better'' than [[Module:Sports table]]. The sports table module is used very widely across Wikipedia, because its ability to automate table positions and sums of points makes it significantly easier for people to edit than having to manually add, change, and/or rearrange every single point of data into the table.
 ::If you wanted the bonus points to be resolved into try and losing bonuses, and for tries to be included as well, then I can easily add those into the table's code. However, a [[WP:RELIABLE]] source would need to be found to verify these. The [https://www.lnr.fr/rugby-top-14/classement-rugby-top-14?season=32442&day=38871 official Top 14 table] does not document tries and only documents the total bonus points. The [https://www.ultimaterugby.com/top-14-2022-2023/table current source] used in the table says all teams have 0 tries and 0 try bonuses... so it is ''clearly'' inaccurate. [https://www.lefigaro.fr/sports/rugby/top-14/classement ''Le Figaro''] does not record tries or a breakdown of bonus points, and neither does the [https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/top-14/table BBC] or [https://www.skysports.com/rugbyunion/competitions/top-14/tables Sky Sports]. Do you have a reliable source for these statistics that we could use? — [[User:AFC Vixen|AFC Vixen]] 🦊 ([[User talk:AFC Vixen|talk]]) 05:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
+::{{Reply to|Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel}} You still have not answered my inquiries, especially about your opinion as to why the current table is better than Module:Sports table, and about the inaccurate, unreliable source currently being used. [[Wikipedia:Communication is required|Communication is required]]. Between the lack of communication and {{Diff||1125134694|1125122459|your rather condescending edit summary}}, I am starting to reconsider my presumption of [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|good faith]]. — [[User:AFC Vixen|AFC Vixen]] 🦊 ([[User talk:AFC Vixen|talk]]) 23:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)