User talk:Meursault2004

Meursault, welcome to Wikipedia! Please look at Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers and Wikipedia:How to edit a page if you want tips for getting started here. You can ask questions at the Village pump or leave a question for me on my talk page. I hope you enjoy it here, Jwrosenzweig 21:01, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Garuda

thanks for the Geruda info. Xah P0lyglut 07:24, 2004 May 5 (UTC)

RPG

Sorry for bothering you but if you are interested in history online role playing games you could join http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/SHWI-ISOT/ - im a player already and we could use an Indonesian player. PMA 14:04, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Thanks - i hope you can join. PMA 13:56, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

School of Athens

tks for your observation :) --Jic 00:18, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Unicode

The ones I use most frequently I keep on my user page for copy-pasting. A few specialized ones I dumped on Talk:Ashtadhyayi. If you cannot find a sample of the glyph you want, you need to search for it on http://unicode.org/charts and then enter its code manually, the first time, e.g. Ṣ for Ṣ, (and later, you can just copy-paste that). regards, dab (ᛏ) 13:14, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

btw, would you be into creating such a table of cognate IE words for all IE branches? It could be a list-type article, or a huge template. See, I'm not too sure we want to give too many languages for the Tocharian table, since the point of that is mainly to compare Toch A & B, not every IE Tochtersprache. dab (ᛏ) 13:22, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image:Java languages.JPG

Hi! Thanks for uploading Image:Java languages.JPG. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the image and I'll tag it for you. Thanks so much, – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 17:40, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

Javanese language

Hey there. Thanks for all your help on this article. I just wanted to let you know that I moved the discussion to Talk:Javanese_language off of my user page. I'm sure I'll talk to you soon. Bubamara 08:35, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Trey Stone and Davenbelle

Hi! Trey Stone has Requested Arbitration with me:

• Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Trey Stone and Davenbelle
• Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Trey Stone and Davenbelle/Evidence

You are mentioned in evidence that I have presented and I'm bringing this to your attention. Comments and evidence of your own are welcome.

Sincerely, Davenbelle 01:09, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hi again; if you're unfamiliar with the arbitration process, I'd suggest the talk pages:

• Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Trey Stone and Davenbelle
• Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Trey Stone and Davenbelle/Evidence

Your call which, depending on what you're saying.

I've also been updating the RfC re Trey Stone.

Sincerely, Davenbelle 11:03, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Please see this as well: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Trey Stone. Dankjewel. -- Viajero 17:23, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Suharto

Hi, Thanks for your input. I'm interested in what edits of Trey Stone' you agree with on Suharto; on talk or here. Thanks. — Davenbelle 09:19, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Hi again. I understand your point ^diff; I've restored all of the image edits and the like, and hope that you'll take a pass at adjusting the remaining differences. Thanks. — Davenbelle, Republic of Gilead 07:29, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

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Hallo weer, bedankt voor je berichtje. Als ik mag zeggen ben ik verast dat je nederlands spreekt. Ik weet niet zoveel van de post-koloniale houdingen tussen Nederland en Indonesië, maar ik had altijd de indruk dat de Nederlanders hebben niet zo veel diep culturele sporen achtergelaten, dat weinig mensen daar nu nederlands spreken. Ik heb wel's gelezen dat de Hollanders gaf de voorkeur om die enkele tienduizdenden ambtenaren die erheen gestuurd worden om de kolonië te beheren javaans laten leren spreken in plaats van de inheemse volken nederlands leren. Ik wist dat wat oudere mensen daar nog wel nederlands spreken, maar ik wist niet dat jongeren zoals jij ook. Hoe heb je het geleerd? Op school of op universiteit? Zoals je misschien gezien heb, zelf ben ik geen Hollander, wel woon ik in Amsterdam al twintig jaar. Pas op mijn 24ste ben ik begonnen de taal te leren, dus ik weet donders goed dat het niet meevalt. Een heel lastig zinsopbouw. Ik spreek het redelijk goed, maar nooit, tot mijn spijt, zal ik het perfect schrijven. Ik zou dolgraag een keer Indonesië willen zien; ze zeggen dat het een beeldschoon land is. Ik vind de eten ook lekker, minstens dat wat we hier krijgen, de koloniale interpretatie ervan: de rijstafel. Al die lekker sambals... hmmmm... Dáág. -- Viajero 14:15, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Indien

Hi. Thanks for the India edits and your support. I am trying my best to make India have the most interwiki links and since Javanese wikipedia has some of the most articles, I focused on it. I also tried a Tok Posin page, but don't know if it is correct. Thanks,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 11:48, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Failed state

See my comments at Talk:Failed_state#Belgium ~ Dpr 09:11, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

can u expand on the Bharatajuddha Kakawin?

Can add more info on Bharatajuddha Kakawin? --Dangerous-Boy

I'm not German or dutch.

I'm an Indian American and my main interests on wikipedia is Hinduism. I found the Bharatajuddha Kakawin mentioned on Kediri. Feel free to changed the title to the correct spelling. I just find it neat that Hinduism existed elsewhere other than India. --Dangerous-Boy

Banyumasan language and misc

I'll take a look at the Banyumasan language article, thanks. I still have to go over the last section of Javanese language. I've gotten kind of busy in my actual physical life . . . Oh, and to answer your question from long ago (April), I don't have any connection to the Javanese language, I was just trolling for articles that needed editing, and came up with that one. It was my first sizable wikipedia project.

ps. If you are ever in Oakland, California, USA, I'll buy you a beer. Bubamara 17:00, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey. I saw your notes about factual accuracy in the Talk:Banyumasan_language page. Unfortunately, I'm relying completely on you to make it accurate. I don't know enough about the subject matter. If you'll edit for accuracy, I'll edit for language & style. . . I'll keep my eye on it - but I'm not planning to touch it until you do. Let me know if that's ok. Bubamara 07:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Have you read my recomment in my personal page ? I have a lot of questions to ask, if you don't mind may I send it to your email adress please ? Slamet Serayu

Improving Indonesia-related articles

I've created a Regional Notice Board for Indonesia-related topics. Please review it, and post your thoughts at its Talk Page.--Daniel June 29, 2005 00:29 (UTC)

Bonjour Monsieur Etrangere, I noticed that you have contributed a few images on the Indonesian Wikipedia, especially related to Zoetmulder and Indonesian Chinese. Would you be willing to upload these images to the English Wiki for use in the English version of the articles, please? Hatur nuhun! Julius.kusuma 15:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

What's Wilayah in Indonesian

Wilayah doesn't mention Indonesian usage of the term. I'm pretty fuzzy on it (does it have a precise meaning, e.g. subdivision of a propinsi or just "region"?), but I'm guessing you know - maybe you could add something to this article?

Singkong 6 July 2005 13:42 (UTC)

Hi Dhanny Jauhar here ... I still wait for your e mail as I think I need your advice on putting an article related to INdonesia ... I am thinking to write the history why car in Indonesia is having the control in the right (right Wheel) while it is obviously known that in the Netherland (the longest country ever colonized Indonesia) all the car is having left wheel. Thanks.

Birthday greetings

User:Jenmoa/birthday --Jen Moakler 01:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the birthday cake! That made my day. XD --Jen Moakler 17:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Merci pour votre aide sur mon erreur typographique dans l'article Mutually intelligible languages. Comment dit-on "Merci" en indonesien/malaysien contemporain? ~ Dpr 05:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Shas

Notice my remark in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shas

Sorbian

Hi, several weeks ago you asked a question at Talk:Sorbian languages, which I've only now gotten around to answering. Sorry for the delay! --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 12:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Pantheism & Monism and Romo Kuntoro Wirya

Wah nuwun sekali lagi, I had meant to take the issue about the book with Pak Merle in Canberra in 97, and I keep meaning to go back to Yk to speak to my friends there about issues of 'the mist' that is a constant image in the thesis (one of the story of origin of the imogiri gravesite was that it was a place covered in mist) Thanks again SatuSuro 16:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC) aka vcxlor

Maaf - this dropping names and bringing up obscure issues was the result of being up too late - seperti waktu goro goro. Will try and explain all the links and coincidences and things later.SatuSuro 03:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Semua hal-hal tentang 1994 -1996 masih persoalan besar. Saya tinggal di Yk dengan Keluarga (tiga anak dan isteri) seperti "Post-Grad Student" riset Imogiri (hubungan UGM sedikit). Romo Kuntoro possibly friend of Ibu Bakdi, dan Bakdi Soemanto was my "sponsor"... So it was Yk for one year september 95-september 96 and even one very embarrassing article in Kompas about my research!SatuSuro 14:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to dig a copy up, it was probably mid to late -1996. I had to give a talk to the centre that Pak Kayam and Bakdi were at, and my Bahasa left me, and I reverted to inggeris, very embarrassing. The story in Kompas was a small one, but I cringe at the memory. I have a massive bibliography of the most obscure articles I found on imogiri, giriloyo, banyusumurup, and many other places: the best book on imogiri was given (in photocopied form) from Pak merle - Babad Alit - all in javanese script from the Balai Pustaka series from the 1920's, about the time that PBX was doing massive renovations at Imogiri. I could go on, I better stop!SatuSuro 14:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Oh Ibu Tien died when I was in Yk, and I tried to keep as many klippings as possible, as it was national royalty - and on gunung lawu, not imogiri!SatuSuro 14:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

TYOLD

Ok it isnt a war movie, then why is a wiki editor qualified to call 65/66 'The Indonesian Civil War',?? My wife, (who had done an honours thesis on an aspect of 65/66) had never heard of the phrase being used - I never have. I am mystified why wiki procedures allow something like that! SatuSuro 15:26, 13 January 2006 (UTC) dengan hormat!

Satu, I chose "Indonesian Civil War" as a specifically NPOV title for the period. "G30S" is a specifically Suhartoist take on it, and given that even if the G30S plot were true there's still the question of whether the onus should be on them, or whether it should be on the Council of Generals they accused of treason. "Indonesian Coup of 1965/66" was another option on the table, but who committed a coup against whom is arguable.

At any rate: why not call a military conflict, which took hundreds of thousands of lives, and ended up in regime change a civil war?--Daniel 15:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

2 things, this was first meant as a non-circularised message  :) and I am sorry if I hadnt indicated as such. Problem with wikipedia being a golfishbowl  :) I am afraid I have no further comment online.  :) SatuSuro 21:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Messages

Meursault, any further comments I might wish to share have will have to be made out of wiki space. Otherwise, saya diam sekarang. Seeya! SatuSuro 21:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Translation request English -> Tamil/other Dravidian languages

In Indonesian, the word for horse is kuda. Some say that this word is derived from Tamil. Is this correct? Thanks. Meursault2004 18:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk to User:Ganeshk. deeptrivia (talk) 01:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

In Tamil, it is kudhura (ra is pronounced as in rat). Pretty close. - Ganeshk ^{«talk»|«contribs»} 13:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Indonesian Indian

The article should mostly stay focused on Indian rather Pakistani and Sinhalese. The other overseas Indian groups topics seem to focus on only Indian. Only south asian overseas groups cover both Indian, pakistani, etc. I'll proof read some more later on. Nice work on the article by the way. A--Dangerous-Boy 03:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

Yes to your question about romo zoet, I think that I need to consequently work on the Muntilan article as well, I tried a Malioboro start also . Thank You for your offer of help in Imogiri. SatuSuro 10:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Yours and SatuSuro's Criticisms

Just wanted to speak with you on the whole Indonesian Civil War controversy. I'd just like to say: I'd be fine with a change in title. My chief concern is that the title be accurate and keeps to NPOV but does not gloss over the facts in the process. So long as a new title does not violate that, I'm not going to dig in my heels.

I bring this up because SatuSuro has accused me of being too possessive of this article and Suharto. I just wanted to clarify that while I state my opinions in forceful way and report frequently on what I do, I don't do that to "take possession" of an article over other editors; I do it to stay accountable and above-board. --Daniel 05:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Look, I have a personal logistics/health problem, won't be on wiki regularly for quite a while - (sorry mersault my imogiri work is on hold) but I really think that if there are sufficient I-C-W re-directs my criticism is not warranted as long as there acknowledgement that the average indonesian wouldnt know what it meant in the title! At the time I made the first comments, I thought that there was room for more ancillary articles (like ibu tien, mbak tutut etc on one hand and also aspects of 65/66) but then I realised that defending the main suharto article from almost constant vandalism would tire anyone out (and stress them out as well). well time has run out for me, so I will try to re-emerge in a healthier and stronger edit mode in the middle of the year (or sooner I hope). My apologies to you both, I had hoped to be more robust in my article creation and editing mode, but later...Sampai nanti teman teman SatuSuro 05:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Matur Nuwun, terima kasih - thank you, fortunately its all curable! Seperti dengan dukun pintar, when I get around to it, must tell you story about tuesday kliwon and my favourite dukun!SatuSuro 01:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Māori cognates

The main reason I think that the words you mention are unlikely to be cognates of the word 'māori' is the glosses you give, which are all to do with life/living and so on. The word Māori does not mean anything like that - it means 'normal, ordinary.' So that sea water is 'wai tai' while fresh water is 'wai māori'. It later became used as the name of the people because they were ordinary while the foreigners from Europe were strange, pale and spoke funny.

The words you mentioned may be cognate with the Māori word 'mauri' which is the life force or spiritual essence of something, or perhaps with the word 'ora' meaning 'health', 'life'. Neither of those words (mauri, ora) is cognate with the word 'Māori' - they just have a superficial similarity.

I think that another thing to watch is that Māori, like all Polynesian languages, has lost consonants along the way - I would expect that a Javanese cognate would have a consonant between the vowels - - it might have the form m+vowel+CONSONANT+vowel+l or r+vowel+consonant. Also ma- in these words may be a grammatical or derivational prefix which was not present in the oldest forms and which could therefore be misleading us.

And even if it was said in a lecture, that doesnt make it true either - was the lecturer an expert in Oceanic linguistics, or just a Javanese specialist? Kahuroa 11:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Your lecturer

If you are serious about talking with your lecturer about the cognates of 'Māori', then here is the reconstructed Proto-Polynesian word: [.PN MAQOLI *ma(a)qoli. :True, real, genuine.] Where q is the glottal stop. So that glottal stop would likely be represented by a consonant of some form if there are cognates in Javanese. I know nothing about Javanese let me add, so anything I said above was only conjecture. There is also a variant form [.PN MAQONI :True, genuine]. The word 'mauri' on the other hand, has these cognates: [.AN MAQURI :Live, soul, alive; POC *maqudi(p); PMP *hudip "to live"; PAN *`undip; PBN *mauri "to live"] Kahuroa 21:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Great map!

Hi - my compliments on Image:Mataram 1830-en.png - it's very clear and well done! I'd just been reading something last week that had left me confused by the relative locations of the various political entities of the region. So your work is well-timed and cleared things up nicely for me - and is a good addition to the article. CDC (talk) 16:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Sekali Lagi - saya setuju, dan 'Enclave Sk' masih di dalam itu! Excellent, very good map. Kalau tanpa enclave sk, saya kwatir, tetapi.... Sekarang, hampir hilang hal hal sakit, tetapi "logistics" dari rumah ke ramah baru "limits" wiki presence sampai April atau Mei. Masih ingat tentang artikel imogiri dan lain lain, dan lihat edit kecil di artikel. Foto foto banyak nanti, dari daerah Imogiri dan Yk. I can't wait to start uploading them, but I have to wait! Wah terlalu lama! Sampai nanti. SatuSuro 13:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

To your question, sulit sekali mas! Kalau saya lupa semua dari 95/96, dan riset dari waktu itu, (the most complex issue, in some cases villages were split in half). "Monograph Imogiri oleh Engelbrecht van Bevervoorde, has lists (circa 1904/1095)" I have it in copy, but once again, It will have to wait.Maaf.SatuSuro 13

41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Dandi of Sri Dandin

Hoi Meursault, was het leuk donderdag? Zo te lezen wel, ik zag jullie foto en bericht in de 'kroeg' :-) En ging het goed? Iets anders: ik zie toevallig hier op de en: wiki twee pagina's over hetzelfde: Dandi (poet) en Sri Dandin. Hoe moet je zoiets aankaarten? Groeten, Lestari 20:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration request

I would like to inform about the Arbitration request concerning the long discussion on Talk:Dutch language.

[The link to the Arbitration request will follow soon, as I have to inform you before posting]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Statement_by_Sander_on_Talk:Dutch_language

Sander 10:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

lots of requests on the indonesia board

I put some up...--Dangerous-Boy 06:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

hm.. probably:

• Parisada Hindu Dharma
• Balinese script
• Old Javanese
• Sanjaya Dynasty
• Maharishi Markandeya

and any of the figures connected to the Majapahit Empire--Dangerous-Boy 18:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Request to review translation

Hi Meursault, I've just translated Kakawin Hariwangsa from id:Kakawin Hariwangsa, but not having any background in either Javanese literature or the Hindu religion, I'm reluctant to let it stand as it is. Would you mind reviewing the translation for me? Thanks,--Sepa 12:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello again... thanks for taking a look at the translation... you didn't make too many major corrections, so that makes me happy! I don't have a particular interest in Javanese literature, and did at the request of Dangerous Boy... but I find it interesting, so I'll work my way through his suggestions slowly. It's good to know I can come to you for help, though! Thanks again, --Sepa 12:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi... I've just created a stub for Kakawin, which I thought you might like to take a look at, and see if there is anything else you could add, as you're the resident expert! I've included some references, but I don't know how the reference links work, so if you do, please correct them. I was also wondering if it was worth creating a category of Kakawin... how many are likely to have articles created for them? Anyway, let me know your thoughts, --Sepa 09:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello again... what do you mean you are taking a wiki-break? Is that allowed for persons with a 'fatal' wikiholic score of 560?!

You are right, I am Australian, although the reason I referenced Helen Creese was because hers were the only articles I could access on Kakawin. I have been living in London, in the UK, for the last eight years, and I don't attend a university, so my resources are limited to those freely available on the internet. There are a lot of articles only available through the Muse system, but only libraries have access to those, which is very frustrating. Ironically, one of my Indonesian lecturers when I was studying in Australia 9 years ago is Dr Tom Hunter, who has translated several Kakawin. His articles are only available through Muse, unfortunately.

Anyway, enjoy your wikibreak, and the football, and I will look forward to seeing your contributions to the article... as you speak Dutch, Indonesian, and Javanese, your contributions will be much more effective than mine, as I am forced to rely on non-existent English sources! Cheers, --Sepa 10:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Howdy, I like what you've done to the Kakawin article... it makes sense of a lot of what was in the Indonesian article, but which I couldn't make head or tail of at all. I was particularly interested to see the translation and origin of guru laghu.

Yes, I know Tom, but only as a student of his 9 years ago... please give him my best, I have often wondered how he was going. My name, btw, is Kylie Fowler... athough I wouldn't be surprised (but I would be dissapointed) if he didn't remember me! I enjoyed his classes. I would enjoy working on more Kakawin together, and in the meantime, while you are watching the football, I will create the Kakawin category and continue my efforts in trying to bring the Kartini article up to featured status, which is what I work on when I'm not getting sidetracked by Javanese literature :) --Sepa 14:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know I made a few minor changes to Bhinneka Tunggal Ika - "notable" for "particular" (particular isn't really used in that context); "promotes" for "propogates", (propogates has horticultural overtones, and has an implication of direct action on the part of someone to it...does that make sense?!); and I rearranged the first paragraph so it is a more direct style of speech. I hope that is OK... I sometimes feel quite protective of my posts, so I understand if you do too. See you... selamat malam...--Sepa 14:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello Revo, it's good to "meet" you too. Yes, Kylie is a girl's name... it is quite a common name for Austalian women around my age (I am 32, btw), and now it is quite a common name for young girls all over the world thanks to Ms Minogue!

Thank you for updating me on what Tom is up to. The situation in Yogya is very sad, isn't it. Poor Indonesia has been having a very unlucky time of it in the last 18 months or so!

The Kartini article really needs some more references, particularly for those bits which talk about the controversy surrounding whether the letters are genuine or not. Someone nominated the article for "good article" status, and the reasons it failed had mostly to do with the lack of references (there are extensive notes on why it failed on the "talk" pages. It would be really great if you could find some if you have time between work and the football!

You would be very jealous of where I sit at my work... we have a big screen right near my desk which has the football on it! Unfortunately I don't really understand football so I can't comment on the game, but I was very happy to see the final scoreline! I am looking forward to the Brazil match on Sunday - I know of course we will lose, but there is a small hope inside of me that we will cause the upset of the century by beating them.

What are you doing in the Netherlands? Selemat sore, --Sepa 20:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

That is very interesting that you have been living in the Netherlands for the last 20 years... you must have been quite young when you moved there. It seems strange to me to hear of a Javanese person living in the Netherlands, as the part of Indonesia that I am most familiar with is South Maluku, and of course there are many Ambonese living in the Netherlands, including many relatives of my Ambonese 'family', who I lived with as an exchange student when I was a teenager.

From what you wrote, it sounds like you would quite like to move back to Indonesia permanently, although you're not really 100% certain... I can sympathise, as I have a similar dilemma between Australia and Britain. There are so many wonderful opportunities in Europe, particularly in London, and I love how London is so multi-cultural and vibrant, but at the same time I really miss my home town and would really quite like to go home to live. But I also know that if I did move back to Australia then I would be homesick for London in the same way I'm homesick for Australia now. I just have to accept that I have become a chronic sufferer of 'rindu' and can never be cured!

Well, I will see you later, Kylie.--Sepa 21:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Gempa Bumi

Devastated by the impact on my "home ground" near Imogiri, the loss of life and shelter I find very terrible. Merapi and Earthquake articles I find also probelamtic. Anyway slowly back, trust all is well with you! SatuSuro 10:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC) Over the year I lived there, I used to catch the local bus from Yogya down to the Imogiri market at least 2 times a week for close on 45 weeks, some weeks more; then the motor bike rides criss crossing through the area, and then the crazy in the middle of the night bicycle rides from Adisucipto area down to the graveyard ( 4 am on the yogya ring road on bicycle is spooky!) and to think that basically all that I passed (and the people) even though it is ten years later - most gone. I worry about the older people I knew around Imogiri, and I dont think I will be able to go in for a year or so to find out. The photos of the gapura/gate/door collapses at the graveyard online on detik are quite distressing. I now have a very expensive scanner - and in about three months all my negs/and photos from the fieldwork, I will be trying to get them up. There was a large catholic church at the west end of Imogiri, near the east turn of the road towards the market and then the graveyard, I wonder how that fared! Anyway, I think I will be slowly trying improve articles about the place now, in respect of the memory of the people who were lost - so many older people who knew so much, and had such difficult lives. Sampai nanti. SatuSuro 12:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Very close to be regular again (after so long) trust you are well, hopefully new articles and cleanups soon :) sekarang SatuSuro user and sig  !SatuSuro 11:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Indonesian govt adminstration

Sorry for talking in Indonesian Language here:) Bung Revo, rupanya Anda cukup aktif di en-wiki. Iya, benernya saya juga pengen merombak artikel dan penamaan sistem administrasi Indonesia di sini. Kayaknya emang harus dipecah ya, sebagai perbandingan artikel Utrecht dipecah jadi Utrecht (province) dan Utrecht (city), dan bahkan Utrecht (agglomeration). Mestinya Yogyakarta juga yah, demikian pula Klaten dipecah jadi Klaten (regency) dengan Klaten (town) (bukan Klaten (city)) :) Kalo city untuk kota otonom (d/h kotamadya), kalo town boleh ibukota kabupaten, ato boleh juga kota kecamatan. Tapi BTW saya masih punya banyak kerjaan di id-wiki, dan lebih baik nyetandarin dulu artikel2 serupa di id-wiki, baru nanti di en-wiki. Salam :) wic2020^{talk bicara} 04:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Mas Revo, mungkin Anda bisa ikut memberikan pendapat mengenai usulan saya di sini. wic2020^{talk bicara} 07:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah!

Oh yeah, sorry I suddenly got distracted with this Colonization of Venus article and I completely forgot about everything else until just now when I remembered. That looks great, thanks. I didn't expect it to be so long. I think I'll leave a message on the LFN wiki as well to let them know. Mithridates 14:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

How are you (apa kabar) Meursault2004? And welcome to Wikipedia! Just to let you know, at the Indonesian WikiProject there are a group of editors collaborating to improve the articles related to Indonesia. We hope you can join us to make the project even better!

Here are some Indonesia-related project resources which may be of use:

• Indonesian WikiProject
• Indonesia Portal

Hope you find these useful. If not you can improve them, it's Wikipedia!
Okay, happy editing and take care.

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Barnstar

Anyone can award a barnstar! You don't need to be an admin, and neither the giver nor the recipient needs to be from the country. So if you see someone helping this Wikiproject, place the following on their wall:

Image	What to type	Land
The Indonesia Barnstar	{{subst:The Indonesia Barnstar of National Merit|message ~~~~}}	Indonesia BarnstarIndonesia

I know you are my senior, but, but.. :P Cheers -- Imoeng 03:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Spinach & bayam

Hi Meursault2004,

Having an issue with Spinach and id:Bayam - they keep getting interwiki-linked, though they're not the same. Do you know what the Indonesian is for Spinach? Or would it just be called spinach, as a foreign word? Thanks --Singkong2005 ^talk 16:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Gadjah Mada University people

Created the article, if you know any other famous alumni it would help. Also, could you help out with Dewa Made Beratha and Gedong Bagus Oka? I'm somewhat like Dangerous-boy, and like to dabble in Hinduism worldwide so I thought I would ask a good Indonesian speaker for help. Singkong seems to be a bit busy at the moment, so I'm asking you for that reason.Bakaman _Bakatalk 16:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Blokkade op de Nederlandse Wikipedia

Graag uw stem voor mijn deblokkade op de pagina http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blokkeringsmeldingen#Voor_opheffing_van_de_blokkade: Extremely sexy 19:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Hartelijk dank voor uw steun inderdaad, vriend. Extremely sexy 13:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia image license

Hi, I changed of license tag for images that you've uploaded to commons (Image:Soeharto.jpg as one example). I've made also license tags suitable for Indonesia according to Indonesia Copyright Law. See commons:Copyright_tags#Indonesia. Just to let you know and also for the ID-wikipedians. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 14:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Request

" Artikel ini perlu dikembangkan agar dapat memenuhi kriteria sebagai entri Wikipedia.

Bantulah untuk mengembangkan artikel ini. Jika tidak dikembangkan, artikel ini dapat dihapus

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ITs on id:Gedong Bagus Oka article. Gedong Bagus Oka was one of the foremost authorities on Hinduism in Indonesia. I dont know what it means but I'm guessin it means "this doesnt assert notability". Could you translate that text for me?Bakaman _Bakatalk 05:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Indonesia Newsletter

New newsletter WikiProject Indonesia has grown incredibly! Two months ago, when the project was created, there were only two members, but now, we have got over 20 members, and hopefully it will keep increasing. Because of this large number, now WikiProject Indonesia has it's own newsletter, which will be delivered every week on Monday morning, around 22:00 (UTC). If you have any idea and suggestions, please do not hesitate to contribute to the next newsletters. We also need to find a better banner for the newsletter, so just post it on project's talk page. With your help, we can reach the even the impossible goal! "Bersatu kita teguh, bercerai kita runtuh" What's new? Several ways to increase the interactions between editors have been proposed. For now, the best solution would be the IRC Channel just for WikiProject Indonesia. Please go to #wikipedia-id if you have had experiences with IRC Channels. Or read the instructions at Wikipedia:IRC. Three new barnstar design have been proposed! If you find a great editor with excellent contributions to Indonesia-related articles, give him/her a barnstar, or maybe two or three! See the barnstars at Wikiproject Indonesia Barnstars.

Articles improvements The previous two weeks were maybe the best and tiring week for some of us. On the good side, we have got a new Good Article, which is Toraja. Congratulations for all editors who have involved in the expansion. Yet we have failed to get two Good Article status, which are Tourism in Indonesia and Indonesien. However with the spirit of 1945 we will always accomplish many things! Starting this week (October 17), the collaboration durations have been extended, so now we can collaborate to improve a particular article for two weeks straight. Please leave any recommendations or suggestions on the collaboration talk page. Collaboration Last week's collaboration: Indonesia Current collaboration: Communications in Indonesia Help choosing the next article for next fortnight's collaboration. Many thanks to MartinBotII, a state-of-the-art Martinp23's bot for delivering the newsletter

Berkas:Soekarno.jpg

On 3 March 2004 you uploaded a photograph of Soekarno to the Indonesian Wikipedia, which since has been copied to several Wikipedias, including the English one: Image:Soekarno Indonesia.jpg. As you can see there, the "fair use" claim is deemed insufficient: "To the uploader: this tag is not a sufficient claim of fair use. You must also include the source of the work, all available copyright information, and a detailed fair use rationale." If I understand correctly, this played a role in the recent delisting of the article Overthrow of Sukarno. Do you have any further information about the photograph that can help to establish the "fair use" claim? Terima kasi  --Lambiam^Talk 13:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Java collaboration

Hi Meursault2004! Starting today, the Indonesia Collaboration is Java. Come along and help make this an article worthy of the world’s greatest island. There’s a suggested to-do list on the the talk page to which you can add, or just pick a task. All sorts of tasks are required, Images, Citations, Research, Copy Edit; you name it, it needs to be done – this important article needs your help!! Regards -- Imoeng 08:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Sprache

Just saw your editing the language part of the Java article - Peter Carey I am sure had a quote in one of his works of what Pangeran Diponegoro thought of the language of the pasars in his time - the language of the chooks (ayam) - clearly thinking that Javanese was well above it all! SatuSuro 13:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. SatuSuro 22:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Indonesia Newsletter

The project so far... Last week, two more members have joined the project, and really boost the progress of articles editing. Danny Yee and Lestari, welcome to the project, hopefully you will enjoy your stay. So, we officially have got 26 members! More than 440 articles have been tagged with the WikiProject Indonesia template, well done to all editors who have contributed this far. Also, while copy-editing is a very useful thing to do, researching and expanding the article, or maybe one or two sections would be extremely useful, because it is the goal of the collaboration, expanding and getting a good article status. What's new? Several ways to increase the interactions between editors have been proposed. For now, the best solution would be the IRC Channel just for WikiProject Indonesia. Please go to #wikipedia-id if you have had experiences with IRC Channels. Or read the instructions at Wikipedia:IRC. For people who choose not to receive this newsletter, please add your name to this list. Instead of receiving this newsletter, the bot will only send you the link to a particular newsletter.

Articles improvements We have got another Good Article nomination! Congratulations to all editors, especially Indon, who have improved it significantly, maybe you can give six barnstars. So, with the nomination, we officially have had four good articles. Hopefully we can get plenty good articles in the future, or even featured articles. The last collaboration was not a huge success, the Pulau Dewata is still a "start" article and has not improved much. However, seems like the collaboration spirit is back and Java has improved gradually, thanks to all editors. Collaboration Last week's collaboration: Bali Current collaboration: Communications in Indonesia Help choosing the next article for next fortnight's collaboration. Many thanks to MartinBotII, a state-of-the-art Martinp23's bot for delivering the newsletter

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Variations

Mearsault - I would be very interested in your opinion of -Nothofer, Bernd Dialektgeographische Untersuchungen in West-Java und im westlichen Zentral-Java - Wiesbaden : Harrassowitz, 1980 - is it still relevant? is it accurate in showing the differences? I get quite frustrated by bland generalisations from less detailed sources - and myself used to always refer to "south central Java rather than larger areas - and was absolutely enthused to find a food display in the mid 90's where some people at one of the universities in Yogya had separated "favourite foods" - separating villages or group of villages by their favourite groups of food - with differences sometimes no more than 20km in distance. I do hope it is not too complicated a question! SatuSuro 15:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your response - because my understanding of german is limited - the Nothofer text is difficult for me - and I enjoy reading Uhlenbeck (what a relief it is in english translation) - but my big problem is how to utilise the information for an article - the Ron Hatley 'other java's away from the kraton' text smaller also helps - I suppose I am thinking of 'regional variations' in javanese culture- because the differences are more than west, central and east - they can be at a district level as well with language, food, etc - or at least in the past... I do not know what changes might have occurred in the last decade though.... Thanks again SatuSuro 15:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The whole direction of my current thinking is of course in the opposite direction to my work when I was in Yogya - which was trying to understand what the local people thought of the 'centre' - the royal palaces - and the royal graveyards! I promise you I will get back to my royal graveyard articles - and I will no doubt ask for your help when I get to them! SatuSuro 02:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Mount Tambora is on FAC

Hi, sorry for this spam. I've submitted Mount Tambora on FAC. Perhaps you can give some comments or vote there. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 16:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. I am trying to expand the Archeological evidence section, but other reviewers want more about other angles. So I have expanded the article for Eruptive History, Monitoring and Ecosystem sections. It has now growth into almost more than 32kB. So I think the Archeological section is more or less enough by now. Perhaps I can added more in Sumbawa or Sasak articles. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 10:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

	Thanks for your support for Mount Tambora at its article's FAC entry. The article is now featured. It's the first real Indonesia-related article to become featured.
	— Indon (reply) — 11:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia collaboration

Hi Meursault2004! It's the last few days of the Garuda Indonesia collaboration. Please contribute!!!

Also, could you please vote for the next fortnight's collaboration? Please vote down the bottom of this page. The collab for the fortnight will be decided this Sunday 26th (or Monday at the latest). By the way, we could also chose Garuda Indonesia for another week.

So please visit and help choose the next article. Any questions/comments, please let me know. I'd love to hear from you particularly if you have any good suggestions! :-) --Merbabu 10:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, Meursault2004! This fortnight we've chosen: >>>Majapahit Kingdom<<<. Please help in referencing, check my newly added headings, improve prose, diagrams, but most importantly is RESEARCH so we can actually grow the article. Any other suggestions for improvement, please leave on the article's talk page. Yes, please discuss on talk page!

Also, can you please post suggestions for the following fortnight's collaboration. Please leave your suggestions at the bottom of this page. Hopefully i will remember to remind you to vote in about a week (someone else remind me!).--Merbabu 14:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. thankd for your message. I understand you might speak Dutch? I've been doing some research for Indonesian architecture and much of the internet sources appear to be in Dutch. perhaps you could help me out one day? I will try to put them through Babelfish and ask if I have a specific question. Also, may I ask you to take some photos if you have time? I am particularly after a pic of the old Bank Indonesia building in jakarat? I will mention it soon in the article. Here is a pic[1]. Do you know this building? --Merbabu 04:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello there Meursault2004. For the next two weeks we have chosen >>>Indonesian War of Independence<<< for the Indonesia Collab. Also, please vote for the next fortnight. Maybe we should chose a stub article. So far, we have had already longish articles and they are therfore hard to expand. Here's a list of Indonesian underdeveloped articles: [2]. Please let me know if you have any suggestions (or if you do not want me to message you about the collabs). kind regards --Merbabu 12:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. This fortnight's Indonesia Collaboration is > > > Indonesian language < < <. Please contribute! Please nominate for the next collab here. What about choosing one the shorter Indonesia stubs this time? kind regards Merbabu 15:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks for your message. And thanks for posting it at the village pump. Merbabu 10:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Id wikipedia

Hi Meursault, I have a favour to ask. On the Indonesian wikipedia the Minangkabau article is called Suku_Minang. I think it would be better renamed to be Suku_Minangkabau, to bring it into line with the same article on every other edition of wikipedia. The term Minangkabau is the formal term, and Minang is just an abbreviation. Would you be able to move the article? Thanks. (MichaelJLowe 02:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC))

Thanks, much appreciated. Happy holidays to you too. (MichaelJLowe 09:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC))

You're a celebrity now ;-)

Hi, I found one article at Kompas: [3], about you. Great work man! Keep id wikipedia alive. Oh, if fellow id wikipedians have a lot of spare times to create high quality english version at EN, then it would be great. :-) Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 18:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Gosh, you're really a heroic person. Just curious, how many javanese readers for jv version? :P Oh, I'm not in Australia, I'm very close with where you live, but I prefer not to tell my exact location (though I bet you can easily check my whereabout). — Indon (reply) — 19:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Nee, dat is niet het goede antwoord. :D Okay, good luck with the jv version. Perhaps you might want to invite SatuSuro. — Indon (reply) — 19:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, what do you think about List of volcanoes in Indonesia article that is now in featured list candidates? — Indon (reply) — 19:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Maaf, saya bukan orang jawa - orang oz-tralian - with limited knowledge of javanese language! Fortunately the article in Kompas tentang saya cannot be found - they dont archive that far back in time (phew!) . SatuSuro 15:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - maybe you should email me! SatuSuro 16:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Mehmet Murat İldan

An article about id:Pembicaraan:Mehmet Murat İldan / Mehmet Murat İldan is not relevant to readers in languages that he has not been translated into. And the english article is obviously lying about his reputation, as it foresees how his reputation will be in the future. Please note the intro statement "Following his epistolary novel, en:The First Sorrows of Young Werther, he is regarded as a romantic writer", when the book in question is due to be published in february this year. This is indeed prophetic skills by the article's author. When the article also states that this unpublished «The First Sorrows of Young Werther» is his magnum opus, we an easily assume that this author is not notable, yet. --en:Orland 07:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC) --no:Orland 24. jan 2007 kl. 10:57 (CET)

Jakarta

Hey, good to see the photos at Merbabu's talk page! Hope the weather's improved - and the water dropped... SatuSuro 14:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much. I will make use of them soon. Nice work! Merbabu 12:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Indonesia - February Newsletter

Hello there! Please click here for the latest edition of the Wikiproject Indonesia Newsletter.

We hope it gets you interested in the some aspect of the project. Please contact Indon or Merbabu if you have any comments or suggestions (or do not want to receive this newsletter). regards Merbabu 08:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Picture of the Week

A picture that you uploaded entitled Museum Nasional Indonesia.jpg has been selected as Picture of the Week on the Portal Indonesia for the Week 9, 2007. Thank you for your contribution to promote images of Indonesia.

— Indon (reply) — 11:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Geen dank. Als je meer beelden vanuit Indonesie hebt, kan je alsjeblieft aan mij vertellen. (hehe sorry lagi belajar bhs belanda, betulin klo salah ya). BTW, I found beautiful images from Indonesian Wikipedia, as in id:Istana Bogor, but I think they have some license problems to be uploaded into Commons. — Indon (reply) — 10:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Raam Punjabi.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Raam Punjabi.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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Raam Punjabi

Thank you for your message. But why do you think that this image fails to meet the fair use criterion? Meursault2004 04:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

As Mr. Punjabi Is a living healthy person, not incarcerated nor otherwise absent from public life, it's possible for someone to take a picture of him and release it under a free licensing. According to English language Wikipedia's policy, we should only use unfree material when it's not possible to create a free alternative. Note that, even if we don't have a free replacement right now, we can't use the replaceable image. Item 8 of Wikipedia:Fair use#Counterexamples deals exactly with this case. Best regards, --Abu badali ^(talk) 16:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)