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The article name Catholic Church was set in 2009. Branch theory-derived and theological neutrality-appealing WP:POV/WP:PRECISION (ambiguity) objections tend to be dismissed along WP:IDONTLIKEIT/WP:POINT/WP:FRINGE lines. However, what has nevertheless settled the WP:CONSENSUS since 2009 is interpretation of WP:COMMONNAME/WP:PRIMARYUSAGE; both echoing preeminent self-designation. Generic articles since followed suit per WP:CONSISTENCY until all generic Catholic Church-related content pertained in 2017 (notably excluding episcopal conferences, provinces, dioceses, and some independent organisations). A naming conventions mirroring this consistent, arguably de facto convention, was drafted here in September 2017 with background in User:Vaquero100/CC vs. RCC from 2006, in turn a mix of an essay and a naming convention proposal previously referred to in discussions. While in a drafted state, a formal admission proposal by voting was initiated by a user but failed after a few days 6 October 2017. It has since been renamed and maintained in a failed proposal state. Though, a follow-up discussion includes a derived Cuius regio, eius religio-styled convention. In 2018, a new proposal was drafted at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Catholicism).

These naming conventions regarding the Catholic Church is a collection of guidelines on how to name Wikipedia articles about the Catholic Church, as well as associated people and entities. It is offered as a central point of reference. For articles' respective very text contents, please refer to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Catholic Church.

The guiding principles of naming articles relating to the Catholic Church are as follows, in order of relative priority:

Follow all general Wikipedia policies, including the policies on Wikipedia:Article titles (WP:Concise), WP:Neutral point of view, WP:No original research, and WP:Verifiability, as perceived through WP:Consensus
Subject to WP:Consistency for convienience

Guidelines

The universal Catholic Church

Articles that apply to the Catholic Church in general should use the phrase "Catholic Church" or the adjective "Catholic". Such articles should be recognisable, natural, precise, concise, and consistent with other Catholic Church-related titles, and should reflect a neutral point of view. For example:

Catholicism

Articles that apply specifically to Catholic things, but not necessarily the entire Catholic Church, should use the phrase "Catholic". In some cases where confusion might arise because of the presence of multiple particular churches sui iuris the phrase Roman Catholic may be used as a disambiguator for the Latin Church based on local consensus.

The term Catholic or its derivatives such as Catholicism are appropriate when referring to organisations, doctrines, and practices that have a historical connection to the Catholic Church and/or Catholicism. For example:

The scope of the term Catholicism might differ from the term Catholic Church, in that Catholicism might be perceived as reflecting a broader spectra, including beyond that of the Catholic Church in an ecclesiological sense.

Particular churches sui iuris

Articles about Catholic particular churches sui iuris should use the full name. For example:

Chaldean Catholic Church
- Chaldean Catholics

However, one exception is:

Syriac Maronite Church
- Maronites

Latin Church

There has been active discussions on the names of entities related to the Latin Church. There is currently not an overarching consensus as to whether or not Roman Catholic should be used in reference to distinguish entities particular to the Latin Church, such as dioceses.

National polities

Examples:

Ecclesiastical provinces

Example:

Ecclesiastical Province of Freiburg

Episcopal conferences

Shortcut

WP:EPISCOPALCONFERENCES

As for episcopal conferences - often but not always equivalent to sovereign national territories - the WP:Consistency is as follows:

"Episcopal Conference of X", for instance:
- Episcopal Conference of France
- Episcopal Conference of Germany

Other alternatives have been refuted on the following grounds:

"Spanish Episcopal Conference": Because not all episcopal conferences follow one nation, and it would be inconvenient to name all of these as adjectives
"Bishops Conference", "Bishop's Conference", "Bishops' Conference": Too much inconsistency

Dioceses

Notably, for article names of Catholic dioceses, particularly those located in historically Catholic-minority, Christian regions, Roman Catholic is often used, though, consensus on its use seems unclear.

Individuals

Titles of articles relating to people should generally follow Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). However, it is a recurrent practice within the Catholic Church to sometimes indicate leading figures with a prefix, for example:

Exceptionately also sobriquets apply, such as Albertus Magnus.

Saints follow MOS:SAINTS.

As for most cases in ordained people commonly referred to by their Latin names, this use is generally discouraged, but rather their native name or its prevalent equivalent in English language is advocated.

Related subjects

Articles that pertains to both the Catholic Church and a given subject, typically follow the formula Catholic Church and X. For example:

Disambiguations

If necessary for disambiguation, articles that apply broadly to the whole Catholic Church should preferentially contain the ending in the Catholic Church. For example:

Redirects

Articles containing "Catholic", "Roman Catholic", "Catholicism", and similar phrases should redirect to pages pertaining to the Catholic Church.

However, disambiguation pages are also due:

Kategorien

Top: Category:Catholic Church, with WP:Consistency generally applied also in subcategories, as indicated here inter alia.

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-{{ombox|type=content|text=These naming conventions were drafted in September 2017 out of [[User:Vaquero100/CC vs. RCC]] as background, in turn a sort of a mix of an essay and a naming convention proposal that hade already previously occationally been both referred to and also applied in discussions. While in a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Catholic_Church)&oldid=803670047 drafted stage], it was tested in a [[Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Catholic_Church)#RfC:_should_this_page_be_made_a_naming_convention|formal admission proposal]] but dismissed by a voting after a few days 6 October 2017.}}
+{{ombox|type=content|text=The article name [[Catholic Church]] was [[Talk:Catholic Church/Archive 30|set]] in 2009. [[Branch theory]]-derived and [[Roman Catholic (term)|theological neutrality]]-appealing [[WP:POV]]/[[WP:PRECISION]] (ambiguity) objections tend to be dismissed along [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]/[[WP:POINT]]/[[WP:FRINGE]] lines. However, what has nevertheless settled the [[WP:CONSENSUS]] since 2009 is interpretation of [[WP:COMMONNAME]]/[[WP:PRIMARYUSAGE]]; both echoing [[Catholic Church#Name|preeminent self-designation]]. Generic articles since followed suit per [[WP:CONSISTENCY]] until all generic Catholic Church-related content pertained in 2017 (notably excluding episcopal conferences, provinces, dioceses, and some independent organisations). A naming conventions mirroring this consistent, arguably ''[[de facto]]'' convention, was drafted here in September 2017 with background in [[User:Vaquero100/CC vs. RCC]] from 2006, in turn a mix of an essay and a naming convention proposal previously referred to in discussions. While in a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Catholic_Church)&oldid=803670047 drafted state], a [[Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Catholic_Church)#RfC:_should_this_page_be_made_a_naming_convention|formal admission proposal]] by voting was initiated by a user but failed after a few days 6 October 2017. It has since been renamed and maintained in a failed proposal state. Though, a follow-up discussion includes a derived ''[[Wikipedia_talk:Proposed_naming_conventions_(Catholic_Church)#Cuius_regio.2C_eius_religio|Cuius regio, eius religio]]''-styled convention. In 2018, a new proposal was drafted at [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Catholicism)]].}}
-{{Nutshell|The terms Catholic Church and Catholic are acceptable names for the worldwide church in [[full communion]] with the [[Pope]] in [[Holy See|Rome]]. Although [[branch theory]]-derived ambiguity objections tend to be rejected along [[WP:FRINGE]] lines, what has tended to settle the [[WP:CONSENSUS]] is [[WP:PRIMARYUSAGE]]. Article names (and by consequence its content) should not be changed from this convention without strong reason.}}
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 These '''naming conventions regarding the Catholic Church''' is a collection of guidelines on how to name Wikipedia articles about the [[Catholic Church]], as well as associated people and entities. It is offered as a central point of reference. For articles' respective very text contents, please refer to [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Catholic Church]].
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 # Follow all general Wikipedia policies, including the policies on [[Wikipedia:Article titles]] ([[WP:Concise]]), [[WP:Neutral point of view]], [[WP:No original research]], and [[WP:Verifiability]], as perceived through [[WP:Consensus]]
 # Subject to [[WP:Consistency]] for convienience
-==Working out a central point of reference==
-It is suggested that this policy document is updated taking into a account a few previous essays and likes: [[User:Vaquero100/CC vs. RCC]], [[User:Pseudo-Richard/Names of the Catholic Church]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism/Terminology]]. As for arguments for "Roman Catholic" , there is [[Wikipedia:Catholic or Roman Catholic?]].
 ==Guidelines==
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 ** [[Catholic Church in Ireland]]
 * [[Catholic Church in the United States]]
+===Ecclesiastical provinces===
+Example:
+* [[Ecclesiastical Province of Freiburg]]
 ===Episcopal conferences===
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 Saints follow [[MOS:SAINTS]].
-As for most cases in ordained people commonly referred to by their Latin names, this use is generelly discouraged, but rather their native name or its prevalent equivalent in English language is advocated.
+As for most cases in ordained people commonly referred to by their Latin names, this use is generally discouraged, but rather their native name or its prevalent equivalent in English language is advocated.
+===Related subjects===
+Articles that pertains to both the [[Catholic Church]] and a given subject, typically follow the formula ''Catholic Church and X''. For example:
+*[[Catholic Church and art]]
+*[[Catholic Church and science]]
 ===Disambiguations===
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 ===Categories===
+Top: [[:Category:Catholic Church]], with [[WP:Consistency]] generally applied also in subcategories, as indicated [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 August 12#Category:Roman Catholic universities and colleges by country|here]] inter alia.
-Top: [[:Category:Catholic Church]].
-There has been multiple cases of [[WP:Consensus]] for this [[WP:Consistency]] also in its subcategories, as indicated [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 August 12#Category:Roman Catholic universities and colleges by country|here]], and in similar cases.
 ==See also==