Talk:Battle of Khresili

Peacock tag

Mr. Guye, can you elaborate on your addition of the {{Peacock}} tag on the article? There is no |reason= param explaining what WP:Peacock terms you were worried about. If it's decisive, that is a standard (non-puffery) word used to describe certain battles, which is fully appropriate when sources describe it thus. I'm considering removing the template. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I suppose I should have added {{essay-like}} or {{pov}} instead of peacock, because the problem is far more extensive than a few adjectives. The article overall seems to play up the importance of the battle and overall paint a pro-Georgian narrative. For example:

1. The importance of battle of Khresili is often misunderstood and underestimated.
2. The battle of Khresili was a Georgian reconquista
3. and the only remnant of past Ottoman glory in this treaty was an annual tribute of 60 women (of any ethnic origin, not necessarily Georgians), which king Solomon failed to honor anyway.
4. This marked the end of two centuries of Turkish influence in Western Georgia, during which kingdom of Imereti was a vassal of Ottoman Empire.

None of this is cited or attributed to any author. There are more instances like that too. It just seems like the whole article seems to be more about pushing a narrative than recounting a series of events. It would be one thing if it was backed up by cited quotes from respected scholars, but it isn't. See articles like Battle of Kapetron and Siege of Krujë (1450) for good examples of articles about battles. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  21:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mr. Guye: Thanks. Indeed, I noticed both #1 and #2 above almost immediately. I would probably have done something about it shortly after posting my comment here, only as I started to investigate to see what to do about it, I realized it was only the tip of the iceberg of a huge problem at this article, and decided that incremental changes to fix those two (and other similar) was a bit like sweeping the deck on the Titanic. (But they should probably be fixed anyway, pending other, bigger changes.) Mathglot (talk) 21:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

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