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== Continue discussion about draft here ==

{{ping|Palukiwa}} It looks like we are kicked out of the Teahouse for discussing this draft. Future discussions should take place here.

I think you've done well at finding additional references. I would like to see the article be reviewed by an independent reviewer, since I've been too heavily involved to be completely impartial. [[User:jmcgnh|<b><span style="color:#248F7D">&mdash;&nbsp;jmcgnh</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#58D582">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/jmcgnh|<span style="color:#8F7D24">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 23:23, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

:Too much content seems to have been removed in the attempt to avoid violating WP:OR. The village is most notable for being a Karen settlement with unique religious practices. That should be mentioned at the very least. Even if English-language sources are lacking, there're still plenty of Thai sources providing an overview of the subject.[http://www.komchadluek.net/news/lifestyle/155082][https://www.sarakadee.com/2010/08/22/letongku/][http://portal.dnp.go.th/FileSystem/download/?uuid=28d0ade4-68a4-4fc6-b5b2-972554632b42.pdf] --[[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]]) 16:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)



:::I see my article Laytongku has been accepted and published. Thank you.[[User:Palukiwa|Palukiwa]] ([[User talk:Palukiwa|talk]]) 18:43, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I found a promising English-language academic source which could be used to support the article. What I'd do is read through the chapter (and others covering the Talaku in general—try searching for "Talaku" or "Telakhon") and re-work the original draft to incorporate the information that is supported by the sources into the article. --[[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]]) 07:05, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
*{{cite book|first=Kwanchewan |last=Buadaeng |chapter= Constructing and Maintaining the Ta-la-ku Community: The Karen along the Thai-Myanmar Border |title=Imagining Communities in Thailand: Ethnographic Approaches|editor-first=Shigeharu|editor-last=Tanabe|date=2008|publisher=Mekong Press|place=Chiang Mai|isbn=9789741339648|pages=83–106|url=http://www.urbanlab.org/articles/tourism/Hirai%202008%20-%20imaginated%20communities%20Thailand.pdf}}

I do have Buadueng, Kwanchewan as one of my possible source references but not this work. I have '''Negotiating religious practices in a changing Sgaw Karen community in north Thailand:'' unpublished-PhD thesis, University of Sidney. Since I didn't have the text I couldn't read it so dismissed it especially since it was listed as: 'unpublished', now however you gave me a direct link so I can check it out.[[User:Palukiwa|Palukiwa]] ([[User talk:Palukiwa|talk]]) 15:53, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I've printed the article by Buadueng, read it and find it very informative and interesting. Much of it is already known to me, however, in its detail much comes as a welcome visit.[[User:Palukiwa|Palukiwa]] ([[User talk:Palukiwa|talk]]) 12:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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@Palukiwa: It looks like we are kicked out of the Teahouse for discussing this draft. Future discussions should take place here.

I think you've done well at finding additional references. I would like to see the article be reviewed by an independent reviewer, since I've been too heavily involved to be completely impartial. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 23:23, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Too much content seems to have been removed in the attempt to avoid violating WP:OR. The village is most notable for being a Karen settlement with unique religious practices. That should be mentioned at the very least. Even if English-language sources are lacking, there're still plenty of Thai sources providing an overview of the subject.[1][2][3] --Paul_012 (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]


I see my article Laytongku has been accepted and published. Thank you.Palukiwa (talk) 18:43, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I found a promising English-language academic source which could be used to support the article. What I'd do is read through the chapter (and others covering the Talaku in general—try searching for "Talaku" or "Telakhon") and re-work the original draft to incorporate the information that is supported by the sources into the article. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:05, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Buadaeng, Kwanchewan (2008). "Constructing and Maintaining the Ta-la-ku Community: The Karen along the Thai-Myanmar Border". In Tanabe, Shigeharu (ed.). Imagining Communities in Thailand: Ethnographic Approaches (PDF). Chiang Mai: Mekong Press. pp. 83–106. ISBN 9789741339648.

I do have Buadueng, Kwanchewan as one of my possible source references but not this work. I have 'Negotiating religious practices in a changing Sgaw Karen community in north Thailand: unpublished-PhD thesis, University of Sidney. Since I didn't have the text I couldn't read it so dismissed it especially since it was listed as: 'unpublished', now however you gave me a direct link so I can check it out.Palukiwa (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've printed the article by Buadueng, read it and find it very informative and interesting. Much of it is already known to me, however, in its detail much comes as a welcome visit.Palukiwa (talk) 12:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]