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{{Online source|small=yes|author=Matthew Ricketson and Daniel Ziffer|date=September 12, 2006|url=http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/viewers-shout-themselves-hoarse-over-abc-bestiality/2006/09/11/1157826873972.html |title=Viewers shout themselves hoarse over ABC bestiality|org=The Age|section=September 2006}} |
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==Neutral Point of View== |
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I added the "Neutral Point of View" template because I think this article's tone isn't suitable for an encyclopedia article. What's with all the "Some of these men loved her in return," "Catherine's apparent whole-hearted adoption of all things Russian (including Orthodoxy) may have prompted her personal indifference to religion," and my personal favorite "she believed." This looks like something copied off some mediocre high school history book; now, it ''is'' interesting to read but still a bit too opinionated, especially for a reference work. I believe this article needs a major rewrite so that it mentions only the facts and lets the reader decide for himself whether she believed or not. I hope everybody sees it the way I do.-[[User:Kaimoconn|Kaimoconn]] ([[User talk:Kaimoconn|talk]]) 23:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC) |
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EDIT: I can see some people agree with me about the need to rewrite this article because of its redundant style as well.-[[User:Kaimoconn|Kaimoconn]] ([[User talk:Kaimoconn|talk]]) 23:13, 2 April 2011 (UTC) |
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:I have replaced the tag with a copy edit tag. NPOV means that you think the article is biased in some way. [[User:Scolaire|Scolaire]] ([[User talk:Scolaire|talk]]) 15:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC) |
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The language in this article is often unclear and of a subjective tone. E.g. |
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Catherine wanted to become an empress herself and did not want another heir to the throne. But Empress Elizabeth blackmailed Peter and Catherine that they both had been involved into a plot of Russian military in 1749 to execute the will of Catherine I and to crown Peter together with Catherine. Elizabeth requested her legal heir from Catherine. Only when a new legal heir, the son of Catherine and Peter, survived and appeared to be strong had Elizabeth allowed Catherine to have real sexual lovers because Elizabeth probably wanted to leave both Catherine and her accomplice Peter III without any rights for a Russian throne in revenge for the participation of the pair in military plots to have themselves crowned in her stead.[17] |
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This segment should be rewritten to improve its logic. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.18.223.139|70.18.223.139]] ([[User talk:70.18.223.139#top|talk]]) 19:55, 14 January 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Russian Propaganda (subsection of Personal Life)== |
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Hey! Since this Wiki entry is about a Russian person, shouldn't it be deleted? I mean since evil Russia decided all by its evil self to invade and destroy Ukraine, shouldn't ALL Russian writers, historical figures, politicians, athletes, inventors, entrepreneurs, cat sellers, tennis players, soccer moms, etc be deleted from the digital universe? I mean, Russia doesn't exist anymore until USA invades it right? WTF!? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.30.64.190|217.30.64.190]] ([[User talk:217.30.64.190#top|talk]]) 18:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Poniatowski (subsection of Personal Life)== |
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The subsection could benefit from more citations added (the only one here does not concern Poniatowski personally). I have raised a citation need against this sentence, which as a British reader particularly alerted me, as it's not something I heard of: |
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''In 1757, Poniatowski served in the British Army during the Seven Years' War, thus severing close relationships with Catherine.'' |
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No mention of this is made in Poniatowski's own wiki article. If he did, then more detail would be appreciated which could go into his biography - was he combatant volunteer in British uniform or just an attached military observer, where was he on the field and what formation/unit was he with?[[User:Cloptonson|Cloptonson]] ([[User talk:Cloptonson|talk]]) 10:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Belated signature |
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== Opinion, lack of citation / sources == |
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The section on Catherine's policy toward Serfs reads like a bad high school history essay, or something translated by Google from another language. Its repetitive, overly wordy and yet somehow still unclear. Three consecutive sentences begin with the word "however." Its unclear what the passage means when it discusses the serfs wanting to replace Catherine with the "true" empress, and contradictory in that it begins saying that serfs viewed her positively then ends by saying she was viewed negatively. [[Special:Contributions/2603:7000:8303:E89B:9925:C36B:90A6:FD64|2603:7000:8303:E89B:9925:C36B:90A6:FD64]] ([[User talk:2603:7000:8303:E89B:9925:C36B:90A6:FD64|talk]]) 03:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC) |
The section on Catherine's policy toward Serfs reads like a bad high school history essay, or something translated by Google from another language. Its repetitive, overly wordy and yet somehow still unclear. Three consecutive sentences begin with the word "however." Its unclear what the passage means when it discusses the serfs wanting to replace Catherine with the "true" empress, and contradictory in that it begins saying that serfs viewed her positively then ends by saying she was viewed negatively. [[Special:Contributions/2603:7000:8303:E89B:9925:C36B:90A6:FD64|2603:7000:8303:E89B:9925:C36B:90A6:FD64]] ([[User talk:2603:7000:8303:E89B:9925:C36B:90A6:FD64|talk]]) 03:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Ballet in Arts and Culture == |
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This sentence (citation 86) is poorly written: It entered into a contract with the Italian teacher-choreographer Filippo Becari, who must was “the most capable of dancing” children to learn “to dance with all possible precision and to show themselves publicly in all pantomime ballets”. [[Special:Contributions/89.240.42.140|89.240.42.140]] ([[User talk:89.240.42.140|talk]]) 22:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Opinion, lack of citation / sources
[edit]This entry is riddled with opinion and large sections of it have no underlying source material. Needs to be flagged as problematic and re-written 193.119.103.214 (talk) 00:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Confusing sentence
[edit]I do not understand this sentence:
The global trade by Russian natural resources and Russian grain provoked famines, starvation and fear of famines in Russia.
Is this merely an error of preposition (e.g. by->of) or is there something missing (say, “The global trade by Catherine’s Trade Ministry of Russian natural resources” &c.)? 136.56.21.109 (talk) 23:30, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Serfdom Section is Poorly written
[edit]The section on Catherine's policy toward Serfs reads like a bad high school history essay, or something translated by Google from another language. Its repetitive, overly wordy and yet somehow still unclear. Three consecutive sentences begin with the word "however." Its unclear what the passage means when it discusses the serfs wanting to replace Catherine with the "true" empress, and contradictory in that it begins saying that serfs viewed her positively then ends by saying she was viewed negatively. 2603:7000:8303:E89B:9925:C36B:90A6:FD64 (talk) 03:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Ballet in Arts and Culture
[edit]This sentence (citation 86) is poorly written: It entered into a contract with the Italian teacher-choreographer Filippo Becari, who must was “the most capable of dancing” children to learn “to dance with all possible precision and to show themselves publicly in all pantomime ballets”. 89.240.42.140 (talk) 22:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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