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== Italian War Crimes during Italian Fascist Occupation of Slovenia 1941-1943 and the change of British policy towards their persecution due to the possibility of Italian communists winning the 1946 general election ==
== A better map? ==
[[File:Britain and the hand-over of the Italian War Criminals - relevant quotes.png|thumb|right|The screenshots - except the relevant quotes - are intentionally blurred to avoid copyright infringement claims.]]
Foreign Office (i.e. British civil authority, but not the military) policy was indeed '''initially''', as you say, in favor of 'hand-over' of the Italian war criminals, but the British and American '''military authorities''' in Italy were against it (p.520)<ref name="Pedaliu_JContHistory">[[Effie Pedaliu]] (2004) [http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4141408?uid=3739008&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=47698766073667 Britain and the 'Hand-over' of Italian War Criminals to Yugoslavia, 1945-48]. Journal of Contemporary History. Vol. 39, No. 4, Special Issue: Collective Memory, pp. 503-529 (JStor.org full article)</ref>, but the Foreign Office changed its policy (ibid., p.523), too, when in 1946 the possibility was that '''Italian communists''' would win the Italian general election, which would open Italy to Soviet influence, so they decided to drop the case and let Italy do the job (ibid., p.526) resulting in the (highly indicative) fate of Graziani and Roatta (ibid., p.525). The British '''concern to secure''' the electoral victory of the '''Christian Democrats''' "prompted Britain to '''drop all of its war crimes claims against Italy'''" (ibid., p.527). See the screenshots from the scholarly article via JStor.org</br>

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–– <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DancingPhilosopher|DancingPhilosopher]] ([[User talk:DancingPhilosopher#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DancingPhilosopher|contribs]]) 11:18 9 October 2015 (UTC)</small>
The clearest maps in thus article are one from the grim years of WWII and another of the climate zones with temperature charts included. The map of statistical regions is good but by design it lacks city names. I think it would improve the article to have a map showing major cities (especially Ljubljana) and showing enough of the neighboring nations to place it in Europe. I have seen such a map in the past, but cannot find it online now.


== Slovenia in "Central, Eastern & Southeast Europe" ==
The map in the info box serves mainly to show it is a small nation. Reading that map, it pays to know that already, to find the dark green bit that is Slovenia.


Regarding the unexplained anonymous edit made on Thursday - I fail to understand the basis for it. Slovenia is a country geographically, politically and culturally a part of Central Europe. There is an ongoing (and longlasting) dispute about whether or not it lies partly in the Balkans, but given the fact the Balkans has no exact geographical boundaries, it is only alternatively (even the main articles on Central and South Eastern Europe claim so) placed in South Eastern Europe (and under no conditions in Eastern Europe), with a majority of scholars giving it a benefit of doubt and placing the country exclusively in Central Europe both because of the Alps as well as its shared history with the rest of Central Europe via the Habsburg Empire. I would love to hear the explanation from the editor himself (and yes, I did read the previous discussion on this topic - I believe Oksfjord made a pretty good point there explaining it). Should there be no further explanation from the editor, I plan to revert to the previous version regarding the placement of Slovenia in Europe (i.e. to Central Europe exclusively). [[Special:Contributions/93.103.162.81|93.103.162.81]] ([[User talk:93.103.162.81|talk]]) 10:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Overall, this is an excellent article on a nation with a thriving present and a long and fascinating past. - - [[User:Prairieplant|Prairieplant]] ([[User talk:Prairieplant|talk]]) 18:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
:Please don't ignore the previous discussion on this in the archives "''Slovenia and the Balkans''", and establish consensus before any change. Thank You.([[User:KIENGIR|KIENGIR]] ([[User talk:KIENGIR|talk]]) 01:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC))
::Certainly, I intend to wait a couple of days first (perhaps a week or so) as it is impossible to establish a concensus with someone who does not respond. I didn't ignore that discussion, it provides a good insight into the issue, but given the fact that prior to this recent change Slovenia was placed in Central Europe and no party in that discussion altered that, I would assume that placement was eventually wholly acceptable to everybody involved. Cheers! [[Special:Contributions/93.103.162.81|93.103.162.81]] ([[User talk:93.103.162.81|talk]]) 14:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
:::You don't need to, I restored it, it was my mistake, your are right. Cheers!([[User:KIENGIR|KIENGIR]] ([[User talk:KIENGIR|talk]]) 07:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC))
::::Alright, great! No worries mate, glad this was sorted out. :) [[Special:Contributions/93.103.162.81|93.103.162.81]] ([[User talk:93.103.162.81|talk]]) 21:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I am adding this text as a wake-me-up call. [[User:Øksfjord|Øksfjord]] ([[User talk:Øksfjord|talk]]) 19:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

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Italian War Crimes during Italian Fascist Occupation of Slovenia 1941-1943 and the change of British policy towards their persecution due to the possibility of Italian communists winning the 1946 general election

File:Britain and the hand-over of the Italian War Criminals - relevant quotes.png
The screenshots - except the relevant quotes - are intentionally blurred to avoid copyright infringement claims.

Foreign Office (i.e. British civil authority, but not the military) policy was indeed initially, as you say, in favor of 'hand-over' of the Italian war criminals, but the British and American military authorities in Italy were against it (p.520)[1], but the Foreign Office changed its policy (ibid., p.523), too, when in 1946 the possibility was that Italian communists would win the Italian general election, which would open Italy to Soviet influence, so they decided to drop the case and let Italy do the job (ibid., p.526) resulting in the (highly indicative) fate of Graziani and Roatta (ibid., p.525). The British concern to secure the electoral victory of the Christian Democrats "prompted Britain to drop all of its war crimes claims against Italy" (ibid., p.527). See the screenshots from the scholarly article via JStor.org

References

  1. ^ Effie Pedaliu (2004) Britain and the 'Hand-over' of Italian War Criminals to Yugoslavia, 1945-48. Journal of Contemporary History. Vol. 39, No. 4, Special Issue: Collective Memory, pp. 503-529 (JStor.org full article)

–– — Preceding unsigned comment added by DancingPhilosopher (talkcontribs) 11:18 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Slovenia in "Central, Eastern & Southeast Europe"

Regarding the unexplained anonymous edit made on Thursday - I fail to understand the basis for it. Slovenia is a country geographically, politically and culturally a part of Central Europe. There is an ongoing (and longlasting) dispute about whether or not it lies partly in the Balkans, but given the fact the Balkans has no exact geographical boundaries, it is only alternatively (even the main articles on Central and South Eastern Europe claim so) placed in South Eastern Europe (and under no conditions in Eastern Europe), with a majority of scholars giving it a benefit of doubt and placing the country exclusively in Central Europe both because of the Alps as well as its shared history with the rest of Central Europe via the Habsburg Empire. I would love to hear the explanation from the editor himself (and yes, I did read the previous discussion on this topic - I believe Oksfjord made a pretty good point there explaining it). Should there be no further explanation from the editor, I plan to revert to the previous version regarding the placement of Slovenia in Europe (i.e. to Central Europe exclusively). 93.103.162.81 (talk) 10:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't ignore the previous discussion on this in the archives "Slovenia and the Balkans", and establish consensus before any change. Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 01:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
Certainly, I intend to wait a couple of days first (perhaps a week or so) as it is impossible to establish a concensus with someone who does not respond. I didn't ignore that discussion, it provides a good insight into the issue, but given the fact that prior to this recent change Slovenia was placed in Central Europe and no party in that discussion altered that, I would assume that placement was eventually wholly acceptable to everybody involved. Cheers! 93.103.162.81 (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to, I restored it, it was my mistake, your are right. Cheers!(KIENGIR (talk) 07:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
Alright, great! No worries mate, glad this was sorted out. :) 93.103.162.81 (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am adding this text as a wake-me-up call. Øksfjord (talk) 19:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]