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== Astor family == |
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On 31st December 2015, I removed an odd claim that Mrs. Lopes was "a member of the [[Astor family]]". [[User:Monkelese|Monkelese]] reverted my removal. It is clear that Mrs. Lopes was born into the ''Parker Bowles'' family and married into the ''Lopes'' family. It is also clear that Mr. Lopes is ''descended from'' the Astor family. However, a person is not a ''member'' of every family from whom one is ''descended'', let alone a member of every family from whom their spouse is descended. Mr. Lopes is ''descended from'' a great number of well-known and influential families, and we could easily increase the length of this article by several orders of magnitude by listing them. He is not, however, a ''member'' of any of these families, apart from his own (by which I mean the ''Lopes'' family) and neither is his wife. I have again removed the odd claim, and I hope my reasons are clear. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] ([[User talk:Oliver Pereira|talk]]) 05:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC) |
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== Parents == |
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One of her parents is given as “Camilla Shand”. At the time of Laura’s birth, her mother’s name was Camilla Parker Bowles. Is there a reason not to use this name? [[User:JDAWiseman|JDAWiseman]] ([[User talk:JDAWiseman|talk]]) 23:56, 1 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:When presenting genealogical information, it is customary to use birth names or the highest ''[[suo jure]]'' title. [[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 00:27, 2 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::Thank you. I wasn’t aware of the custom. And given which, birth name seems most sensible. [[User:JDAWiseman|JDAWiseman]] ([[User talk:JDAWiseman|talk]]) 11:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Ancestry == |
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This section was removed from the article for lack of references, but it's quite interesting, nonetheless. —[[User:capmo|capmo]] ([[User talk:capmo|talk]]) 17:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC) |
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== Birthday == |
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Mrs. Lopes' birthday is incorrect. Her birthday is April 19, 1978. I have a copy of her birth certificate from the General Register Office, which I obtained in doing research on the Royal Family. If you would like me to share this, I would be happy to do so, just let me know how. [[User:JasonKurth|JasonKurth]] ([[User talk:JasonKurth|talk]]) 17:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC) |
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== Step father? == |
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In what sense in Charles her step father? Has he adopted her? Charles just happens to be the man her mother married. The claim he’s her step father seems spurious at best. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7C:362A:E200:ED80:CED6:B017:27B5|2A02:C7C:362A:E200:ED80:CED6:B017:27B5]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7C:362A:E200:ED80:CED6:B017:27B5|talk]]) 18:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC) |
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But when you marry a person who already has children, those children become your step children. No adoption necessary <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Skysong263|Skysong263]] ([[User talk:Skysong263#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Skysong263|contribs]]) 03:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Why are some people saying that she is William & Harry's half sister as opposed to step sister? Is there suspicion that Charles is her biological father, despite her being born when Camilla was still in her first marriage? I'm confused. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Skysong263|Skysong263]] ([[User talk:Skysong263#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Skysong263|contribs]]) 03:49, 2 May 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I don't know if there is any actual evidence of it, but there is, for example, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0MOOd6CWvU this recent YouTubeVideo] with over 1.2 million views which appears to be suggesting exactly that. While it might feel plausible, without confirmed paternity test results or official confirmation I wouldn't assume that it's anything more than an attempt to get a lot of views. More charitably, if the channel's operators are not native English speakers it might also be an error in translation - someone misunderstanding that step-sister and half-sister do not mean the same thing. [[User:RichardJFoster|RichardJFoster]] ([[User talk:RichardJFoster|talk]]) 20:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Astor family
On 31st December 2015, I removed an odd claim that Mrs. Lopes was "a member of the Astor family". Monkelese reverted my removal. It is clear that Mrs. Lopes was born into the Parker Bowles family and married into the Lopes family. It is also clear that Mr. Lopes is descended from the Astor family. However, a person is not a member of every family from whom one is descended, let alone a member of every family from whom their spouse is descended. Mr. Lopes is descended from a great number of well-known and influential families, and we could easily increase the length of this article by several orders of magnitude by listing them. He is not, however, a member of any of these families, apart from his own (by which I mean the Lopes family) and neither is his wife. I have again removed the odd claim, and I hope my reasons are clear. -- Oliver P. (talk) 05:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Parents
One of her parents is given as “Camilla Shand”. At the time of Laura’s birth, her mother’s name was Camilla Parker Bowles. Is there a reason not to use this name? JDAWiseman (talk) 23:56, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- When presenting genealogical information, it is customary to use birth names or the highest suo jure title. Surtsicna (talk) 00:27, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. I wasn’t aware of the custom. And given which, birth name seems most sensible. JDAWiseman (talk) 11:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
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This section was removed from the article for lack of references, but it's quite interesting, nonetheless. —capmo (talk) 17:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Birthday
Mrs. Lopes' birthday is incorrect. Her birthday is April 19, 1978. I have a copy of her birth certificate from the General Register Office, which I obtained in doing research on the Royal Family. If you would like me to share this, I would be happy to do so, just let me know how. JasonKurth (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Step father?
In what sense in Charles her step father? Has he adopted her? Charles just happens to be the man her mother married. The claim he’s her step father seems spurious at best. 2A02:C7C:362A:E200:ED80:CED6:B017:27B5 (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
But when you marry a person who already has children, those children become your step children. No adoption necessary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Why are some people saying that she is William & Harry's half sister as opposed to step sister? Is there suspicion that Charles is her biological father, despite her being born when Camilla was still in her first marriage? I'm confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 03:49, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know if there is any actual evidence of it, but there is, for example, this recent YouTubeVideo with over 1.2 million views which appears to be suggesting exactly that. While it might feel plausible, without confirmed paternity test results or official confirmation I wouldn't assume that it's anything more than an attempt to get a lot of views. More charitably, if the channel's operators are not native English speakers it might also be an error in translation - someone misunderstanding that step-sister and half-sister do not mean the same thing. RichardJFoster (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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