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====Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS====
====Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS====
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<includeonly>[[File:White check mark in dark green rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Keep]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718281041|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718281041"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''keep'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Ca|Ca]] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</sup></i> 12:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
*<span id="Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS">{{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS }}</span> → [[:Wikipedia:Citing sources#WP:BOOKLINKS]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Wikipedia talk:BOOKLINKS|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS">{{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS }}</span> → [[:Wikipedia:Citing sources#WP:BOOKLINKS]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Wikipedia talk:BOOKLINKS|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


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:::* Are you saying that having fifteen shortcuts makes it hard for someone to remember what shortcuts mean when someone else cites them? Because that's not an issue, either. If you run across an unfamiliar shortcut, just... click it and follow it. For example, say someone used the shortcut [[WP:RFFL]] and I had no idea what it meant. All I would need to do is click it, and see that it takes me to [[Wikipedia:Redirects in languages other than English]], and then I'll go, "Oh, okay, it's WP:RLANG."
:::* Are you saying that having fifteen shortcuts makes it hard for someone to remember what shortcuts mean when someone else cites them? Because that's not an issue, either. If you run across an unfamiliar shortcut, just... click it and follow it. For example, say someone used the shortcut [[WP:RFFL]] and I had no idea what it meant. All I would need to do is click it, and see that it takes me to [[Wikipedia:Redirects in languages other than English]], and then I'll go, "Oh, okay, it's WP:RLANG."
:::{{pb}}As for the idea that the title is vague... yeah, that's nothing new, either, many shortcuts are vague and/or imply something unsupported by the actual article they link to. We even have an entire essay on the books, [[WP:UPPERCASE]], reminding editors to ''actually read'' the articles linked to by shortcuts, in order to check and make sure that they actually support the points they're cited for. [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
:::{{pb}}As for the idea that the title is vague... yeah, that's nothing new, either, many shortcuts are vague and/or imply something unsupported by the actual article they link to. We even have an entire essay on the books, [[WP:UPPERCASE]], reminding editors to ''actually read'' the articles linked to by shortcuts, in order to check and make sure that they actually support the points they're cited for. [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Incoming link counts never include links in edit summaries, and edit summaries cannot be edited. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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====Tom (programming language)====
====Tom (programming language)====
<noinclude><span id="Tom (programming language)"></span><span id="TOM (programming language)"></span><span id="TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)"></span><span id="TOM computer language"></span><span id="TOM programming language"></span></noinclude>
*<span id="Tom (programming language)">{{no redirect|1 = Tom (programming language) }}</span> → [[:Tom#Acronyms]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Tom (programming language)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Tom (programming language)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Tom (programming language)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tom_(programming_language)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Tom (programming language)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Tom (programming language)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Tom (programming language)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Tom (programming language)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Tom (programming language)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Tom (programming language)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 17%23Tom (programming language)]]


====Macra (rivers)====
*<span id="TOM (programming language)">{{no redirect|1 = TOM (programming language) }}</span> → [[:Tom#Acronyms]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:TOM (programming language)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/TOM (programming language)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/TOM (programming language)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=TOM_(programming_language)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:TOM (programming language)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM (programming language)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:TOM (programming language)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM (programming language)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:TOM (programming language)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM (programming language)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
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<includeonly>[[File:White i in purple rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Split or bespoke decisions]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1719080940|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1719080940"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''


:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''no consensus''' for [[Macra (rivers)]], '''delete''' [[Macra (rivers) (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->
*<span id="TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)">{{no redirect|1 = TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) }}</span> → [[:Tom#Acronyms]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=TOM_(programming_language)_(disambiguation)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="TOM computer language">{{no redirect|1 = TOM computer language }}</span> → [[:Tom#Acronyms]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:TOM computer language|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/TOM computer language|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/TOM computer language|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-07&end=2024-06-05&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=TOM_computer_language|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:TOM computer language|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM computer language]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:TOM computer language|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM computer language]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:TOM computer language|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM computer language]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="TOM programming language">{{no redirect|1 = TOM programming language }}</span> → [[:Tom#Acronyms]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:TOM programming language|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/TOM programming language|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/TOM programming language|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-07&end=2024-06-05&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=TOM_programming_language|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:TOM programming language|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM programming language]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:TOM programming language|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM programming language]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:TOM programming language|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#TOM programming language]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>

[[Tom]] and [[List of programming languages]] only lists one programming language called Tom or TOM – [[Tom (pattern matching language)]] – so I suggest '''retarget''', '''delete''', '''delete'''. [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 19:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

* '''Retarget 1 and 2. <s>Delete 2</s> Delete 3''': per {{noping|WhatamIdoing}}. ''[[User:CosXZ|Cos]]'' ''<sup>([[User talk:CosXZ|X]] + [[Special:Contributions/CosXZ|Z]])</sup>'' 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* <strike>'''Support''' per nom. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 21:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</strike>
* '''Retarget 1 and 2'''. TOM was originally an acronym meaning '''T'''o '''O'''ne '''M'''atching, so "TOM" was the original capitalization and should not be deleted.[https://tom.loria.fr/about.html] [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 22:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* '''1) Retarget, 2) Retarget, 3) Delete''' per {{noping|WhatamIdoing}}. Good catch. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 23:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' [[TOM (programming language)]] should not be deleted. It contains the early history of the proposed target. I have added &#123;&#123;Copied}} to both talk pages to indicate that. I have also added the ur-redirects [[TOM computer language]] and [[TOM programming language]] to this nomination. Their fate should be considered, too—[[User:Ketiltrout|Ketil Trout]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ketiltrout|&lt;&gt;&lt;!]]</sup>) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
** My !vote would be to '''delete''' [[TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)]] and '''retarget''' the other four to the proposed target.—[[User:Ketiltrout|Ketil Trout]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ketiltrout|&lt;&gt;&lt;!]]</sup>) 17:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete {{No redirect|TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)}}'''. Also, '''move {{No redirect|Tom (pattern matching language)}} to {{No redirect|Tom (programming language)}}, and target the other redirects there'''. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete {{No redirect|TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)}} and {{No redirect|TOM computer language}}, Move {{No redirect|Tom (pattern matching language)}} to {{No redirect|Tom (programming language)}}, Redirect the rest to {{No redirect|Tom (programming language)}} and create {{No redirect|TOM (computer language)}}.''' I know that this is somewhat of a clusterfuck of actions, but
:* Delete redirects due to {{No redirect|TOM (programming language) (disambiguation)}} having consensus against redirects with parenthetical disambiguation and (disambiguation) and {{No redirect|TOM computer language}} per [[WP:CONSISTENT]] with redirs such as [[C (computer language)]] and per [[WP:PANDORA]].
:* Move per Steel1943.
:* Redirect the rest per above.
:* Create {{No redirect|TOM (computer language)}} per my reasoning for deleting {{No redirect|TOM computer language}}.
:[[User:mwwv|<span style="color:#f80;font-family:'Cascadia Code',monospace">'''mwwv'''</span>]] [[User Talk:mwwv|<span style="color:#f80"><sup>converse</sup></span>]]∫[[Special:Contribs/Mwwv|<span style="color:#f80"><sub>edits</sub></span>]] 16:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
::[[WP:PANDORA]] should not be used; see [[user:Lunamann/Please, put Pandora back in the box]]{{pb}}That said, '''support''' these actions; save for the citing of WP:PANDORA, all of this seems correct to me. ([[WP:CONSISTENT]] can support the deletion of [[TOM computer language]] on its own.) [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 20:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

====Macra (rivers)====
*<span id="Macra (rivers)">{{no redirect|1 = Macra (rivers) }}</span> → [[:Macra (disambiguation)]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Macra (rivers)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Macra (rivers)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Macra (rivers)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-21&end=2024-05-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Macra_(rivers)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Macra (rivers)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Macra (rivers)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Macra (rivers)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Macra (rivers)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Macra (rivers)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Macra (rivers)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Macra (rivers)">{{no redirect|1 = Macra (rivers) }}</span> → [[:Macra (disambiguation)]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Macra (rivers)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Macra (rivers)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Macra (rivers)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-21&end=2024-05-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Macra_(rivers)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Macra (rivers)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Macra (rivers)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Macra (rivers)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Macra (rivers)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Macra (rivers)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Macra (rivers)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


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* '''1) Keep''', '''2) Delete''' per [[WP:R#HARMFUL]] b/c the first link contains non-trivial edit history. [[Special:Diff/232665485]] contains the (unsourced) claim that Macra is the Latin name of these rivers, which seems likely to be correct and is not reflected in any of the sources before us. Kudos to {{u|Rich Farmbrough}} for finding what sources we have. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* '''1) Keep''', '''2) Delete''' per [[WP:R#HARMFUL]] b/c the first link contains non-trivial edit history. [[Special:Diff/232665485]] contains the (unsourced) claim that Macra is the Latin name of these rivers, which seems likely to be correct and is not reflected in any of the sources before us. Kudos to {{u|Rich Farmbrough}} for finding what sources we have. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete both''' as we do not have any articles about a collective group of rivers named "Macra". [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 22:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete both''' as we do not have any articles about a collective group of rivers named "Macra". [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 22:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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====Karli Smith====
====Karli Smith====
<noinclude><span id="Karli Smith"></span><span id="Samaria Blackwell"></span><span id="John Weisert"></span><span id="Amarjit Sekhon"></span><span id="Jasvinder Kaur"></span><span id="Amarjeet Johal"></span></noinclude>
*<span id="Karli Smith">{{no redirect|1 = Karli Smith }}</span> → [[:Indianapolis FedEx shooting]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Karli Smith|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Karli Smith|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Karli Smith|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Karli_Smith|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Karli Smith|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Karli Smith]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Karli Smith|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Karli Smith]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Karli Smith|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Karli Smith]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25%23Karli Smith]]
*<span id="Samaria Blackwell">{{no redirect|1 = Samaria Blackwell }}</span> → [[:Indianapolis FedEx shooting]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Samaria Blackwell|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Samaria Blackwell|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Samaria Blackwell|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Samaria_Blackwell|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Samaria Blackwell|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Samaria Blackwell]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Samaria Blackwell|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Samaria Blackwell]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Samaria Blackwell|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Samaria Blackwell]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="John Weisert">{{no redirect|1 = John Weisert }}</span> → [[:Indianapolis FedEx shooting]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:John Weisert|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/John Weisert|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/John Weisert|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=John_Weisert|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:John Weisert|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#John Weisert]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:John Weisert|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#John Weisert]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:John Weisert|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#John Weisert]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="Amarjit Sekhon">{{no redirect|1 = Amarjit Sekhon }}</span> → [[:Indianapolis FedEx shooting]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Amarjit Sekhon|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Amarjit Sekhon|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Amarjit Sekhon|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Amarjit_Sekhon|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Amarjit Sekhon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Amarjit Sekhon]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Amarjit Sekhon|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Amarjit Sekhon]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Amarjit Sekhon|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Amarjit Sekhon]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="Jasvinder Kaur">{{no redirect|1 = Jasvinder Kaur }}</span> → [[:Indianapolis FedEx shooting]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Jasvinder Kaur|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Jasvinder Kaur|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Jasvinder Kaur|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jasvinder_Kaur|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Jasvinder Kaur|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Jasvinder Kaur]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Jasvinder Kaur|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Jasvinder Kaur]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Jasvinder Kaur|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Jasvinder Kaur]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="Amarjeet Johal">{{no redirect|1 = Amarjeet Johal }}</span> → [[:Indianapolis FedEx shooting]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Amarjeet Johal|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Amarjeet Johal|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Amarjeet Johal|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Amarjeet_Johal|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Amarjeet Johal|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Amarjeet Johal]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Amarjeet Johal|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Amarjeet Johal]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Amarjeet Johal|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Amarjeet Johal]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


====Stubby (Pokémon)====
Victims of a shooting generally do not have articles unless they become notable in their own right. It isn't appropriate to associate a search term of their names with an event which took their life. The individuals would already appear in search results on the event article without the need of an explicit redirect. I am unsure if there is specific policy around this, as [[WP:VICTIM]] merely mentions outright articles specifically. '''[[User:Bungle|Bungle]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Bungle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bungle|contribs]])</sup> 09:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">
<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718647919|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718647919"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''


:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
:well other victims of shootings typically get redirected to the shooting article. [[Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting|Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting]] for example. Victims such as [[Allison Wyatt]], [[Grace McDonnell]] etc have redirects. [[User:Elizzaflanagan221|Elizzaflanagan221]] ([[User talk:Elizzaflanagan221|talk]]) 12:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
::Your argument that [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] is poor and is not in itself a reason why the aforementioned should be kept as redirects. We have to ask for what benefit and purpose does an article or redirect serve in its existence? I don't see any value in these redirects and as the victims are all deceased, cannot decide themselves if they'd want their identities associated with such an atrocity. I don't see any policy specific to this circumstance, which is probably why there is no agreed precedent. '''[[User:Bungle|Bungle]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Bungle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bungle|contribs]])</sup> 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
:::well like i said, most articles on mass tragedy events have redirects with the victims names. If you think its morally wrong or u dont agree with it, you should make this a bigger discussion and not just solely on the FedEx shooting. [[User:Elizzaflanagan221|Elizzaflanagan221]] ([[User talk:Elizzaflanagan221|talk]]) 17:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
::::I hear what you're saying, but a poor existing precedent (generally speaking) isn't necessary justification to pursue further of a similar nature. That is the reason I brought them to rfd, as it's a community decision, not solely my own view. As for the bigger discussion, maybe it is warranted, but it's quite a minefield and this only concerns these redirects yet to be reviewed. If the consensus is to keep, then it's a moot point anyway, though in such a scenario i'd hope to see a better rationale than "others exist too". '''[[User:Bungle|Bungle]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Bungle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bungle|contribs]])</sup> 21:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::Existing precedent is the primary source of policies and guidelines, assuming that the policies [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines]] and [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] are to be believed. If we have no written rule against it, and it is frequently done, then it probably is the community's normal practice to do this. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 22:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
* '''Delete'''. I'm surprised there isn't a clear policy on this. We should be guided by [[WP:RPURPOSE]]. If the victim's name is widely known enough that "Killing of EXAMPLE" is a plausible article title and existing redirect, then I accept a redirect from "EXAMPLE" as well, because it is a plausible way that a reader might search for the relevant article, eg. [[Philando Castile]], [[Jeff Doucet]]. Otherwise, I think we should avoid these redirects. I hold this position even, and maybe even especially, if the person is approaching notability for an article in their own right for reasons unrelated to their death. If there are other relevant articles on their life apart from their death, we don't want to usurp those by redirecting rather than showing search results. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

====Stubby (Pokémon)====
*<span id="Stubby (Pokémon)">{{no redirect|1 = Stubby (Pokémon) }}</span> → [[:List of generation IV Pokémon#Bidoof]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Stubby (Pokémon)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Stubby (Pokémon)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Stubby (Pokémon)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Stubby_(Pok%C3%A9mon)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokémon)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokémon)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokémon)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokémon)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokémon)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokémon)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Stubby (Pokémon)">{{no redirect|1 = Stubby (Pokémon) }}</span> → [[:List of generation IV Pokémon#Bidoof]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Stubby (Pokémon)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Stubby (Pokémon)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Stubby (Pokémon)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Stubby_(Pok%C3%A9mon)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokémon)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokémon)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokémon)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokémon)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokémon)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokémon)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Stubby (Pokemon)">{{no redirect|1 = Stubby (Pokemon) }}</span> → [[List of generation IV Pokémon#Bidoof]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Stubby (Pokemon)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Stubby (Pokemon)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Stubby (Pokemon)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Stubby_(Pokemon)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokemon)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokemon)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokemon)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokemon)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokemon)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokemon)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Stubby (Pokemon)">{{no redirect|1 = Stubby (Pokemon) }}</span> → [[List of generation IV Pokémon#Bidoof]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Stubby (Pokemon)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Stubby (Pokemon)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Stubby (Pokemon)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Stubby_(Pokemon)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokemon)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokemon)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokemon)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokemon)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Stubby (Pokemon)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Stubby (Pokemon)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
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::Checked Bulbapedia. According to them, while there are no in-game trades featuring a Bidoof named Stubby in any generation, in the Sinnoh games, you can enter a Super Contest and end up facing down a Pokemon with the nickname "Stubby."{{pb}}The issue is that Stubby is a [[Barboach]], not a Bidoof. This is true in both [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Contest_opponents_(Generation_IV) Gen 4] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Contest_opponents_(Generation_VIII) Gen 8.] [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 21:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
::Checked Bulbapedia. According to them, while there are no in-game trades featuring a Bidoof named Stubby in any generation, in the Sinnoh games, you can enter a Super Contest and end up facing down a Pokemon with the nickname "Stubby."{{pb}}The issue is that Stubby is a [[Barboach]], not a Bidoof. This is true in both [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Contest_opponents_(Generation_IV) Gen 4] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Contest_opponents_(Generation_VIII) Gen 8.] [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 21:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
:'''Delete''' - Doing some edit history sleuthing it looks like the original redirect came from pokemon fans reading a (blurry pre-release leaked?) photo of bidoof, and seeing the word "stubby". See [[Talk:Bidoof#Bidoof and Stubby]]. The [[Bidoof]] article was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bidoof&diff=prev&oldid=109941034 briefly moved over] to [[Stubby]], then moved back when the name "Bidoof" was officially confirmed. Seeing as the redirect was based on [[WP:OR]], it doesn't seem to be getting any use, and the fact there's another pokemon related to the name "stubby" (as Lunamann pointed out above), it should be deleted. [[User:Bugghost|<span style="border-radius:3px;padding:2px 3px;background:#ff7048;color:#fff;">BugGhost</span>]][[User talk:Bugghost|🪲👻]] 09:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
:''The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).''</noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd bottom --></div>


====Magburn====
====Magburn====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 17%23Magburn]]
*<span id="Magburn">{{no redirect|1 = Magburn }}</span> → [[:List of generation IV Pokémon#Magmortar]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Magburn|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Magburn|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Magburn|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Magburn|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Magburn|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Magburn]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Magburn|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Magburn]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Magburn|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Magburn]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


====Arzeus====
fan speculation for its english name, on the same vein as [[laxbe]] which i nominated a little under (or was it over?) a month ago. unlike laxbe, i found a few results, but they pretty solidly established this as a fan name that was dropped in favor of its admittedly inferior official name '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 16:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">
<includeonly>[[File:White check mark in dark green rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Keep]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718281113|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718281113"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''


:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''keep'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Ca|Ca]] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</sup></i> 12:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' if a reference to this as a fan-name is added. If it has a few results it seems to be a decently plausible search target, however niche. [[User:Pokelego999|Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999]] ([[User talk:Pokelego999|talk]]) 18:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>

====Arzeus====
*<span id="Arzeus">{{no redirect|1 = Arzeus }}</span> → [[:List of generation IV Pokémon#Arceus]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Arzeus|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Arzeus|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Arzeus|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Arzeus|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Arzeus|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Arzeus]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Arzeus|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Arzeus]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Arzeus|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Arzeus]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Arzeus">{{no redirect|1 = Arzeus }}</span> → [[:List of generation IV Pokémon#Arceus]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Arzeus|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Arzeus|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Arzeus|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Arzeus|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Arzeus|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Arzeus]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Arzeus|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Arzeus]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Arzeus|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Arzeus]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


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*:either way, i looked into the time each page was created, moved, or whatever else, and the first name i could see created here was "aruseus", created on september 30, 2006, which was moved to "arseus" on october 2, 2006 (over the romaji being trademarked), and then to "arceus" in march 14, 2007 (over the name finally being confirmed). arzeus was created as a redirect to arseus in december 1, 2006, the day after aruseus was created. i don't know what this is supposed to imply other than "arzeus" being a phonetic spelling of a possible mispronunciation of a then only possible romaji spelling of its japanese name (which would require having never heard "セ" being used) that may have been used for a while before people were 100% sure that that was at least not one of the 3-ish possible ways to pronounce it in english, so i guess change my vote to a very confused '''weak keep''' per "i think it could have been used before, maybe". i'm not sure if this counts as [[wp:cheap]], to be honest '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 00:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*:either way, i looked into the time each page was created, moved, or whatever else, and the first name i could see created here was "aruseus", created on september 30, 2006, which was moved to "arseus" on october 2, 2006 (over the romaji being trademarked), and then to "arceus" in march 14, 2007 (over the name finally being confirmed). arzeus was created as a redirect to arseus in december 1, 2006, the day after aruseus was created. i don't know what this is supposed to imply other than "arzeus" being a phonetic spelling of a possible mispronunciation of a then only possible romaji spelling of its japanese name (which would require having never heard "セ" being used) that may have been used for a while before people were 100% sure that that was at least not one of the 3-ish possible ways to pronounce it in english, so i guess change my vote to a very confused '''weak keep''' per "i think it could have been used before, maybe". i'm not sure if this counts as [[wp:cheap]], to be honest '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 00:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as per WhatamIdoing; this satisfies the burden of plausibility posed by [[WP:RTYPO]] (a single-character 'typo' redirect should be kept), and also satisfies the burden of age posed by [[WP:RFD#KEEP]]. [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 03:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as per WhatamIdoing; this satisfies the burden of plausibility posed by [[WP:RTYPO]] (a single-character 'typo' redirect should be kept), and also satisfies the burden of age posed by [[WP:RFD#KEEP]]. [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 03:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Plausible typo, old, per above. Reminder that redirects are [[WP:CHEAP]]. [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] ([[User talk:Fieari|talk]]) 02:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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====Zoznam.sk====
====Zoznam.sk====
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">
<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718647877|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718647877"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
*<span id="Zoznam.sk">{{no redirect|1 = Zoznam.sk }}</span> → [[:Seznam.cz]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Zoznam.sk|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Zoznam.sk|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Zoznam.sk|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Zoznam.sk|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Zoznam.sk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Zoznam.sk]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Zoznam.sk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Zoznam.sk]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Zoznam.sk|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Zoznam.sk]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Zoznam.sk">{{no redirect|1 = Zoznam.sk }}</span> → [[:Seznam.cz]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Zoznam.sk|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Zoznam.sk|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Zoznam.sk|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Zoznam.sk|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Zoznam.sk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Zoznam.sk]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Zoznam.sk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Zoznam.sk]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Zoznam.sk|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Zoznam.sk]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


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* To be fair, I just notified of this discussion at the target talk page.<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 16:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* To be fair, I just notified of this discussion at the target talk page.<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 16:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
*Seems to be a completely different website from what I can tell. '''Delete''' unless someone can provide proof of these websites being connected. <span style="background-color: black">[[User:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">Skarmory</span>]] [[User talk:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">(talk •</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">contribs)</span>]]</span> 23:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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====Croangunk====
====Croangunk====
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">
<includeonly>[[File:White check mark in dark green rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Keep]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718526170|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718526170"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''keep'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. Consensus that this is a plausible mishearing. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Ca|Ca]] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</sup></i> 08:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
*<span id="Croangunk">{{no redirect|1 = Croangunk }}</span> → [[:List of generation IV Pokémon#Croagunk]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Croangunk|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Croangunk|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Croangunk|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Croangunk|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Croangunk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Croangunk]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Croangunk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Croangunk]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Croangunk|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Croangunk]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Croangunk">{{no redirect|1 = Croangunk }}</span> → [[:List of generation IV Pokémon#Croagunk]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Croangunk|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Croangunk|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Croangunk|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-04-29&end=2024-05-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Croangunk|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Croangunk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Croangunk]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Croangunk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Croangunk]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Croangunk|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Croangunk]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


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*:::It may well be accent related. When I say it, it could at times possibly sound like it has an "n" in the middle. Redirects are [[WP:CHEAP]] after all and the bar for keeping is lower, although I don't have too much conviction in this view, hence the "weak". '''[[User:Bungle|Bungle]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Bungle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bungle|contribs]])</sup> 21:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
*:::It may well be accent related. When I say it, it could at times possibly sound like it has an "n" in the middle. Redirects are [[WP:CHEAP]] after all and the bar for keeping is lower, although I don't have too much conviction in this view, hence the "weak". '''[[User:Bungle|Bungle]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Bungle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bungle|contribs]])</sup> 21:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
*'''Keep''' - Plausible typo of a single character, and possibly a plausible mishearing/"mondegreen". My experience is that English phonetics does tend towards inserting medial n's at syllable boundaries which could lead to this mistake. Regardless, [[WP:CHEAP]] applies. [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] ([[User talk:Fieari|talk]]) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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====Bunkin Bonuts====
====Bunkin Bonuts====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718375905|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718375905"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 14:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
*<span id="Bunkin Bonuts">{{no redirect|1 = Bunkin Bonuts }}</span> → [[:Dunkin' Donuts]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Bunkin Bonuts|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Bunkin Bonuts|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Bunkin Bonuts|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Bunkin_Bonuts|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Bunkin Bonuts|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Bunkin Bonuts]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Bunkin Bonuts|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Bunkin Bonuts]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Bunkin Bonuts|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Bunkin Bonuts]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Bunkin Bonuts">{{no redirect|1 = Bunkin Bonuts }}</span> → [[:Dunkin' Donuts]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Bunkin Bonuts|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Bunkin Bonuts|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Bunkin Bonuts|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Bunkin_Bonuts|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Bunkin Bonuts|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Bunkin Bonuts]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Bunkin Bonuts|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Bunkin Bonuts]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Bunkin Bonuts|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Bunkin Bonuts]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


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*'''Delete''' as an implausible typo or misnomer. <span style="background-color: #808000; padding: 3px; border-radius: 10px;">[[User:Schützenpanzer|<span style="color: white;">Schützenpanzer</span>]] [[User talk:Schützenpanzer|<span style="color: white;">(Talk)</span>]]</span> 23:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as an implausible typo or misnomer. <span style="background-color: #808000; padding: 3px; border-radius: 10px;">[[User:Schützenpanzer|<span style="color: white;">Schützenpanzer</span>]] [[User talk:Schützenpanzer|<span style="color: white;">(Talk)</span>]]</span> 23:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''🅱️elete''' and 🅱️aftify this 🅱️edirect for being an irrelevant meme (as per CosXZ) [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 04:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''🅱️elete''' and 🅱️aftify this 🅱️edirect for being an irrelevant meme (as per CosXZ) [[User:Lunamann|𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱]] ([[User talk:Lunamann|talk]]) 04:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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====Untitled Guy Ritchie project/film====
====Untitled Guy Ritchie project/film====
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">
<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718213966|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718213966"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
*<span id="Untitled Guy Ritchie project">{{no redirect|1 = Untitled Guy Ritchie project }}</span> → [[:In the Grey]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Untitled Guy Ritchie project|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Untitled Guy Ritchie project|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Untitled Guy Ritchie project|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Untitled_Guy_Ritchie_project|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie project|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie project]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie project|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie project]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie project|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie project]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Untitled Guy Ritchie project">{{no redirect|1 = Untitled Guy Ritchie project }}</span> → [[:In the Grey]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Untitled Guy Ritchie project|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Untitled Guy Ritchie project|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Untitled Guy Ritchie project|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Untitled_Guy_Ritchie_project|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie project|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie project]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie project|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie project]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie project|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie project]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Untitled Guy Ritchie film">{{no redirect|1 = Untitled Guy Ritchie film }}</span> → [[:In the Grey]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Untitled Guy Ritchie film|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Untitled Guy Ritchie film|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Untitled Guy Ritchie film|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Untitled_Guy_Ritchie_film|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie film|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie film]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie film|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie film]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie film|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie film]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Untitled Guy Ritchie film">{{no redirect|1 = Untitled Guy Ritchie film }}</span> → [[:In the Grey]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Untitled Guy Ritchie film|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Untitled Guy Ritchie film|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Untitled Guy Ritchie film|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Untitled_Guy_Ritchie_film|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie film|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie film]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie film|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie film]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Untitled Guy Ritchie film|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Guy Ritchie film]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
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*'''Weak delete''' [[Untitled Guy Ritchie film]] (and definitely don't delete before the 7 days are up). Page views suggest we're into the final stragglers for this one, but it's not completely clear it's utility has quite ended - it would have been better to wait just a bit longer with this one. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak delete''' [[Untitled Guy Ritchie film]] (and definitely don't delete before the 7 days are up). Page views suggest we're into the final stragglers for this one, but it's not completely clear it's utility has quite ended - it would have been better to wait just a bit longer with this one. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per {{noping|Steel1943}}. "The redirect might cause confusion." [[WP:R#DELETE]]. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per {{noping|Steel1943}}. "The redirect might cause confusion." [[WP:R#DELETE]]. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:UFILM]], no longer untitled post 30 days. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 21:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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====Untitled Beetlejuice sequel====
====Untitled Beetlejuice sequel====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 12%23Untitled Beetlejuice sequel]]
*<span id="Untitled Beetlejuice sequel">{{no redirect|1 = Untitled Beetlejuice sequel }}</span> → [[:Beetlejuice Beetlejuice]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Untitled Beetlejuice sequel|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Untitled Beetlejuice sequel|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Untitled Beetlejuice sequel|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Untitled_Beetlejuice_sequel|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Untitled Beetlejuice sequel|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Beetlejuice sequel]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Untitled Beetlejuice sequel|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Beetlejuice sequel]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Untitled Beetlejuice sequel|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Untitled Beetlejuice sequel]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Delete per [[WP:UFILM]]. The target subject no longer untitled, and the article was moved to its current title in February 2024, 4 months ago, which is greater than [[WP:UFILM]]'s 30-day minimum. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 12:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Trailblazer101|Trailblazer101]] ([[User talk:Trailblazer101|talk]]) 13:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Once again the point of UFILM is not that we wait exactly 30 days, but that we wait until the redirects have ceased being useful (30 days being the bottom end of the typical range of time when that occurs). In this case it's still being used on more days that it isn't indicating that the redirect still holds value and the nomination is premature. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*:[https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-30&pages=Untitled_Beetlejuice_sequel <1 pageview average over the last 30 days] seems like its utility has been passed now. And 4 months = 4 * 30 days, which is well over the minimum time established. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 16:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*::See also my reply above regarding page views. 12 views in 30 days is closer to minimal than the 27 you are claiming above, but double figure views spread pretty evenly through the 30 days strongly indicate utility. That it's been longer than the minimum time means nothing other than it's been longer than the minimum time, as I explained in the comment you are replying to (did you read it?). There is no maximum time - if it's useful (which the evidence shows it still is) then it should be kept, regardless of how long it's been. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::Thank you for validating that my page view claim contains factual information. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. <b>[[User:GSK|GSK]]</b> <small>([[User_talk:GSK|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GSK|edits]])</small> 18:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' per {{noping|Thryduulf}}. I see no valid [[WP:R#DELETE|reason for deleting]] and "someone finds them useful" is good enough for [[WP:R#KEEP]]. Delete it once the film is released or another is in production, when the redirect might cause confusion with the next film. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*:<small>Regarding revisiting this when "{{Tq|...another is in production...}}": That means ''this redirect should exist for an estimated average of '''almost 40 years'''''!? I may no longer be able to care by then for multiple reasons. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' Implausible search term.[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 18:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
*:The evidence shows otherwise. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 23:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


====LGBTP====
====LGBTP====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718639884|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718639884"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. <span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 15:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
*<span id="LGBTP">{{no redirect|1 = LGBTP }}</span> → [[:LGBT]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:LGBTP|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/LGBTP|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/LGBTP|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=LGBTP|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:LGBTP|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#LGBTP]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:LGBTP|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#LGBTP]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:LGBTP|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#LGBTP]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="LGBTP">{{no redirect|1 = LGBTP }}</span> → [[:LGBT]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:LGBTP|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/LGBTP|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/LGBTP|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=LGBTP|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:LGBTP|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#LGBTP]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:LGBTP|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#LGBTP]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:LGBTP|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#LGBTP]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


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*'''Weak retarget''' to [[Anti-LGBT sentiment#Conflation with pedophilia]], about a very similar topic. The second paragraph in particular ''nearly'' touches on the "LGBTP" meme, but instead mentions the related term "pedosexual". I'm tempted to add a brief mention to it, but I don't have much familiarity with citation formatting. It is possible that not all readers searching for "LGBTP" are merely interested in the terminology, but rather want to know about the underlying topic (conflation of LGBT people with pedophilia). [[User:Dsuke1998AEOS|Dsuke1998AEOS]] ([[User talk:Dsuke1998AEOS|talk]]) 14:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak retarget''' to [[Anti-LGBT sentiment#Conflation with pedophilia]], about a very similar topic. The second paragraph in particular ''nearly'' touches on the "LGBTP" meme, but instead mentions the related term "pedosexual". I'm tempted to add a brief mention to it, but I don't have much familiarity with citation formatting. It is possible that not all readers searching for "LGBTP" are merely interested in the terminology, but rather want to know about the underlying topic (conflation of LGBT people with pedophilia). [[User:Dsuke1998AEOS|Dsuke1998AEOS]] ([[User talk:Dsuke1998AEOS|talk]]) 14:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and salt to prevent recreation. The false implication doesn't stem from any good-faith use, so we should not give it credence. [[User:Raladic|Raladic]] ([[User talk:Raladic|talk]]) 15:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and salt to prevent recreation. The false implication doesn't stem from any good-faith use, so we should not give it credence. [[User:Raladic|Raladic]] ([[User talk:Raladic|talk]]) 15:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Refer to this article from GLAAD [https://glaad.org/smsi/anti-lgbtq-online-hate-speech-disinformation-guide/ Guide to Anti-LGBTQ Online Hate and Disinformation] on the fact check that it is a fake term only used for hate speech. [[User:Raladic|Raladic]] ([[User talk:Raladic|talk]]) 14:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
*Comment: LGBTPN, and LGBTPN+ (plus LGBTQIAPN+) are/were used as a legit acronyms with P standing for pansexual. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:LEILA FERRAZ|LEILA FERRAZ]] ([[User talk:LEILA FERRAZ#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LEILA FERRAZ|contribs]]) 19:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' - I was able to find a few tumblr posts discussing LGBTPN in a non-pejorative fashion--although even in those contexts, it was asserted that this was an anti-queer/anti-trans maneuver to avoid adding the letter Q. I don't entirely buy that assertion, but it seems clear that by far the primary meaning of this acronym (and the only context it is mentioned in RS) is as the pedophilia conspiracy theory, and that uses in other contexts are rare and themselves potentially controversial. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


{{reflist-talk}}
{{reflist-talk}}
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====Geegle Earth====
====Geegle Earth====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#1718167368|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1718167368"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 04:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
*<span id="Geegle Earth">{{no redirect|1 = Geegle Earth }}</span> → [[:Google Earth]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Geegle Earth|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Geegle Earth|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Geegle Earth|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Geegle_Earth|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Geegle Earth|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Geegle Earth]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Geegle Earth|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Geegle Earth]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Geegle Earth|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Geegle Earth]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Geegle Earth">{{no redirect|1 = Geegle Earth }}</span> → [[:Google Earth]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Geegle Earth|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Geegle Earth|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Geegle Earth|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2024-05-06&end=2024-06-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Geegle_Earth|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''[{{fullurl:Geegle Earth|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Geegle Earth]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Geegle Earth|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Geegle Earth]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Geegle Earth|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}#Geegle Earth]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;


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* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 22:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as an implausible typo or misnomer. <span style="background-color: #808000; padding: 3px; border-radius: 10px;">[[User:Schützenpanzer|<span style="color: white;">Schützenpanzer</span>]] [[User talk:Schützenpanzer|<span style="color: white;">(Talk)</span>]]</span> 22:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as an implausible typo or misnomer. <span style="background-color: #808000; padding: 3px; border-radius: 10px;">[[User:Schützenpanzer|<span style="color: white;">Schützenpanzer</span>]] [[User talk:Schützenpanzer|<span style="color: white;">(Talk)</span>]]</span> 22:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 15:50, 25 June 2024

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 5, 2024.

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Ca talk to me! 12:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of two shortcuts for the same section. It is little used (41 incoming links), and the title is vague.

It could plausibly be used for the current targets:

It could plausibly also be used for future sections of:

Daask (talk) 21:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Way too much of a choice abstain. Moxy🍁 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What's wrong with just leaving this alone? WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excessive shortcuts make them less memorable, so there's some benefit to reducing the number in general. As I said, I find this particular one to have a particularly ambiguous name. Daask (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Shortcuts having (potentially) ambiguous names is not a problem in itself (just look at every single character one and most two character ones for starters) and only becomes a problem if editors are actually misusing it practice and a hatnote cannot resolve the problems. Secondly, having more shortcuts than needed is also not a problem - there is no requirement to advertise all of them and people can use whichever they personally prefer. So you've not actually given any reason why this is problematic. Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I find the idea that excessive shortcuts (are) less memorable... flawed.
  • Are you saying that having fifteen shortcuts makes it hard for someone to remember any of them while trying to cite them? Because that's not the case-- people tend to just grab their favorite and only remember that one (for example, when citing Wikipedia:Redirects in languages other than English I will typically always use the shortcut WP:RLANG.)
  • Are you saying that having fifteen shortcuts makes it hard for someone to remember what shortcuts mean when someone else cites them? Because that's not an issue, either. If you run across an unfamiliar shortcut, just... click it and follow it. For example, say someone used the shortcut WP:RFFL and I had no idea what it meant. All I would need to do is click it, and see that it takes me to Wikipedia:Redirects in languages other than English, and then I'll go, "Oh, okay, it's WP:RLANG."
As for the idea that the title is vague... yeah, that's nothing new, either, many shortcuts are vague and/or imply something unsupported by the actual article they link to. We even have an entire essay on the books, WP:UPPERCASE, reminding editors to actually read the articles linked to by shortcuts, in order to check and make sure that they actually support the points they're cited for. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Tom (programming language)

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 17#Tom (programming language)

Macra (rivers)

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The result of the discussion was no consensus for Macra (rivers), delete Macra (rivers) (disambiguation). -- Tavix (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, there's only one river known (in Roman times) as Macra, and that's Magra (and even that claim is unsourced). I've removed a claim at the translated page Maira (river) because it isn't present in the source of the translation [[1]]. And anyway Macra (river) is red, so delete both these redirects. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Karli Smith

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Stubby (Pokémon)

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 18:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

funny, but i found nothing suggesting that this was ever even speculated to be its name cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it just occurred to me that "stubby" is an actual word
which means i should look for any mention of a bidoof with that nickname, which is worse than looking for a pokémon with that name for its species cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checked Bulbapedia. According to them, while there are no in-game trades featuring a Bidoof named Stubby in any generation, in the Sinnoh games, you can enter a Super Contest and end up facing down a Pokemon with the nickname "Stubby."
The issue is that Stubby is a Barboach, not a Bidoof. This is true in both Gen 4 and Gen 8. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Doing some edit history sleuthing it looks like the original redirect came from pokemon fans reading a (blurry pre-release leaked?) photo of bidoof, and seeing the word "stubby". See Talk:Bidoof#Bidoof and Stubby. The Bidoof article was briefly moved over to Stubby, then moved back when the name "Bidoof" was officially confirmed. Seeing as the redirect was based on WP:OR, it doesn't seem to be getting any use, and the fact there's another pokemon related to the name "stubby" (as Lunamann pointed out above), it should be deleted. BugGhost🪲👻 09:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Magburn

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Arzeus

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Ca talk to me! 12:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

may admittedly be jumping the gun here. this doesn't seem similar to any possible spelling or pronunciation of its name cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep It's a single character "typo" (really, an alternative spelling). The page history indicates that the name was originally spelled Arseus. Also, Cogsan, RFD#KEEP says that Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. This redirect was created in 2006 (~18 years ago). It's always best to leave these elderly redirects alone unless there is a serious problem (e.g., the wording of the link itself violates BLP ["Bob is a poopy head"]) or if you want agreement to turn the redirect into an article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    i kind of don't really buy it being old or possibly linked somewhere else as a possible reason to keep it, since there seems to be no precedent to or acknowledgement of this particular spelling or pronunciation that doesn't involve jumping through a few hoops
    either way, i looked into the time each page was created, moved, or whatever else, and the first name i could see created here was "aruseus", created on september 30, 2006, which was moved to "arseus" on october 2, 2006 (over the romaji being trademarked), and then to "arceus" in march 14, 2007 (over the name finally being confirmed). arzeus was created as a redirect to arseus in december 1, 2006, the day after aruseus was created. i don't know what this is supposed to imply other than "arzeus" being a phonetic spelling of a possible mispronunciation of a then only possible romaji spelling of its japanese name (which would require having never heard "セ" being used) that may have been used for a while before people were 100% sure that that was at least not one of the 3-ish possible ways to pronounce it in english, so i guess change my vote to a very confused weak keep per "i think it could have been used before, maybe". i'm not sure if this counts as wp:cheap, to be honest cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per WhatamIdoing; this satisfies the burden of plausibility posed by WP:RTYPO (a single-character 'typo' redirect should be kept), and also satisfies the burden of age posed by WP:RFD#KEEP. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Plausible typo, old, per above. Reminder that redirects are WP:CHEAP. Fieari (talk) 02:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zoznam.sk

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 18:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect to Seznam.cz seems inappropriate given that these are two completely different websites. Zoznam.sk looks more like a tabloid than independent source, and I can't find any evidence that both sites are owned by the same agency/publisher. I would suggest to delete and leave as an empty page until someone did a research about the site with proper references. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Croangunk

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The result of the discussion was keep. Consensus that this is a plausible mishearing. (non-admin closure) Ca talk to me! 08:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

implausible misspelling? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - Plausible typo of a single character, and possibly a plausible mishearing/"mondegreen". My experience is that English phonetics does tend towards inserting medial n's at syllable boundaries which could lead to this mistake. Regardless, WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Bunkin Bonuts

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The result of the discussion was delete. Elli (talk | contribs) 14:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely typo. Created by same user as #Geegle Earth below. Mia Mahey (talk) 17:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Untitled Guy Ritchie project/film

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 17:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Target no longer untitled. After almost 2 months since the previous nomination, the page views for both redirects are incredibly minimal. Delete both per WP:UFILM. Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Untitled Beetlejuice sequel

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LGBTP

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 15:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See page history. It's clearly not the creator's intention but this redirect implies Wikipedia considers the title to be an alternative term for LGBT, which is extremely undesirable to say the least. J947edits 02:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as per lizthegrey only if the information Liz mentions is added to the article. If not, delete as per Maplestrip/Mable. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Fact check: The LGBTQ community is not adding "P" to their acronym". Reuters. 2 June 2020. Retrieved 5 June 2024.
  2. ^ Caldera, Camille (30 July 2020). "Fact check: LGBTQ community rejects false association with pedophiles". USA TODAY. Retrieved 5 June 2024.
  3. ^ Artavia, David (30 July 2020). "Trolls Push Fake Acronym 'LGBTP' to Associate Gays With Pedophilia". www.advocate.com. Retrieved 5 June 2024.
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Geegle Earth

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 04:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely typo. Created by same user as Geegle earth, which was deleted in 2020. Mia Mahey (talk) 02:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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