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== Folklore ==
== Glaring Omission? ==


No mention of the London Conference (1830) and the Treaty of London (1839) that created Belgium?
Your affirmation "A major non-official holiday is the Saint-Nicolas (Sint Nicholas in English) Day, a festivity for children in Belgium and also for students" is not correct. Saint Nicholas Day is also celebrated for students in all University towns in Belgium. Many drivers stuck in the traffic would confirm it was because of the Sint Nicholas students's procession in Brussels. Eva. 23March2010-{{unsigned IP|193.58.82.178|14:55, 23 March 2010}}
The treaty by which Belgium "''...became internationally recognised as the Kingdom of Belgium.''"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Conference_of_1830


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1839)
PS: ridiculous comments about Belgium once again among other stupid comments from French and other Wikipedians about other items and articles!


I have not done any article-archaeology to see it if was mentioned before, and was edited out for some reason, but let's say I find it ''very surprising'', but not eunexpected.
Is it the outcome of Wikipedia's idealistic project about which I wasted my time attending a MOOC course on the French platform FUN early this year ??
See at https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/WMFr/86001/session01/info.


== Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2024 ==
Now I am telling you frankly after +/- 6 months personal experience: I found out all those VAIN, FUTILE 'guerres d'édition'/ 'edit warring' (such nice words!!): the black side of Wikipedia!


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Matter of EGOS only !
There is 30,000 [[Romani people]] in Belgium. Add this information to the demographics section.


Source: https://minorityrights.org/country/belgium/ [[Special:Contributions/174.243.152.88|174.243.152.88]] ([[User talk:174.243.152.88|talk]]) 17:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
HOW DISAPPOINTING!
:Sounds like a good idea. Perhaps helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Belgium --[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 18:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
:: {{not done}} No specific edit requested. Requests should be "please add this sentence in this specific location", not "please add information about this". If any autoconfirmed user wants to add this on their own initiative, feel free. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 22:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


== City of Brussels ==
Read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring
I clicked on the capital of Belgium which was [[City of Brussels]] and not just [[Brussels]]. So what's the difference with that? They are not the same thing. [[City of Brussels]] seems to have too little content compared to [[Brussels]]. [[Special:Contributions/180.244.133.42|180.244.133.42]] ([[User talk:180.244.133.42|talk]]) 14:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Guerre_d%27%C3%A9dition
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars
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{{la|Bélgica}} currently redirects here. A hatnote needs to address this.

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{{redirect|Bélgica|other uses|Belgica (disambiguation)}}

-- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.244.237|65.92.244.237]] ([[User talk:65.92.244.237|talk]]) 11:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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{{la|Belgique}} currently redirects here. There exists [[Belgique (disambiguation)]]. The hatnote needs to be corrected to address this.

Please change:

{{tlx|Redirect|Belgique|the city in the United States|Belgique, Missouri}}
{{Redirect|Belgique|the city in the United States|Belgique, Missouri}}

To:

{{tlx|Redirect|Belgique|other uses|Belgique (disambiguation)}}
{{Redirect|Belgique|other uses|Belgique (disambiguation)}}

-- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.244.237|65.92.244.237]] ([[User talk:65.92.244.237|talk]]) 11:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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Actually most of them are completely VAIN (EN) / FUTILES (FR)! Just a matter of common sense
~~-{{unsigned|Allurus|06:22, 30 October 2016}}


{{la|Belgia}} currently redirects here. The current hatnote needs to be adjusted to address the existence of the passenger ship {{ship|SS|Belgia}}.
== Karel Van Noppen and not Karen Van Noppen ==


Please change:
Just a tiny typo in the name Karel Van Noppen (in the section "Independent Belgium").
I'd correct it myself but the page is protected.
The name links to a page with the correct name, Karel.-{{unsigned IP|2a02:1810:4f0b:500:31eb:a2eb:314f:6739|23:31, 1 June 2021}}


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== Is French a "lingua franca" in Brussels or just the dominant language? ==


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I reverted an edit and my revert was reverted without discussion [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgium&oldid=prev&diff=1159308143] so I am bringing it here. The justifying remark draws attention to a new article we have with the strange title (to me as a native English speaker) of "[[Francization of Brussels]]", and claims that it is more neutral and exact to call French a [[lingua franca]] in Brussels and not just the dominant language of Brussels. I don't get the point being made though, and I request explanation. To me, claiming that French is a lingua franca is tantamount to saying that it is a second language used by speakers of other languages. That is a quite complex claim, which needs a good source, and no new sourcing has been offered for this. As a Belgian I understand French is today simply the dominant language of Brussels. By this I mean it is the primary FIRST language of people living in Brussels. Other interesting facts may be added, but this is a big simple one which deserves to be put there up front. Am I wrong? And what is the source for this new wording? [[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 19:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC) BTW as a resident of Flanders I know that many Flemish people actually deliberately push discussion to Flemish or even English because they don't want to use French as a lingua franca in Brussels, even if they would speak French happily in Paris. So this is not a simple issue here that no one ever talks about. We should pick the right wording.--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 19:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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-- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.244.237|65.92.244.237]] ([[User talk:65.92.244.237|talk]]) 12:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2023 ==


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There is an estimated 30,000 [[Romani people]] in Belgium. Add this to the demographics section.


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Source: https://minorityrights.org/country/belgium/ [[Special:Contributions/103.164.138.55|103.164.138.55]] ([[User talk:103.164.138.55|talk]]) 22:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Brabant Revolution and loss of land ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2023 ==


I'd say it's pretty important to go into more detail about the Brabantian Revolution and the fact that Belgium were semi-autonomous during most of the 18th century.
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[[User:Bandyta L.N.G|Bandyta L.N.G]] ([[User talk:Bandyta L.N.G|talk]]) 19:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I want to change statistics because it's outdated
::Can you be more specific? Which statistics are out of date? Please if possible also give your evidence. Which sources are you comparing to?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 19:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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Also a specific mention of how Belgium were forced to give up Luxembourg and Limburg in 1839. [[User:Noubit|Noubit]] ([[User talk:Noubit|talk]]) 09:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
== Land area ==


:Those sound like reasonable proposals. Not sure if I will get a chance today so if anyone else wants to...?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 11:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Article says most recent measurement of land area used new methodology, but says "Unlike previous calculations, this one included the area from the coast to the low-water line, revealing the country to be 160 km2 (62 sq mi) larger in surface area than previously thought." Last two words indicate change in thought, not change in methodology. Suggest changing to "…than measured using previous methodology." [[User:IronJohnSr|IronJohnSr]] ([[User talk:IronJohnSr|talk]]) 14:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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Glaring Omission?

No mention of the London Conference (1830) and the Treaty of London (1839) that created Belgium? The treaty by which Belgium "...became internationally recognised as the Kingdom of Belgium."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Conference_of_1830

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1839)

I have not done any article-archaeology to see it if was mentioned before, and was edited out for some reason, but let's say I find it very surprising, but not eunexpected.

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2024

There is 30,000 Romani people in Belgium. Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://minorityrights.org/country/belgium/ 174.243.152.88 (talk) 17:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea. Perhaps helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Belgium --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 18:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done No specific edit requested. Requests should be "please add this sentence in this specific location", not "please add information about this". If any autoconfirmed user wants to add this on their own initiative, feel free. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

City of Brussels

I clicked on the capital of Belgium which was City of Brussels and not just Brussels. So what's the difference with that? They are not the same thing. City of Brussels seems to have too little content compared to Brussels. 180.244.133.42 (talk) 14:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: Bélgica

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Bélgica (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) currently redirects here. A hatnote needs to address this.

Please add:

{{redirect|Bélgica|other uses|Belgica (disambiguation)}}

-- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 11:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Erledigt ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 06:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Belgique (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) currently redirects here. There exists Belgique (disambiguation). The hatnote needs to be corrected to address this.

Please change:

{{Redirect|Belgique|the city in the United States|Belgique, Missouri}}

To:

{{Redirect|Belgique|other uses|Belgique (disambiguation)}}

-- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 11:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Erledigt PianoDan (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Belgia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) currently redirects here. The current hatnote needs to be adjusted to address the existence of the passenger ship SS Belgia.

Please change:

{{Redirect|Belgia|the predecessor as an Ancient Roman province|Gallia Belgica}}

to:

{{Redirect|Belgia|the predecessor as an Ancient Roman province|Gallia Belgica|the passenger ship|SS Belgia}}

-- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 12:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Erledigt ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 06:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Brabant Revolution and loss of land

I'd say it's pretty important to go into more detail about the Brabantian Revolution and the fact that Belgium were semi-autonomous during most of the 18th century.

Also a specific mention of how Belgium were forced to give up Luxembourg and Limburg in 1839. Noubit (talk) 09:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those sound like reasonable proposals. Not sure if I will get a chance today so if anyone else wants to...?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]