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==Bahá'í beliefs==
Hi, as discussed [[Talk:Michael_(archangel)#Heavily_biased|here]], do the Bahá'í have "official teachings" on Michael? If so, something needs to be said, else we will just skip that issue. Thanks. [[User:History2007|History2007]] ([[User talk:History2007|talk]]) 20:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:There isn't much about Michael, other that what used to be in the article. Given that there isn't a real importance applied to Michael in Baha'i literature, I would just not include anything about Baha'i beliefs in the article. Regards, -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 01:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:History2007|History2007]] ([[User talk:History2007|talk]]) 05:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, FYI: [[Talk:Jesus#Announcing_some_intentions_prior_to_editing_to_avoid_edit_warring]]. Thanks. [[User:History2007|History2007]] ([[User talk:History2007|talk]]) 20:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

:I've added my suggested revision. I haven't heard from you there or on my talk page, so I thought maybe you weren't watching the page. Hope you can comment and help improve it, but at the moment it's pretty much my first foray into editing mainspace, so, time permitting, I'm happy to do the bulk of the work. [[User:It&#39;s Been Emotional|IBE]] ([[User talk:It&#39;s Been Emotional|talk]]) 10:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks for your help on this. As the discussion there has already been archived ([[Talk:Jesus/Archive_116#Announcing_some_intentions_prior_to_editing_to_avoid_edit_warring]]), I'll post comments here for now, and on that talk page if needed. Sorry for not getting back sooner, but I was tied down by other things. It looks like your suggested revision is a compromise between the existing one and my suggestion. I'm thankful you've made this effort, but I prefer your existing version. If you don't mind, I'll go ahead and make incremental changes to the existing version, like including more references and so on. Do you use your watchlist much? Then I can just post notes on that talk page for any small things I do, and you can check there. The main thing I really feel strongly about is removing the parenthetical comment in the first line: "The Baha'i Faith, founded in 19th century Persia..." I think it should just be without the "founded in..", because people can click on the link, and it seems out of place. Regards, [[User:It&#39;s Been Emotional|IBE]] ([[User talk:It&#39;s Been Emotional|talk]]) 10:15, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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== disambiguation page? ==

Right now [[bihe]] goes to [[Viye]] which is a super small article. Think we can get a redirect to [[Bahá'í Institute for Higher Education]] or a disambiguation page? A bit out of my area how to ask.... [[User:Smkolins|Smkolins]] ([[User talk:Smkolins|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
:I would create a disambiguation page at [[bihe]] and link to the two articles. -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 16:38, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
::My first! [[User:Smkolins|Smkolins]] ([[User talk:Smkolins|talk]]) 18:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
==Hey==
Thanks for fixing the Baha'i articles, I really had no idea! [[User:Ncboy2010|Ncboy2010]] ([[User talk:Ncboy2010|talk]]) 19:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

== Baha'i Views section on [[Jesus]] Article ==

Another editor suggested on the talk page that I write and request your input and contribution to the section. I consider that wise counsel on their part :) [[User:Peter Deer|Peter Deer]] ([[User talk:Peter Deer|talk]]) 16:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
:This would be great - an anonymous editor has just asked if the article can be made to GA status. This would require references being added to this section as it currently has an OR tag. It would be great if you could. [[User:JZCL|'''JZ''']][[User talk:JZCL|''CL'']] 19:12, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
::I'll have some time on Sunday and Monday, and I'll take a look. Regards, -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 03:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks Jeff; the section looks much better now! [[User:JZCL|'''JZ''']][[User talk:JZCL|''CL'']] 06:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for cleaning up the Islamic schools and branches page. I had the same concerns but was afraid to revert back the page since there had been many edits after Arabic script had been heavily added to the page. I do however believe there should be a few select arabic terms in the page added with wisdom. [[User:Sakimonk|Sakimonk]] ([[User talk:Sakimonk|talk]]) 15:07, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

==White Revolution==
In January 2010, you indicated that a number of citations were needed in the [[White Revolution]] article, as well as some cleanup. Unfortunately, at the time you viewed the article, some fifteen citations had been inadvertently removed. The article has received some work since then, probably not enough, and I have restored the deleted citations, many of which went to points that you'd noted. If you'd give the article a second look and suggest needed tasks on the talk page, and needed citations as you did before, that would be much appreciated. Thanks. --[[User:Bejnar|Bejnar]] ([[User talk:Bejnar|talk]]) 21:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

== Hussein Bicar article ==

Hello Jeff...I'm sorry it looked like I was vandalizing Hussein Bicar's page...I've made some changes to it in my sandbox and would like to take your opinion before posting it. please take a look at it and let me know what you think because after that I need your help with some issues regarding the article. Here is the link. Thanks<br />

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Karimalaa/sandbox<br />
--[[User:Karimalaa|Karimalaa]] ([[User talk:Karimalaa|talk]]) 08:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
:Hello, I looked through the page you've written quickly, and I think it's a good start. The major problem with it is that virtually all of the article is unreferenced. Wikipedia has a policy of [[WP:V|verifiability]] which requires statements in articles be sourced from [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], otherwise it becomes [[WP:OR|original research]], and can be removed. Another problem with the article as it currently stands is that it is not written in an encyclopedic manner. For example the statements "''Bicar seemed destined to be an artist. he could play the lute beautifully at the age of eight and by nine.''" is not really appropriate for an encyclopedia because of the words ''destined'' and ''beautifully''. You'll need to write in a neutral way, as not an admirer of Bikar, otherwise you'll be breaking Wikipedia's [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] policy. Finally some of the pictures you've added will be deleted soon, because they are not ''free'' images. See [[Wikipedia:File copyright tags]]. Warm regards, -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 13:01, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for taking the time to go through it Jeff.<br />
I see there are three issue that need to be fixed, first is The referencing, I'll use the links you sent me to deal with it.
secondly, is re-writting in a neutral way and I can have that done.Third, the pictures you mentioned, I have six images that I need to use for this article that have been marked as violating copyrights, I didn't know much about using proper copyright license when I first posted them but then I learned about it and I've made the necessary changes and I believe they should be ok now, and I have provided explanation to the reason why I chose each license in the discussion page of each file...however they are still marked. I'd really appreciate if you take a look at them and provide me with your feedback.<br />

[[:File:The Eighth wonder 1.jpg]]<br />

[[:File:Bicar with his Lute and Buzuki.jpg]]<br />

[[:File:One of Bicar's paintings of Nubia.jpg]]<br />

[[:File:The Eighth wonder 2.jpg]]<br />

[[:File:Moroccan Boy Portrait by Hussein Bicar.jpg]]<br />

[[:File:Bicar playing the lute by Ahmad Sabry.jpg]]<br />

One last thing is the name of the article needs to be changed from "Hussein Bikar" to "Hussein Bicar" with a "C" because that is how he wrote it himself and he also signed his paintings as "Bicar" so I was hoping you can tell me how that can be done. thank you for your support<br />--[[User:Karimalaa|Karimalaa]] ([[User talk:Karimalaa|talk]]) 13:58, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


:: See [[Talk:Hussein_Bikar]] for some help. [[User:Smkolins|Smkolins]] ([[User talk:Smkolins|talk]]) 15:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
::Hello Karimalaa, I have moved the page as you requested to a page with the 'c'. As for the images, if the images are truly free of copyright, you can upload them to commons.wikimedia.org if and only if you can prove that they are free of copyright, and you provide where you obtained/found the image. Commons has a very high bar for inclusion, so if you cannot provide the proof of freedom of copyright, and source, I wouldn't put it there. Wikipedia has it's own images for those that are definitely not free of copyright, but are so important that they should be included in Wikipedia. These are called [[fair use]] images, and you can find more details at [[Wikipedia:Non-free content]]. For these fair use images, you'll still need to provide the source of the image (where you got it from), as well as a notice of who owns the copyright, and thirdly you'll need to provide a [[Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline|fair-use rationale]]. Hope that helps, -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 00:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Jeff, I have made further updates for Bicar's article and finally I was able to license all the used images properly. Kindly note that I'm part of a small team working on preparing for Bicar's centenary, among our preparations is a request sent to the administration in Google to commemorate Bicar's centenary on their logo on January 3rd, I'm afraid that having mention of Bicar's religion in the lead line might imply that we are trying to pass this as an occasion to bring recognition to the Baha'i faith in Egypt … not to mention the fanatic atmosphere and religious tension prevailing in Egypt now, specially that we are sending Bicar's Wikipedia article to Egyptian government officials seeking their support to sponsor Bicar's centenary by the Egyptian ministry of culture as he is the most recognized painter in Egypt's modern history and is very well known to the general public and despite everyone one knows he was Baha'i he never defined himself from a religious perspective.<br />
So I hope you understand that for the above reasons I need to disregard Bicar's religion from the lead line.--[[User:Karimalaa|Karimalaa]] ([[User talk:Karimalaa|talk]]) 22:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)<br />


Dear Jeff,
I want you to know that I am truly grateful for all your help and advice with the article. I owe you a great deal in that respect. <br />
I know it may be somewhat difficult for someone who does not live in Egypt to understand the implications of every single word mentioned around the Faith.<br />
Bicar was taken to prison in 1985 on the false accusation of spying for Israel! This is as you surely know is tantamount to high treason. This was within the highly illogical round up of 48 of the friends who were incarcerated in prison with criminals for more than six weeks on absolutely no grounds except that strange accusation. Some of them were single mothers and had to leave their children to neighbors and under extreme social pressure as to why their parents were arrested. I wish you would re-read the Ahram Weekly's argument to see how skewed and uneven handed it is in discussing an issue that is volatile and adds to the existing and currently mounting mindless hatred to any 'other'. In fact the article could be sited as an excellent example of instigation of hate. The reasons, though obvious to us out here, may not be so to you living as you do in a very different atmosphere. The Faith is not a 'cult' and we have been fighting since the 1920's to define it as a separate religion to be judged on its own grounds. As far as I know there is no Israeli house of worship thus far. There is only The Universal House of Justice. The article insinuates that since this is a cult that there must be a center and since The House of Justice happens to be in Haifa then Baha'is must by necessity owe allegiance to the State of Israel! This is the logic behind the article in Al Ahram. If you find this fair then there is nothing more I can say, except that citing Al Ahram as a responsible reference would be highly misleading to the reader and underscoring already existent bias and unknowingly propagating hate to our Faith. I am sure you have no wish to see that happen. Lastly, I think it irrelevant to mention Bicar's religion not on any of the grounds I spoke about above, but because the matter of religion never seems to be an issue with other artists that appear in Wikipedia and hence was wondering why it should be necessary in this case. There would be no harm indeed to mention Bicar's faith if we see a similar reference to a Jewish painter of world fame as an example to highlight the point I am trying to make. In the final analysis this last point is neither here nor there, the only issue of real importance is the citing of Ahram Weekly which draws on an uninformed popular image of the faith and is propagating blatant lies, unfortunately. I repeat the Faith is not a 'cult' and The Universal House of Justice is not an Israeli based cult that employs agents to 'take charge of all Baha'i places of worship'. This is irresponsible journalism to put it in the mildest words possible. I would truly appreciate it if you reflected on this and together we may come to an understanding that would serve rather than harm both Bicar and the Bahai faith.--[[User:Karimalaa|Karimalaa]] ([[User talk:Karimalaa|talk]]) 21:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)<br />

The only reference that brings mention of Bicar being Bahai other than Ahram weekly is this link http://www.bahai-egypt.org/2006/06/tribute-to-egyptian-bahais-national.html
It does the needful referencing and can be a substitute for Ahram’s misleading underscore on the Bahai faith.--[[User:Karimalaa|Karimalaa]] ([[User talk:Karimalaa|talk]]) 18:56, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
:Alas it is a blog and that is not a good standard for wikipedia. Other sources can be used which clarify the actual teachings of the religion and clarify what is right in the article and wrong.... --[[User:Smkolins|Smkolins]] ([[User talk:Smkolins|talk]]) 21:01, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

== RE: beypoeple, mirza wikiproject related ==

thanks for suggestion & I understand. --[[User:Beypeople|BeyPeople]] ([[USer_talk:Beypeople|talk]]) 10:39, 31-12-12 (UTC)--

== Maitreya claimants are Bodhisattva which seems to have caused an edit war ==
Yes, recently I was helping categorize urn categorized Bodhisattas or rather uncategorized Bodhisattva claimants in the Bodhisattvas category. This has needlessly lead to an edit war. For example, if a person claims to be Akashagarbha, Avalokiteshvara, Kshitigarbha, Mahastamaprapta, Maitreya, Manjushri, Samatabahadra, Sarvanivaraavishkambin, or any other bodhisattva, that's a bodhisattva claim, even if it isn't explicitly specified as such on that particular page. One of the three edit warriors claim there was no such claim on the page, to Bodhisattvahood, but as explained earlier there is a claim to Maitreyahood on the page which is the same thing actually. I'll copy and past this to the talk pages of all three edit warriors. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.194.88.11|70.194.88.11]] ([[User talk:70.194.88.11|talk]]) 23:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Responded on your talk page, Regards, -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 23:55, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
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It appears you have a different understanding of what qualifies as Universalism in the wide expansive sense, then do the editors over on the [[Universalism]] article. I only added articles to the [[Template:Universalism footer]] and to the category Universalism if they meet the definition of Universalism on it's article and are mentioned on it as well. And it defines Universalism as "referring to religious, theological, and philosophical concepts with universal application or applicability. Universalism is a term used to identify particular doctrines considering all people in their formation." It then further states "In a broad sense Universalism claims that religion is a universal human quality. This can be contrasted with nonuniversalist religions. Religion in this context is defined as a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs." If this dos not fit thees articles in question I would suggest heading over to the Universalism article and making the appropriate changes. I will then be happy to change the template based on the changes you make. --[[User:Nived 90|Devin Murphy]] ([[User talk:Nived 90|talk]]) 19:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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:Imagine reading an article about the history of any religion, be it in an encyclopedia, or a magazine, or a book, does it interrupt the timeline and start talking about the history of newspaper publications. I have never seen one, and there is a good reason; it is disrupting to one trying to gain knowledge of the sequence of events. So it definitely doesn't fit. I don't know where it fits, maybe it's own article at best; it seems more like a research article than an encyclopedia page. -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 14:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
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::I don't disagree about the aim - it wasn't meant to be an interruption. But it was meant to broaden the reality of the history - that it was noticed widely. The history is often presented solely internally so to speak but the reality is that it was recognized on a wider scale just as persecution in Iran today is recognized on a wider scale. --[[User:Smkolins|Smkolins]] ([[User talk:Smkolins|talk]]) 14:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Regardless of it's aims it's in the wrong place, and it's a distraction to most readers. -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 14:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:::: yet the "natural" segregation of something like a "Western accounts" version of the article creates an artificial separation. I'd wish a more constructive process would engage the content without creating a distraction or oversimplying the account of things. In the country articles there are some with content touching on the historical connection of individuals to events there. Why cannot there be any reference in such an article to connections beyond the political lines? --[[User:Smkolins|Smkolins]] ([[User talk:Smkolins|talk]]) 14:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:::: Not only that but these accounts also mark the insertion of Tahirih and Quddus, the first western meeting with Baha'u'llah and so on. Do you think that kind of material only belongs in [[Báb]] or [[Bahá'í timeline]] ?
:::::You are writing as if you are writing a research paper, where you wouldn't want an "artificial seperation", but an encyclopedia article is not a research paper. The content is at best a separate article, with some links as [[WP:SS|summary style]] from other articles. -- 00:36, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


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As I made it clear in my last comments to your talk, and which you conveniently chose to ignore, the edits you are now making to the Huquq page are not based upon Secondary Sources. I will infact re-edit the page to remove the unsupported tertiary and primary sources, to be in comformity with exactly what it is that you have said. If you cannot provide authentic verifiable secondary source on the calculation of the Huquq, then it will not be articulated in such manner.


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Moreover, the corporate body known as the "Universal House of Justice" is in fact not universally recognized by Baha'is throughout the world and not all Huquq by Baha'is is payed to them.
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I would like to add to this conversation, that even though that even though wikipedia is primarily based on secondary sources, primary sources do have a place on wikipedia, per wikipedia policy.
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This especially makes sense in the case of the texts from the Bahá'í Holy Writings, which do not allow for interpretation by anyone but the Guardian of the Faith. Thus in the case of the Bahá'í Faith, which is unique, all secondary sources can do is repeat exactly what is already said in the primary source. Furthermore, since the Holy Writings are widely and easily available for anybody to read (educated or not), so that context can also be read if interested, it makes even more sense to city the primary source, so that anybody who needs to verify its correctness or read the text in context can do so very easily. Of course this can then be supplemented by secondary sources (much more difficult to verify), such as encyclopedias, per wikipedia policy. Verifiability is wikipedia's '''"core content policies"''': verifiability, no original research and neutral point of view are Wikipedia's core content policies.<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability</ref>


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Lastly, to put it all in context, this discussion has focused not on any "large passages" of primary source material, nor on exclusive citing of primary source material. All that is concerned is the part of its calculation, of which multiple views exist, and for which primary sources, that do not allow for interpretation anyways, are added to the discussion. Therefore please, I hope you will not do anything as rash as removing "all primary sources" from the pages, as you threatened to do, but perhaps seek to add further secondary sources to them while preserving the presentation of several viewpoints. Primary sources have a place in any academic work, from journal papers, to encyclopedia's to wikipedia: <blockquote> Unless restricted by another policy, '''primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia'''<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:68.101.69.1#Re:_2</ref></blockquote>


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::Sorry, but your comments don't really make sense. For example when you state "This especially makes sense in the case of the texts from the Bahá'í Holy Writings, which do not allow for interpretation by anyone but the Guardian of the Faith." it is exactly for that reason why we need secondary sources. How Shoghi Effendi interprets something has to be reported by a secondary source, because there are differences in how people understand his intepretation, or even agree with that assertion. It is fact for you, but not fact for someone else. Also there are many Wikipedia policies that disallow the inclusion of many quotes. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a source of Baha'i quotes. People should the primary source material or Baha'i material if they want to see that content. Warm regards, -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000#top|talk]]) 14:48, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Also, I should let you know that if a fact is important enough that you want it to be included in Wikipedia, there must be a secondary source that states it, and it requires you just find it, which requires more of your time. If there is no secondary source, then you may being dealing with something that is best left outside of an encyclopedia.
:::I also noticed that you edited the [[Universal House of Justice]] article and heavily based it on primary sources. I have since removed those statements. Your edits were very much coming from a Baha'i view and that is not appropriate. Remember we are writing an acadmeic neutral encyclopedia.
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