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:::::Interesting. The indef wasn't imposed by a "decision" of an admin - it was a community indef decision executed on the community's behalf by an admin. I assume that that makes it a CBAN whether or not the word "ban" was used - but I could be wrong on that. What's the answer? [[User:DeCausa|DeCausa]] ([[User talk:DeCausa|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Interesting. The indef wasn't imposed by a "decision" of an admin - it was a community indef decision executed on the community's behalf by an admin. I assume that that makes it a CBAN whether or not the word "ban" was used - but I could be wrong on that. What's the answer? [[User:DeCausa|DeCausa]] ([[User talk:DeCausa|talk]]) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::I've created [[Wikipedia talk:Banning policy#Are "site bans", "CBANs", and "indefinitely blocked by the community" all the same thing?]] to get clarification on this matter. I think it is important to clarify this 1) to improve the clarity of the banning policy, and 2) to let Drbogdan know exactly what the correct unblock procedure is. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 00:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::I've created [[Wikipedia talk:Banning policy#Are "site bans", "CBANs", and "indefinitely blocked by the community" all the same thing?]] to get clarification on this matter. I think it is important to clarify this 1) to improve the clarity of the banning policy, and 2) to let Drbogdan know exactly what the correct unblock procedure is. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 00:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ABanning_policy&diff=1233102961&oldid=1233057867 I (and others) said in that thread] it is pretty clear from the policy that this is a CBAN. Note also that {{u|Ivanvector}} in in his block notice above says to successfully appeal Drbogdan {{tq|will need to convince the community}}. [[User:DeCausa|DeCausa]] ([[User talk:DeCausa|talk]]) 08:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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^Bogdan, Dr. Dennis (February 16, 2020). "The one particular chemical is Nucleic Acid - a basic chemical for all known life forms - in the form of DNA - and/or - RNA - that defines - by way of a particular genetic code sequence - all the astronomically diverse known life forms on Earth - all such known life forms are essentially a variation of this particular Nucleic Acid chemical that, at a very basic level, has been uniquely coded for a specific known life form". Dr. Dennis Bogdan.
Testing a new Wiki-App: my "Webm Music Video" (webm video) - "Just Out Walking" - may return at a better time - Comments Welcome - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - and - Enjoy !! :) - Drbogdan (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: - Related conversions/downloads/uploads seem to test ok - including web browsers (desktops/laptop) tested (so far) - Drbogdan (talk) 12:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: - May not always be available these days due to other interests and concerns (including real-world ones) - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - and - Enjoy !! :) - Drbogdan (talk) 13:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: - Thanks for all your recent comments - interesting - re your iPhone - we don't have an iPhone and i'm happy you tried this - seems Wikipedia requires WEBM for video files - but iPhone may not? - maybe missing a relevant video codec for WEBM on the iPhone? - maybe the iPhone works better for the same video on Youtube (possibly MP4? - but not WEBM) at => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIDB-94jxc - if interested, my other songs are at => https://www.youtube.com/user/Joannebogdan/videos - iac - Thanks for trying - it's appreciated - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 16:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I want to add that I like the music. Not only does it remind me of "Going Up the Country" by Canned Heat (read that article to see why), but it also has a very modern feel, in the sense that internet videos often use this type of music as theme music and perhaps even as incidental music when the host is engaging in action on screen, such as driving a car down a road, or walking somewhere, such as on a farm or in a park. I could see internet video celebrities using this music as part of their soundtrack. For an idea of how this kind of thing works, listen to how the music is used in videos about Japanese culture in Abroad in Japan, as one of many examples. Viriditas (talk) 21:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, well done. BTW, if you’re on Reddit, check out r/sanfrancisco. Yesterday, a Redditor posted a map of their 30+ mile hike around the perimeter of San Francisco, complete with Apple stats. It’s an amazing discussion for several reasons. Check it out. Viriditas (talk) 22:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A copy of my comments on ANI is as folliows (see below): - Drbogdan (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Kommentar - Thank You *very much* for the discussion - yes - and Thanks for all the complements over the years (see => User:Drbogdan#My Awards) (since 2006 - or earlier?) - yes - my intention is to present all my edits in *good faith* - always - and abide by all WP rules as best as possible - at the moment, my total edits over all wikis (including Wikitionary and WikiSpecies) is 98,193 (see => Special:CentralAuth/Drbogdan) - in addition, I've created 306 articles (perhaps noteworthy is Earliest known life forms), 70 templates (perhaps noteworthy are my efforts at {{Human timeline}} and {{Life timeline}}), 34 userboxes and uploaded 2,488 images (see => User:Drbogdan#My Contributions) - to date - my professional background (and related) is presented to help others better evaluate my editing efforts - some of my edits, particularly at User:Drbogdan, the related Talk Page, including 13 Talk archives (see => User talk:Drbogdan), the sandbox (see => User:Drbogdan/sandbox and related subpages) have been experimental efforts, learning opportunities to improve my use of WP:WikiCode, and test areas to explore new ways of presenting Wiki-related projects and articles (and more) - regarding some of my WP:Redirects - please see => my explanation for their creation as follows: *Comment - As OA of several of the WP:Redirects noted above, it's *entirely* ok wth me to do whatever is decided in the final WP:CONSENSUS discussion - these WP:RDRs were made as a way of linking to Wikipedia from External Websites (like FaceBook), which drops the ending ")", this problem has been fully described and discussed [by me] on the WP:Village pump (technical) at VP-Archive204 (a Must-Read); VP-Archive180; VP-Archive162 - in any case - hope this helps in some way - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 13:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC) - yes - some of my edits could be better - and which I hope to improve even more over time and further practice - I greatly appreciate others helping to correct my unintentionally-made issues - as I have helped them correct their own editing issues over the years - in any case - hope my comments above helps in some ways - please let me know if otherwise of course - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 12:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
I would try to limit your participation in the Mfd’s and the ANI. You’ve said everything that can be said. Adding any more at this point could work against you. Also, you may want to change your focus and pay more attention to starting a new article and following the article creation process for a single topic, nominating for DYK, GAN, and even FAC. This will force you to learn the most current methods and procedures and to update your skill set. I notice you are sometimes risk averse to new things, but it would help to let go of that mindset. I think you would really enjoy expanding your reach. Viriditas (talk) 09:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am reviewing your talk page archives to see how this whole thing started. It looks like Warren misinterpreted your preference for talk page formatting, which is your longtime personal style, as an affront to his person. We both know you didn’t mean or intend this, but I have noticed this pattern to your edits and comments, in that you tend to do things in a very unique and personal way that often leads to misunderstanding and resentment from others, particularly the kind of personalities who expect things to happen a certain way and don’t like surprises or deviations from the norm. I think you should account for these kinds of narrow personalities in future interactions. I’m not saying you did anything wrong, because you didn’t. I know your style and I’m perfectly happy with it, but I can see how people who don’t know you might get the wrong impression. Something to think about? Viriditas (talk) 09:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: - Thank You for *all* your comments and suggestions - *entirely* agree - had thought nearly the same as well - besides - I've gotten busy with one thing or another these days with other interests and concerns (as before, mostly in the real-world) - so no problem whatsoever - should note that I have no problem staying within the norm - tried a few ideas to help make talk pages clearer, more useful and organized - incidentally, seems my actual starting/registraton date may have been lost during the early days of Wikipedia? => Seems My "Registration Date" Could Be -> "Before December, 2005" - Or, At Least, "October 24, 2007," (Date Of My "First Edit") based on my following discussion at => Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 October 5#What Is My Registration Date? - in any case - thanks again for your comments and all - they're *greatly* appreciated - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 10:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just thought of something fun we could collaborate on together. Have you considered looking at your image collection, particularly the ones you have uploaded (or ones you have planned to upload), and thought about any new articles we can create? I know you've got a few from some live performances or lectures by some famous people (or even hiking trails, or better yet, chemistry-related topics). If you can think of any events or topics we can create based on those images, I would be more than happy to work on the article improvement process with you, even if you only have an hour or so a day to do it. Let me know. Viriditas (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: - Thanks for your comments - and suggestions - seems interesting - very busy at the moment with other interests and concerns (mostly real-world) - but may consider this further at a better time - Thanks again - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm assuming this was a mistake or error of some kind.[1] I've removed it. If you have a link to a better source, I would be happy to consider adding it. Viriditas (talk) 16:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My best guess is that you intended to add a link to the article and somehow added the link to your comment instead. While I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the article (last time I ate meat was in 1987), I don't think it fits the topic as an op/ed. Just FYI... the only reason I became aware of it was because of the discussion on Talk:Pleistocene human diet where someone pointed it out. Viriditas (talk) 16:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: - Thank you for this - yes - such an edit/ref should *not* be there of course (for a variety of good WikiReasons) (hopefully there's no other such refs - please rv/rm/del/adj/ce edits/refs if any others may show up) - a better related reference may be here instead[1] - should be ok - let me know if otherwise of course - iac - Thanks again - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just removed or fixed ten articles with similar problems. You can see it in my contribution list. I partially blame myself here, because I saw you putting together the NYT comment list on your talk page way back when, and I thought to myself, "what's the harm, the community will vote to delete it anyway", but I see it has slightly gone beyond that. Not sure what you were thinking here, but my man, I love you to bits, but please, put the brakes on this kind of thing immediately. Viriditas (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, just saw you were one of the leading (active) contributors of the article. I was hoping to take it for a GA review. Care to join? If it passes, it can join Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 as a Good topic. Thanks and happy editing. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jeffrey Leiden updates
Hi Drbogdan, I work for Jeffrey Leiden, the executive chairman of Vertex Pharmaceuticals, and I am trying to update his page. I noticed that you made edits to the Vertex page in the past, so I’m hoping you’ll be interested in taking a look at the edit request I’ve posted here. Another editor has already implemented the last bullet point in the request, would you be willing to implement the remaining three edits? Thank you, JohnDatVertex (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
July 2024: Blocked from editing
To enforce the outcome of a community discussion at the administrators' incidents noticeboard, you have been blocked from editing. Please see this discussion for further information. This block is indefinite, meaning only that it will not automatically expire, it can only be removed if you successfully appeal. In order to do so you will need to convince the community that you understand the reason[s] why you were blocked, and explain how you will change your editing approach so that your future edits will not continue to be disruptive. Please see the blocking policy and the guide to appealing blocks. The message below is a standard template informing you of your block and with courtesy links for more information.
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I hope this solves climate change and brings us some rain.
Hopefully you will not stop editing Wikipedia because it was your turn to be tossed into the volcano. Happens quite a bit, editors turn on someone once they are "taken" to ANI. Up to this point you've had no blocks, and the standard route for active editors is to give an initial 24-hour block, then 31, then a week or something, and then maybe they'll be tossed overboard. They took you from 0 to indef. My personal experience with your edits has been a case of looking forward to them, as I know you report new science and space related topics fairly soon after they happen. As for now, an indef is just that, indefinite. A few weeks or a couple months may be beneficial or may not be - you may totally realize that Wikipedia is yours as much as anyone's and come back strong, or you may break the addiction and get on with the next chapter. Have you got a book lurking within you that you haven't had time for? Again, thanks for your work here, and I hope there's more to come. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And, Drbogdan, if you do decide to pursue the WP:Standard offer you will have learnt to make a major change to your approach to editing Wikipedia. That is expected before you can come back. DeCausa (talk) 22:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DeCausa, the "offer" includes waiting six months, which is certainly not set in stone. Plenty of indef's have ended much earlier than that. What I was saying is that a 31 hour or three-day block is often enough to mark and provide a major change in editing habits, and going from no blocks in an editor's long-time Wikipedia career to indef does not seem at all like the norm, and comes across more like a pile-on. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's your opinion, but, in my opinion, you are misleading Drbogdan. Because of the issues raised and Drbogdan's non-responsiveness to those issues when put to him, it will take some persuading of the community to lift the CBAN. It all hangs on how Drbogdan responds (if indeed he wants to come back). If it's anything like how he responded at the ANI thread, he won't be back. I don't think it's helpful to him (if he wishes to come back) to underplay that. DeCausa (talk) 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not underplaying it, but, once again, to impose an indef as a first block is usually reserved for vandals, nogoodniks, and thirty edit know-it-alls. This is not the case here, and "the community' would be better served if it learned not to pile on in the future. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @DeCausa, this feels like potentially misleading Drbogdan. It’s an unusual situation to jump to an indef from nothing, but it’s one that was done with universal community consensus except the two people here downplaying it in response to a situation that itself was highly unusual. Typically someone with Drbogdan’s editing habits would have been blocked long ago and it’s pretty much impossible to argue that he wasn’t warned considering the long string of editors asking him to improve his editing and tone down the disruptiveness. As was pointed out in the ANI, no editors really believed that anything short of an indef was going to result in poor editing being stopped.
We understand your perspectives, but it’s a bit disingenuous to present the indef here as some sort of overreach when it was a community decision arrived at after a long line of bad behaviour going back at least a decade. It’s unreasonable to present this as a pile on rather than the good faith conclusion of the best course of action by a large number of unrelated editors, and if Drbogdan appeals his indef on the grounds of this being an unreasonable pile-on I think his appeal with be very quickly rejected. He, and to an extent both of you (@Viriditas), need to try to understand why the community spoke with one voice here. Your perspectives represent a slim minority of editors who engaged with that ANI, it’s not really reasonable to present your perspectives as some sort of co-valid minority report to a user who was indeffed on behavioural grounds.
he’s going to need to demonstrate an understanding of what lead to the indef that this sort of whitewashing is going to be mutually exclusive with. I think Drbogdan is capable of contributing positively if he’s willing to come back and learn how to improve his edits substantially, but you both need to shake the notion that this indef was overly harsh and out of line; it’s a perfectly reasonable and consistent response for what is effectively long term promotional vandalism and low quality editing on Wikipedia. Even if you personally don’t agree with that, it’s where the consensus lies and it’s what Drbogdan is going to need to directly address to return to an editing career.
I don’t think either of you are actually helping here, as much as I understand your desire to express sympathy. The results of the ANI were decided with consensus, this isn’t the place to continue arguing against that consensus. I also don’t want this to turn into a forumesque fight, so I’ll probably leave my response here as-is and not engage much further. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ06:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
persuading of the community to lift the CBAN. Is it a CBAN? I don't recall the word banned being mentioned in the discussion or the close.
If it is a community imposed indefinite block, can any admin just accept the unblock request once DrBogdan composes an unblock request showing a sufficient and convincing amount of behavioral reform? –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. The indef wasn't imposed by a "decision" of an admin - it was a community indef decision executed on the community's behalf by an admin. I assume that that makes it a CBAN whether or not the word "ban" was used - but I could be wrong on that. What's the answer? DeCausa (talk) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drbogdan, the Wikipedia community is concerned about your editing habits. Some editors have expressed concerns with your "My 100+ Publications" list up above which implies they are peer-reviewed publications, when in fact they are comments you made in the NYT. Some editors have expressed their opinion that this is a form of self-promotion, and is misleading. I honestly don't care what people do with their user pages as long as it isn't explicitly attacking other people or intentionally denigrating people as a class, sex, race, etc., so it's never bothered me. I'm more of a live and let live kind of person in that regard, but the community doesn't accept what you're doing with the NYT comments and how you are using them here. I think a good first step in getting on the right track is to simply remove and delete all this material and all the links to it. Of course, that's only a first step, and really, just a baby step. A better approach is to completely revamp your pages and remove anything remotely perceived as promotional. I admit, this is not something I ever perceived before, nor is it something that concerns me, but you have to begin to address these concerns as they are important to others. Viriditas (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note, I've started a discussion about the use of science-related press releases here. You may want to keep an eye on it as it directly pertains the type of edits you make. Viriditas (talk) 01:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]