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Goodyear tire box

There are several Tire manufacturer box templates (see CATEGORY), for use in race box scores, etc. For Indy 500 and Indy car race box scores (example 1995 Indianapolis 500), largely it's Firestone and Goodyear that are used. Here are those two:

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Firestone seems fine, as the colors match the company's red & white color scheme. But is there a reason why Goodyear is depicted as white on gold? I could not find discussion from when it was made. Whether it was created for a reason, or made in error. For years, Goodyear has utilized a yellow on blue logo. For a time there was a white/blue variation, as well as a black/silver variation. But the white/gold seems out of place. I can't find a company logo of white/gold as depicted. I suggest creating a yellow/blue variation, at least for use in U.S.-based Indy 500 and IndyCar articles. Noting that changing the original would probably be a bad idea because it would sweep through countless articles (F1, etc.)

Suggestion here:

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A yellow/blue box would match also the existing "tire participation charts" used on many Indy 500 race articles

Tire participation chart
Supplier	No. of starters
Goodyear	25 *
Firestone	8
* – Denotes race winner

Doctorindy↔Talk 19:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Yellow on white is one of the scheme coulours of their logos and the one used in Good Year article on WP. The label "Good Year" and "Eagle" was as I can remember always either yellow or white against the black tire, never blue. Maybe this is why. Rpo.castro (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I feel the yellow on blue is an improvement. RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the template's history, User:SpeedKing (who last edited in 2022) originally created the template as black text on a gold background. Twelve minutes later, User:Fred Bradstadt (who last edited in 2021) changed it to white text with the edit summary of "A bit smaller, and white text: Looks now more like {{Michelin}} and {{Bridgestone}}". My guess is that User:SpeedKing just picked an arbitrary colour. I would have no objection to it being changed to yellow on blue (providing it satisfies MOS:CONTRAST). I think you could change the original template; I suspect most people wouldn't even notice the change. And/or you could advertise this discussion at WP:MOTORSPORT. DH85868993 (talk) 02:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Looking and researching the other tire template boxes, it appears that every single one utilizes a color combination that reflects the company's logo (the official company logo, not necessarily the color painted on the black tires). Goodyear is the lone exception. I think it should be yellow-on-blue to fall in line with the theme of the other templates. Doctorindy↔Talk 13:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

With no apparent objections, change has been made to the original template. Doctorindy↔Talk 18:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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Box score consistency

A revamping of the Indianapolis 500 box scores (on the individual race articles) was done earlier this year, refreshing them a bit, attempting to make them more consistent. One aspect that needs some input is under the "Status" column. Typically cars that are on the lead lap are listed as +00.000 seconds. Cars that dropped out list the reason for dropping out ("Crash", "Engine", etc.). But cars that are running at the finish (but not on the lead lap) are a mixed bag. Some say "Running". Some say "Flagged". Some say for example -1 Lap, but some say +1 Lap.

I'd like to see some consistency with the latter situation (cars running at the finish but not on the lead lap). I suggest it be the -1 Lap version. As the car is a lap down, they're minus a lap (or more) to the leader. I've never really understood the +1 Lap way of writing it, because the car is not completing more laps that the winner, they completed less. For lead lap cars, it does makes common sense to use +00.000 seconds, because they're completing the same number of laps, needing more time to do so. But since the lapped cars don't go the distance, it should clearly indicate they did less.

Two existing examples, one with "-", one with "+"

• 1987 Indianapolis 500
• 2024 Indianapolis 500

The remaining box scores that simply say "Running" or "Flagged" (there are several) need to eventually be upgraded to show +00.00 and laps down - after a consensus is made. Doctorindy↔Talk 14:23, 9 July 2024 (UTC)