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A number of changes have been discussed and rejected multiple times, and sometimes discussed and ignored. Please review the below discussions before adding a new section for the parameter you would like to add. Each discussion is listed by most- to least-recent.

I would like |predecessor= and |successor= added: See: Add a space to input succeeding and preceding games if it is in a series, Three parameters suggestions, Add sequel and succeeded, Add "follows" and "follwed by" in videogame infobox template., Iterative games, Prequel and Sequel, GameSeries
I would like |website= added: See: Add a link to the website of the game, "Official Website" Field, No way to add a website., Template-protected edit request on 5 November 2020, Three parameters suggestions, add website parameter, website
I would like |based on= added: See: Template-protected edit request on 13 July 2020, How about a "Based on" parameter?
I would like |support status= added: See: Template-protected edit request on 31 May 2021, Early access date, Add field for end of life?, "Discontinued" date or similar for multiplayer/online games, Add new field for current status, Optional support stopped parameter wanted needed
I would like |infobox software parameter= added: See: Programming language, Optional Source Code Repo field, Add field for latest release version and date (as in Infobox software), Parameter suggestion: "size", Size parameter, Add license field?, Add a game version information, Programming language, missing fields
I would like |specific technical parameter= added: See: Addition of parameters, Parameters to the video game infobox, Addition of new optional parameters
I would like |other kind of parameter= added: See: Add Reception?, e.g. PEGI age ratings are missing from this info box, Budget field, Sound director parameter
I would like Wikidata to...: See: Release date (P577), Image property
I would like to refine how we treat a certain field, or even remove it: See: Staff precedence, "other_name" paramter, Propose adding Age Guide, Updating Computer Releases, Proposal on arcade fields (successful), On ending the practice of laundry listing dates..., Derivative copyrighted cover arts, Platform and Release Date fields, Guidelines for including Producer(s), Co-op, On staff in infobox, macOS in the infobox, Removal of the display parameter, Distributor (successful)

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Age ratings need to be implemented!

Age ratings needs to be a part of the standard template for video games. I think this should be obvious. (Can someone fix? I don't know how) 2A01:563:128:700:DCA4:4385:D7F4:3F67 (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you provide any arguments that transcend the previous discussion on the matter? IceWelder [✉] 19:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are too many age rating systems in the world to be able to include them all in infoboxes. Hence why we (as well as for movies and television shows) do not implement them. Masem (t) 19:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Late response, but I was thinking maybe we could draw from Wikidata and have it automatically populated in a small module in the release section like the review scores? But it definitively isn't infobox worthy. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

License field

I have looked through some of the links in the header here about adding new parameters, and see that there seems like pretty solid agreement that some stuff (i.e. repository link, release version etc) shouldn't be included. But I do not see any real in-depth discussion of licensing; there is stuff like Template_talk:Infobox_video_game/Archive_15#Add_license_field? and Template_talk:Infobox_video_game/Archive_15#missing_fields where somebody just says "this field previously existed and was removed by consensus", but doesn't link to the consensus; either way these discussions were five and seven years ago respectively. Somebody proposes making a separate infobox for open source games and then including the fields in there, which I don't really see having much response.

I do see the argument against putting in a param for license, which is that it wouldn't be used very often, which is true, although I don't really see why it would be a big deal (almost every infobox on the project has multiple unused parameters). What is the story on this? jp×g 🗯️ 23:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason it's not in the infobox is it's a little beyond "wouldn't be used very often" and much closer to "less than 1% would use". It's presence would also result in tons of people adding things like "license = Proprietary" over and over all over the place, because a omitted parameter is a parameter to be filled in many people's minds. -- ferret (talk) 23:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The less parameters in use, the better. Any game that isn't proprietary usually has that mentioned in prose and included as a category. An infobox that has several unused parameters should be looked at and fixed too. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Age ratings need to be implemented! ==
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+Age ratings needs to be a part of the standard template for video games. I think this should be obvious.
+(Can someone fix? I don't know how) [[Special:Contributions/2A01:563:128:700:DCA4:4385:D7F4:3F67|2A01:563:128:700:DCA4:4385:D7F4:3F67]] ([[User talk:2A01:563:128:700:DCA4:4385:D7F4:3F67|talk]]) 19:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
+:Could you provide any arguments that transcend [[Template talk:Infobox video game/Archive 16#e.g. PEGI age ratings are missing from this info box|the previous discussion]] on the matter? [[User:IceWelder|<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">IceWelder</span>]] &#91;[[User talk:IceWelder|<span style="color: #424242;">&#9993;</span>]]&#93; 19:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
-Currently it reads "Add release dates ... for English-language regions and the developer's region." I think it should also say "first country of release" or something similar. The original release isn't necessarily in the developer's region. Saw this at [[Gray Matter (video game)]] where original release date was deleted because it wasn't in a "major region". [[User:Mika1h|Mika1h]] ([[User talk:Mika1h|talk]]) 00:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
-:I have altered the wording to state that it should be the region of first release (if different from Western release) and that typically is the developer's region.<span id="Masem:1708392929879:Template_talkFTTCLNInfobox_video_game" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)</span>
+:There are too many age rating systems in the world to be able to include them all in infoboxes. Hence why we (as well as for movies and television shows) do not implement them. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
+::Late response, but I was thinking ''maybe'' we could draw from Wikidata and have it automatically populated in a small module in the release section like the review scores? But it definitively isn't infobox worthy. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 23:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
+== License field ==
-== italic title parameter doesn't affect above ==
+I have looked through some of the links in the header here about adding new parameters, and see that there seems like pretty solid agreement that some stuff (i.e. repository link, release version etc) shouldn't be included. But I do not see any real in-depth discussion of licensing; there is stuff like [[Template_talk:Infobox_video_game/Archive_15#Add_license_field?]] and [[Template_talk:Infobox_video_game/Archive_15#missing_fields]] where somebody just says "this field previously existed and was removed by consensus", but doesn't link to the consensus; either way these discussions were five and seven years ago respectively. Somebody proposes making a separate infobox for open source games and then including the fields in there, which I don't really see having much response.
-{{Edit template-protected|ans=yes}}
-The italicization of <code>above</code> is done with TemplateStyles, so it remains italicized when <code>italic title</code> is set to <code>no</code>. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Snowmanonahoe|contribs]] '''·''' [[User:Snowmanonahoe/Typos|typos]]) 20:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
-:Please link to a page showing this effect. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 03:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
-::[[Roblox]], per requester's recent edits. [[User:SilverLocust|<small style="color:#667;background:#fff;border:2px solid;border-radius:.4em;padding:0 .3em">SilverLocust</small>]] [[User talk:SilverLocust|💬]] 05:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
-:::[[Special:PermaLink/1214884723|Permalink]] because {{noping|Rhain}} fixed it with {{tl|noitalics}}. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Snowmanonahoe|contribs]] '''·''' [[User:Snowmanonahoe/Typos|typos]]) 15:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
-::::It looks like someone took care of this rare exception with {{tl|ni}}. According to the documentation, <code>italic title</code> controls the display of the title of the article as displayed at the very top of your browser window (the H1-formatted page title), not the text at the top of the infobox. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
-:::::Well yeah, but an even rarer exception than this rare exception is wanting the title to not be italics but also wanting the the top of the infobox to be italics. [[User:Snowmanonahoe|Snowmanonahoe]] ([[User talk:Snowmanonahoe|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Snowmanonahoe|contribs]] '''·''' [[User:Snowmanonahoe/Typos|typos]]) 15:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
-::::::If you have specific edits you would like to make to change the template, you can make the changes in [[Template:Infobox video game/sandbox]] and/or [[Template:Infobox video game/styles.css/sandbox]] and then reactivate the request. [[User:SilverLocust|<small style="color:#667;background:#fff;border:2px solid;border-radius:.4em;padding:0 .3em">SilverLocust</small>]] [[User talk:SilverLocust|💬]] 18:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
-::::::To clarify, I'm not sure that scenario ''is'' actually rarer; it would apply whenever the infobox is used multiple times within an article, such as [[Ni no Kuni mobile games|here]] or [[The Sims 3 expansion packs|here]]. <span class="nowrap">– [[User:Rhain|<span style="color: #008;">'''''Rhain'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Rhain|☔]] <small>([[he/him]])</small></span> 23:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
-:Incidentally, that the title is italicized by styles is a bit sus to me; italic markup is totally appropriate for the name of a video game. (Well, WHATWG would prefer we use <cite> but we use that instead for actual citations and italics instead for names of italicized things like species, books, and ships.) [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 08:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
+I do see the argument against putting in a param for license, which is that it wouldn't be used very often, which is true, although I don't really see why it would be a big deal (almost every infobox on the project has multiple unused parameters). What is the story on this? <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8">[[User:JPxG|<b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>]]×[[Special:Contribs/JPxG|<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>]][[User talk:JPxG|🗯️]]</b> 23:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
-== Port developers ==
+:The main reason it's not in the infobox is it's a little beyond "wouldn't be used very often" and much closer to "less than 1% would use". It's presence would also result in tons of people adding things like "license = Proprietary" over and over all over the place, because a omitted parameter is a parameter to be filled in many people's minds. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 23:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
-The infobox guidelines clearly stated that we should not list port developers. A common way to circumvent this guideline is to use notelist, which IMO is pretty much the same thing. I think it is due time to discuss whether using notelist to circumvent this guideline should be considered to be acceptable, either updating the guidelines descriptions (explicitly say that it is ok to list them with notes), or reaffirming that the infobox should only list solely the lead developer, and nothing else. [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 19:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
-:I’d be happy with making it more explicit. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #ad3e00;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #ad3e00;">talk</span>]]</small></sup> 19:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
+::The less parameters in use, the better. Any game that isn't proprietary usually has that mentioned in prose and included as a category. An infobox that has several unused parameters should be looked at and fixed too. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 23:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
-:Think should be okay to include as notes, gives them less prominence but still includes so seems like good balance. Examples of including port developer as notes include good articles [[Horizon Zero Dawn]] and [[The Last of Us Part I]], and featured article [[Spider-Man (2018 video game)]]. Note it's template documentation, not a guideline as you say, big difference as guidelines have more process for consensus. [[User:Indagate|Indagate]] ([[User talk:Indagate|talk]]) 20:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
-::That's a big [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] to be honest, not to mention that HZD and Spider-Man both have their notes added ''after'' their GAN/FAC. Circumventing an existing template documentation ''is'' breaking a consensus. It doesn't matter if it is a policy, a guideline, a talk page discussion, or a template documentation. I don't see how this should be accepted ''if'' the consensus here doesn't change.  [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 05:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
-:::What makes you think there is consensus that footnotes are not OK? It's not mentioned at all in the template documentation. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 10:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
-:::This is such an established pattern that, absent something that explicitly forbids it, it has essentially become silent consensus at this point. We can of course arrive at a new consensus forbidding it, but I don't think the EFN usage is "breaking" a consensus so much as slipping through a loophole in the intent. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 15:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
-::::I disagree that it's breaking the intent. I interpret the intent here as to prevent long infoboxes, which the footnote doesn't contribute to. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 17:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
-:::::That's why I think the infobox documentation should be more ''explicit'' about this if there is a consensus for it. [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 03:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
-::::::Agreed [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 05:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''' adding text that prohibits footnotes. Using them seems to be a generally accepted practice. I've never heard a complaint. Ports can be significant, and having the developers footnoted is an easy way to make the information accessible without extending the length of the infobox. Some pages that do this:
-:* [[Chrono Trigger]] (FA)
-:* [[Cave Story]] (FA)
-:* [[Silent Hill 2]] (GA)
-:* [[Halo: Combat Evolved]]
-:* [[Halo 2]] (FA)
-:* [[Half-Life (video game)]] (GA)
-:* [[Killer7]] (FA)
-:* [[Resident Evil 5]] (FA)
-:* [[System Shock]] (FA)
-:* [[Silent Hill 4: The Room]] (FA)
-:* [[Phantasmagoria (video game)]] (FA)
-:[[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 05:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)