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The redirect Kim Un has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 30 § Kim Un until a consensus is reached. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 08:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should mention Biden's indirect sabotage

We should mention that the only reason that negotiations ever broke down was due to Joe Biden and his team choosing to do so. 24.238.34.133 (talk) 11:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Provide any WP:RS that supports that. Mztourist (talk) 11:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 summit

27 out of 109 pictures from the June 2024 summit with Russia off Kremlin.ru have been uploaded to Commons. Perhaps one would be suitable as a new infobox image. NAADAAN (talk) 16:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing any in that set that are the equal of File:Kim Jong-un April 2019 (cropped).jpg, much less superior to it. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image Change

Why can't we just change the infobox image? 125.160.113.65 (talk) 08:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because there is no good reason to do so, pictures of people should not be updated just because more recent pictures exist. Pictures of living people also usually fall under copyright! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 15:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Should we say he's a dictator in the lede? ==
-In other articles for dictators like Hitler and Mussolini, the first sentence states "X was a dictator of _____ from _ to _". They do not use the official title for these leaders, like Fuhrer or Duce, since these titles are self-appointed and are specific, but not as informative as dictator when it comes to describing the absolute authority they held. Kim is indisputably a dictator with absolute power of his country, so shouldn't we also refer to him as a dictator in the first sentence? I think we should. [[User:Woozybydefault|Woozybydefault]] ([[User talk:Woozybydefault|talk]]) 18:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
-:We have discussed this before. He is not "indisputably a dictator". Some scholars question how much power he actually has.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 23:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
-::What scholars? [[User:Woozybydefault|Woozybydefault]] ([[User talk:Woozybydefault|talk]]) 23:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
-:::See, for example, [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/27/kim-jong-un-north-korea-supreme-leader-or-state-puppet].--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 23:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
-:Wouldn't encourage it, no. Better to use specific language regarding concentration of power or the like. [[User:JArthur1984|JArthur1984]] ([[User talk:JArthur1984|talk]]) 00:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
-::He is literally a communist dictator. Why would that not be mentioned. [[User:DanRayy|DanRayy]] ([[User talk:DanRayy|talk]]) 14:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
-:::On arguments about "literally", see the comment and link by Jack Upland above. More broadly, we already have plenty of characterizations which address concentration of power in the lead. We have "supreme leader," "rules" North Korea, "totalitarian", etc. [[User:JArthur1984|JArthur1984]] ([[User talk:JArthur1984|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
-::::{{User:UBX/DGAF3}} [[User:DanRayy|DanRayy]] ([[User talk:DanRayy|talk]]) 14:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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-::::::Don't think Kim gives much of a fuck, either. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
-::::::DanRayy Now blocked, yes (by the way Kim is a dictator). [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 14:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::{{small|And who do you think you are, [[Godwin's law|Adolf]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)}}
-:::::::::Kim is a dictator. It's absurd that this article tries to say otherwise, and also has "Respected Comrade" in the infobox. [[User:DocZach|DocZach]] ([[User talk:DocZach|talk]]) 04:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::::The avoidance is not specific to this article; it's a policy of careful tip-toeing called [[MOS:LABEL]]. Also, "Respected Comrade" is Kim Jong Un's official title. It's not the article or an editor literally calling him a respectable comrade. It's like how in Canada we call our senators "The Honourable". <big>[[User:Yue|<span style="color:#757575; font-family:Consolas, monospace">''Yue''</span>]][[User talk:Yue|🌙]]</big> 06:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::::::Then why doesn't Queen Elizabeth II's article say "Her Majesty", or any of the Supreme Court Justices have "His Honor" or "Her Honor?" [[User:DocZach|DocZach]] ([[User talk:DocZach|talk]]) 08:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::::::[[Elizabeth II]]'s article does say "Head of the Commonwealth" in the same spot in the infobox. [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::::::::I think Wikipedia spends too much time with the various titles bestowed on North Korean leaders, more so than the media of North Korea does, I believe.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 01:39, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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 We should mention that the only reason that negotiations ever broke down was due to Joe Biden and his team choosing to do so. [[Special:Contributions/24.238.34.133|24.238.34.133]] ([[User talk:24.238.34.133|talk]]) 11:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 :Provide any [[WP:RS]] that supports that. [[User:Mztourist|Mztourist]] ([[User talk:Mztourist|talk]]) 11:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
+== 2024 summit ==
+[[commons:Category:Vladimir_Putin_in_North_Korea,_June_2024|27]] out of [http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/trips/74342/photos# 109] pictures from the June 2024 summit with Russia off Kremlin.ru have been uploaded to Commons. Perhaps one would be suitable as a new infobox image. [[User:NAADAAN|NAADAAN]] ([[User talk:NAADAAN|talk]]) 16:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
+:I'm not seeing any in that set that are the equal of [[:File:Kim Jong-un April 2019 (cropped).jpg]], much less superior to it. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 16:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
+::I agree.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 01:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
+== Image Change ==
+Why can't we just change the infobox image? [[Special:Contributions/125.160.113.65|125.160.113.65]] ([[User talk:125.160.113.65|talk]]) 08:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
+:Because there is no good reason to do so, pictures of people should not be updated just because more recent pictures exist. Pictures of living people also usually fall under copyright! [[User:Vif12vf|Vif12vf/Tiberius]] ([[User talk:Vif12vf|talk]]) 15:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)