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== July 2024 ==
== Distuberd by your actions on my updates / Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport ==


[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hi The Banner! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of [[:Rick Stein]] several times without established [[WP:consensus|consensus]]. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the [[WP:Edit warring|edit warring policy]] disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable. This may discourage productive discussion, and come off to fellow wikipedians as [[WP:rude|rude]] or repeated [[WP:vandalism|vandalism]]. Continued reverting may result [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|loss of editing privileges]]. please familiarise yourself with [[WP:civility|civility]] and discuss issues with the article at [[talk:Rick Stein]] before acting further. Thank you <!-- Template:uw-vandalism2 --> [[User:Bejakyo|Bejakyo]] ([[User talk:Bejakyo|talk]]) 15:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
I find it quite DISTURBING that you are:
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:Yes, I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of [[:Rick Stein]] several times without established [[WP:consensus|consensus]]. In fact, there was no consensus to make your changes at all. Up to now, you have provided no proof that Stein in not a Cornish person, despite all arguments delivered by me and the Third Party Editor. So I consider your POV-pushing vandalism. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 15:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- removing current links (I've updated the page with relevant up to date links)
::I have in fact provided multiple sources describing him as english and british, including Rick Stein's own words. Your desicision to ignore both myself and both Third Party editors is not conductive of civility or consensus building, is unfortunately POV-pushing [[wp:edit warring|edit warring]] not inline with the standards of wikipedia [[User:Bejakyo|Bejakyo]] ([[User talk:Bejakyo|talk]]) 15:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- adding "independent" links which funnily enough come from 1 (one) web site only!?
:::You do not seem to understand the difference between being Cornish by birth and being Cornish by long time association. There are even MPs not born in Cornwall considered Cornish due to their long time association.
- consider a 3rd party web site to have more relevant information than the airline company itself - if the company announces a service on it's web page, why do we care about a 3rd party web site, which is relying on the airline information. And why is it just 1 site that you are prioritizing?
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:::But as long as Cornwall is not an independent state, their is no Cornish nationality. Every Cornish man and woman is British, if you like it or not. (Personally, I love to see the UK fall apart.) But Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia, not a place for regional activism. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 16:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Our personal feelings regarding the continued existance of the United Kingdom is mute, and I agree that indeed wikipedia is not a place for such seperatist and unionist activism.
::::There is indeed such thing as a Cornish nationality, and has maintained legal recogntion by the United Kingdom since 2014, putting it along side the nationalities of British, English, Scottish, Welsh, and (Northern/) Irish (the British English use of nationality should not be confused with how other english speakers refer to citizenship of a given state)
::::I'm aware of Cornish by association, as I'm aware of many English-born Cornishmen (those born in England or to English parents, but describe as either Cornish and English or just Cornish), but there is no objective metric beyond consensus how existing media outlets refer to them, and partiuclarly to how the invidual refers to themselves
::::As you should mention Cornish MPs as, I have previously tried to have the new Cornish MPs (including ones who have been born and raised in Cornwall) described as such but to no avail, which I must admit has been frustraiting. [[User:Bejakyo|Bejakyo]] ([[User talk:Bejakyo|talk]]) 16:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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:::::So there are more people not interested in your point of view. [[Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass]] <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 17:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::You had just said that there Cornishmen who are MPs. I responded by saying that I had tried to add that information as such. I thought you had finally decided to engage civil discussion but sadly I had wrong as you're remaining increadibly [[WP:rude]], feel free to drop the stick and back away oneself given your POV-pushing request for page protection was refused due to your edit warring [[User:Bejakyo|Bejakyo]] ([[User talk:Bejakyo|talk]]) 17:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::End of discussion. You are clearly not here to build a neutral encyclopedia. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 18:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


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I am shocked, and honestly, quite disturbed by this fact. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 11:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
:I am not shocked or disturbed by the fact that you are afraid of independent sources. I have seen that too often already. But be advised that the removal of sources is seen as vandalism by a lot of people. Beside that: sources and source requests are not clutter, it is trying to make Wikipedia reliable and verifiable. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 15:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
::As ALL the links you are posting lead to ONE web site ONLY, I am under the impression that you have INTEREST in it.
::In case AN OFFICIAL SOURCE is used, it has move value than what you claim to be an independent source.
::Pls. stop what you are doing, or you will be REPORTED for vandalizing the page. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 06:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::Furtheremore, I have updated several dead links with actual links. For reason known only to you, you have removed those links, and vandalized with dead links.
::For the record. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 06:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:::That exyuaviation-source is a working link. But you preferred to replace that independent source by a related source provided by the marketing department of Air Serbia. Do you work for/on behalf of the airline or the airport? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 08:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links
::::Enough said. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Maybe you should start reading [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]] instead of making baseless claims. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 16:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::This user is adding IRRELEVANT links to the page, and is vandalizing pages in the process:
::::::- 2, 3, 5, 10 years dead links. When adding new, up to date links, the user reverts to non existing content
::::::- adding 1 (ONE) web site as a source. The user claims this to be an independent source, but there seem to be ULTERIOR motives behind this - it's the only guess I can make. [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 07:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::You have nothing more to offer than personal attacks and vandalism? Did you ever read [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]]? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 08:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::(from [[WP:AIV]]) Hi. Looking at [https://www.exyuaviation.com/p/about-ex-yu-aviation-news.html their About page], we're talking about a [[WP:SPS|self-published source]] by someone on the Internet on a [[Blogger_(service)|Blogger]] blog. It is reasonable to argue that an airline's official website is a more reliable source for airline destinations than someone's Blogger blog. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 08:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::[[WP:RS]] and [[WP:V]] are asking for third party sources, not the company website as source. Beside that, the editor claim that the links are dead, what is not the case. But I will see if the edit warring starts again, what was the reason of the prior block. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 09:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::This is not always correct, and both pages use the wording "largely not acceptable" to refer to your currently preferred type of source. [[WP:RS]] contains [[WP:SELFSOURCE]] as an exception that encompasses the official website but not someone else's blog. Regarding the edit warring, it seems you have contributed to it for no good reason. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 09:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::Even so, just removing independent sources is not a good idea. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 09:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! I have been trying to explain to the user that posting links from 1 (one) website only (and which on top is a blog) does not make sense over posting official confirmation from the airline.
:::::::::::Furthermore, the user kept bringing back dead links, even after I replaced them with actual links. I can prove this if necessary (in spite of the users claims to the contrary). [[User:Algoritam1|Algoritam1]] ([[User talk:Algoritam1|talk]]) 12:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::::::It is interesting to see that you claim that links are dead but when I click on them, they work as normal. And no, it is not illegal to use one source for multiple claims. In fact, you were doing the same with the air serbia website. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 13:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{u|Algoritam1}}, the situation is less simple than it may have seemed first. For example, the edit summary of [[Special:Diff/1232608307]] refers to the external links guideline, which is not applicable to the dispute about <em>references</em>, as described in bold text in its introduction. The edit summary of [[Special:Diff/1232531462]] makes an accusation of vandalism, which means intentional damage to the encyclopedia that simply hasn't happened here. [[Special:Diff/1232181570]] seems to remove references that have actually been used for adding content to the page and thus should be mentioned as long as that content is still present, or until a replacement source providing the same information has been found.
::::::::::::If I add "Person X did Y" to an article, citing the [[WP:DAILYMAIL|known-unreliable Daily Mail]] as the source for my claim, then the right response would be removing the entire sentence <em>and</em> the unsuitable reference. Or, if the [[WP:RSP#The_Guardian|known-reliable Guardian]] said the same thing, it would be equally fine to replace the Daily Mail citation by a Guardian citation. Your approach in [[Special:Diff/1232181570]] appears to remove references without actually fixing the problem, only making the problem less visible. It is almost never a good idea to remove bad citations without touching the content taken from them.
::::::::::::You have created a discussion at [[Talk:Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport]], that's a good step. You have discussed a multi-article dispute with at least one user you've been in conflict with; this is also not bad. The [[WP:DR|dispute resolution policy]] contains general advice. As [[WP:EW|edit warring]] is not part of the advice and is disruptive even if you are right, I'm happy to see that it has stopped.
::::::::::::About the "dead links" problem, some links are inaccessible from some countries. I can't access some US websites because they're still afraid of the EU's [[GDPR]], "working" on a solution since 2018. Adding "web.archive.org/save/" in front of the URL sometimes already solves the problem. And if there's a specific link you are referring to, please do say which one(s). [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 14:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::By now, I have replaced a number of links by others, so that at least the argument "all of one site" is not valid any more. And my "ulterior motive" is just to have a reliable encyclopedia, sourced with independent sources. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 16:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


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Information icon Hi The Banner! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Rick Stein several times without established consensus. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable. This may discourage productive discussion, and come off to fellow wikipedians as rude or repeated vandalism. Continued reverting may result loss of editing privileges. please familiarise yourself with civility and discuss issues with the article at talk:Rick Stein before acting further. Thank you Bejakyo (talk) 15:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Rick Stein several times without established consensus. In fact, there was no consensus to make your changes at all. Up to now, you have provided no proof that Stein in not a Cornish person, despite all arguments delivered by me and the Third Party Editor. So I consider your POV-pushing vandalism. The Banner talk 15:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have in fact provided multiple sources describing him as english and british, including Rick Stein's own words. Your desicision to ignore both myself and both Third Party editors is not conductive of civility or consensus building, is unfortunately POV-pushing edit warring not inline with the standards of wikipedia Bejakyo (talk) 15:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You do not seem to understand the difference between being Cornish by birth and being Cornish by long time association. There are even MPs not born in Cornwall considered Cornish due to their long time association.
But as long as Cornwall is not an independent state, their is no Cornish nationality. Every Cornish man and woman is British, if you like it or not. (Personally, I love to see the UK fall apart.) But Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia, not a place for regional activism. The Banner talk 16:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Our personal feelings regarding the continued existance of the United Kingdom is mute, and I agree that indeed wikipedia is not a place for such seperatist and unionist activism.
There is indeed such thing as a Cornish nationality, and has maintained legal recogntion by the United Kingdom since 2014, putting it along side the nationalities of British, English, Scottish, Welsh, and (Northern/) Irish (the British English use of nationality should not be confused with how other english speakers refer to citizenship of a given state)
I'm aware of Cornish by association, as I'm aware of many English-born Cornishmen (those born in England or to English parents, but describe as either Cornish and English or just Cornish), but there is no objective metric beyond consensus how existing media outlets refer to them, and partiuclarly to how the invidual refers to themselves
As you should mention Cornish MPs as, I have previously tried to have the new Cornish MPs (including ones who have been born and raised in Cornwall) described as such but to no avail, which I must admit has been frustraiting. Bejakyo (talk) 16:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So there are more people not interested in your point of view. Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass The Banner talk 17:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You had just said that there Cornishmen who are MPs. I responded by saying that I had tried to add that information as such. I thought you had finally decided to engage civil discussion but sadly I had wrong as you're remaining increadibly WP:rude, feel free to drop the stick and back away oneself given your POV-pushing request for page protection was refused due to your edit warring Bejakyo (talk) 17:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
End of discussion. You are clearly not here to build a neutral encyclopedia. The Banner talk 18:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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