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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC) |
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3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. Janáček's infobox has a list of his compositions, like Bach's, Mozart's, Beethoven's. Schumann had one for years, until one featured article writer {{diff|Robert Schumann|1224290704||removed it}} (and I noticed only after it was too late for a BRD revert and discussion). I am not welcome in the FAC, and another user who noticed was dismissed, but I believe that our readers should not miss a valuable link because one person believes it's a "rotten idea". You may remember that this was mentioned in the Mahler discussion. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC) |
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[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013, including a list of works. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Today is "the day" for [[James Joyce]], also for Bach's [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jun|fourth chorale cantata]] (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Pictured on the Main page: Brian's [[Mozart family grand tour]], my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#9 Jul|story today]], and [[Mozart]] related to all three items of [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music]] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, [[Martti Wallén]], a bass, and [[Liana Isakadze]], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC) |
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New pics of food and flowers come with [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#18 Jun|the story]] of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by [[User:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]]. I nominated [[WP:ITNN#Éric Tappy|Éric Tappy]] because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated [[Tamara Milashkina|another women]] for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. - The attempt by [[User:Wugapodes|Wugapodes]] to get MoS/infoboxes more in line with current usage was closed as no consensus, as you will have seen. It looks like before it could gain consensus, infoboxes would have to stop being regarded as contentious. Until then, we'll live with a MoS that is not in line with current usage, as we have done for the last 10+ years ;) - (I'm writing a bit more to get the image next to the text:) I would prefer if infobox discussions were kept factual. "[[User talk:Dreadstar#Impact|ignore ignore ignore]]", helpful advice by a friend who was desysopped for protecting [[Laurence Olivier]] because of edit-warring over the hidden text about no infobox although he was of course not neutral - is not so easy when you face comments such as in [[Talk:Gustav Mahler]] where I think I made a neutral statement. I mind two things in the responses: being described (which has nothing to do with the question at hand), and (more) the proud statement to have retained the infobox for [[Robert Schumann]] while expanding for FA, when ({{diff|Robert Schumann|1224290704||looking closer, and not obvious}}) it wasn't retained but made almost worthless by removing the link to the list of his compositions. When Brian Boulton came up with a {{diff|Percy Grainger|579193399||compromise "identity box"}} for FA [[Percy Grainger]], it had this list, as suggested in {{tl|infobox classical composer}} in 2010, well before I even knew what an infobox is ;) - Laurence Olivier received an infobox per RfC, as you may remember. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#11 Jul|Today's story]] is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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My [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Jul|story today]] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about [[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]], opera by [[Mozart]], while [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#15 Jul|yesterday's]] was - because of the TFA - about [[Les contes d'Hoffmann]], opera by [[Jacques Offenbach|Offenbach]], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) - I am sad to see you go as an arb who understood me - a rare thing - and I wish you progress in the other position. My two stories illustrate the arb matter a bit, explained [[User talk:Dronebogus#July music|for Dronebogus]], in case of interest. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#26 Jun|the sad story today]] --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#20 Jul|Today's story]] is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially [[View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11]], yesterday's was [[Ruth Hesse|a great mezzo]], and on Thursday [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#17 Jul|we watched a sublime ballerina]]. If that's not enough my talk offers the chamber music from two amazing concerts. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Question == |
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what are the requirements for declaring a Contentious Topic? Thanks for any thoughts. [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 15:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Elinruby}} each arbitrator would have their own standard but generally a pattern of disruption where the normal processes are insufficient to counter. This is often some combination of amount of articles/forums being disrupted and the amount difficulty caused by the disruption. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 15:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thank your for the answer. Last follow-up, I promise: Can this be done by motion or does there need to be a case? And is a request for a case the right thing to file either way? Also, difficulty for whom? [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 21:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::It can be done by motion but often arbs want a full case. A case request would be the right place to go. I would recommend reading the new [[WP:ARBPARTY|Guide to ArbCom]] before filing any request (in this case probably part 2 is the crucial one for what you need to know to be successful). [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 21:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Thank you [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 22:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Thanks == |
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Thanks for your dedication in serving on the arbitration committee. I appreciate the careful consideration given to resolving difficult conflicts. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*Yes, thank you, Barkeep49, for the time and effort you gave to the Arbitration Committee and to the Checkuser crew. I wish you a stressless transition. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 05:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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You recently left a warning on my talk page for offering Saqib some money to accept the page. That was my mistake. I did that out of frustration because I worked on it for months and he rejected it twice. Would it be possible for you to review the draft? [[Draft:Adil Raja]] |
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*In my many years of acting as an arbitrator, I had many esteemed colleagues. There were some who stood head and shoulders above the others, exemplifying everything you'd want from an Arbitrator. Barkeep, you sat at the top of that pile. I am sure you will go on to lead the U4C and go on making a difference to the project, but I just wanted to say thank you for being someone I could trust on the committee. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 10:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Please check it out and tell me if you think it's ready to be submitted. I believe that it's ready and has enough references. Also, could you ensure that Saqib doesn't edit the draft anymore? He seems biased against Adil, as he immediately rejected the draft twice. When I asked him to help me improve the draft, he told me to wait. I waited a whole month, and even then he said he was busy. Things don't add up. Please assist. |
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*I think we appear to disagree more than we actually do, because I never see the point of saying something when I agree with ArbCom. Even when we've disagreed, you're always thoughtful. So I'm sorry to see you leave ArbCom. On the bright side, there's someone I know on this U4C thing; perhaps you'll even be able to explain to not-really-metapedians like me what on God's green earth that actually is, and how it affects en.wiki. At the very least I trust you to guide whatever it is in a rational direction. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Thank you so much! [[User:WarriorYt43|WarriorYt43]] ([[User talk:WarriorYt43|talk]]) 15:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*:@[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] thanks. I hope you'll indulge me two reactions. First, I hopeful that the U4C will not affect you. The U4C should be about helping small/medium projects and being a place for the community more easily and to fix it when a project has gone off the rails. Neither of those are true for enwiki. Helping it be successful in those two things without going beyond that mandate is part of the work I want to do. Second, I'd encourage you to maybe rethink {{tqq|I never see the point of saying something when I agree with ArbCom}} with other arbs you respect. Hearing only negative feedback from editors you like and respect is one of the hardest things about being an arb. It can also impact the actual work done because it becomes harder to figure out when you're genuinely doing something wrong and when complaints should just be ignored as the baseline of upset people that ArbCom encounters. Getting this wrong on either side isn't great ("fixing" things that you needn't fix creates a problem where there was none and not fixing things that should be fixed is obviously bad). Best, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 21:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:WarriorYt43|WarriorYt43]] I know how frustrating it can be to wait for a draft to be reviewed. Unfortunately I am not reviewing drafts at this time and cannot help you. My general advise would be to improve the article based on the suggestions left to you before trying again - often the drafts which are clearly [[WP:N|notable]] (the standard Wikipedia uses about who gets an article) are accepted faster than drafts where notability is more borderline. Good luck with your writing, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 15:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*::Fair enough, and I probably should know better. back in the Dark Ages when I was on ArbCom, I felt the same way. Probably intentionally blocked out the memory of it. |
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::[[User:WarriorYt43|WarriorYt43]], Normally, I don't edit drafts, but I made changes to this one, like cleanup to remove WP:GUNREL sources and WP:OR hoping to get it approved. If I were biased, I would've not even bothered improving the bio. or have simply stopped you from editing this draft because you declared your COI so accusing me of being bias without evidence is unfounded and unhelpful. Just because I declined the draft doesn't mean I'm biased. The draft is on my watchlist, so naturally, I reviewed it and declined because it was not ready. Fwiw, I declined it, not rejected it. Anyway, I won't review it next time you submit it, but I've the right to edit it as I see fit (and I hope @[[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] is cool with that) because we don't allow POV or poorly sourced BLPs.<span id="Saqib:1718732807503:User_talkFTTCLNBarkeep49" class="FTTCmt"> — [[User:Saqib|<span style="color:black">'''Saqib'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Saqib|<span style="color:#3266CC">talk</span>]] I [[Special:Contributions/Saqib|<span style="color:#3266CC">contribs</span>]]) 17:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</span> |
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*::{{green|"I'm hopeful that the U4C will not affect you"}} is exactly what I was hoping to hear. I find it grating when, for example, someone mentions how someone else violated the UCOC at ArbCom or ANI. Well, then they violated an en.wiki policy too. Refering to UCOC makes me nervous that an amorphous "they" are coming for "our" aAbcCm. [[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 21:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I understand your point, and I guess that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying your position and the steps you took to improve the draft. @[[User:Saqib|Saqib]] [[User:WarriorYt43|WarriorYt43]] ([[User talk:WarriorYt43|talk]]) 18:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*:::While it doesn't bother me if someone cites the UCoC, I agree that it would be better if they just cited the applicable enwiki policy or guideline because it's there. It's why I really advocated for this [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Principles#Universal_Code_of_Conduct|principle]]. Best, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 00:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*Thanks for your service, BK49. Even when I've disagreed with you, you've always been thoughtful and careful to explain your reasoning, and I've truly appreciated that. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 20:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*I've just said it at the Arb talk page, but I want to say thanks to you here, too. Just the other day, I laughed out loud on hearing about a children's book called ''The Quacken'' (about a very large duck) and, knowing of your editing interest in children's books, my mind went to you. Best wishes. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== I feel like an ex-arb habitually checks this, but just in case == |
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== I-Ban == |
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{{ygm}} [[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 19:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC) |
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If I recall correctly, you imposed a two-way IBan between me and ElinRuby (ER), and I am addressing the correct person: |
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:Heh. Yeah I pretty regularly checked my email even before arbcoms and am still in the habit. Will get back to you soonish. Best, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 19:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Today, at RSN, I spotted [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Dorchester Review, again|a thread on the reliability of Dorchester Review]], opened by ER. I vaguely remembered a familiarity with the the magazine's name and the topic (Kamploops School grave) and discovered that [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 366#The Dorchester Review|the previous RSN discussion on the issue]] was motivated by [[Talk:Kamloops Indian Residential School/Archive 2#The Dorchester Review|this article-t/p thread]]. Long story short, it was me who had questioned the reliability of the source and initiated the debate. |
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== ''The Signpost'': 22 July 2024 == |
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Now, ER <u>ought to know</u> of the previous RSN discussion on the magazine (the section header goes "Dorchester Review, {{em|again}}", emphasis mine) and my involvement on the narrow locus, but I do not seek any sanction whatsoever and deem this a trivial mistake. Further, [[Kamloops Indian Residential School]] has been significantly edited by me and ER before the IBan but now that ER has significantly edited it after the IBan, I perhaps cannot edit it anymore. Once again, I do not claim any wrongdoing of ER; it is unfeasible for them to check the article-history of all articles they plan to edit, articles might exist where I have been guilty of the same, and the text of IBAN {{tq|{{em|generally}} allows editing the same pages}}. |
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However, I would like to know if there is any way to partake in the current RSN discussion and the article since my involvement — on what is arguably a very narrow locus — predates ER's. I am not pinging ER to avoid breaching the IBan. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 07:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] I didn't impose it (that was Bishonen) but am now the responsible administrator so the result is the same. I think the answer to whether you can participate in the RSN is no because it's clearly a discussion started by ER and so pretty much any reply is going to violate the [[WP:IBAN|IBAN]] rule of {{tq|reply to <the other person> in discussions}}. You have 1 edit to Dorchester review in the last 500 so it's not some great amount of editing. You both edited Kamploops School before the iBan and can after as long as you don't revert each other. Thanks for checking and let me know if you have any follow up questions. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 14:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::That being the case, I am appealing for the IBan to be vacated unless ER wishes for it to stay. |
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::It is quite hilarious that an issue which was first raised by me at the article t/p (and subsequently discussed at RSN) gets raised by ER — of all people — and I do not get to opine. Fwiw, it appears (to me) that I and ER have rather-aligning views on the broader locus though I am unsure about their opinion on the particular RSN question and won't speculate. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 19:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::FYI, @[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]]. In case, you have anything to say. With apologies for the ping, [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 19:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Happy for you to appeal. You need to [[WP:CTOP|demonstrate]] that {{tqq|the action is no longer reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption.}} You can do that with me or you can go directly to one of the community forums to make your appeal. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 00:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I and ER do not edit a common set of articles and, hence, I do not really see the conflicts resuming. In any case, I plan to not engage with ER and ask for a waiver of the IBan ''primarily'' (only-?) to participate in the rare content-dispute threads started by him where I had already partaken earlier. That said, I do not know if ER wishes for the IBan to stay. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 10:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::@[[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] after thinking this over, I think this should get wider feedback, including from ER and I do not want to be singly responsible for policing that interaction, and so I suggest you formally appeal this to a notice board. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 23:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::This was a CT IBan? Where is this to be appealed — AE? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 04:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::I just noticed this thread. Without getting into the merits of the original sanction, which I have previously disputed, there is now and RfC and an ANI thread titled "Riposte97: time sink". I think TB is mistaken about who edited the Kamloops article first but more to the point for the record I have zero, zilch, negative infinity objections to {{u|TrangaBellam}} helping with the denialist disruption that is going on in the residential school articles, and am intelligent enough to accept help that is clearly needed since Riposte97 last I checked was still actively disrupting <s>[[Canadian Indian residential school gravesites]]</s> [[Kamloops Indian Residential School]] even as this has been grinding through RSN and ANI. I am confident that collaboration can take place without unseemly and counterproductive squabbling. Right TB? |
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:::::::<small>that said I would ''really'' appreciate it if you would get my name and gender right. And I dislike ER and would prefer El if you don't want to type All That.</small> |
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:::::::Barkeep, is there such a thing as dropping the i-ban by mutual agreement? TB is right, it did not occur to me to check the history of Dorchester Review at RSN, and I appreciate the graciousness about it. Meanwhile, pending the paperwork (NOTBURO?) if TB wants to chime in on these denialist threads I am starting I absolutely welcome the help. [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 10:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::Thanks, Elinruby; I agree that there will be no counterproductive discourse. So, given our mutual agreement, Barkeep49, are you willing to vacate the I-Ban? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 07:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Ok. Let's try it. I'll strike the log in a moment @[[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] @[[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]]. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 15:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wrongful speedy deletion == |
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I am requesting the reversal of the wrongful speedy deletion of [[2024 Kissena Park sexual assault case]]. As per [[WP:G10]]: |
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<blockquote>Examples of "[[Wikipedia:Attack page|attack pages]]" may include: [[Wikipedia:Libel|libel]], [[Wikipedia:No legal threats|legal threats]], material intended purely to [[Wikipedia:Harassment|harass or intimidate]] a person, or [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biographical material about a living person]]<nowiki/>that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced.</blockquote> |
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The stub created was sourced by ABC, NBC, CNN & the New York Post. It did not contain libel as it was sourced directly from these reliable and prestigious sources. It hadn’t even named the perpetrator in the content of the article yet so you cannot claim that it was targeted - or even claim it was unjustly written given the fact that the case as since swept the media coverage of the Northeastern United States. |
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You could have nominated it for deletion. The misuse of speedy deletion was inappropriate, uncalled for and in violation of Wikipedia policy. [[User:9t5|9t5]] ([[User talk:9t5|talk]]) 22:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:9t5|9t5]] The article when deleted had been nominated by another editor and on my review I found it to meet the criteria for speedy deletion. I see you have re-created the article. In the re-created article you avoided the serious issues that justified the previous deletion, but continued to have violations of the [[WP:BLP|Biographies of Living People]] policy, specifically [[WP:BLPCRIME]] and so I have had to [[WP:revdel|revision delete]] much of your creation. I suggest you review the policy to avoid other issues. In addition I will be alerting you to our [[WP:CT|contentious topic procedures]]. Please let me know if you have any questions about any of this. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 01:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] Your revision was absolutely justified. Other editors keep including the name of the suspect. I am going to revert those edits, and I will keep a close eye on it. I apologize. I thought you were the one who tagged it for speedy deletion. [[User:9t5|9t5]] ([[User talk:9t5|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Christophervincent01 == |
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Hi, I just blocked and tagged {{noping|Threeseven29}} as a sock of Christophervincent01. I didn't tag the master, mainly because I have no idea why he was ArbCom-blocked. Nonetheless, I thought you might like to know.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the alert @[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]]. By tag the master what do you mean? I see that Threeseven29 links back to Christophervincent01. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 15:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::I didn't tag Christophervincent01.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Another heads up. The new account admitted being a sock and left a diatribe on their Talk page. I've revoked TPA.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 22:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 02:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== WikiCup 2024 July newsletter == |
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The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points. |
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The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3: |
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* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Generalissima}} with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 [[WP:FA|featured article]] on [[DeLancey W. Gill]], 11 [[WP:GA|good articles]], 18 [[WP:DYK|did you know]] nominations, and dozens of reviews; |
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* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Skyshifter}} with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on [[Worlds (Porter Robinson album)]] and [[I'm God]], 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations; |
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* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|Sammi Brie}} with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on [[KNXV-TV]], 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and |
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* {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant15|AryKun}} with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on [[Great cuckoo-dove]], with a high number of bonus points from that article. |
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The full scores for round 3 can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2024/Round 3|here]]. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 [[WP:ITN|in the news]] credits, and at least 285 [[WP:DYK|did you know]] credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to [[Wikipedia:featured topics|featured topics]] and [[Wikipedia:good topics|good topics]]. |
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Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed]]. |
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The [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#1 Jul|story is today]] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#22 May|blessed to hear]]. Listen, and perhaps read what [[Alma Mahler]] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#2 Jul|Today's story]] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC) |
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3 July is the birthday of [[Leoš Janáček]], and I'm happy I had [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#3 Jul|a meaningful DYK in 2021]]. It's also the birthday of [[Franz Kafka]], and I uploaded pics from his family's album [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024#27 Jun|seen in Berlin]]. Janáček's infobox has a list of his compositions, like Bach's, Mozart's, Beethoven's. Schumann had one for years, until one featured article writer {{diff|Robert Schumann|1224290704||removed it}} (and I noticed only after it was too late for a BRD revert and discussion). I am not welcome in the FAC, and another user who noticed was dismissed, but I believe that our readers should not miss a valuable link because one person believes it's a "rotten idea". You may remember that this was mentioned in the Mahler discussion. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC) |
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[[Libuše Domanínská]], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, [[Tamara Milashkina]] became GA and [[Lando Bartolini]] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in [[Il tabarro]] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to [[Statue of Liberty|Liberty]]) up to Calaf in [[Turandot]] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of [[User talk:Brianboulton|Brian Boulton]] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013, including a list of works. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Call me a doofus and get it over with lol. [[User:Knitsey|Knitsey]] ([[User talk:Knitsey|talk]]) 19:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:I mean just from the text it would be an attack on Kevin. But yeah we all have our moments... Best, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 20:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC) |
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The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021. It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. Janáček's infobox has a list of his compositions, like Bach's, Mozart's, Beethoven's. Schumann had one for years, until one featured article writer removed it (and I noticed only after it was too late for a BRD revert and discussion). I am not welcome in the FAC, and another user who noticed was dismissed, but I believe that our readers should not miss a valuable link because one person believes it's a "rotten idea". You may remember that this was mentioned in the Mahler discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013, including a list of works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, Martti Wallén, a bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) - I am sad to see you go as an arb who understood me - a rare thing - and I wish you progress in the other position. My two stories illustrate the arb matter a bit, explained for Dronebogus, in case of interest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers the chamber music from two amazing concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks for your dedication in serving on the arbitration committee. I appreciate the careful consideration given to resolving difficult conflicts. isaacl (talk) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you, Barkeep49, for the time and effort you gave to the Arbitration Committee and to the Checkuser crew. I wish you a stressless transition. Liz Read! Talk! 05:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- In my many years of acting as an arbitrator, I had many esteemed colleagues. There were some who stood head and shoulders above the others, exemplifying everything you'd want from an Arbitrator. Barkeep, you sat at the top of that pile. I am sure you will go on to lead the U4C and go on making a difference to the project, but I just wanted to say thank you for being someone I could trust on the committee. WormTT(talk) 10:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think we appear to disagree more than we actually do, because I never see the point of saying something when I agree with ArbCom. Even when we've disagreed, you're always thoughtful. So I'm sorry to see you leave ArbCom. On the bright side, there's someone I know on this U4C thing; perhaps you'll even be able to explain to not-really-metapedians like me what on God's green earth that actually is, and how it affects en.wiki. At the very least I trust you to guide whatever it is in a rational direction. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Floquenbeam thanks. I hope you'll indulge me two reactions. First, I hopeful that the U4C will not affect you. The U4C should be about helping small/medium projects and being a place for the community more easily and to fix it when a project has gone off the rails. Neither of those are true for enwiki. Helping it be successful in those two things without going beyond that mandate is part of the work I want to do. Second, I'd encourage you to maybe rethink
I never see the point of saying something when I agree with ArbCom
with other arbs you respect. Hearing only negative feedback from editors you like and respect is one of the hardest things about being an arb. It can also impact the actual work done because it becomes harder to figure out when you're genuinely doing something wrong and when complaints should just be ignored as the baseline of upset people that ArbCom encounters. Getting this wrong on either side isn't great ("fixing" things that you needn't fix creates a problem where there was none and not fixing things that should be fixed is obviously bad). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)- Fair enough, and I probably should know better. back in the Dark Ages when I was on ArbCom, I felt the same way. Probably intentionally blocked out the memory of it.
- "I'm hopeful that the U4C will not affect you" is exactly what I was hoping to hear. I find it grating when, for example, someone mentions how someone else violated the UCOC at ArbCom or ANI. Well, then they violated an en.wiki policy too. Refering to UCOC makes me nervous that an amorphous "they" are coming for "our" aAbcCm. Floquenbeam (talk) 21:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- While it doesn't bother me if someone cites the UCoC, I agree that it would be better if they just cited the applicable enwiki policy or guideline because it's there. It's why I really advocated for this principle. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Floquenbeam thanks. I hope you'll indulge me two reactions. First, I hopeful that the U4C will not affect you. The U4C should be about helping small/medium projects and being a place for the community more easily and to fix it when a project has gone off the rails. Neither of those are true for enwiki. Helping it be successful in those two things without going beyond that mandate is part of the work I want to do. Second, I'd encourage you to maybe rethink
- Thanks for your service, BK49. Even when I've disagreed with you, you've always been thoughtful and careful to explain your reasoning, and I've truly appreciated that. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've just said it at the Arb talk page, but I want to say thanks to you here, too. Just the other day, I laughed out loud on hearing about a children's book called The Quacken (about a very large duck) and, knowing of your editing interest in children's books, my mind went to you. Best wishes. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
I feel like an ex-arb habitually checks this, but just in case
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It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. at any time by removing the
Floquenbeam (talk) 19:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Heh. Yeah I pretty regularly checked my email even before arbcoms and am still in the habit. Will get back to you soonish. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 22 July 2024
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Call me a doofus and get it over with lol. Knitsey (talk) 19:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I mean just from the text it would be an attack on Kevin. But yeah we all have our moments... Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)