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==What the heck?==
== degree at Yale ==
in 1991 she skipped an interview with the today show and later wrote an article about it in 1982? ms. foster has a time machine? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:24.52.85.139 |24.52.85.139 ]] ([[User talk:24.52.85.139 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.52.85.139 |contribs]]) 12:12, 14 January 2013</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:1982 article is about assassination attempt, not about Today Show cancellation. Reordered paragraph to clarify. [[User:HollywoodCowboy|HollywoodCowboy]] ([[User talk:HollywoodCowboy|talk]]) 19:37, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


<ref>[[Category:]]</ref>Jodie Foster graduated Calhoun College (now Hopper College) at Yale College with a B.A. in Comparative Literature. Note, undergraduates from Yale graduate from both their residential college and Yale college. There are 2 separate ceremonies, and one receives a diploma at each. The Master of each residential college speaks at the ceremony at the residential college. In Foster's case, this person would have been the Reverend David Napier, who was the well-liked Master of Calhoun College(now Hopper College.) I do not have a referenCe for that, but I'm sure Yale, Hopper College, and/or Yale Alumni OrganiZation has those, if anyone cares. What is more important is that I very rarely see Foster's degree correctly described. It's described as English quite often, and here it is described as Literature. The Literature Major (which no longer exists at Yale College,) was a separate major, with separate, different requirements, and many more courses in continental philosophy. While there is some literary criticism in Comparative Literature, there is not much. There was much in The Literature Major. There were few required courses in The Literature Major, and it was truly interdisciplinary. As long as your "focus" was approved, late in your sophomore or early in your junior year, you could take many courses from various departments, as long as you were able to relate them to your focus. So you could take courses in Art History, Archeology, Anthropology, History, English, written texts in various languages or translated from various languages (and if they weren't offered, you could often finagle a tutorial,) etc. Then your senior essay encompasses 1-2 semesters (likely depending on length) and related to your focus. Comparative Literature, on the other hand, required more courses of texts written in the foreign language of the student's choice, in various other disciplines, as well as courses in various disciplines translated from that language. (This was usually only one language, and since Foster was only fluent in French, I assume this is what she used. Although I knew her, we shared no classes, and she was actually at Yale very little, but off acting in films and television after finishing the semester's work early.)
== No source for statement about her self-declaration ==


So, I have seen Foster's major listed as Literature (there wasn't even a major called "Literature" then, and there is not one now; it was named "The Literature Major," and I happen to know as it was my major, as well as the major of several other people more well-known and more intelligent than I.) Nor did Foster major in African-American Studies, as is stated in the Wikipedia article about Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Yes, he was her advisor, and he taught a course in the Women's Studies Department (which has since been renamed twice since it was founded in 1979,) called "African American Women and Their Fictions." So that article merits correction as well.
I see above a bunch of wikipedia editors cobbled together their original research about how Mrs. Foster self describes - writing "Foster has never explicitly identified with any particular sexual orientation" and citing [http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/ellen-page-defends-jodie-foster%E2%80%99s-much-maligned-coming-out-speech090514]. Please review [[WP:OR]], and [[WP:V]]. The source provided does not support the claim made. Please provide sources for possibly defamatory statements like "Foster has never explicitly identified with any particular sexual orientation." [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 21:09, 29 May 2014 (UTC)


https://complit.yale.edu/
PS: Beyond not supporting the statement made, it '''directly contradicts''' it - "...she publicly acknowledged being a lesbian before a worldwide audience." [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 21:20, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
* The crux of the matter, as has been discussed here ''ad nauseum'' is that she has ''never'' "publicly acknowledged being a lesbian", whatever about the GayStarNews' interpretation of what she said - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family: comic sans ms">'''A<font color= "#FF7C0A">l<font color= "#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 22:17, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
* Keyword: "explicitly" - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family: comic sans ms">'''A<font color= "#FF7C0A">l<font color= "#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 22:20, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
:: {{tl|fact}}. The sources I provided disagree. Please provide citations for your possibly defamatory content that she "has never explicitly identified with any particular sexual orientation." Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 23:16, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Hipocrite, the language we arrived at came through consensus. You've pointed out some good points here, so let's find a solution. For example, we could have something like this: "Though several outlets xxx, in Foster's speech she never explicitly used the terms lesbian or gay." - although I'm sure we could find other sources which say exactly what we're claiming, e.g. that Foster has never publically identified as lesbian.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 23:23, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
:::: There are sources that note she did not specifically use the words, so feel free to write something accurate as opposed to something the four of you just made up. The NYTimes article, for instance, discusses the important, or lack thereof, of saying the words. However, stating "Foster has never publically identified as lesbian" is directly contradicted by sources, which state "she publicly acknowledged being a lesbian," "reveals she's gay," or "came out as gay." [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 23:27, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Everyone agrees that you can find thousands of sources that say she came out as a lesbian, but as the RFC above indicates, she hasn't self-identified as such, at least not in that speech. Perhaps it's too strong to say never, but we could certainly say "not in that speech", as sources discuss that.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 23:30, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::: Your RFC was poorly phrased and did not address the question at hand. At no point did I suggest saying "she is a lesbian." I suggested excluding the unsrouced, '''unsourcable''' statement that she "has never publicaly identified as lesbian." There are numerous sources which say she has, and so saying she has not, '''in wikipedia's voice''' is possibly defamatory, just as if we were to write "he has never publicaly identified as straight" in random biographies. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 23:34, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Hold on, now. Someone above agreed that it could be said better. So why not just agree with them to say it better. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 00:48, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::I need to put the glue factory into my contacts. The issue is that we have conflicting information from sources. Most sources have interpreted Foster's words as saying she's lesbian, but we have not a single shred of evidence that she actually said that. All she's said is that she "came out". As discussed ad nauseum in the RfC and other sections, we '''cannot''' specify an identity label based on the systematically biased media (see [[Bisexual erasure]]). We do now know if Foster is lesbian, bi, pansexual, omnisexual, homoromatic, etc. We just know she's not straight. [[User:EvergreenFir|EvergreenFir]] ([[User talk:EvergreenFir|talk]]) 04:08, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::PS - that answer to your "who" is on the talk page. I chose to only list a couple examples in the ref. Do you want more or can I remove that silly tag? [[User:EvergreenFir|EvergreenFir]] ([[User talk:EvergreenFir|talk]]) 04:09, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
I propose to replace
{{quote|Though many news outlets{{who|date=May 2014}} have described Foster as lesbian or gay<ref>For example, {{cite web | url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-501256/Jodie-Foster-comes-emotional-tribute-girlfriend-14-years.html | title=Jodie Foster comes out with emotional tribute to her girlfriend of 14 years | date=12 December 2007 | accessdate=12 May 2014 }} and {{cite web | url=http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/01/14/jodie-foster-reveals-gay-suggests-retiring/ | title=Jodie Foster reveals she's gay, suggests she's retiring | date=14 January 2013 | accessdate=12 May 2014}}</ref> and she acknowledged [[coming out]] in a speech at the [[70th Golden Globe Awards]],<ref name="APCL">{{cite news|url=http://seattletimes.com/html/entertainment/2020128429_apusgoldenglobesjodiefoster.html|title=Foster reveals she's gay, suggests she's retiring|author=Christy Lemire|date=January 14, 2013|accessdate=April 26, 2014|agency=[[Associated Press]]}}</ref><ref name="UPI.com">{{cite news|url=http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/Movies/2013/01/13/Actress-director-Jodie-Foster-comes-out-as-gay-at-Globes/UPI-22611358133629/|title=Actress-director Jodie Foster publicly comes out as gay at Globes|date=January 13, 2013|accessdate=January 14, 2013|agency=[[United Press International]]}}</ref><ref name="ABCNews">{{cite web|url=http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/01/full-transcript-jodie-fosters-golden-globes-speech/|title=Jodie Foster's Golden Globes Speech: Full Transcript|author=|date=January 13, 2013|accessdate=January 14, 2013|publisher=[[ABC News]]}}</ref><ref name="Fischoff">{{Citation |last=Fischoff |first=Stuart |date=23 January 2013 |title=Jodie Foster: To Come Out Lesbian Or Let Sleeping Rumors Lie |publisher=''[[Psychology Today]]'' |url=http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-media-zone/201301/jodie-foster-come-out-lesbian-or-let-sleeping-rumors-lie |accessdate=25 April 2014 }}</ref> she didn't use the words "gay" or "lesbian" in her speech.<ref name="gaystarnews">{{cite web | url=http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/ellen-page-defends-jodie-foster%E2%80%99s-much-maligned-coming-out-speech090514 | title=Ellen Page defends Jodie Foster’s much maligned coming out speech| date=09 May 2014 | accessdate=12 May 2014 | author=Hernandez, Greg}}</ref> Foster broke up with her long-time partner, movie producer Cydney Bernard, in 2008. They had been together since 1993.<ref>{{cite news|title=Cydney Bernard: Who Is Jodie Foster's Former Partner?|url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/cydney-bernard-jodie-foster_n_2472685.html|work=The Huffington Post|date=January 14, 2013}}</ref> Foster also thanked Mel Gibson as one of the people who "saved" her.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9812965/Jodie-Foster-Shes-come-out-as-rather-confused.html|title=Jodie Foster: She’s come out as rather confused|first=William|last=Langley|date=January 20, 2013|accessdate=January 25, 2013|work=[[The Daily Telegraph]]}}</ref> In April 2014, Foster [[Same-sex_marriage#United_States|married]] actress and photographer [[Alexandra Hedison]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.people.com/article/jodie-foster-marries-alexandra-hedison |title=Jodie Foster Is Married! |date=April 23, 2014 |accessdate=April 23, 2014 |publisher=People.com |first=Michele |last=Corriston}}</ref><ref >{{Cite web |url=http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-27136270 |title=Actress Jodie Foster marries girlfriend |date=24 April 2014 |journal=[[BBC News Online]] }}</ref>}}
by:
{{quote|In 2013, in a speech at the [[70th Golden Globe Awards]], Foster [[coming out|came out]] without revealing much of her private life apart from being ''single'' after her relationship with movie producer Cydney Bernard had ended.<ref name="APCL">{{cite news|url=http://seattletimes.com/html/entertainment/2020128429_apusgoldenglobesjodiefoster.html|title=Foster reveals she's gay, suggests she's retiring|author=Christy Lemire|date=January 14, 2013|accessdate=April 26, 2014|agency=[[Associated Press]]}}</ref><ref name="UPI.com">{{cite news|url=http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/Movies/2013/01/13/Actress-director-Jodie-Foster-comes-out-as-gay-at-Globes/UPI-22611358133629/|title=Actress-director Jodie Foster publicly comes out as gay at Globes|date=January 13, 2013|accessdate=January 14, 2013|agency=[[United Press International]]}}</ref><ref name="ABCNews">{{cite web|url=http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/01/full-transcript-jodie-fosters-golden-globes-speech/|title=Jodie Foster's Golden Globes Speech: Full Transcript|author=|date=January 13, 2013|accessdate=January 14, 2013|publisher=[[ABC News]]}}</ref><ref name="Fischoff">{{Citation |last=Fischoff |first=Stuart |date=23 January 2013 |title=Jodie Foster: To Come Out Lesbian Or Let Sleeping Rumors Lie |publisher=''[[Psychology Today]]'' |url=http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-media-zone/201301/jodie-foster-come-out-lesbian-or-let-sleeping-rumors-lie |accessdate=25 April 2014 }}</ref><ref name="gaystarnews">{{cite web | url=http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/ellen-page-defends-jodie-foster%E2%80%99s-much-maligned-coming-out-speech090514 | title=Ellen Page defends Jodie Foster’s much maligned coming out speech| date=9 May 2014 | accessdate=12 May 2014 | author=Hernandez, Greg}}</ref> The relation with Bernard started in 1993, and ended in 2008.<ref>{{cite news|title=Cydney Bernard: Who Is Jodie Foster's Former Partner?|url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/cydney-bernard-jodie-foster_n_2472685.html|work=The Huffington Post|date=January 14, 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-501256/Jodie-Foster-comes-emotional-tribute-girlfriend-14-years.html | title=Jodie Foster comes out with emotional tribute to her girlfriend of 14 years | date=12 December 2007 | accessdate=12 May 2014 }}</ref> In April 2014, Foster [[Same-sex marriage#United States|married]] actress and photographer [[Alexandra Hedison]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.people.com/article/jodie-foster-marries-alexandra-hedison |title=Jodie Foster Is Married! |date=April 23, 2014 |accessdate=April 23, 2014 |publisher=People.com |first=Michele |last=Corriston}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-27136270 |title=Actress Jodie Foster marries girlfriend |date=24 April 2014 |journal=[[BBC News Online]] }}</ref>}}
After which the OR tag can be removed.


Reason: let's not indulge in trivia too much. The speech was 6 (or was it 8?) minutes of her life. Not something to elaborate in such depth. The links to the media reports and the full transcript of the speech are provided in the references. But doesn't need more attention than what she actually wanted to reveal in connection to her private life.


Foster is mentioned as a "famous comparatist" in this blurb from The Department of Comparative Literature at Indiana U.
Further, I don't think Wikipedia should report "the cyclone destroyed one village, ''but not two other villages in the same state''" kind of news. Leave the non-event part to the press. --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 06:42, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


https://comparativeliterature.indiana.edu/undergraduate/whycomplit.shtml
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Elaborating on ''non-event'' issues I might give this example:

[[Duncan Grant]] made paintings for the [[RMS Queen Mary]]. The paintings were rejected,
* For the article on the ''ship'' this is a non-event, so not mentioned there;
* For the ''painter'' this was a turning point in his career, so mentioned in his biographical article.

Similary, in her coming out speech Foster did not mention anything about her stance on LGBT issues, nor on her personal flavour of LGBT-ness (she didn't even say she was not going to tell anything about it, she just said nothing about it):
* For her biography a ''non-event'' (we don't base biographies on what the subjects "didn't" do);
* Celebrities coming out without endorsing wider LGBT issues is a topic that might be treated in [[LGBT studies]], no problem to name Foster as an example there, if backed up with sufficient reliable sources (of course, sources that demonstrate it ''is'' a LGBT topic and that Foster is a notable example). --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 09:00, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
::Non-event in her [[biography]]? [http://www.biography.com/people/jodie-foster-9299556#awesm=~oGiTGWJZyV6mh0 Not, really]. [http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/64402%7C0/Jodie-Foster/ No]. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]]. ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 10:03, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Tx for proving my point, neither of these two biographies mentions {{brown|she didn't use the words "gay" or "lesbian" in her speech}}, nor any information formatted in a "she ''didn't''..." or "what didn't happen..." ''non-event''-like style (hence the OR being discussed here). As you will see that's the difference between the current paragraph and what I proposed (both versions quoted above): describe the [[coming out]], avoid describing the non-events. --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 11:44, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
::::This is delicate, since a number of sources just said "She came out as gay" or "She came out as lesbian", but other sources note that she only sorta came out, and didn't mention gay or lesbian. Thus, I think the clarification is important for the reader.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 13:07, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::<s>None of the sources say "she '''didn't''' (whatever she didn't do or say)".
:::::So we have no source for {{brown|she didn't use the words (whatever words she didn't use) in her speech}}.
:::::Nothing delicate about it, just no sources.
:::::Apart from that,</s> bad ''style'' for a biography. That's my point.
:::::<s>The version I proposed above says "...she came out..." (confirmed by all sources, and avoiding all discussions about the actual words she used, so no OR)</s> --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 13:31, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::But we DO have sources Francis - for example, this one: [http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/ellen-page-defends-jodie-foster%E2%80%99s-much-maligned-coming-out-speech090514] "Foster never said the word 'gay' or 'lesbian' in her speech giving fuel to those already critical of the two-time Oscar winner for not coming out earlier." There are plenty of other sources which discussed the ambivalence. Finally, I think calling it a "coming out" is also potentially wrong, again even if sources call it that, as Foster claims in her speech that she came out long ago.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 14:07, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::(ec) was just in the process of rephrasing, I realised that.
:::::::What I wanted to say:
:::::::No biography does "she '''didn't''' (whatever she didn't do or say)".
:::::::So, bad ''style'' for a biography. That's my point. --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 13:31, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Further on Obi's last comment: [[WP:NOR]] 0.0: don't ''interpret'' primary sources, say what ''secondary sources'' have to report on them. --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 14:18, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::::NOR also says "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." That's why I've called for simply stating that she addressed her sexuality, and give the quote, and note that she mentioned her longtime partner who is female.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 14:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::So the version I proposed above is fine with you? You're also in favour of not elaborating on what she didn't address herself? --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 14:27, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::Consensus is also about compromise, and we must realize Jodie Foster's sexuality has been a battleground and subject of discussion for literally years, so I think if we go a bit overboard in clarifying here what was and wasn't said, that is not untoward. Look at the huge disputes all over the wiki on whether she's put into LGBT categories or not. As far as the broader world is concerned, Foster is a lesbian, but she had a chance during her speech and yet never said it - instead she made a joke/admission "I am single", and then said that she had already come out long ago, and that she wasn't going to give a coming out speech. It seemed all very spur of the moment if you watch it, it seemed mostly ad-libbed, but if sources have misrepresented what she said (eg that which we can hear with our own ears) we should not perpetuate that even if the sources are all singing the same song. THis is why, for example, there was strong consensus to not call her a lesbian, nor to put her in lesbian categories, since while it may be obvious that she's not straight, it's not obvious what she does identify as. Hence, the desire by some here, which I completely understand, to highlight the fact that she didn't specify her sexuality. capturing this nuance is extremely tricky, but I'm confident we can get there.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 14:38, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::Reception history, that's the word, not ==Personal life==. For all we know the Bush murder attempt had more significance on her ''personal life'' than any of the reports on her speech. So, definitely keep the "discussion in the media" out of the personal life section. See also what I wrote above regarding the reception in the LGBT community: non-event for Foster, *maybe* noteworthy in LGBT context.
:::::::::::As far as reception history is concerned in the Foster article, her achievements in the film industry are what this is all about (oscars and the like). The reception of her little speech is no more than a footnote. Literally, in the footnotes. --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] ([[User talk:Francis Schonken|talk]]) 15:04, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
'''What rubbish. She is MARRIED to a woman. QED[[Special:Contributions/216.96.77.80|216.96.77.80]] ([[User talk:216.96.77.80|talk]]) 23:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

==Adding section about Hinckley to 'Personal life' section?==
Would anyone be against me moving the information about the Hinckley case to the "Personal life"-section as a subsection? The bit about her relationships, sexual orientation and children could be named something like "Relationships and family". My reasoning for this is that while the Hinckley case certainly was 'a bigger deal' than your 'ordinary' celebrity stalker case, it was still very much something that affected Foster's personal life rather than her career, and having an entire section dedicated just for that seems a little odd. Also, what are your opinions on maybe renaming the section? In my ear, "fan obsession" is too broad a term – you could call any teenaged fan of a pop star who plasters their room with their idol's pictures and screams at their gigs 'obsessed'. Given that we are here talking about very serious crimes and acts committed by severely mentally ill people rather than actual fans, I think another term would be more suitable. [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 11:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
:"...rather than ACTUAL fans..." ?? Oh, my. Please point me in the direction of the "authorized true fan license bureau". I forgot fans can't be ill nor commit crimes, how could I?! Also, please cite the sources for your claim that the incident affected her personal life more than her career.[[Special:Contributions/216.96.77.80|216.96.77.80]] ([[User talk:216.96.77.80|talk]]) 23:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

== Contradiction? ==


Currently, in the '''Religious views''' section, we have this: "Foster is an atheist. She has stated she has "great respect for all religions" and spends "a lot of time studying divine texts, whether it's Eastern religion or Western religion." She and her children celebrate both Christmas and Hanukkah." " (I deleted the footnote markers.) To my mind this doesn't make sense. Someone like that would be described as an agnostic, as it doesn't make sense for an atheist to "[study] divine texts." And why celebrate Christmas and Hanukkah? __[[Special:Contributions/209.179.54.78|209.179.54.78]] ([[User talk:209.179.54.78|talk]]) 03:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

:Read the [[Atheism]] article for the different aspects of atheism. And as [https://www.google.com/search?q=Atheists+celebrate+Christmas&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 this] Google search shows, many atheists celebrate Christmas or other religious holidays. Also see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VANzOYW6CxQ this YouTube] video ("Do Atheists Celebrate Christmas?") that turns up in that Google search. And, yes, some atheists debate these aspects among themselves and with religious people. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 03:51, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
::Further, atheists on average know more about religion (and I assume thus have studied it more) than other religious groups. But if she self-identifies as atheist, then that's what we put in the article. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] <small>Please &#123;&#123;[[Template:re|re]]&#125;&#125;</small> 03:55, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

:::I know people change the meaning of words (look at how nobody understands the correct use of the term "begs the question"), but in the old days atheists denied the existence of God. If they wavered on that they were agnostics. While I understand the notion of self declaration, calling yourself something doesn't necessarily make it so. To me the idea of an atheist (not an agnostic) studying religious texts is like Pat Robertson reading ''Why Darwin Is Completely Right And Genesis Completely Wrong''. But thanks for responding. __[[Special:Contributions/209.179.13.208|209.179.13.208]] ([[User talk:209.179.13.208|talk]]) 03:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

::::An atheist greatly respecting religions, studying religious texts and/or celebrating a religious holiday does not mean that the atheist believes in [[God]] or any [[deity]]. That's the point of my "03:51, 24 February 2015 (UTC)" post above. Did you even bother reading the Atheism article, looking at sources that the Google search points to, and/or watching that YouTube video? [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 03:34, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
:The correct response to the OP is: We suggest you read more about the variety of athiestic world views. Perhaps then it will make sense to you - or did you have a specific concern? An athiest is a non-theist. That is, they do not believe in the existence of an entity or entities regarded as "god(s)". It does not necessarily mean they don't believe in the supernatural, and I can't imagine how someone can think that study of ANY books or subjects requires "belief" in the relevant subject. It is a simple (and obvious) non-sequitur.[[Special:Contributions/216.96.77.80|216.96.77.80]] ([[User talk:216.96.77.80|talk]]) 00:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

== Overhaul ==

I'm planning on overhauling this article, as I think Foster deserves a more detailed one given that her career has spanned more than five decades and includes several classic films. My intention isn't to make any radical changes in terms of layout, but rather to add more information about different stages of her career, as well as better sources. If there's any editor who'd be interested in collaborating, please don't hesitate to contact me! [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 16:44, 26 September 2015 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3

== Confused about her family ==

The article has left me confused about her family. The article states that she has her kids from her relationship with Bernard, but I kinda doubt it was the same way as within a straight relationship. If she got her kids through adoptation, I think the article should mention it. --[[Special:Contributions/2003:71:4E3F:3382:184:B6C:7C10:9401|2003:71:4E3F:3382:184:B6C:7C10:9401]] ([[User talk:2003:71:4E3F:3382:184:B6C:7C10:9401|talk]]) 06:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:As far as I know, she has refused to talk about this subject in public. It is known that she gave birth to both children and that Bernard them adopted them, but that's all. [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 09:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
::Well, that information alone that they're her biological kids would help clear up the confusion if it can be sourced, even if the father is not known. --[[Special:Contributions/2003:71:4E3F:3300:9D1A:9A7C:74E3:8B46|2003:71:4E3F:3300:9D1A:9A7C:74E3:8B46]] ([[User talk:2003:71:4E3F:3300:9D1A:9A7C:74E3:8B46|talk]]) 18:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== Revision of 'Early life and education' needed? ==

In this section, there is plenty of info about her father his ancestors (going as far back as the Mayflower), his roots, previous marriage and career. It then states that Foster's parents' 'marriage ended before Foster was born, and she never established a relationship with her father.' As such, why do we have so much information about him? Is it at all relevant if she had nothing to do with him? Wouldn't it be better to focus on her mother, with whom she did have a relationship?

I've not edited this; there's a lot of correctly referenced info in there, which makes me wonder if this is relevant for a reason I've overlooked. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:1811:B605:4E00:24E4:50DC:366:7E59|2A02:1811:B605:4E00:24E4:50DC:366:7E59]] ([[User talk:2A02:1811:B605:4E00:24E4:50DC:366:7E59|talk]]) 10:16, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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degree at Yale

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[1]Jodie Foster graduated Calhoun College (now Hopper College) at Yale College with a B.A. in Comparative Literature. Note, undergraduates from Yale graduate from both their residential college and Yale college. There are 2 separate ceremonies, and one receives a diploma at each. The Master of each residential college speaks at the ceremony at the residential college. In Foster's case, this person would have been the Reverend David Napier, who was the well-liked Master of Calhoun College(now Hopper College.) I do not have a referenCe for that, but I'm sure Yale, Hopper College, and/or Yale Alumni OrganiZation has those, if anyone cares. What is more important is that I very rarely see Foster's degree correctly described. It's described as English quite often, and here it is described as Literature. The Literature Major (which no longer exists at Yale College,) was a separate major, with separate, different requirements, and many more courses in continental philosophy. While there is some literary criticism in Comparative Literature, there is not much. There was much in The Literature Major. There were few required courses in The Literature Major, and it was truly interdisciplinary. As long as your "focus" was approved, late in your sophomore or early in your junior year, you could take many courses from various departments, as long as you were able to relate them to your focus. So you could take courses in Art History, Archeology, Anthropology, History, English, written texts in various languages or translated from various languages (and if they weren't offered, you could often finagle a tutorial,) etc. Then your senior essay encompasses 1-2 semesters (likely depending on length) and related to your focus. Comparative Literature, on the other hand, required more courses of texts written in the foreign language of the student's choice, in various other disciplines, as well as courses in various disciplines translated from that language. (This was usually only one language, and since Foster was only fluent in French, I assume this is what she used. Although I knew her, we shared no classes, and she was actually at Yale very little, but off acting in films and television after finishing the semester's work early.)

So, I have seen Foster's major listed as Literature (there wasn't even a major called "Literature" then, and there is not one now; it was named "The Literature Major," and I happen to know as it was my major, as well as the major of several other people more well-known and more intelligent than I.) Nor did Foster major in African-American Studies, as is stated in the Wikipedia article about Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Yes, he was her advisor, and he taught a course in the Women's Studies Department (which has since been renamed twice since it was founded in 1979,) called "African American Women and Their Fictions." So that article merits correction as well.

https://complit.yale.edu/


Foster is mentioned as a "famous comparatist" in this blurb from The Department of Comparative Literature at Indiana U.

https://comparativeliterature.indiana.edu/undergraduate/whycomplit.shtml

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