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Regarding your question on WP:AN, if you see an inappropriate page that meets one of the criteria for speedy deletion, you can add an appropriate tag to it to alert an administrator. For example, if the page is patent nonsense, add {{db-nonsense}} to the page or if it is a vanity page, add {{db-a7}}. --BigDT (416) 13:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, one of the hallmarks of Wikipedia is the capability for new users to participate in the creation and editing of content here. That open source nature creates an open and welcoming environment for creativity and development. A side effect of that is that there are many who would abuse that system. Hence the capability of users to revert vandalism and to report said vandalism to the administrators. Perpetual abusers may and in many cases will have their posting privileges curtailed or revoked. --Mhking 13:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No worries; and who knows, TPTB may be working on such an enhancement as we speak. But for now, this method works well. --Mhking 14:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. I really apperciate it... --Mhking 17:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move of Transmutation

Thanks for the move - the DAB page is up and running. Cheers! PaladinWhite 16:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to Industrial Revolution

Can you please leave the changes made - the revert you made, changing the text back to "the Industrial Revolution is closely linked to a small number of innovations, made between in the second half of the 18th century" doesn't even make grammatical sense, and the Lunar Society is a very valid see also. Please don't revert again, Thanks, SFC9394 20:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. I thought I was changing to the grammatical version. The Lunar Society is mentioned in the article, but I don't think it's important enough to the topic to be linked again (are there any standards on that?). The way, the truth, and the light 20:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I think it is useful as a see also (some readers might not read all of the article) and the LS is fairly influential - certainly as a nice representation of the transfer of knowledge and power to a new class of people. SFC9394 20:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please use the history summary correctly

I didn't post an external link, let alone one to any website I maintain. I was moving something to the talk page done by somebody else. WP: Assume good faith, and good luck in your ongoing learning process. Cheers, ParvatiBai 18:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see what you did now. Sorry. That link still doesn't belong, though. The way, the truth, and the light 20:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quick note

Thanks for all your work reverting vandalism. Please remember to substitute when adding warnings to talk pages. Example: {{subst:uw-vandalism1}}. Without doing so (as here) it causes drain on the server load. Thanks. IrishGuy ^talk 16:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My publication list

If you have questions about my credentials, please see my publication list. Would you care to show me your publication list? Dr. Submillimeter 19:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never questioned your credentials. This has nothing to do with our discussion. The way, the truth, and the light 19:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you said at User talk:Irishguy that "I think this matter can only be decided by persons with knowledge in astronomy." I would say that I have a lot of professional knowledge in astronomy. Do you have any professional knowledge of astronomy? I honestly would like to see your credentials. Dr. Submillimeter 19:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am not a professional astronomer; yes, I knew you were even before this message. I meant a general knowledge; enough to understand this issue, which hardly requires professional skill. The way, the truth, and the light 19:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since you appparently lack professional astronomy experience and since you are clearly not familiar with professional astronomy references, I would suggest that you rely on the recommendations of professional astronomers like me regarding references. Don't you agree? Dr. Submillimeter 21:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wikipedia is not an academic journal. I simply can't understand why you think providing accurate information about a widely used alternate name is bad. The way, the truth, and the light 21:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia relies on referenced information from reliable references. You have not provided any reliable references for your information, and you cannot simply state that something is common knowledge. Wikipedia does not work this way. I suggest reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources for more information.

In the past, Wikipedia had problems with obscure websites giving strange names for various astronomical objects (see this website, for example, which lists things such as the "Vacuum Cleaner Galaxy"). Therefore, we have decided to use professional resources that give reliable names for these astronomical objects. If you really want to, you could discuss the issue at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Astronomical objects, although if you look through the archives, you will see why we decided to use the professional astronomy resources and not just random websites from the web. Dr. Submillimeter 10:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That site is not obscure, it is one of the most widely used sites about astronomical objects. Your example of 'Vacuum Cleaner Galaxy' is irrelevant - the site only lists it under 'Propositions for further names', and indeed there are almost no relevant Google hits save for that site itself.

All further discussion should be on Talk:Triangulum Galaxy, not here. The way, the truth, and the light 16:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

new articles

Please stop creating "dummy articles". If you have a grand plan for the layout of articles within Catholicism, please garner some level of consensus within the community first. IrishGuy ^talk 01:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see what harm it does having the 'dummy articles'. Anyway, I want to use the dummy articles' talk pages to discuss it. The way, the truth, and the light 01:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have recreated them multiple times. Stop. Garner consensus on Catholicism and/or Roman Catholic Church, not on the talk page of an article nobody knows exists. IrishGuy ^talk 01:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orbit redirect

OK, sorry for jumping the gun! I've placed a fuller apology at User talk:Nandesuka, where my (confused) remarks were initially made. Secondarily, I have also restored the Orbit redirect to point to the celestial mechanics article. I'll put fuller reasoning for the necesssity of that on the Discussion page there. (Sdsds - Talk) 21:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Civility

Comments like this are wildly inappropriate. Please read WP:CIV. IrishGuy ^talk 01:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nuclear transmutation

[1] Why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JWB (talk • contribs) 08:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It's doesn't belong in that article - no context. It belongs with a discussion of reprocessing nuclear fuel. The way, the truth, and the light 18:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is exactly the same as and more concise than the rest of that section, which covers transmutation of actinides and also discusses fission products, both of which are also part of reprocessing/treating used nuclear fuel. --JWB 22:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The previous paragraph talks about transmutation of actinides. Tc-99 and I-129 are not actinides, and I don't know what that sentence is supposed to mean. Anyway, probably the whole section starting with === Overview === should be moved to another article, as it describes a specific process of reprocessing fuel. The way, the truth, and the light 22:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Transmutation is a potential means of disposal for any radioactive isotope, whether fission product, neutron capture product of fuel (minor actinides), or neutron capture product of other reactor structures. The overview sentence should state that. On examining the pros and cons for each individual nuclide (as in the link I provide), you find that transmutation by neutron capture is very valuable for actinide disposal (at least if you can use a fast reactor or accelerator instead of a thermal reactor), but is less useful for most individual fission products, because of low absorption cross-section, short decay half-life, or both. This analysis is the basic thing to understand about transmutation of nuclear waste, and belongs here. (I do not currently have analysis for the third category, activation products, though most likely they behave similarly to fission products.)

I also think it is a bit weird to have neutron treatment of reactor waste in the same article as alchemy, when the connection is little more than the word "transmutation". However "transmutation" is in fact the word used by nuclear scientists and engineers to describe the process. (let me know if you need cites) And the article is titled "Nuclear transmutation", so it makes sense to concentrate on nuclear processes. The only uses currently projected for nuclear transmutation relate to nuclear fuel (making gold out of lead, etc. are uneconomic) and talking about nuclear fuel transmutation is right on topic. --JWB 00:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Takes a look at what I have now - I put your addition back in, and reorganised the material. I still think you should find a different article for the stuff about nuclear waste, but this is better. The way, the truth, and the light 00:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks, I will work on it more and keep an eye out for terminology and article divisions that make sense. Just for reference, another place the topic is discussed is Nuclear_waste#Transmutation but that appears to have less information than here.

What does the stuff about medieval alchemy and philosopher's stone have to do with nuclear transmutation (the article title)? Nuclear is strictly 20th century. --JWB 00:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Compromise proposal at Talk:Triangulum Galaxy#Compromise proposal

I have suggested a compromise proposal at Talk:Triangulum Galaxy#Compromise proposal. I have also asked for additional commentary from User:Irishguy and Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Astronomical objects. If necessary, I will seek assistance from Wikipedia:Mediation. Dr. Submillimeter 10:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hello

When I posted the pictures up there, i realized they would probably be removed. But why add the gay pictures The pictures I put were ok, you replaced them with gay ones. I think the right way to go is to find female photos which are nonporno. All.ya.little.triksters 23:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't post the 'gay' pictures; I simply reverted your addition. If pornography is not the purpose; why should we care what gender they are? The way, the truth, and the light 23:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arctic and global warming.

This article needs some reference to global warming and the predicted changes that will come about in the region. This will not be easy, since there is a wide variation in the estimates of what is going to happen, and User:Manchurian candidate's contribution is, as you say, pretty insubstantial. However, it would be much better to cooperate with him/her and invite improvements rather than seeking to squelch the new section. If push came to shove, the addition been sought is not un-encyclopaedic, and it's your reverting of his additions that might appear to be disruptive. There can be little doubt that many visitors will come to the Arctic article expecting to find information on the predicted effects of climate change there. I have posted much the same comment at the Administrator's noticeboard at [2]. PalestineRemembered 13:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Three revert rule block

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule on List of pseudosciences and pseudoscientific concepts. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

Sam Blacketer 11:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit at 03:56 UTC reverted to the version of 23:17, 11 May 2007, and was your first revert; the second was at 04:12, the third at 06:09, and the fourth block-triggering revert was at 07:27. This is exactly as reported by Simoes: you had been revert warring and broken the 3RR. Sam Blacketer 11:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly. His report stated that 'several users had objected'. I don't consider it an objection unless the user takes the time to post on the talk page. No one else had supported him there. The way, the truth, and the light 12:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

The way, the truth, and the light (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I only made 3 reverts. In any event, User:Simoes continues to lie.

Decline reason:

reason —you deleted the same text four times: someone had put it in so its four reverts. You did produce arguments and the delete looks pretty valid to me but that's not the point. The point is you should stop before reverting a fourth time and wait for someone else to take up your point of view BozMo talk 11:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

No one else cares about the truth enough to support me, that's obvious. 2 users explictly supported me on the talk page, and you just did, but none actually made the edits. In contrast User:Simoes can get User:Shot info to do hit-and-run editing for him, as they're both part of a clique that only wants to score points against pseudoscientists and doesn't mind disrupting pages to do it.

In any case, my first 'revert' was for the purpose of removing the previous user's questionable edits, and only incidentally removed the disputed stuff (which had been added 3 days before). That really shouldn't count. The way, the truth, and the light 12:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can be sure that I know exactly what the edits were. Hmm. I find it difficult to get motivated to watch a page which looks a bit pointless to me but I will put it on my watchlist. --BozMo talk 13:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

The way, the truth, and the light (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I don't need to be blocked any longer; I'm not going to edit the disputed page again today, anyway. The fact that User:Simoes has not responded on his talk page proves that he acted in bad faith, and continuing my block would only further his lies and harassment.

Decline reason:

Three reverts is not an absolute entitlement; the purpose is to prevent revert-warring. Your actions violate the spirit of the law (and, for that matter, the letter). If you have no plans to edit again before the block expires, unblocking is moot in any case. The block will expire shortly; in the future, please discuss, seek consensus, or pursue dispute resolution rather than edit-warring. Continuing to edit-war after the block expires will end up resulting in a longer block. — MastCell ^Talk 03:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This admin is obviously taking his side. You blame me entirely for the 'revert war' and, worse, misunderstand that I requested unblocking not to edit the disputed page but to edit other pages. I make many edits to Wikipedia other than this and it's ridiculous to block me from all of Wikipedia for this stupid argument. The way, the truth, and the light 03:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Further, you repeat User:Simoes's lies that I have not attempted to discuss the issue, or that a consensus exists against me. You fail to realize, or ignore, that he has not been willing to discuss for the past few days, as I pointed out. The way, the truth, and the light 06:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finally I can't discuss it if I remain blocked! The way, the truth, and the light 06:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

The way, the truth, and the light (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

See above. The previous admin is obviously biased against me.

Decline reason:

Crying admin bias is not a good way to get unblocked, but repeatedly adding{{unblock}} to your talk page is a good way to get it protected. — John Reaves (talk) 07:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

The way, the truth, and the light 06:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it would seem to be that bias by one admin is the major reason to believe that a block was unjustified (which is supposed to be why an unblock is warranted), other than simple mistake of fact (which should be rare). I suppose I can add you to that classification, since you refused to look at any of my arguments. Note that I did not accuse bias on the part of the first two admins, since they did not seem to be - but I guess you simply want to believe that I'm just whining and am solely motivated by a desire to continue reverting. It's simpler that way, isn't it? The way, the truth, and the light 07:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3RR is one of the less flexible policies. Admins generally don't have discretion to consider arguments of the kind you originally raised (no talk page explanations, consensus/no consensus, etc.) -- four reverts = block, with no further inquiry (BozMo even suggested he agreed with you from a content perspective, as do I). Just wait it out... Fireplace 07:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 3RR page specifically says that a user that violates 3RR may not be blocked i.e. it is not automatic. Of course, that is probably just as credible as literally reading other Wikipedia policies, such as the one you enforced against me at Homosexual agenda. And of course admins do have such discretion - why? Because I can't imagine any admin being desysopped for considering such arguments in a neutral fashion, which implies that they do, in fact, have such discretion, even if they pretend otherwise. The way, the truth, and the light 07:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In any case I didn't violate 3RR from my perspective - I only made 3 real reverts. Similarly, I made 5 reverts within hours at Arctic a few days ago, and was not reported. I do not feel I broke 3RR there, either, since 2 of those reverts were against a user who'd mistakenly identified my removal as vandalism. The limitation ought to apply only to reverts clearly intended to further the edit war, but obviously they can't enforce that consistently. The way, the truth, and the light 09:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing this affair proves is that my block is, in fact, punitive, as it is clearly designed to punish me for what I did, (which is, de facto, dissenting from User:Simoes's gang). I believe Wikipedia's assertions that blocks aren't punitive like I believe the criminal justice system's assertions that probation isn't punitive i.e. not at all - both may have started that way, or at least have been intended that way; however they get converted into punitive tactics by the continual habit of lying by their supporters. The way, the truth, and the light 08:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Bowers etc.

The content that you added to Uniform polyhedron was already deleted via afd. If the result of a discussion is delete, it means the content will get deleted, not pasted somewhere else. Trying to get around an afd result by pasting the content somewhere else and creating redirects from the deleted titles is disruptive and unhelpful, so stop doing it. Thanks. - Bobet 15:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The remainder of this discussion has been moved to Talk:Uniform polyhedron.

Vandalism?

Im sorry but how is it vandalism? Corrie is a very common nickname of Coronation Street, and far more people who search for "corrie" will be looking for Coronation Street rather than the geographical feature. if you feel differently, then i propose a disambiguation page. ^DAVID _CAT 22:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I saw you had several warnings before and assumed you were a trouble maker account. I restored your redirect and added a note at the top of the page. If anyone objects, I won't restore it. The way, the truth, and the light 00:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually

I was specifically not trying to clutter the deletion review on purpose. Don't you think it's long enough? Friday (talk) 00:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If new arguments are introduced, it should be there.

It certainly is rather long, though! The way, the truth, and the light 00:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Antarctica Article

Regarding my entry in Antarctica. I managed to find this source. Although the ice break was a pretty awesome event, it wasn't quite as spectacular as I was lead to believe. That'll teach me for trusting the news. :)

Corrie

Please do not revert this again. A corrie is not the same as a cirque, a cirque is formed from a group of corries, which often originally formed the head of one or more glaciers. A corrie is a single feature. Different form a cirque, different from an arrete. Even if it was not, the dab page would belong at corrie, since we don't allow nicknames for soap operas to take precedence over names of geological features which are part of the language. Guy (Help!) 14:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Both articles say they're the same thing. A cirque is used to describe a single feature, and I've never encountered the distinction you're maintaining. Anyway, there's no reason such couldn't be mentioned in the single article Cirque.

The soap-opera nickname was introduced by another user and I decided then to defer to him because he correctly asserted the use that is more common; there's already a disambiguation page anyway at Corrie (disambiguation). The way, the truth, and the light 14:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, the two geological terms are distinct. The articles make this clear. Especially, the corrie article makes the distinction clear. The user "correctly" asserted? {{fact}}. Corrie is a word which has passed into the language and forms part of place names. Informal names for soap operas do not override formal names of geological features. Guy (Help!) 14:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's forget about the soap-opera nickname for now. Both articles say the terms are synonymous - Corrie now says '... in France the term is cirque.' and Cirque has 'A cirque is also known as ... a corrie in Scotland and Ireland'. Both were there before I edited them; I decided to redirect to cirque as that article is longer and better written, and corrie didn't say anything not in cirque. The way, the truth, and the light 14:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's go back in time to when I was an amateur geologist. Cwm/Coombe/Corrie - synonymous terms for the glacial feature as described in corrie, but cwm is also generic Welsh for valley. Corrie is the term used in Scotland, Coombe more often in England, though again I have seen it used to describe a more generic hollow valley not evidently of glacial origin, if I could remember where. A cirque, as used by those geologists I was around, was a group of these glacial features combining to form a large area. So that's my understanding. All of which means that at the very least revert-warring on your part is inappropriate. Now, I'm happy to hear about your experience of the use of these terms, but that's how I understand it, and that's the basis on which I'm looking at how to proceed; probably there needs to be a larger article discussing all the terms, and some redirects. As to the soap opera, it's pretty unliekly that anyone is going to go to an encyclopaedia expecting the article on Coronation Street to be anywhere other than at Coronation Street. Guy (Help!) 14:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Now that you are giving an explanation of your edits, I can assume good faith here and not believe you're just harassing me because of the other dispute.

I have personally not heard of this definition of cirque - if true, it ought to be noted. Here's what I am going to do: I will tag your assertion at cirque, propose the merger of corrie into cirque, post to the glaciers project about it (if I don't get a response there, to the geology project), and finally put in an RM to move Corrie (disambiguation) to Corrie - the fact that there's any argument about where corrie should go is a good reason for its being a disambiguation. The way, the truth, and the light 15:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, after a long-standing contributor has told you to stop faffing with things you clearly know nothing about, then you start to assume good faith, which is where you should have started? Pardon me for being rather underwhelmed by this. Guy (Help!) 21:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hanging valley

Stop unilaterally redirecting this article to valley. A hanging valley deserves it's own stub at least. It is a glaciological formation that is distinct. I have no idea why you keep combining all these articles into the valley one.--MONGO 21:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind...I'll take care of this later, looks like your already arguing about Cirques and Corries and related issues.--MONGO 21:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you approved the mergers when I made them, see Talk:Valley#Rewrite and merger. Please take any further discussion there. The way, the truth, and the light 21:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you actually know anything whatsoever about geography and geology? If not, it might be wise to choose another subject area. Guy (Help!) 21:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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	:Actually, you approved the mergers when I made them, see [[Talk:Valley#Rewrite and merger]]. Please take any further discussion there. [[User:The way, the truth, and the light\|The way, the truth, and the light]] 21:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)		:Actually, you approved the mergers when I made them, see [[Talk:Valley#Rewrite and merger]]. Please take any further discussion there. [[User:The way, the truth, and the light\|The way, the truth, and the light]] 21:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

			:: Do you actually know anything whatsoever about geography and geology? If not, it might be wise to choose another subject area. <b>[[User Talk:JzG\|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help\|Help!]])</small> 21:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)