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Daniel, you told her to try to challenge me on something? You're trying to create more problems between her and I? You also say 10$ says I wouldn't know where to go. Daniel, thats complete incivility and disrespect. This is a big reason to report you, Daniel. I think you've been incivil enough. I will have to report you now. I'm sorry [[User:EverybodyHatesChris|EverybodyHatesChris]] 05:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Daniel, you told her to try to challenge me on something? You're trying to create more problems between her and I? You also say 10$ says I wouldn't know where to go. Daniel, thats complete incivility and disrespect. This is a big reason to report you, Daniel. I think you've been incivil enough. I will have to report you now. I'm sorry [[User:EverybodyHatesChris|EverybodyHatesChris]] 05:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

: Hey Daniel. EverybodyHatesChris referred me to the comments above. I appreciate how difficult it is to walk the tight-rope between two warring editors sometimes. It seems like you can't win, you are too friendly to one and you are biased, too friendly with the other and the same accusations happen. Welcome to the life of an admin! However, its worth always keeping in mind that your comments should be aimed at resolving the situation in a constructive manner, and "10$ says he wouldn't even know where to go to report someone" has little obvious purpose other than to belittle EverybodyHatesChris. When your comments are not constructive, then you often become part of the problem instead of part of the solution (God, I sound like a management book!)
: I'm certainly not immune from making these mistakes myself, for example, my interactions with Migospia the other day stopped being constructive long before I stopped talking with her. However, there is a difference between a content dispute and [[WP:NPA]] violations and when dealing with the latter, you have to put on the admin hat and accept that you are going to be the bad guy. Anyway, I think when you read your comments over in the cold light of day you will appreciate what I mean. You are a great editor and experienced enough now that I don't need to tell you what to do, so I'm going to leave you to negotiate this tricky situation with EverybodyHatesChris yourself. Just remember what the ultimate goal is here and what you need to do to achieve it. I have asked EverybodyHatesChris to have a look at his behaviour also, so hopefully everyone can start afresh and keep focused on the content. I'm sure you will be able to sort the article out and remain on civil terms with both editors, though that may mean re-engaging on better terms and keeping cool. [[User:Rockpocket|<font color="green">Rockpock</font>]]<font color="black">e</font>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<font color="green">t</font>]] 06:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


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User:Danielfolsom/HOPESTART


Thanks I just got nervous when User:EverybodyHatesChris went to David Fuchs page to talk this, he actually did that 11 times in a row.--Migospia †♥ 19:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually he came back I tried to talk with him, but he reverted my edit again and calling it vandalism.--Migospia †♥ 03:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input on the talkpage. It was appreciated. LessHeard vanU 20:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also found and listed sources I added on the talk page and made it more clearer in the article.--Migospia †♥ 06:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

okay

I am only uncivil to those who are uncivil me and stalk me and make personal attacks, it is not cool and I should not have to deal with it, and no at least 3 users made personal attacks to me and is stalking me so no that is not helping me, I did not mean you personally were attacking me like I said I just do not want you to chat me up with your buddies here on Wikipedia or accusing me of things, the other people where attacking me that's all--Migospia☆ 01:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Knowing When

(I prefer to respond where the conversation started.) I meant only that Migospia☆ is clearly upset and your posts on their userpage do not seem to be helping to cool things down. Though, admittedly, I could have mis-read it.

I posted a couple times, trying to help, and pretty much got my eyes scratched out. Since Migospia☆ doesn't know me at all, and I wasn't rude, it's clear to me that Migospia☆ is upset and needs some space.

Take my post as worth 2x what you paid for it. (nothing) :) Happy Editing. Peace in God. Lsi john 01:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my fault - yeah, I think space is all she needs, she's a fine editor, she's just defensive - probably because so many editors got involved. I'm trying to force myself to unwatch that page - because I'm reading the comments and I'm thinking "awww, ok see if I just remind her of this - then she'll calm down and everything will work out" - but the problem is I thought that a bunch of times. Well I did my best, honestly I'm just not good enough of a person to be able to create peace in that situation - but either way it was nice talking to you here in this brief time and I hope to work with you later!danielfolsom 01:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll be philosophical.. just this once.. Peace for one person cannot be created by another. Peace must be sought after and achieved by oneself. All we can do is create the space in which peace can be found by being peaceful ourselves. If rejected, we then remain, unobtrusively watching, until such time as we might be invited back. Perhaps that call will come, and perhaps not.
Sometimes people don't want help. Sometimes people dont want peace. Sometimes they want the conflict because thats all they know, and they're comfortable with it. The trick, is in deciding if we are making the situation better or worse by being helpful.
Our paths may cross again. Who knows that the fates have in store for us.
Happy Editing. Peace in God. Lsi john 03:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template

I'ts commented out on my page... maybe I'll put it back, maybe I won't, but you can use it by putting {{subst:User:David Fuchs/awesome}} on your page. David Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 12:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The problem with your archive is that clicking the new heading button by default drops it below the archives, and therefor disappears. I think you need to revise your layout. David Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 12:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel, I've read this:

Your incivility

YOU wrote on Migospia's discussion page:

Hey, so I've read through the MTV source, and I think it's questionable enough that you should try to look for another - just to be on the safe side. Also, EverybodyHatesChris has gone bezerk, just to let you know ;D. But seriously, if he calls one of your edits vandalism again go ahead and report him, cause that's absolute crap. Also, if he threatens to report you - 10$ says he wouldn't even know where to go to report someone - so try and challenge him on that

Daniel, you told her to try to challenge me on something? You're trying to create more problems between her and I? You also say 10$ says I wouldn't know where to go. Daniel, thats complete incivility and disrespect. This is a big reason to report you, Daniel. I think you've been incivil enough. I will have to report you now. I'm sorry EverybodyHatesChris 05:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Daniel. EverybodyHatesChris referred me to the comments above. I appreciate how difficult it is to walk the tight-rope between two warring editors sometimes. It seems like you can't win, you are too friendly to one and you are biased, too friendly with the other and the same accusations happen. Welcome to the life of an admin! However, its worth always keeping in mind that your comments should be aimed at resolving the situation in a constructive manner, and "10$ says he wouldn't even know where to go to report someone" has little obvious purpose other than to belittle EverybodyHatesChris. When your comments are not constructive, then you often become part of the problem instead of part of the solution (God, I sound like a management book!)
I'm certainly not immune from making these mistakes myself, for example, my interactions with Migospia the other day stopped being constructive long before I stopped talking with her. However, there is a difference between a content dispute and WP:NPA violations and when dealing with the latter, you have to put on the admin hat and accept that you are going to be the bad guy. Anyway, I think when you read your comments over in the cold light of day you will appreciate what I mean. You are a great editor and experienced enough now that I don't need to tell you what to do, so I'm going to leave you to negotiate this tricky situation with EverybodyHatesChris yourself. Just remember what the ultimate goal is here and what you need to do to achieve it. I have asked EverybodyHatesChris to have a look at his behaviour also, so hopefully everyone can start afresh and keep focused on the content. I'm sure you will be able to sort the article out and remain on civil terms with both editors, though that may mean re-engaging on better terms and keeping cool. Rockpocket 06:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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