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Salt Spring Air

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Non-notable company. Brianga (talk) 00:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Article consists mostly of original research. The sole source cited contains only a passing mention of the company. There is currently no independent, signficant coverage to demonstrate notability. Nick Graves (talk) 02:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Small airline is not notable, its company website is a blog on worldpress. AlbinoFerret (talk) 05:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - not notable and almost not sources Think outside the box 20:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Very insulting that they didn't even try to Wikify it. House of Scandal (talk) 20:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: Failure to wikify is not a criterion for deletion, but a reason for improvement. I don't think insult was intended by this failure to wikify--it's a likely result of just being new and not being familiar with how the markup works. Do you care to cite another rationale for deletion--one that's based on a policy or guideline? Like, say, lack of notability? Nick Graves (talk) 21:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: In response to the above points, firstly sorry I am new to wiki be assured no insult was meant, and thank you to whom ever it was that helped by wikifying my page. I have added some more references and will continue to do so, the company is set to be in the news again this week. Salt Spring Air is pretty notable, maybe it is just that I have not added enough data, I will work on that. Any tips are welcome and will be acted on. the company has a full web site at www.saltspringair.com i used the blog site as it is growing in content quicker and has some cool photos on it. So can I stay, for now? --Flymebc (talk) 04:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Response: I recommend taking a look at the following policies or guidelines: Reliable sources, Conflict of interest, Original research and Notability (organizations and companies). There are currently two "References" sections in the article. The first consists of links to Wikipedia articles, which are not reliable sources for an article. The second References section lists an IMDb page, which is also not a reliable source. The other two articles are reliable sources, but they do not provide significant coverage of the subject. They're not enough to establish notability by Wikipedia standards. "Notability" in general is very relative, and your company might very well be notable within a certain locality and in certain people's minds, but "notability" within the Wikipedia context has a very specific definition, and the company does not yet meet that definition. I presume you are the proprieter of this company, or at least work for it, so you should review Wikipedia's guidelines on conflict of interest. It's usually not a good idea to edit or start an article about a company you own or work for, since this can lead to articles becoming advertisements, violations of neutrality policy, or a temptation to view the subject as more notable than it actually is (by Wikipedia standards), thus creating an article that doesn't really belong here. Finally, the article contains information that is not confirmed by the two reliable sources cited. Perhaps you know this information personally, but without a reputably published source to back it up, it shouldn't be included in the article. That's original research, which is prohibited on Wikipedia. More data and pictures won't save this article--proof that it is notable (significant coverage in multiple, reliable, secondary sources) is the only thing that can do that. As for the wikification issue, you can learn by clicking "edit" on certain articles just to take a look at what the markup looks like (do not use real articles, however, to test things out). You can then go to the sandbox and do some experiments to get familiar with how editing using this markup works. Nick Graves (talk) 18:06, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment: thank you for the feedback, I have read through your response, and I am currently playing around in the sand box to pick up some wiki skills. I am not the proprietor or an employee of the company, my interest started because I can see the float planes landing form my window, I have (it’s a small island) got to know the owner and the company. Hence the pet project. I can see that being an acquantance of the owner may be on the fringe of the wiki conflict rule, but on an island this size the most knowledgeable about any island subject is probably somebody form the community. I understand more pictures and data won’t be the saving grace, but new/more articles may be. Salt Spring Air is being honoured with a life savers award this Friday and that is to be picked up by TV and Print media, Salt spring Air’s planes are pretty famous they have each been involved in block buster movies starring Nicholas Cage and Al Pacino (not both in the same movie) I am digging out the reference to those now. In the interest of trying to improve the article enough, could anybody point out the difference between it and say other companies in the same field i.e. Harbour Air--Flymebc (talk) 21:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Response: Certainly, members of the community will have a lot of knowledge about such a company, but again, all information in a Wikipedia article must be supported with reliable, published sources to avoid crossing into Original research. Even if you personally know something to be true, you must be able to point to an article in a reliable newspaper, magazine, book, website, etc. to put such information in an article. You would get a long way toward proving notability for the company if you could find at least one reliable, secondary source that has an article specifically dedicated to covering it. While you search for that, you might consider "userfying" the article you created in case it gets deleted. Check out this article to see how that can be done. That way, you can restore the article once you've proven notability (though I would consult with the closing admin before doing that). As for Harbour Air, I'm of the opinion that notability has not been proven for that company either. It cites 3 sources, 1 of which doesn't have anything to do with the company, and two of which are actually the company's own website. You'll find that a lot of articles "slip through the cracks" and aren't up to policy or guidelines. That still doesn't excuse other articles when an editor brings up a legitimate criticism and asks for either proof of notability or article deletion. I would note, however, that Harbour Air is (according to its own website) the "World's Largest All-Seaplane Airline," which, if supported by independent coverage, would be a fact supporting its notability. Nick Graves (talk) 00:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• • • • • i have added more data and links in the reference section, including an article that appeared yesterday. i have more coming from the vancouver press hopefully this weekend--Flymebc (talk) 01:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)