Wikipedia talk:GLAM/ARKive

Attribution template

Hi. In case it's useful, I've created an ARKive attribution template at {{ARKive attribute}}, which could be added after the references section to acknowledge the inclusion of ARKive materials into the article under CC-BY-SA-3.0. Mike Peel (talk) 22:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Is it usual to put something like that on an article, as well as the banner on the talk page? I'm happy with either, or both, but am unclear as to which is the norm. If we are going to use it, I;ll add a link to the ARKive article, like that in {{ARKive}}. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:42, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I think so, I've certainly noticed it on articles written using information copied from NASA. SmartSE (talk) 18:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I am missing sth...

I am failing to find donated text. Does it inlude entire website? Bulwersator (talk) 15:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

No; they have donated 200 articles, the first 80 or so are those listed on the project page. More will follow. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

comments/questions

The animals they cover are pretty notable. For some like Hawkbill, I would be unlikely to want to cut and paste their prose. Our article is already an FA and longer. Even if they had good stuff, would need to integrate it properly and probably just get the base citations and write it in without an Arkive attribution. At the most, it is another competing article on the Hawbill, which I might choose to read and learn from, but no priority for me.

There are a few though, where we have almost nothing (e.g. Common Box Turtle) where just grabbing their prose would make an article pretty quick. could see this being value add. After all we have let it languish for years. Yeah, we could build it from scratch, but have not. So why not take the content. I know Citizendium to Wiki project built some content this way.

Few things I'm not clear on:

1. How to attribute to Arkive? I mean their text itself is referenced, so what we take from them is the prose. Is a citation appropriate for that, or some edit history remark? And what are the exact nicities around it? I guess a good citation would make sure we spec the date and webpage and all that.
2. Is this "approved"? HAve copyright issues been thought through? Is this more than a one person initiative? Imagine running one of these by Mottenen.
3. how physically to cut and paste the text (especially the cites). Or doees that need to be done all manual or any tricks?
4. Anything else to watch out for?

TCO (reviews needed) 02:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of numbering your questions:

1. Please see the example edit given, for African Elephant, and the notes on the project page.
2. No, this is not simply a one-person initiative; I have been appointed by Wikimedia UK and ARKive, jointly, as explained on the project page and the Wikimedia UK page to which it links.
3. as [1]
4. The five pillars apply here, as elsewhere.

Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

screw it, will just do one!

I'm going to do common box turtle. You can look it over and see what I missed. My main concern is copying the cites...I can manage the section arrangement of extra text. I'll be your first customer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCO (talk • contribs)

Thank you. Please be sure to update the project page when you're done. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Is Arkive a reliable source for the wiki?

• In the references section Archive says; "Authentication. This information is awaiting authentication by a species expert, and will be updated as soon as possible. If you are able to help please contact: [email protected]". With a notice like this, I think that we can not simply merge Archive into the Wikipedia, as it appears to me that Archive (or at least the part of Archive for the Hyacinth Macaw) does not satisfy the Wiki's reliable source guidelines. Snowman (talk) 07:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

disagree. We are not citing them as a source. Their content is reffed itself. For box turtle, pretty decently (I know the field). All we are using is their prose. It's no different than getting info from one article of wiki to another.TCO (reviews needed) 07:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree with TCO. also, you made the same comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds, where I replied: "the text in the ARKive article on the Hyacinth Macaw is referenced to multiple reliable sources; per the African Elephant example, we can lift the text, with references, directly from ARKive. Accordingly, I have done just that, by way of example". Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK - not original content

You currently recommend to nominate articles expanded using the info from ARKive for DYK, but I don't think you should as WP:WIADYK states "Try to select articles that are original to Wikipedia (not inclusions of free data-sources)..." therefore meaning they should be excluded. It's unfortunate, but I know that at DYK we have rejected articles made from free sources before, so it only seems fair that these shouldn't be eligible. I think it is a reasonable rule too, as it so much easier to create articles from sources like this. SmartSE (talk) 18:08, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

My reading of that is that it refers to articles created by cut'n'pasting a full article from another source, not an article which has been expanded by weaving donated text and references into an existing article; or indeed including donated text and original material such as in the currently-nominated Terrapene carolina. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Brachypelma albopilosum

I was unable to find the Curly haired Tarantula (what redirects to Brachypelma albopilosum). Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-= 16:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

If you look at Brachypelma albopilosum, you will see it says "Brachypelma albopilosum is a species of tarantula known commonly as the Honduran curlyhair or simply curlyhair". The ARKive article confirms that "Curlyhair tarantula" is another name for Brachypelma albopilosum. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)