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{{bot|Chzz|status=approved}} ChzzBot IV is a bot (i.e. an automated editing program) Refer to User talk:Chzz Function SEE Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/ChzzBot IV Please direct all enquiries to User:Chzz - Click here to leave a message. For every entry in Category:Pending AfC submissions, If it appears to be a submission - ie, it contains "{{afc submission") and the page name begins with "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/", and doesn't contain "template:", and If the page has no references at all (ie no "<ref" case-insensitive), or "{{harv" or "{{sfn" and If it's not a disambig - ie doesn't contain "{disamb") or "{{dab" or "{{dbig" or the title contains "disambig",, and the AFC is not in a category containing "disambig" (e.g. {{geodis}} THEN IF the creator has no user talk page at all, it adds a short 'welcome' - For IP users, it adds User:ChzzBot IV/Welcome anon, For registered users, it adds User:ChzzBot IV/Welcome user Then it adds a message about the AFC needing a reference; User:ChzzBot IV/AFC unreferenced It also adds a note to the AFC, and logs the actions to User:ChzzBot_IV/log. Templates User:ChzzBot IV/Welcome anon User:ChzzBot IV/Welcome user User:ChzzBot IV/AFC unreferenced Emergency Shutoff If the bot is causing any problems, feel free to block it - and please inform the bot operator(s) on their talk page and/or by email. Administrator emergency shutoff Jorg Janke Resolved  - Were reviewed multiple times... mabdul 12:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC) Hi ChzzBot IV I have updated the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jorg_Janke, please review and reply me Thanks, Winningindians — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winningindians (talk • contribs) 02:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC) Patrick E. McGovern Resolved  - Article already accepted. mabdul 12:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC) Dear ChzzBot IV, I received your message that I need inline references in the "Patrick E. McGovern" article. But the original submission included numerous inline refs., which now have been deleted. How do I get back to the original version? Best, William Pepper — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drwilliampepper (talk • contribs) 14:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC) Nail Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nail (edit | project page | history | links | watch | logs) Hi, this is Dodobird1982. You told me I need references but what if you learn something through a personal experience. In this case, I watched Dragon Ball Z, and that is how I know about the character Nail. Please respond as soon as you can! Thanks! Dodobird1982 (talk) 20:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Hi Dodobird1982, this is not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and thus your submission falls likely in the category which is not covered by Wikipedia. Please read WP:NOT and consider searching at Wikia for the Dragon Ball wiki. Regards, mabdul 12:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC) A kitten for you! Thank you very much chzzbot for the review of my article and your guidance to improve it. Kunalkulpati (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2012 (UTC) About <The Flavor of corn> article Hello, Here I wanna discuss some questions about article <The Flavor of corn>. Here it's link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/The_Flavor_of_Corn So, in this article (which was denied by you as unverified)I added all improtant information, including supported by reliable sources. 3 times I was tried to make this article affirmed, but even after I added reliable and verifed sources, it's still was denied to be article. Is this homophoby or what?? And if my sources are not verifed, which you can call verifed sourses then?? Please respond me here, thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.70.15.114 (talk) 17:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC) The High Quality Transport Refrigeration Parts Hi, Recently i had purchased transport refrigeration parts from a site www.thermoenginesupply.com.The thermo king parts are of high quality and at affordable price. THERMO ENGINE SUPPLY is a leader in quality replacement parts for Thermo King transport refrigeration units. High-quality replacement parts for Thermo King transport refrigeration units and equipment. Thermo Engine Supply offers a comprehensive line of fast-moving parts for your Thermo King, transport refrigeration unit maintenance and service needs. we can purchase thermo king compressors,thermo king alternators,thermo king pumps and thermo king belts also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thermoenginesupply (talk • contribs) 13:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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User:ChzzBot IV/AFC unreferenced is wrong. You need to completely re-code this if you ever try to run it again. The use of <ref> tags is absolutely not required, and you should not be telling users that their AFC submissions don't include WP:Inline citations merely because they don't use ref tags. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:54, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

The Reference Links have been updated in the Article. And Links are made with proper attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravinder3790 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Received your Email note, No real problem but I thought I would chat, actually that error was quite some time back, and I don't ...

To Chzz, got your message

Dear Chzz, I got your Email message. It referred to an error I observed once when editing. Unfortunately it was some time back and I don't remember which article I was working on. But I do remember that it was the appearance of some Russian chemistry which didn't below where it intruded. Perhaps someone had been editing something in Russian and accidentally got it into my article. But it didn't seem to be a permanent intrusion.

In any case, it is not something to be concerned about now.

Chzz, it was good to hear from you. You were being too formal with my last name. I'm Howard to my friends.

I've written five Wikipedia articles on Organic Chemical things of interest (Important in my view). What I'm finding is that the really critical things are beyond what are in textbooks, and the opinion has been offered that articles should have only textbook stuff. But that would leave out the most important things. the textbook writers are not that knowledgeable in chemistry.

I've also found a number of items which have come from my research but have been written up by other editors. Generally they are well-written.

On a personal note, you may have noted that here in Madison, Wisconsin we have had some weird protests. They have stemmed from a conflict between the Governor and the Unions. He has balanced our budget without raising taxes and has given flexibility to the School Boards and Municipalities permitting them to avoid layoffs, that is, except where the Unions have rushed in to block him. But so many are persuaded that the Union Bargaining is a "right" when the Economics don't permit what they want. This pertains to the State.

We have National problems but not so easily solved.

Chzz, it was good to hear from you. You had been so very helpful in the past.

I'll end here.

Howard Hez (talk) 00:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Great to hear from you! I'm thrilled that you've embraced the Wikipedia idea; we so need people like yourself, to help improve our "sum of all human knowledge"!

• Re. the error - sometimes, strange things happen, and if the error goes away, it's best to just "blame aliens" and not worry or bother to investigate; life is too short. If it now works, it works, and that's all that matters.
• "Beyond textbooks" is fine - of course; it's great; it's what Wikipedia is all about - as long as it's verifiable! As you know, 'original research' - whilst laudable - belongs elsewhere; an Encyclopaedia cannot publish novel information, it can only report the things documented elsewhere.
• I'm sorry to hear of your local taxation disputes; no, I did not know about that; it hasn't hit our UK news so far. But the more general issue of the Western systems as a whole is certainly a "hot topic"; earlier today, I spent quite a long time looking at http://xkcd.com/980/ (if you click on it, you 'zoom in') - fascinating stuff.

Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  00:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Request for feedback on User:Timeport101/Verax NMS

Hello Chzz, thanks for a great feedback you gave me on User:Timeport101/Verax NMS. I've implmented your suggestions and found additional references. I'd like to ask you about your opinion on this. I'm not sure if I cited refrences 100% correct (research papers and workshop materials).--Timeport101 (talk) 13:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I've responded, as well; seriously, if I saw this at npp now I'd send it on through as patrolled. I've stuck one {{cn}} tag on it. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 15:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Verax NMS.

The live page has been protected from creation (following Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Verax_NMS), but I think the new draft is OK, so I asked if the page could be unprotected - [1] [2]  Chzz  ►  00:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Editing: Next Steps

Hi,

I submitted an article entitled "USTA Eastern," and got a message asking for citations. I inserted a number of citations and was just wondering what the next steps are to getting the article published.

Thanks so much, Geostory (talk) 16:54, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Most/all of the references are not independent reliable sources; almost all are at usta.com. Please see WP:VRS and WP:PSTS.  Chzz  ►  10:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Dan Terry

Greetings! I was wondering what specific items for which I need to include in-line references for my article on Dan Terry. The Leonard Feather article about his early career -- referenced here http://danterrybigbigband.wordpress.com/press/1960-the-encyclopedia-of-jazz/ -- should cover issues about the musician until 1954. Can you recommend a better way I can include that information in the article? Perhaps there are items later in the article that need references. Please advise. Thank you! Kostraba (talk) 03:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dan Terry

I can see you've added some more references now, and that's good. We need to be able to verify all the information - anything that isn't referenced can be removed by any other editor. It's important that it's all verifiable because otherwise, people might change the 'facts' later, and we would have no way to tell which were correct. Please note that IMDB and allmusic (and other such sources) are not reliable sources. When you're ready, re-submit it. Best of luck,  Chzz  ►  22:06, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

inline references.

Hello

i went onto chat as i am not exactly tech savvy(!) to try and make sure i included inline references. i have done one, however am not sure what else is needed, or indeed if i have done it correctly. apolagies for not getting this right, is there anything lse i should do please? I understand that i shouild not include references from the woodford website for example..?

many thanks

Supertrooooper — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supertrooooper (talk • contribs) 12:35, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

The reference you've added it OK, yes... except that I don't think it verifies that it's the only such charity. It shows it's a charity though - so yes, it's a good start.

You can use their own website, but with care; it's a primary source, so it should only be used for simple, neutral facts - and not for any type of claim. For example, ChzzCo is based in London.<ref> http://www.chzzco.co.uk/about.html </ref> -that's OK. But ChzzCo has over 9000 customers per year.<ref> http://www.chzzco.co.uk/accounts.html </ref> -that is not OK.

Also, primary sources do not help show 'notability' - because all articles need to show "significant coverage in independent reliable sources". The article must mostly be based on independent references. For more info, see WP:PSTS.  Chzz  ►  12:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

The Ten Year War

Hello. This is in regard to your critique of my article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Ten Year War. I did read your notes and I still have some questions as to why you rejected it. I tried to chat with you a few minutes ago but couldn't figure out how to get it to work.

You mentioned that there were "large portions" of the piece that were unreferenced. Besides the background, what are they? I included 36 citations in the article, all from reliable third-party sources.

I'd also like to add that I'm a staunch Michigan fan and I hate Ohio State with a passion. :) So, it would be a tall order for me to say anything complimentary about Woody Hayes (referring to the "brilliant" passage you referred to). But I went out of my way to make the piece fair and objective. If you follow college football at all, you'd see that Hayes won three national titles at Ohio State, was there for 28 seasons and was treated like royalty. If that's not brilliant, I don't know what is. College coaches don't stay in one place for that long if there's no record of excellence. I'm willing to drop the "brilliant" reference or find a source, but I think that's common knowledge. You also mentioned that there were multiple statements of opinion besides that. Where?

As to the statement that Hayes was fired, Hayes WAS fired. If you saw the clip that I included (from ABC Sports, a reliable source), you'd see why he was fired. There are other articles on Wikipedia, namely Woody Hayes that state that he was fired and there were no citations stating such.

A lot of work was put into this article and if you were in my shoes, you'd hate to see all that work shot down like that. Any guidance you can give on this to make the article "live" would be a huge help. Thanks! Mdb1370 (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I certainly didn't mean to shoot it down, not at all; just to help improve it a bit before accepting it.

Regarding "fired" - I'm always extra-careful about any possibly-negative BLP claims that appear to be unreferenced. If the ABC Sport had been a ref on the end of that fact, I would not have worried.

I'm sure the information comes from reliable sources, but because some things don't have a ref actually on the end of the claim, I couldn't tell, without hunting through all the other stuff. Apart from 'background', some of the seemingly-unref'd-things are - in == 1969: Michigan 24, Ohio State 12 ==;

• Ohio State's 1969 team was dubbed by the media as the "greatest college football team of all time", with a handful of proven All-Big Ten players and All-Americans. - is that covered in the same ref [2] at the end of the next sentence? I do not have access to the book myself, so I cannot check.

The specific problem there is, as follows; imagine if I wrote Chzz was born in 1901. Chzz lives in England. <ref> good reliable source </ref> - and then later, someone edited it, putting Chzz was born in 1901. Chzz has a pet cat. Chzz lives in England. <ref> good reliable source </ref> - I'm sure you can see the problem there; is the pet cat fact covered in the ref? We don't know. For that reason, it's best to add references on the end of each sentence. It's "acceptable" to have a ref just at the end of a paragraph, but it does lead to that problem.

• Quarterback Don Moorhead would score two plays later on the keeper to extend Michigan’s lead to 21-12. Michigan would kick a field goal and go into the locker room with a stunning 24-12 lead. - that's the end of the paragraph, and there's no ref.
• The next two-sentence paragraph, starting with In the third quarter... has no reference.
• Ohio State finished at #4.

The same kind of thing is true of the other sections.

Regarding neutral language,

• Probably the most significant aspect of this stretch of the rivalry was - avoid 'probably' - it either is a fact we can support with a reference, or it is just an opinion and shouldn't be in the article.
• a stunning 24-12 lead - no need for the word "stunning" - just present the fact, and let the reader decide how significant it is
• Hayes really going ballistic - not encyclopaedic language; try to keep it more formal such as, "Hayes became more angry"
• a freshman phenom named Archie Griffin - do you mean "phenomenon"?
• the record Ohio Stadium crowd screaming themselves hoarse - unnecessary exaggeration; just "screaming" would be quite enough
• Lytle would be stuffed by two Ohio State defenders "stuffed" isn't very appropriate
• only blemish was a heartbreaking loss to Oklahoma - opinion rather than fact (whose heart did it break?)
• whacking the ABC-TV cameraman do you mean 'hitting'?
• Tom Cousineau was considered the country’s best defensive player - according to who?
• Avoid contractions - such as "he'd" instead of "he had", or "couldn't" instead of "could not" - there are quite a few, throughout.

Please note, these are just suggestions for improvement; I'm not really concerned about them, it's just ideas for making it better. The only thing that truly matters is, the referencing. Hope that helps,  Chzz  ►  10:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

About not acceptance of article Joe Gunther (singer)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Joe_Gunther_(singer) Joe Gunther (singer) Thank you for reviewing the article I submitted. You said in your reply none of the references mention the person. If you pay attention to the right side bar, you will see Joe Gunther is the stage name for "Joao Barao Neto" mentioned in both articles, including wikipedia page about James Durbin's debut album, currently one of the TOP20 selling albums in the world.

I would appreciate if you could take another look at the article and therefore accept it.

Joaoneto1982 (talk) 19:28, 24 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks!

Hi. I'm sorry I missed that connection, but in [3] there's only a very brief mention of Neto, and I still can't see anything in [4]. We need "significant" coverage about the subject of the article, to meet WP:GNG. The success of Durbin's album doesn't help.  Chzz  ►  19:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Chzz. Neto was one the songwriters of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memories_of_a_Beautiful_Disaster. Therefore I would like to be able to link his name on that page to his own page. I don't see how different he is from other writers on the page that have their own writer's page on Wikipedia such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Trust or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Waronker The references I added to Neto's page prove him to be one of the writers of song Deeper, and the other reference link shows that song is James Durbin's favorite song in the album. Also his album being one of the current Top 20 selling albums in the world and that song being his favorite song in the album are enough notoriety to establish Neto as a songwriter worth of a page of his own. I kindly ask you to review your decision. Joaoneto1982 (talk) 23:00, 24 November 2011 (UTC)Thank you.

I see that someone else has now reviewed it. I'm sorry, but I agree with them - it doesn't meet the guideline. "Notability" is all about references about the person; the fame of the record and James Durbin isn't relevent to determining the "notability" of that person.  Chzz  ►  22:00, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Chzz. Thanks for reviewing it once again. It does meet the notability criteria: WP:MUS Wikipedia:Composers. "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.". We are talking about an album that currently is in the Top 5 Selling Rock Albums in the world. The referred song is the artist's favorite song as it's stated in references. Therefore it is a notable composition whose composer is worthy of being listed in an encyclopedia. Joaoneto1982 (talk) 02:31, 26 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks!

WP:MUS also says, Wikipedia should not have a separate article on a person [..] that does not meet the criteria of either this guideline or the general notability guideline, or any subject that, despite the person meeting the rules of thumb described above, for which editors ultimately cannot locate independent sources that provide in-depth information about the subject.  Chzz  ►  02:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I see that. So ultimately what you are saying is in order to establish Joe Gunther as an independent subject we need to gather more articles about the subject himself? Joaoneto1982 (talk) 03:27, 26 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks!

MtC drive

So, thanks for joining the next MtC drive. I'm here since you forgot to add yourself to the logs page, and it would be boring to get nothing for transferring 3 thousand files. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 20:43, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I can always do that a bit closer to the time :-) -I hope I'll get some kind of notification? Otherwise, I will probably forget...with it being a month away.  Chzz  ►  22:01, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, and I'm thinking about moving it to December. So you may join the reviewers, and I've never tried to block it off. I am thinking about moving it to December 2011. I will be getting a bot to send messages too. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Page Visibility

Hi,

I just had my first page approved for qualifying non-uk pension schemes but i can't seem to find it in the search results at all...Does this just take time or do I need to add something to the page so the search engine is able to find it related to various keywords?

MrHarrison123 (talk) 10:13, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

It just takes time - up to a day - before it's been indexed in the Wikipedia search. It'll work if you put in the exact title, Qualified Non-UK Pension Scheme. Google has already found it [5] although for me, it is about the 8th entry (it varies, by region). The Wikipedia article will probably move up the Google ranking soon.  Chzz  ►  10:18, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

(Also, I've added a couple of redirects too)  Chzz  ►  22:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Sawbridgeworth

Okay Chzz, I'm starting to clue-in to the message. I still believe that factual and interesting information belongs in an encyclopedia, and will completely re-write it with a Joe Friday tone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.99.172.140 (talk) 13:45, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

OK.  Chzz  ►  22:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

EcoMil Almond article

hello! I'm writing to you because I'm having some troubles with publishing an article... and as you have reviewed it twice, I was wondering if you could give some advice?

It's the first time I publish anything in Wikipedia. I'm a vegan, and when I moved to UK I found this product, EcoMil, and I thought it could be interesting to talk about it here, as other products like Alpro and Provamel are already in the wiki. I don't really want to make it soung as an advertisement, I've even used some medical studies to support it, but I still can't make it right...

Could you please give me a hand with that, and give some tips to make it work?

Thank you very much!!

(Cristina-nutriops (talk) 15:17, 25 November 2011 (UTC))

It seems to contain copy-violations. I will reply on your talk page. Chzz  ►  22:18, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

David_Ross_McAndie

re: Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/David_Ross_McAndie

I have added a couple of ref's but most of the information is in our family history which is not published. What do you suggest?

Kenullman (talk) 17:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks!

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia only permits information that has been published in reliable sources (such as books, newspapers, etc) - and does not permit original research. If the information is not verifiable, then Wikipedia isn't the right place for it. See WP:OR, WP:V, WP:IRS, WP:FIRST.  Chzz  ►  22:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Huawei revision

Hi Chzz, I have considered your response and made a change to the proposed language on the Huawei discussion page. If you have time to review it and offer your thoughts on the new version, I would greatly appreciate it. --Bouteloua (talk) 18:18, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that! I'm trying to enlist help, from Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Huawei. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  22:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Grand Orient Arabe

[[The Grand Orient Arabe is an old Arabic Masonic Obedience founded in Lebanon in 1950. It no longer exists as such since its merger in 2010 with the Grand Orient Arabe Œcuménique a French Masonic Obedience of Study and Research to form the "Grand Orient Arabe Œcuménique". The Grand Orient Arabe Œcuménique advocates, outside structures, inter-religious dialogue and aims to bring the brotherhood beyond the religions. The Grand Orient Arabe Œcuménique working with a new rite told Ecumenical. The ritual is inspired by the World Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite (REAA), the practices of the ancient builders Muslims, and initiation of the branches of Islam (Sufi, Druze and Ismailis). It consists of seven steps, preceded by a state of Aspirant /Mourid]]. Publications: Freemasonry,Muhammad Safwat al-Saqqa Amini & Sa'di Abu Habib,published in Arabic from Makkah al-Mukarramah,1980 and in English published from New York,1982,Printed by Igram Press, Cedar Rapids,Iowa;The Grand Arab Orient,page 68,69,70. Rituels et catéchismes au Rite Œcuménique, Orient et Occident,à la croisée des chemins maçonniques;Jean-Marc Aractingi et G.Le Pape;Editions L'Harmattan,Paris,2011 (ISBN: 978-2-296-54445-1). References: economicsnewspaper/freemasonry1 Article de la Voix du Nord, édition de Lens,17/10/20102 Grand Orient Arabe3 Grand Orient Arabe Œcuménique4 List of Masonic Grand Lodges,Wikipedia5 90.8.112.240 (talk) 18:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. I'm sorry, but I do not know what you are asking me about - the only edit you have made (from that IP address) is here, on my talk page. Is this regarding some existing article, or some draft/suggestion? What did you want me to do? Please let me know.

If you have a general question, I suggest you try the help desk. Thanks!  Chzz  ►  22:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Editor's poor performance

[YOUR NOTE ON MY TALK PAGE] "It would help greatly if, on Wikipedia:Help_desk#how does one report a wikipedia editor for poor performance?, you could tell us which article it is about. Thanks, Chzz ► 18:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)"

• Chzz: What happened on this issue from your end? I see on the Talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Analytic_Sciences_Corporationthat the original editor who called for Speedy Deletion still does not understand the contents of the entry s/he wishes to have deleted -- and is reading my notes to her/him no more carefully than the original article. Please help. --Aboudaqn (talk) 03:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)