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Image license question

PumpkinSky, is there an image license suitable for Wikipedia that allows people to share the image but not modify it? • Jesse V.^(talk) 19:20, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Is this an image you took/own? Do you want to use some sort of free license? PumpkinSky talk 19:29, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I am trying to get an image for the Vijay Pande article. Yesterday he sent me a portrait taken by a private photographer, so he owns the copyright. I gave him some license options and he replied that he preferred one that could be shared but he preferred that they not be able to alter it. • Jesse V.^(talk) 19:37, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

See commons:Commons:Licensing for license talk in plain language, not lawyer-ese. For your purpose, Public Domain is out of the question. You can see at that Commons link says derivative works must be allowed, which means someone can crop out a section, etc. Other options for Commons/EN wiki are GFDL and CC. Also see an example of the "attribution" license is possible, see more details on that here: File:Ocean Grove organ.jpg. If this person doesn't want anyone to "alter" it, I'd not recommend any of the free licenses in this case as he'd probably not be happy. That leaves Fair use, which you can use on EN wiki but not Commons. For how to use that on an image, you need a FUR-Fair Use Rational for each article it's in, see example here: File:Boy Scouts of America universal emblem.svg. Personally, I try to avoid fair use if at all possible. PumpkinSky talk 19:59, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Not to mention we're not allowed fair use images for living people. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Quite true, quite true. PumpkinSky talk 10:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Deleted images check

Could you check the deleted images of Psychonaught and see what the copyrighted images were that were deleted? One of his images is in an FAC — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

WOW. This guy had roughly 75 deleted photos. What exactly are you looking for? PumpkinSky talk 11:06, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Drug images deleted for copyvio, if any. The image used in meth mouth has no EXIF data and is fairly recent. As I saw he has had files deleted for copyvio before, I wanted to see if there was a pattern before AGFing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Of the roughly 75 deletions, just by looking at file names, at least 15 are drug related. You may also want to look at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Drug lists of Psychonaught PumpkinSky talk 13:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• I did see that, they were all "out of scope" as they were essentially text. So none that look like copyvios? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Let me look at the reasons....PumpkinSky talk 13:42, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Reasons other than out of scope (just from looking at file names for drug-related ones): no source=1, missing essential info/license=1, duplicate=1. I guess you saw his talk page on commons too. I'd be wary of this guy. PumpkinSky talk 13:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, I'll note that at the FAC. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Anyti0me~ PumpkinSky talk 16:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Brow Monument and Brow Monument Trail

I am sorry but I must decline your request to perform another review on this nomination at this time. Since February, when a special date request I had made for the 100th anniversary of Arizona statehood was bumped to a different date, there has been a persistent pattern of my nominations receiving unfavorable treatment at a disproportionately high rate (my image proposals are consistently rejected and roughly half my hooks with a strong geographical association are scheduled to run in the middle of the night). This has prompted a reevaluation of the amount of time I am willing to spend helping do the grunt work needed to keep the DYK system running smoothly. Nothing personal, but my time has been reallocated to other activities. --Allen3 ^talk 22:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You commented there and I certainly don't have anything against you. I was just trying to help a newbie out. I'll put a comment there that you decline further participation in that nomination. I do understand how frustrating wiki can be. PumpkinSky talk 22:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

hello again. gee, the wiki world certainly is filled with a lot of intrigue. I've never been entirely sure what a DYK is - but people seem to want to have their work in that category. If it is simply an honor of some sort, I suppose that I am grateful to you for having promoted it as such. If having the DYK nomination fail, and it doesn't affect the Brow Monument article's ability to live on, then just having the information out there in the world is very satisfactory to me. You've been of immense help in getting it to this point and if you feel that pushing further will result in more 'intrigue', then I'm satisfied as is. (oh, and one other small favor and you can refer me elsewhere for the answer. I uploaded a new photo to wiki commons that shows the original rock cairn associated with the historical site - my photo. I have been trying to figure out how to tie it to the article. In the article, there is a section that says Wikimedia commons has media related to the article. by clicking it, it goes out to a gallery. how do i get the new pic into that gallery? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brow_Monument_-_Historic_Rock_Cairn_Survey_Marker.jpg

thanks again bill polkAbearfellow (talk) 23:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and no problem. Yea, wiki is sometimes like trying to decipher a black crystal ball. To have a commons photo in your article, add it like a EN wiki photo, it'll "show through", that's what commons is for--any image there can be used on all wiki language projects. A successful DYK gets your article on the main page (see lower left of main page any time. PumpkinSky talk 23:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

{talk page watcher} I have added "Category:Brow Monument and Brow Monument Trail" to the image on the Commons and now it will appear in the related gallery there. -- Dianna (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

wow, thank you. i tried to figure out how to do that (after i'd already finished with the descriptions on the original upload) but i couldn't figure out a way back in to the category section. Is a talk page watcher the rupert giles of wikiworld?Abearfellow (talk) 00:12, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Just helping make things a little less cryptic. -- Dianna (talk) 01:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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thanks for everything. i couldn't have done this without you. bill polkAbearfellow (talk) 23:31, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

no problemPumpkinSky talk 23:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Beaverslide

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Brow Monument and Brow Monument Trail

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Core Contest!

	Second Prize - Core Contest
	Congratulations for sharing in second prize in the August 2012 incarnation of the Core Contest! Your voucher will be on its way soon.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm genuinely surprised. I've asked Gerda about using it to donate a Kafka bio to a library. PumpkinSky talk 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Mighty fine work! Binksternet (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

You were inspiring, thorough, inventive, - and now came up with a creative idea to use the prize, - Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!..Modernist (talk) 17:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you everyone, I really appreciate it. PumpkinSky talk 17:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

• Way to go! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I love our shared star! Thanks for all you put into it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I love it too! Thank YOU! PumpkinSky talk 22:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Reiner Stach

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Image

Could you please protect File:Giants Grave. - geograph.org.uk - 243538.jpg for DYK? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

It's got trickle down protection from that special category.PumpkinSky talk 20:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• ? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:57, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

typo PumpkinSky talk 22:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Ah, it's not broken anymore? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Not today at least ;-) Still don't trust it. PumpkinSky talk 23:01, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• You're still not the only one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Some more:

1. File:Darwinius masillae PMO 214.214.jpg
2. File:Common rocket frog with tadpoles crop.JPG
3. File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-1990-1004-021, Berlin, Bundestagssitzung im Reichstag, Helmut Kohl crop.jpg

Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Yikes. One had trickle down protection, two didn't. Glad we don't trust the bot ;- ) PumpkinSky talk 17:29, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Today's featured article

Are you allowed to have more than 1 article for the main page at a time, because I have seen you have.

If you mean DYKs, yes, several users have had more than one at a time. PumpkinSky talk 17:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Well yes and no. That's not what I meant, but thanks for telling me. No, I mean featured article.--Lucky102 (talk) 19:48, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Then I don't get it. There is only one FA on the MP at a time, so how could anyone have more than one at same time (same day)? Please elaborate. PumpkinSky talk 20:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I do not mean the same day. I mean, it's like the DYK. You had more than 1 nomination for the main page at a time. Also, I made a mistake at TFA/R, and I'm a bit worried.--Lucky102 (talk) 20:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh yea, nom all you want at TFAR, though some like to impose the 5/10 limit. What mistake? PumpkinSky talk 20:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Can you, so you are allowed to have 2? 5/10 limit, do you mean the maximum amount allowed. I accidently removed Hanged Down and Quarted and replaced it with my own.--Lucky102 (talk) 20:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I've had 4 up at TFAR at one time, maybe 5. I'll go fix it, I'm sure it was accidental.PumpkinSky talk 20:38, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Imzadi already rv'd you. Go put yours into slot 1, 4, or 5. PumpkinSky talk 20:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

K, thanks!--Lucky102 (talk) 20:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Just clarifying, you can have as many TFA/R's as you like?--Lucky102 (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

(watching) your question is a bit unclear. (TFA/R's? TFARs?) You are probable able to read rules on top of the nominations page and the discussion on its talk? The rules are questioned. There is at present a limit of 10 nominations for dates and five for no specific date. Up to that limit, you (personally) can nominate as many as seems good to you. I (personally) think the 10/5 limit is not a good idea, but didn't fight it (yet) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I mean TFA/R. Thanks! Also go to my talk page, Gerda, you were mentioned.--Lucky102 (talk) 21:08, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Coming from there, giggling a bit. (Why TFA/R not simply WP:TFAR as the shortcut?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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Tony hasn't done the QPQ yet. --George Ho (talk) 23:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Will fix. Tks. PumpkinSky talk 23:23, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Now there is the QPQ, finally. --George Ho (talk) 02:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK hook prep sets should have only six hooks

PumpkinSky, you've just put seven hooks into Prep 4, and there should only be six in prep sets currently; in fact, there's discussion to decrease the number of hooks or frequency of sets at the moment. This is the second day in a row you've included seven instead of six in the final set, so I wanted to be sure you were aware of the proper number going forward: it's awkward to have to demote a promoted hook because there's no open slot to move it to. Thanks for keeping this in mind going forward. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Disagree, that's too small and messes up the layout, to which I posted a bit ago.PumpkinSky talk 16:15, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

We formally switched to six a while ago, so I reduced this to six per that change. If we need to go back up for layout purposes, then something's going to break unless another adjustment is made, since we're not getting hooks approved fast enough (or even new ones at that rate). I'm posting to that effect on the talk page, if the Wikimedia servers ever let the edit go through. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:49, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help regarding "Pezband"!

Hi! I appreciate your assistance in helping us to properly license and attribute the photo "Pezband Live.jpg" to the Wikipedia page for Pezband. I'd not done this in the past, so your assistance is greatly appreciated by all. Best, Chuck Stack, aka CStack3

No problem. I just cleaned up the old tags and such for you on the image.PumpkinSky talk 21:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Dear PumpkinSky, thank you very much for helping me and the band Pezband to update their Wikipedia page! Your assistance in helping us negotiate the photo license process was invaluable, and we are very pleased with how the page turned out. Very best, Chuck Stack (CStack3) and Pezband! CStack3 06:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you and no problem.PumpkinSky talk 10:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Help needed with nominations

Would you be up for reviewing any of the following nominations?

• Template:Did you know nominations/Flat Bastion Magazine
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Your assistance would be much appreciated. Prioryman (talk) 07:53, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

• • PumpkinSky, you might check into the background of this issue, if you aren't aware of it already. Cla68 (talk) 13:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
    • I'm not touching it. Feels like canvassing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:39, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
      • The look Gibraltar related. I know a little about that but not the whole story. Also, these noms aren't that old so that also makes me wary. I have to go with Crisco on this one, sorry.PumpkinSky talk 19:08, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Kafka promotion

I have only just noticed this (obsessed with my own small preoccupations). Double honour - first CORE, now FA. Warm congrats to you and your conom for a first-class addition to the encyclopedia. Brianboulton (talk) 23:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Why thank you, and thank YOU for a superb PR review and copyedit. PumpkinSky talk 23:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed, way to go! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Beautiful job you, Gerda, and other editors did on Kafka article. I did a bit of insignificant work in its earlier incarnation; its come a very, long way since then.(olive (talk) 23:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC))

Thank you.PumpkinSky talk 00:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Congrats on the FA! Well done, Sir! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:30, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.PumpkinSky talk 00:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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MathewTownsend

Given that you know more than anyone just why resurrecting the CCI issues of 2010 hits such a raw nerve even two years later—and since you of all people can't be accused of being part of some imagined Raulist-cabal at FAC—would you be willing to try to talk MathewTownsend down from the Reichstag he's spent the last two days climbing? Those involved, for reasons immediately obvious to anyone who was there, don't want to restart this particular war; however, he's repeatedly grabbing the wrong end of the stick and assuming this reticence relates to some kind of elaborate conspiracy. He's throwing increasingly rabid allegations around in a lot of high-profile venues, and seems to be taking every attempt to explain the situation as a pretext to launch a fresh wave of attacks on anyone nearby. (I believe he's the first person I've ever expressly told to get off my talkpage, and even the ultra-meek Moonriddengirl has reached the point of telling him to go away.) He seems to be a good-faith editor who's just too proud to back down; if you think he'd listen to you, could you try to explain that sometimes, when things happen on Wikipedia without explanation or public discussion, there's a good reason for it? – iridescent 21:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I can try to help, though I have not interacted with him much, but I don't want to go in with only bits of the story. About all I know is there's some dramafest over at WP:TFAR. Is this what you're talking about? You mention many venues. What are they? Can you give me more info, diffs, thread links, etc? PumpkinSky talk 22:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• I think he should be told that it's better to follow a "its better safe than sorry" principle with ILT. We don't want another drama fest like... well, October 2010 (sorry, Psky).  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• I've thought highly of MT, though he's a bit quirky, but then we all are. I hope you can do it. He's one of the ones I look to carry the weight after we throw from failing hands the torch and all that, in other words, the next generation of writers.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

It stems from this thread at TFAR; as you may recall, this article passed FAC in a purely plagiarised version but for long, tedious post-Sherwood reasons never went through a formal FAR so is still technically an FA (Truthkeeper has written a potted history of the issues around it here). Truthkeeper removed it from the requests queue, on the grounds that there's no possiblity it would pass and keeping it live was just reanimating a particularly unpleasant dispute; Mathew appears to have taken this as some kind of elaborate conspiracy (the purpose of which isn't clear, unless it's some kind of anti-Beatrix Potter cabal), and is posting increasingly wild accusations laced with abuse—initially on Mark Arsten's talk (Mark is a wholly innocent party in this), then on my talkpage, and after being warned off my talk has gone back to Mark, to the TFAR talkpage (I'm not sure he realises that MRG, who he's accusing of being part of the conspiracy, is a WMF staffer who is clearly losing patience with him), and on his own talk (everything from here down; permalink so may not be up to date), a fishing expedition to WP:Editor Retention, another thread at MRG's talk, and finally to Rschen7754. Given that he's now stepping on a lot of toes—and I can see a lot of people who are normally very patient beginning to get extremely irritated with him—I'm hoping you (or someone else watching your talk) can talk him down. For obvious reasons, nobody is realistically going to believe that you're part of a conspiracy with Truthkeeper, Nikkimaria and Moonriddengirl, and you have both the authority of "former arb who knows how and why things sometimes happen in the background"*, and the experience to explain why the "preserve all history" and "delete all copyvios from the history" are mutually incompatiable. – iridescent 22:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

*I know I am as well, but I really have no desire to engage with him any further. If the 'real' arbs get involved—and I can safely assume they're aware—there's only one way this will go, and it would be a shame for that to happen. – iridescent 22:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

(post-ec add) Wehwalt, you'd probably be a good choice to explain this as well; there are legal issues here (explained on my talk), and you also can't be accused of part of this particular conspiracy. – iridescent 22:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

From a quick glance, all I can say is what a mess. My memory is jogged--he did the GA review for Noel F. Parrish in the closing days of last year and I got along fine with him then. Now allow me to wade through this so I can see what's going on.PumpkinSky talk 22:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah… And they wonder why they have a shortage of volunteers to spend three hours a day seven days a week for two years dealing with nonsense like this. – iridescent 23:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not about to say I've got every nuance of this now, but I do feel I have enough info now to comment. I did not know of the Moppet article issues from before--much of that was after I left. Writing something up now. As bad as this is, I can tell it could get much worse.PumpkinSky talk 23:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Posted on his talk: User_talk:MathewTownsend#The_Moppet_issue PumpkinSky talk 00:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for trying to explain. I can't pretend that I know what you're talking about and all the initials and worries about "privacy concerns" confuse me as do the long explanations elsewhere. I notice that it was discussed in 2010 to take the article to FAR and I can only wonder why nothing was done then and why nothing is being done now. If only I could explain to you how confusing wikipedia is. Old users may think they are explaining their positions, but their obscure terminology fails to convey what on earth is going on regarding that article and others. I'm sorry that Truthkeep88 fails to extend to me the good faith that is supposed to be given. Her long explanations, filled with personal history, only create more confusion for me. Best for me just to stay out of anything that has to do with TFA, FA, and probably any GA review that is likely to go to FA, as many of the articles I've reviewed in the past have become FAs. Thanks again. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 16:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Wiki can indeed be confusing. I hope I was of some help. One piece of advice is that if you find an area of wiki stressful, try to stay away from it. PumpkinSky talk 16:07, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'll follow your advice. As I said above I'll avoid all articles that may be nominated for FA or GA. I'll avoid FAC and GA reviews in the future. I'll avoid having an opinion on any opinion board, even if I'm asked. I'll avoid all policy, guidleline and essay talk pages. Any place I'm personally attacked I won't respond and will avoid that page forevermore. I won't ever ask any questions again. Thanks for your advice. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Anne Hutchinson

I think you should amend your statement there that {sfn} is the way to go in your view. All that's required is consistency, but who knows what the way to go is off this sinking ship. And while I'm here, and in a really smoking bad mood, I wish you'd have a look, carefully, as I've suggested a number of times at the Kafka page and cites that don't match the text. It's a very big problem and will come back to bite you. Consider this a friendly warning. Oh, btw, thanks so much for getting Mathew off my back. Could have dealt with that myself, though. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Amended that statement. As for Kafka, yes, you said that but you're not being specific and I'm not seeing exactly what the issue is as in "this ref XYZ doesn't match this statement ABC", so if you would be specific that would help. You also said you'd help find refs, which I was pleased to see you willing to help, and so stated at the time. Did you find any? I've also added dozens of Stach refs and found better ones for other things. Did you notice that? Gerda and I are still working on it even though the FAC is over.PumpkinSky talk 02:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for amending the statement. Re Kafka, I am being specific, and am very displeased the comments didn't make their way to the FAC page where I should have posted them, but quite frankly was afraid (and people are worried about incivility, but not worried about editors who edit in fear!). So specifics: they've been mentioned multiple times. Some examples off the top of my head (because I no longer have the page on watch) - the material in regards to erzahlung cited to Pawel I can't find in Pawel; the material cited to local Auroura newspaper about the local theater company is not by any stretch of the imagination a scholarly source and furthermore doesn't mention middle-German; the source from the community college appears to be class notes by a prof; not published material, not a scholarly source. I suggested getting a Cambridge Companion and see that the one used and linked appears to be readable as ScribD or whatever that is: I strongly suggest reading it. I do have sources, have had them for some weeks. Gerda told me to add; I'd prefer to send them on. Even better would be for you to do a good source search and request what you want so that I don't have to spend my time (better spent creating my own content) searching for sources. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

So you took the Kafka article off your watchlist but are now here bringing up issues? See Talk:Franz_Kafka#Points_to_clarify where you posted your issues and to which Gerda and I responded to in the thread but you failed to respond in that thread to our responses; towit as an example-re the erzahlung point, Gerda responded and asked you a question but you never answered it in that thread nor did you respond to our other comments there. To most users that would indicate you are okay with the status, but now you're over here complaining about it. On the Aurora thing, yea I missed that and just swapped it out with a Corngold book - who is certainly a German scholar of note. I'm sure Gerda will look into the erzahlung issue. You suggested I get Stach and I did and added dozen of refs from it. In fact, I'm still going through Stach as I do have a real life. I simply can't spend all day reading about Kafka even though I'd like to. You have sources but want us to add them for you? Or us to find out what you know on our own when you already know the material and its sources? That sounds highly inefficient and reinventing the wheel to me. Now please take this to its proper venue, Talk:Franz Kafka. PumpkinSky talk 15:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hi PumpkinSky, please remove it from prep 2. It is created specially for Halloween. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, sorry i missed that. I see someone already took care of this.PumpkinSky talk 11:01, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Warning: I plan to have a Bach cantata on 31 October, expand BWV 79 for Reformation day, and - as in 2010 - am not afraid to have it between the Halloween ones, remember? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem. PumpkinSky talk 22:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Firefox dark yellow background

Couldn't help but notice the excellent background of the firefox your dog was using.How do you get that? Also, how do you get the old wiki globe back?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:34, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

For the globe, try monobook skin. What dog photo are you talking about? PumpkinSky talk 22:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

[1]. I use monobook but it uses the new wiki logo which is not good..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:19, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

That was a skin called "wood" I think. I don't know about the globe. PumpkinSky talk 22:14, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

File:Alben Barkley at desk cropped.jpg

Could you protect this on Commons? Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Done deal. PumpkinSky talk 02:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Withdrawal

I'm sad to see your withdrawal so soon but I certainly understand why. I was beginning to draft my support in a text file. I hope to see community attitude change in 6 months or so. Ryan Vesey 23:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it was a mistake to attempt to get advanced tools again after how it ended - its not about community attitude and the reasons for the lack of support/opposition will remain for the long term - you are doing good work and editing under a known account - be happy with that - regards - Youreallycan 23:44, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

We all have our opinions, but I'd add that neither you nor anyone else speaks for the community nor for the many editors who support this candidate. Further there are multiple misconceptions and several inaccurate points made in this RfA, and frankly enough red herrings that we could scoop them out of the water with out a net and using just our hands.(olive (talk) 23:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC))

• is there an official withdrawal? I don't see that.(olive (talk) 00:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC))Thanks Ryan.(olive (talk) 00:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC))

• PumpkinSky left a note at WP:BN, on the talk page, and on the RfA itself. Ryan Vesey 00:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Sad to see how it went, but I expect that in another 6 months or so you'd pass fairly easily. Most of the !votes were "not now", not "not ever". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
• I really meant it when I said that I was sorry about opposing you. I know that what I'm saying now is just words, but I sincerely hope that you do not feel too badly about the way things happened. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• Personally as an objector abeit a bit involved I did the decent thing and stayed away as I suspect others did - this is not a come back in six months message, its more of a , are you serious? Youreallycan 00:06, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, there is no doubt that I am forever the Ungeziefer mit dem Scarlett-Buchstaben PumpkinSky talk 00:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• Nope! Don't buy it. :O)(olive (talk) 00:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC))
• It's all so easy to throw stones at those at the top - even easier to kick a person when they are down. While I could understand a couple of the opposes, what frightens me most is how the false sock meme got tossed about so freely. Sadder still that someone would go to such lengths to propagate such falsehoods. (I believe at one point they even had more edits to the page than you did). I know we can't go into details due to the need to respect another editor's wishes and privacy, but I am truly sorry you had to suffer outright lies and falsehoods. I think the way you've dealt with such adversity throughout the last year and a half is admirable, and your ability to remain calm in the face of such storms commendable. I know this has been difficult for you, but I truly admire how you've dealt with it. I look forward to working with you in the future, and hopefully supporting another RfA if you can find it tolerable. All my best sir - with the utmost respect. — Ched :  ?  00:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• I hope that wasn't too unpleasant; I hope you'll focus on the kind things that were said. - Dank (push to talk) 01:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• It's unfortunate that I was too busy in real life to support your RFA in time. I know its more a discussion and not a vote, but you did have 59 for, 32 against, with 7 neutral. So you had nearly twice as many people supporting you as you did opposing. Not an overwhelming consensus for sure, but I'm surprised that you withdrew. How sad that the community doesn't forget grudges so easily. Perhaps if you kept up the good work and tried again later it would go through. (Btw, thanks for the mention, and my review of Minecraft's GA nom was much more organized than the one for yogo sapphire.) • Jesse V.^(talk) 01:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• It is a shame that many people on the site are very anti-second chance. If someone screws up big time, then it's game over for them. (I don't buy the "6 month" opposers and their bs, they have their minds made up.) You've been a great editor and it's great to see you helping at CCI now, and that's what matters. Wizardman 02:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• Closed before I could chime in...I've not had the tools in 6 years and find I rarely need them...there's usually somebody about that can help you if you ask. take care and don't let this beat you up.--MONGO 03:06, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• Shot you an email at an old address, so I don't know if it is still valid... but in case it isn't, wanted to let you know that I considered creating a new account just to !vote for you. If your email is valid, you know who this is, if not... oh well.108.92.199.90 (talk) 04:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure that would have violated the letter, if not just the spirit, of WP policy... • Jesse V.^(talk) 04:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

No it wouldn't have. I would have identified who I used to be and the 'crats would have been able to take my !vote into consideration for what it was worth... a retired user who believes in PS enough that I momentarily came out of retirement to support. It would have all be above board and up to the 'crats to evaluate the support (and I would have let one or two of them know it was really who it claimed to be.) It's been done before and it'll be done again.38.100.76.228 (talk) 15:13, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• I accept the reason why you decided to withdraw. I hope you try again in a few months to a year or so from now - a fair number of the people in opposition appeared to be willing to support you at a later date. I definitely think that you will make a good admin again. :) Best. Acalamari 08:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• Sorry it went this way. I've been busy, and I didn't have time to weigh in at your RFA. Please don't let this discourage you from Wikipedia. RFA sucks. You still have a lot of good to offer to Wikipedia. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• I never even knew you were running. I would have supported. North8000 (talk) 10:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• What I had wanted to add: I miss BarkingMoon, a promising editor, who was not trusted by "The Community" and left. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• Sorry it didn't work out. I'd try again in 6 or 9 months, but it isn't a negative reflection on you or all of your good work. I still remember that User #1 has never been an admin and is still editing happily. MBisanz ^talk 15:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• Sorry it didn't work out, and I hope a bit more time will soften some of the opposes. (I have to say I find the occasional "never forgive" attitude despicable, though thankfully there were only a few.) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:38, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
  • It's one thing to "forgive" someone for crashing a borrowed car, but something quite different to let them borrow another car. I'm happy to forgive PS for his past indiscretions, he seems to be a decent contributor now... but no way would I trust him with the mop again -- especially after he declined to answer so many uncomfortable but important optional questions at this most recent RFA. "Forgiveness" isn't the issue here; you want everyone to "forgive and forget," which doesn't seem wise here. I'm entirely OK with you thinking I'm despicable for that. Townlake (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
    • That's not what I said. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support Psky: I'd try again in 6 months just to see who will put up or shut up about their "in 6 months" comments. As for the two people here who are saying "not now, not ever," I will presume you two insert uncivil adjective here never made a single mistake in your life. Really. Please do keep throwing the first stone. Montanabw^(talk) 23:06, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, see, here we go again. This simply isn't an "everyone makes mistakes" issue, for reasons amply discussed above. (Side note: It doesn't make sense to place an uncivil adjective at that point in your sentence; an uncivil plural noun would be a better bet.) Townlake (talk) 01:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

How about an uncivil adjective AND an uncivil plural noun? Montanabw^(talk) 22:47, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually it is, an everybody-makes-mistakes issue. You can build a huge issue around a mistake until a narrative has been constructed so convincingly that many who don't know or perhaps don't want to know the real story, believe it. It happens all the time on Wikipedia. Truth can be so boring compared to a good lynching, after all. Fairy tales are good for an entertaining read but mature people don't live by them, do they, and they shouldn't be perpetuated as truth. I just hope Pumpkin Sky will overlook the false narrative perpetuated at a recent RfA and continue on with the real story of who he is as an editor. (olive (talk) 03:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC))

PS was asked a series of optional questions that would have allowed him to set the record straight about his past; he chose to close his RFA rather than answer those questions. There is no "false narrative." (PS's four nominators surely did him no favors, spinning his past into such an unbelievable story of uncheckered heroism that they begged users vaguely familiar with Rlevse to dig back into his history.) Townlake (talk) 05:30, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Can we all please let the matter drop for awhile at least and do something else? Townlake, this obviously ended the way you wanted it to, and you don't need to keep hammering on PS. He's made it clear that he's had enough and you're beating a dead horse. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 06:03, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

If you review the above, you'll see that all I've been doing is responding to people who have decided it is worthwhile to throw rocks at the opposers. You can't make me feel bad about answering the criticism. And I still want to know more about this "false narrative" that so many PS supporters insist exists. Townlake (talk) 02:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I was first intrigued to come here and answer directly the notion of "doing something else". I am always interested in inviting people to help me on some different kinds of editing, mainly involving WP:RECP. Then I gain the additional context, and feel drawn to add my impressions. Townlake, I remember a time when you and I had strong differences, and nearly mutual disregard for kindness or compromise. I would have said "I was clear that we were from opposite camps". Except that one day I realized I had been wrong about you; completely! I also respect PumpkinSky and mostly support his arguments where I have seen them. I don't even know the dialog that happened above, but I do feel that two decent people are misunderstanding each other. Keilana seems to have good advice, so I join in asking the same thing; in hope. Sincerely - 76Strat ^String da _Broke da (talk) 06:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Townlake, do you really need to keep pushing the issue? PS isn't editing. You're still going after him. Please, kindly, leave him alone and go do something productive. God forbid, write an article. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 03:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

What part of "all I've been doing is responding to people" do you not understand? If you don't want me to keep responding to you, stop throwing rocks. Townlake (talk) 04:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

And thus the "glass house" becomes the "elephant in the room". — ChedZILLA 07:18, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

• 'all I've been doing is responding to people'? This implies that you insist on having the last word, a battleground mentality and not a constructive one given the context. I'd suggest backing down — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Look, I know full well that bickering on a talk page here isn't going to solve any world problems. But since we all know PS is going to put up another RFA at some point, and because so many folks are already here supporting it and attacking the opposition, I see a place for my voice here. There is no "winning" or "losing" on this talk page, but it's silly to claim I should be silent just because I disagree with people attacking PS's opposition. I certainly agree with you that the sooner this talk page thread dies, the better. Townlake (talk) 12:31, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

• You can disagree, no one is stopping you. But one should hope you do it while assuming good faith and speaking civilly. Nobody should attack the other side: their reasonings, sure, but not the people. As for the "opposition" making a showing here, it's probably causing more drama than actually contributing constructively. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I found some of the "optional questions" to be be badly written, hostile and somewhat manipulative. Some had attacks / assertions hidden in the them as implied premises. Another had a false implied premise that a certain OK behavior (whether or not it occurred) was wrong. North8000 (talk) 12:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

br'erly treats

at this point I thought no questions should be left open and started a thread "questions?", answers that lead to more questions, - with leftover treats for everyone in need ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

As that thread was deleted, my key facts here:

• Rlevse (talk · contribs) I got to know him as a pillar on DYK. When the discussion about Grace Sherwood made him leave, I was shocked.

• BarkingMoon (talk · contribs) I met him on DYK, we worked on articles together. When he left, I screamed and was close to leaving myself. "The Community" believed that he was Rlevse. I don't. I believe that Rlevse showed him around, but he was a different person whom Wikipedia lost, a sad loss. (see his user and talk, and my talk archive)

"... we'll never know the true story"

• PumpkinSky (talk · contribs) I met him on DYK. When he was blocked after half a year for being the same as Rlevse (had been long before), I joined the efforts to "free" him, successful after two months. We have created articles together which I enjoy. I trust him.

... My trust is based on long-term collaboration, - for BarkingMoon unfortunately short-term, but enough to create trust. (Repeating: a different person. Trust me: I can tell a boy from a man.) Please see also treatment of editors as human beings and Contributor copyright investigations/PumpkinSky. I am happy in my trust. - End of quote.

After all that, Townlake still points at similarities between Rlevse and BarkingMoon, - as if people would not see those similarities themselves or be surprised by similarities between teacher and student. There's an interesting table comparing abbreviations between the two and me, I felt very honoured to be included in the company ;) - I imitate what I see and like. Every time I approve a DYK nomination, I use BarkingMoon's "appr", thinking of him, 115 times so far in 2012 ;) He also deserves the Black barnstar. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Townlake, we get it; you hate Psky's guts and will do anything to support your campaign that he is somehow the manifestation of all evil in the universe. The rest of us simply disagree. So drop the stick. Montanabw^(talk) 17:03, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I complimented Pumpkin's editorial contributions to the community at his recent RFA above in this thread. No, I don't "hate Psky's guts;" I have no personal animosity toward him whatsoever, and you have no evidence to support your irresponsible claim to the contrary. Townlake (talk) 02:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

@North8000. A bit understated, but I agree. I'm amazed that none of the crats or arbs removed some of the "have you stopped beating your mother" type of questions as a PA. I was very tempted to - but I'm sure cries of "INVOLVED" would have erupted. I hope we haven't lost another top notch editor - but I can't be shocked given the way things have been going lately. — ChedZILLA 20:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

We can at least agree that Pumpkin is a valued contributor. I hope he hasn't left the project for good simply because he didn't get the tools back. And with that statement, I'm leaving this talk page behind for now. Townlake (talk) 02:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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		PumpkinSky, I want to thank you for all that you've done for the community so far. Your work with yogo sapphire was amazing, and I most recently I'd like to thank you for your help with my FA nomination of Folding@home. I am elated at its success and I'm very grateful for your help! :D All the best, • Jesse V.(talk) 14:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

On a related note, if you could please give your opinion on the Folding@home nomination in Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests, I'd sure appreciate it. :) • Jesse V.^(talk) 23:39, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, it was abruptly scheduled for November 1st. Anyway, I'm happy with that. :) • Jesse V.^(talk) 00:38, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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Email received. In short response: I am merely one Wikipedian. You were and are responsible for your own choices.

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Re. RfA

Sorry it didn't work out. Hopefully next time you'll regain the bit. SPI and DYK have both missed you quite a bit. Kurtis (talk) 04:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)