User talk:IRISZOOM

East Jerusalem in 1948

Hello,

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In fact in 1948 and until 1967, Jerusalem was considered to be in the corpus separatum defined by the Partition Plan. The inclusion of East-Jerusalem in the West Bank in speeches is more recent and even today is not fully admitted, some governments still defending the legitimacy of the '47 vote. Pluto2012 (talk) 20:11, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi. East Jerusalem became a part of what came to be known as the West Bank. It is not different from Nablus or Hebron. So separating them is not correct. Bethlehem was also a part of the corpus separatum and no one is saying Jordan occupied the West Bank, Bethlehem and East Jerusalem.

However, it could be an alternative to write that Jerusalem was divided in two parts: West Jerusalem and East Jerusalem.

See also Jordanian occupation of the West Bank. --IRISZOOM (talk) 20:34, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

It is true for Bethlehem but all this is due to the lack of precision on the final status of Jerusalem.

Seeking in sources how they introduce the topic, both versions can be found : some include East-Jerusalem in the West Bank and others don't.

I don't think it is a major issue but you should not rename so many articles before getting a consensus on the question.

Pluto2012 (talk) 06:56, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

It's a consensus that all part of that territory is the West Bank, which is reflected in many articles where it says "including East Jerusalem" etc. The article I linked to (Jordanian occupation of the West Bank) was changed from naming both to just the West Bank, which is correct. Therefore, I can't see any issues because it's based on fact. --IRISZOOM (talk) 10:56, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

NPov learns us that a fact for someone is not one for someone else...

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The status of Jerusalem (East and West) is not defined today and it was even less in 1949...

Pluto2012 (talk) 18:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Not everyone agrees but this is how it is defined by most. If you look at the article I linked to, you will se a big difference and that most see East Jerusalem as a part of the West Bank. Look at West Bank and see how it is described. If you don't think it's a part of it, then go make your case in for example that talk page and we will se what others say. --IRISZOOM (talk) 18:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Use the article talk page, and stop edit-warring

You have repeatedly tried to change the characterization of East Jerusalem in the BLP for Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. I have reverted you. Instead of discussing, you began an edit-warring to keep in your change, for which there was no consensus. If you make a change which is reverted, you are supposed to initiate a discussion, either on the article talk page, or the talk page of the user with whom you are having a dispute. You have done neither. A quick look at your user talk page indicates that you are pushing the same PoV on other pages, and have encountered pushback. Start discussing the issue and come up with a policy-compliant consensus, or you will find yourself dragged to the Administrators' Noticeboard for a discussion on your behavior. Horologium (talk) 23:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I changed the article to reflect the consensus view. It's you who have challenged that and started an edit war. As I've pointed out several times, this is the consensus.

I have now written here. --IRISZOOM (talk) 23:25, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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