Talk:Murder of Jo Cox

Requested move 17 June 2016

Murder of Jo Cox → Death of Jo Cox – Murder is pronounced by a court of law; we will move to the relevant title after verdict if needed. Mootros (talk) 08:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

• That makes sense. "Killing" might be possible though, without implying anything about mens rea. --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 08:04, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

• Indeed, given that UK sub judice rules apply from arrest (i.e. already), any UK editor should be wary of adding any statement to the effect that she was definitively murdered, if that could prejudice a jury's decision over whether a defendant had the necessary mens rea or not. (However, I still think "killing" is safe to use. I don't exactly imagine we are going to see a trial decided on the issue of whether she died of natural causes...) --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 08:16, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

• Comment I'm not sure this is necessary. No allegation is made that any specific person was responsible. AusLondonder (talk) 08:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

• I suggest we keep the article name in line with another noted death of a politician Assassination of Olof Palme (there is also Assassination of Abraham Lincoln) and move this to "Assassination of Jo Cox". To my ears that sounds more encyclopedic and less like a headline in The Sun. I noticed that Anna Lindh's death, also similar to this, is called "Murder" in the article about her, but in that case the perpetrator has been caught and found guilty. w.carter-Talk 08:35, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

• Support Given that the perpetrator has been widely reported as having serious mental issues, it is far from clear that this was a murder, and so calling this a murder is plainly a POV.MrStoofer (talk) 09:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support move to Assassination In keeping with Assassination of Spencer Perceval and the many related articles and categories AusLondonder (talk) 09:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought the correct term for anyone killed while holding political office (usually by someone with political motive) was 'assassination'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.80.111 (talk) 09:50, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

• Comment Assassination requires also a deliberation to establish that the death was not accidental and that the killing was wilful. Mootros (talk) 09:59, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

"Britain First"

The article says "Witnesses had reported that the suspect had screamed "Britain first" as he carried out the attack" and the reference is http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304, this seems inaccurate wording: the reference only say of one witness, not witnesses, and we don't know the identity of the witness so we should add "reportedly" because nobody else could check.--87.7.234.222 (talk) 07:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I changed this to the singular, but then found another source citing two witnesses, so I changed it back with a reference. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:34, 17 June 2016 (UTC)